"You can eat whaver you want, as long as you eat at a deficit" is true, but it's garbage advice.
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Because the examples I'd be quoting are bad examples, I wondered whether it would be fair. I wouldn't want someone quoting me on some other thread where I hadn't voluntarily posted and that I might not even know existed, especially if it was for the purpose of holding me up as a bad example. It also might be considered mocking the poster, which I know is mentioned in the community guidelines.4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »Just to help with your question on quoting from other thread:
That in and of itself is not necessarily a violation. We do have a guideline saying not to attack and stalk other posters, so where people run into trouble is they argue with someone in one discussion, then start bringing it up to pick a fight with them in another. It can be a problem if you cant talk without someone hassling you, and can be a problem in the new thread because others dont know the context and whole story when they get thrown in halfway through the arguement, so adds alot of confusion.
But if you think of a good example that applies to this discussion feel free to paraphrase it. Talking about advice you have seen given here makes since as the whole thread is about giving good advice.
The examples I was thinking of aren't cases where I can confirm that people were telling the truth. I'm not looking at people's diaries and don't know if someone really was eating what they claimed to eat, but I don't think it really matters because the people reading those comments don't know either. When we hear "I ate ___ every day and still lost weight" all we know is what they told us. But to summarize a few, one person claimed, in some kind of Supersize Me way, to eat nothing but fast food and sodas and still lose weight. I read someone saying they eat several pastries each day and little in the way of fruit or vegetables and still lost weight. Someone else banked calories every week for a big splurge on booze and ice cream. Someone else said they ate Pop Tarts and supplements. It wasn't clear whether this was all they were eating, but I could be taken that way. It could also have been a joke, but no way to tell. Some of these people were called out, and some not. I didn't catalog all these, so I don't have links. Just going from my memory of reading them.
Ok now I'm really perplexed. Is this really all about you not believing what people are eating? I thought you said you were confused, people were giving incomplete and unhelpful advice, and new posters like yourself don't know what to do. Now this comes down to people say they eat certain foods and lose weight and you don't actually believe that's possible? That was the whole point of this entire thread. People say "eat whatever you want in a calorie deficit and you will lose weight" and THAT IS TRUE! OP seemed to believe this advice wasn't sufficient because it ignores satiety and nutrition.
Are there people who eat fast food every day and still lose weight? Yep! Are there people who eat pastries and not many fruits and vegetables and still lose weight? Yep! Are there people who live on nothing but supplements and whey protein shakes? Yep (most of them aren't trying to lose). Are there people who eat exclusively meat, (literally nothing else) and believe that this is healthy for them? Yep! Are there people who eat a diet of many processed foods, mixed with Whole Foods, drink wine and bank calories for splurges on the weekend? You're talking to one right now.
There are literally millions of combinations of foods that people eat, and have success with their weight management, because it all comes down to calories. There are also millions of combinations of foods which provide (as I strive for and state quite frequently) nutrition, satiety, and enjoyment.
If someone says they eat a certain way, and you check their open diary and it also is consistent, are you actually thinking people lie about what they eat on here? Seriously if you are going to that extreme of nitpicking this community, I'm really not sure this is a good fit for you.
And what the kitten does any of that have with whether the advice is garbage or not?10 -
Sorry, the earlier post wasn't visible to me. I'm not sure I can even quote other people's posts here, as I mentioned a few posts up. 4legsRbetterthan2 said I could paraphrase, which I've tried to do.lemurcat12 wrote: »@dfwesq -- I'm still not sure what's confusing, but as @WinoGelato noted above, am waiting for an example of a confusing thread, as that may help.
I'm not able to respond as fully as I'd like, but I do appreciate your posts.
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You found me out. Also, my understanding is that whatever it is in tomatoes that is so healthy can only be absorbed if they are cooked. Not eaten raw. Can peaches instead or pears, or corn, or anything except tomatoes.lemurcat12 wrote: »southernoregongrape wrote: »This seems to have become the pizza thread. I never saw a pizza, let alone ate one until I was an adult. And it is still not one of my favorite foods since I don't like cooked tomatoes. The endless hours scalding, removing the skin, canning as a youth pretty much turned me off.
Heh, every year I think I am going to try to can my extra tomatoes. You are trying to talk me out of it, aren't you!
