How Do You