;-)
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I can tomatoes most summers. The worst part is peeling.lemurcat12 wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »southernoregongrape wrote: »This seems to have become the pizza thread. I never saw a pizza, let alone ate one until I was an adult. And it is still not one of my favorite foods since I don't like cooked tomatoes. The endless hours scalding, removing the skin, canning as a youth pretty much turned me off.
Heh, every year I think I am going to try to can my extra tomatoes. You are trying to talk me out of it, aren't you!
;-)
Did you know you can actually freeze tomatoes whole and pull them out as you need them? I prefer to can them, but if someone didn't want to go to the work of doing that, freezing is an excellent option.
Interesting, I did not know that.
I do want to learn to can, but if I'm again too lazy I will freeze.
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I can tomatoes most summers. The worst part is peeling.lemurcat12 wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »southernoregongrape wrote: »This seems to have become the pizza thread. I never saw a pizza, let alone ate one until I was an adult. And it is still not one of my favorite foods since I don't like cooked tomatoes. The endless hours scalding, removing the skin, canning as a youth pretty much turned me off.
Heh, every year I think I am going to try to can my extra tomatoes. You are trying to talk me out of it, aren't you!
;-)
Did you know you can actually freeze tomatoes whole and pull them out as you need them? I prefer to can them, but if someone didn't want to go to the work of doing that, freezing is an excellent option.
Interesting, I did not know that.
I do want to learn to can, but if I'm again too lazy I will freeze.
A few years ago I house-sat my parents place over summer for 3 weeks while they went away. My dad had the most over-producing garden I've ever seen, I was picking, and canning upwards of 5kg of tomatoes a DAY. It has put me off them entirely haha. I have texture and sensory issues and the peeling of them made me ill. So gross.4 -
Sorry, the earlier post wasn't visible to me. I'm not sure I can even quote other people's posts here, as I mentioned a few posts up. 4legsRbetterthan2 said I could paraphrase, which I've tried to do.lemurcat12 wrote: »@dfwesq -- I'm still not sure what's confusing, but as @WinoGelato noted above, am waiting for an example of a confusing thread, as that may help.
I'm not able to respond as fully as I'd like, but I do appreciate your posts.
You aren't willing to spend the time answering our questions more in depth but you demand that we all spend our time answering every possible question from every possible angle whether real or imagined? I still don't understand how you expect anyone to manage that.11 -
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I can tomatoes most summers. The worst part is peeling.lemurcat12 wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »southernoregongrape wrote: »This seems to have become the pizza thread. I never saw a pizza, let alone ate one until I was an adult. And it is still not one of my favorite foods since I don't like cooked tomatoes. The endless hours scalding, removing the skin, canning as a youth pretty much turned me off.
Heh, every year I think I am going to try to can my extra tomatoes. You are trying to talk me out of it, aren't you!
;-)
Did you know you can actually freeze tomatoes whole and pull them out as you need them? I prefer to can them, but if someone didn't want to go to the work of doing that, freezing is an excellent option.
Interesting, I did not know that.
I do want to learn to can, but if I'm again too lazy I will freeze.
A few years ago I house-sat my parents place over summer for 3 weeks while they went away. My dad had the most over-producing garden I've ever seen, I was picking, and canning upwards of 5kg of tomatoes a DAY. It has put me off them entirely haha. I have texture and sensory issues and the peeling of them made me ill. So gross.
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Because the examples I'd be quoting are bad examples, I wondered whether it would be fair. I wouldn't want someone quoting me on some other thread where I hadn't voluntarily posted and that I might not even know existed, especially if it was for the purpose of holding me up as a bad example. It also might be considered mocking the poster, which I know is mentioned in the community guidelines.4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »Just to help with your question on quoting from other thread:
That in and of itself is not necessarily a violation. We do have a guideline saying not to attack and stalk other posters, so where people run into trouble is they argue with someone in one discussion, then start bringing it up to pick a fight with them in another. It can be a problem if you cant talk without someone hassling you, and can be a problem in the new thread because others dont know the context and whole story when they get thrown in halfway through the arguement, so adds alot of confusion.
But if you think of a good example that applies to this discussion feel free to paraphrase it. Talking about advice you have seen given here makes since as the whole thread is about giving good advice.
The examples I was thinking of aren't cases where I can confirm that people were telling the truth. I'm not looking at people's diaries and don't know if someone really was eating what they claimed to eat, but I don't think it really matters because the people reading those comments don't know either. When we hear "I ate ___ every day and still lost weight" all we know is what they told us. But to summarize a few, one person claimed, in some kind of Supersize Me way, to eat nothing but fast food and sodas and still lose weight. I read someone saying they eat several pastries each day and little in the way of fruit or vegetables and still lost weight. Someone else banked calories every week for a big splurge on booze and ice cream. Someone else said they ate Pop Tarts and supplements. It wasn't clear whether this was all they were eating, but I could be taken that way. It could also have been a joke, but no way to tell. Some of these people were called out, and some not. I didn't catalog all these, so I don't have links. Just going from my memory of reading them.
But you CAN lose weight eating like that. I'll agree it may not be optimal, but it for sure is possible.
If a newbie posts "I've been so good this week but I caved and had ice cream today - did I ruin my week?!?" What's wrong with someone answering "Lol no of course not! Weight loss is just cico. I eat ice cream every day and I lost 50 lbs."
If a newbie posts "I hate veggies, can I still lose weight?" Considering you know a bunch of people will post suggestions on how to eat veggies, what's wrong with someone answering "I lost 30 lbs and I never eat vegetables, just make sure you take a multi." I mean you might not agree with it, but what's confusing about it?8 -
WinoGelato wrote: »prattiger65 wrote: »Me too WG, and with that I am out. #ragequit
Today is my 1495th day of consecutive logging on MFP and I've been telling my friends list that I'm considering an epic ragequit before I hit 1500 days. Maybe this will be the catalyst.
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I think you were responding to my post. To clarify, what I was saying was that it's a good idea to bear in mind the possibility. I don't think a hyper-cautious is needed either.VintageFeline wrote: »I'm sorry but the notion that we have to respond to every enquiry as if the person has an eating disorder but just hasn't disclosed it....
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Are people really this lacking in common sense and dumb?
You left out the poor reading comprehension part.7 -
I've been here 885 days and read the forums every day and post regularly. I'm not sure if I qualify as a veteran but I'm not a newbie here or at other forums. My policy has always been to post no more than twice in a thread and then walk away. It serves me pretty well. But I'm pretty irritated today and read 31 pages that I probably shouldn't have spent time on.
I don't care if someone eats just like me or follows a low carb, keto, paleo, or whatever radish only diet. I want people to succeed and be safe. Everyone here probably wants that or they wouldn't post advice.
I know from trying to lose weight for 15 years before using MFP and seeing friends, family members, weight loss message board members that eating in a way you can sustain is extremely important to long term weight loss and maintenance. Very often people who are extremely restrictive/extreme in their diet and exercise plan will burn out, fall off the wagon, yo yo diet, give up, and feel resentful.
My experience and observation is that many, many people do very well just eating closer to what they and the people around them typically eat. This can mean adapting to smaller portions of higher calorie foods, putting more vegetable on your plate, eating out less often, choosing thin crust pizza, eating a salad on the side, cooking with less oil, using a food scale, planning your day and making choices about what you want and what fits your goals best.
I eat food I like every day. I like a lot of different foods. I love to cook but eat out one meal a week.
My diary has been open since day 1. I have posted many times what I typically eat as have many other posters. I have saved my standard response to "what can I eat?" because I post it so much. I am happy to share what I eat so people know they can eat fairly normally.
I got fat eating too much for my activity level- 1 extra slice of pizza (not the whole thing), second helpings... just plain not being aware of the calories. I felt stupid when I started logging and losing weight. I figured out pretty quickly that eating more protein and vegetables would help me to feel satisfied but stay in my calorie goal. I don't want to be hungry so I eat foods that are filling to me.
I was never a binge eater or emotional eater. My advice for those people is generally to get help and work on developing different tools to deal with emotions instead of using food. I believe if you don't do that your pattern will repeat whenever some bad thing comes up.
The advice to eat whatever you want that fits your goals is decent. It is basic but is going to look different to different people so not knowing what you like you get a generic response. It is not garbage advice just because it is not detailed. If newbies are frustrated they should ask how they can do that and will definitely get a response with details.
Also new members- please read the sticky posts, use the search feature before asking questions, look at the other current threads in the forum. When you make a post include relevant details like height, weight, health conditions. So many questions have been answered before- some are asked multiple times every day. This is a good supportive community. We can be blunt sometimes but that doesn't mean people are not trying to help you figure things out. Don't call advice garbage just because you do not immediately understand.
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I can tomatoes most summers. The worst part is peeling.lemurcat12 wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »southernoregongrape wrote: »This seems to have become the pizza thread. I never saw a pizza, let alone ate one until I was an adult. And it is still not one of my favorite foods since I don't like cooked tomatoes. The endless hours scalding, removing the skin, canning as a youth pretty much turned me off.
Heh, every year I think I am going to try to can my extra tomatoes. You are trying to talk me out of it, aren't you!
;-)
Did you know you can actually freeze tomatoes whole and pull them out as you need them? I prefer to can them, but if someone didn't want to go to the work of doing that, freezing is an excellent option.
Interesting, I did not know that.
I do want to learn to can, but if I'm again too lazy I will freeze.
Really? It's dead easy. My dad used to be executive chef of a catering house, and their specialty at the time was manicotti. They'd make gallons and gallons of their own sauce from scratch nearly every day (the hall could seat over 700, so it was needed) and the first step was to peel a kittenload of plum tomatoes. Blanch them, chill them down, slit one end, and gently squeeze the other. The tomato pops right out of the skin.2 -
Your hands end up sticky and slimy. It hasn't turned me off of them, but I don't like the peeling part.
I can tomatoes most summers. The worst part is peeling.lemurcat12 wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »southernoregongrape wrote: »This seems to have become the pizza thread. I never saw a pizza, let alone ate one until I was an adult. And it is still not one of my favorite foods since I don't like cooked tomatoes. The endless hours scalding, removing the skin, canning as a youth pretty much turned me off.
Heh, every year I think I am going to try to can my extra tomatoes. You are trying to talk me out of it, aren't you!
;-)
Did you know you can actually freeze tomatoes whole and pull them out as you need them? I prefer to can them, but if someone didn't want to go to the work of doing that, freezing is an excellent option.
Interesting, I did not know that.
I do want to learn to can, but if I'm again too lazy I will freeze.
Really? It's dead easy. My dad used to be executive chef of a catering house, and their specialty at the time was manicotti. They'd make gallons and gallons of their own sauce from scratch nearly every day (the hall could seat over 700, so it was needed) and the first step was to peel a kittenload of plum tomatoes. Blanch them, chill them down, slit one end, and gently squeeze the other. The tomato pops right out of the skin.
You can freeze and thaw and the skin slips off too- but still sticky and slimy.
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Yep, it was the slimy part that turned me off.0
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What if it's true? What if I told you that I literally have some sort of fast food a day, plus other things like cookies and ice cream too? Along with things like sushi, baked chicken and steak?AntoinetteAngus wrote: »4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »BlueSkyShoal wrote: »Thumbs up on the Snorlax picture, I love Pokemon.
I do think that a lot of the cheerful talk about how "you can eat ANYTHING and lose weight!" needs a footnote: "You can eat anything, but if it's high in calories you can only have a tiny bit."
Now personally, if I order a pizza I don't want to eat just one slice, hold the breadsticks. Sure, cold pizza is a great snack the next morning, but there's something especially delightful about a piping hot pizza with the cheese still gooey (and breadsticks on the side.)
What I do is I have days where I eat over my "normal" calories without worrying about it, and then I eat under the normal calories the next day. (This works best if the pig-out meal was dinner, since you usually still feel pretty full the next morning.) I don't consider that to be "a cheat day". It's not cheating, it's just moving the calories around so I can get what satisfies me--tons of pizza.
To the bolded... don't you think that sort of caution is unnecessary (and maybe presumes ignorance) on a site where people are logging and tracking calories? A person who is entering the foods they eat in their diary would know that 2 pieces of Dominos chicken, spinach and roasted red pepper pizza (my latest go to on pizza night) is 560 calories and 4 pieces of Parmesan bites are 150 which leaves me 190 calories to keep this meal under 800 which is what I aim for for splurge dinners. So another piece of pizza, or a salad, or some dessert or a glass of wine.
Caveating every post with information that posters should already know or be able to figure out themselves, seems redundant and insulting to me. I feel the same way about you the disclaimer, , even though I and many others do explicitly state, "but nutrition is also important"when someone asks if calories are all that matter for weight loss. My 5 year old knows that nutrition is important. Do I really have to add that to every post for grown adults so that my comments are not misinterpreted by people like the OP?
YES...you should add this to every post. Anyone new to this forum would believe... based on the abundance of ridiculous comments that you can just eat whatever you want as long as it fits in your calorie goals. This is irresponsible and I've actually taken the liberty to look at people's diary's who advocate this and alot of them are actually eating healthy! So why advocate to others that you can eat whatever you want instead of promoting a healthy, balanced lifestyle with moderated indulgences. The fact that you have an issue with someone throwing nutrition in the mix is absolutely ridiculous. A reminder about nutrition is definitely needed on a forum such as this one.
Why would you assume "Eat whatever you want" means "Eat nothing but junk food"?
Again, for all the threads criticizing this advice, I have NEVER seen someone post that they actually did take this advice to mean "Go ahead and eat all junk food" and now are struggling or failing because they're full of Twinkies and Big Macs by noon and have no calories left. Yet I see time and time again people respond by saying, "You mean I can have a treat every once and awhile and still lose weight? Thank goodness!".
And again again, for every post that just says, "You can eat whatever you want" there are two that follow that say "You can eat whatever you want to lose weight, but obviously you want to eat enough nutritious food for your health". And then someone will chime in to make sure you get enough fiber and protein. And then someone will post that if you eat Keto you'll never get hungry and your skin will glow. And then another will say that cutting out processed food was the only way they could lose weight.
I seriously wonder if there is an alternate MFP universe with all of these threads where newbies are given no info but to stuff their pieholes with poptarts to lose weight and I am just too dense to find it.
WHATEVER implies whatever. People are not providing enough context to that statement and are not being responsible. I have posted several times on various forums and have been met with angry comments...well I eat pizza everyday, or I eat Macdonald's everyday nobody can tell me otherwise! I completely advocate treats from time to time...we're human and what would life be without them...but people tend not to display their true story. I would like to re-highlight the fact that I mentioned previously in this thread that I have taken the liberty of looking at peoples diaries that advocate that you can eat WHATEVER you want and they actually eat a fairly decent diet so why not clarify that I eat healthy most of the time but I indulge as well instead of implying I eat WHATEVER I want. This is all that I am saying...
Maybe because eating 'whatever' they want includes a wide variety of foods, including both 'good' and 'bad' (if you want to think of it that way) so by saying they eat whatever they want, they aren't misrepresenting anything. Obviously these people have open diaries, and everyone is welcome to do as you did and see for themselves what these self-proclaimed 'eat whatever you want!' people are, in fact, actually eating. And maybe they're just tired of qualifying every.single.statement they make here. My diary is open, and I eat whatever I want. Some days are better than others, but I log them all.
'Maybe because eating 'whatever' they want includes a wide variety of foods, including both 'good' and 'bad'
If this is the case then people should SAY THAT. This is my point...The word WHATEVER does not provide people with adequate information. It is misleading.
Oh sweet kittens! This thread is making my head hurt
There is a plethora, an absolute cornucopia, an OVERABUNDANCE, of information about what people here do, don't, sometimes, always, never, only on the full moon, eat. They're under no obligation to list it in every post.
They are obligated to speak truth and stop insinuating WHATEVER...it doesn't have to be a list...
The MFP guidelines are the only obligation posters have
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/welcome/guidelines
what is this truth you desire, my truth, your truth, his truth, her truth? This is no more clear than what the "whatever" people are saying
Oh sooooooo now we want to get so technical to the last detail that you want to indicate what the MFP guidelines are. Interesting..so why can people not be slightly more technical in their advice to people and say that yes I eat junk food, but if I examine the food I eat on a day to day...I generally eat good food to lose weight.
I am completely ok to correct myself and say that an 'obligation' was the wrong term that I used when saying that people are obligated to tell the truth. I SHOULD have said people should be more RESPONSIBLE in saying what they eat to lose weight. Saying that 'I eat WHATEVER I want' is actually misleading. If we want to get all technical...
I do ALL the cooking in my house. There are many times I don't feel like cooking so Panda Express, Taco Bell, etc are places I'll grab for dinner.
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Okay great. Then you do KNOW that any food we consume is CHEMICALLY BONDED at the molecular level........which means foods are basically chemicals. So tell me how do the preservatives get past the hydrochloric acid in your stomach (with the exception of nitrites/nitrates) and literally cause problems in individuals with no real health issues?AntoinetteAngus wrote: »
Lol, guess you didn't ace chemistry class. You do know they've used SALT (yes even "organic" sea salt) as a preservative for CENTURIES now?AntoinetteAngus wrote: »
Preservatives are chemicals to make your food last longer. This is not natural. Food should spoil when it spoils. You should not be injecting it with stuff to make it last longer.
You CAN eat whatever you want to lose weight. It's NOT the best approach, however the issue that arises from the diet and fitness industry is that anything not "clean" or "unprocessed" should be avoided at all costs. And that's just not the truth. Again, there are so many other industrialized countries that consume processed products and DON'T have an weight or obesity issue in their populations. In fact, I'll even say that once many of them migrate to the US, they GAIN weight within the first 5 years just due to OVEREATING.So glad you clarified the following because most people tend to leave it at 'you can eat WHATEVER you want'
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IDEA Fitness member
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Actually I listed a whole list of chemicals found in food following that post to back up my claim. There are natural preservatives as well, but there are a host of non-natural ones that you will find way more prevalent throughout your pantry. You just happened to miss my post.
And actually I got A's in all my science classes
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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WinoGelato wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »BlueSkyShoal wrote: »Thumbs up on the Snorlax picture, I love Pokemon.
I do think that a lot of the cheerful talk about how "you can eat ANYTHING and lose weight!" needs a footnote: "You can eat anything, but if it's high in calories you can only have a tiny bit."
Now personally, if I order a pizza I don't want to eat just one slice, hold the breadsticks. Sure, cold pizza is a great snack the next morning, but there's something especially delightful about a piping hot pizza with the cheese still gooey (and breadsticks on the side.)
What I do is I have days where I eat over my "normal" calories without worrying about it, and then I eat under the normal calories the next day. (This works best if the pig-out meal was dinner, since you usually still feel pretty full the next morning.) I don't consider that to be "a cheat day". It's not cheating, it's just moving the calories around so I can get what satisfies me--tons of pizza.
To the bolded... don't you think that sort of caution is unnecessary (and maybe presumes ignorance) on a site where people are logging and tracking calories? A person who is entering the foods they eat in their diary would know that 2 pieces of Dominos chicken, spinach and roasted red pepper pizza (my latest go to on pizza night) is 560 calories and 4 pieces of Parmesan bites are 150 which leaves me 190 calories to keep this meal under 800 which is what I aim for for splurge dinners. So another piece of pizza, or a salad, or some dessert or a glass of wine.
Caveating every post with information that posters should already know or be able to figure out themselves, seems redundant and insulting to me. I feel the same way about you the disclaimer, , even though I and many others do explicitly state, "but nutrition is also important"when someone asks if calories are all that matter for weight loss. My 5 year old knows that nutrition is important. Do I really have to add that to every post for grown adults so that my comments are not misinterpreted by people like the OP?
YES...you should add this to every post. Anyone new to this forum would believe... based on the abundance of ridiculous comments that you can just eat whatever you want as long as it fits in your calorie goals. This is irresponsible and I've actually taken the liberty to look at people's diary's who advocate this and alot of them are actually eating healthy! So why advocate to others that you can eat whatever you want instead of promoting a healthy, balanced lifestyle with moderated indulgences. The fact that you have an issue with someone throwing nutrition in the mix is absolutely ridiculous. A reminder about nutrition is definitely needed on a forum such as this one.
Why would you assume "Eat whatever you want" means "Eat nothing but junk food"?
Again, for all the threads criticizing this advice, I have NEVER seen someone post that they actually did take this advice to mean "Go ahead and eat all junk food" and now are struggling or failing because they're full of Twinkies and Big Macs by noon and have no calories left. Yet I see time and time again people respond by saying, "You mean I can have a treat every once and awhile and still lose weight? Thank goodness!".
And again again, for every post that just says, "You can eat whatever you want" there are two that follow that say "You can eat whatever you want to lose weight, but obviously you want to eat enough nutritious food for your health". And then someone will chime in to make sure you get enough fiber and protein. And then someone will post that if you eat Keto you'll never get hungry and your skin will glow. And then another will say that cutting out processed food was the only way they could lose weight.
I seriously wonder if there is an alternate MFP universe with all of these threads where newbies are given no info but to stuff their pieholes with poptarts to lose weight and I am just too dense to find it.
WHATEVER implies whatever. People are not providing enough context to that statement and are not being responsible. I have posted several times on various forums and have been met with angry comments...well I eat pizza everyday, or I eat Macdonald's everyday nobody can tell me otherwise! I completely advocate treats from time to time...we're human and what would life be without them...but people tend not to display their true story. I would like to re-highlight the fact that I mentioned previously in this thread that I have taken the liberty of looking at peoples diaries that advocate that you can eat WHATEVER you want and they actually eat a fairly decent diet so why not clarify that I eat healthy most of the time but I indulge as well instead of implying I eat WHATEVER I want. This is all that I am saying...
Maybe because eating 'whatever' they want includes a wide variety of foods, including both 'good' and 'bad' (if you want to think of it that way) so by saying they eat whatever they want, they aren't misrepresenting anything. Obviously these people have open diaries, and everyone is welcome to do as you did and see for themselves what these self-proclaimed 'eat whatever you want!' people are, in fact, actually eating. And maybe they're just tired of qualifying every.single.statement they make here. My diary is open, and I eat whatever I want. Some days are better than others, but I log them all.
'Maybe because eating 'whatever' they want includes a wide variety of foods, including both 'good' and 'bad'
If this is the case then people should SAY THAT. This is my point...The word WHATEVER does not provide people with adequate information. It is misleading.
Oh sweet kittens! This thread is making my head hurt There is a plethora, an absolute cornucopia, an OVERABUNDANCE, of information about what people here do, don't, sometimes, always, never, only on the full moon, eat. They're under no obligation to list it in every post.
They are obligated to speak truth and stop insinuating WHATEVER...it doesn't have to be a list...
The MFP guidelines are the only obligation posters have
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/welcome/guidelines
what is this truth you desire, my truth, your truth, his truth, her truth? This is no more clear than what the "whatever" people are saying
The truth about what people are really eating. Not falsely claiming they eat WHATEVER they want, WHENEVER they want...
You didn't address the questions I posed to you upthread, so I will ask them again, slightly differently.
What does a day eating WHATEVER you want, look like to you? On a totally indulgent splurge day, where you really want to treat yourself, but still within your calorie allowance (or maybe eating up to maintenance, if you are currently at a deficit). Like your birthday.
What does a day eating TOTALLY HEALTHY look like to you? Where at the end of the day, you close out your diary, and say, "man, that was on point. NAILED IT!".
Because I bet your answers to both of those questions, look different than my answers to both of those questions.
So the point is, that even if I provide the caveat "I eat WHATEVER I want within a calorie deficit to lose weight BUT I eat healthy foods too!", my definition of healthy foods may not be your definition of healthy foods.
My day yesterday, which I felt really good about.
Breakfast: Chobani Greek Yogurt (vanilla), Nature Valley Protein Granola, cup of blueberries.
Lunch: Half package Uncle Bens Quinoa Rice blend, with sauteed snap peas, asparagus, and garlic shrimp.
Dinner: Leftover seafood fra diavolo from a restaurant Friday night, to which I added more sauteed asparagus and spinach and more shrimp.
Snack: Chobani Flip - S'more S'mores
After Dinner: 2 glasses pinot grigio
20,677 Steps
Cals: 1734
Carbs: 188
Fat: 39
Protein: 101
Sodium: 2966
Sugar: 70
To me, that is a totally balanced and healthy day. Like I frequently advise others on these boards, even though many seem to miss it, I strive for a mix of foods that provide nutrition, satiety, and enjoyment, within my calorie goal and aiming for 90g or more of protein.
Yet I'm pretty sure that since much of it is processed, none of that meets your definition of "clean" , and you would consider that day a failure.
So how is me providing the caveat "but I eat healthy too!" helpful, if people like you would look at my day and say that isn't healthy at all?
I actually think this seems like a well balanced diet. Thanks for posting.4 -
Okay, I'll go with that.;)Verity1111 wrote: »
Lol, guess you didn't ace chemistry class. You do know they've used SALT (yes even "organic" sea salt) as a preservative for CENTURIES now?AntoinetteAngus wrote: »
Preservatives are chemicals to make your food last longer. This is not natural. Food should spoil when it spoils. You should not be injecting it with stuff to make it last longer.
You CAN eat whatever you want to lose weight. It's NOT the best approach, however the issue that arises from the diet and fitness industry is that anything not "clean" or "unprocessed" should be avoided at all costs. And that's just not the truth. Again, there are so many other industrialized countries that consume processed products and DON'T have an weight or obesity issue in their populations. In fact, I'll even say that once many of them migrate to the US, they GAIN weight within the first 5 years just due to OVEREATING.So glad you clarified the following because most people tend to leave it at 'you can eat WHATEVER you want'
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To clarify you mean it is not the best approach for *health* purposes but it can be the best approach for weight loss for some people.
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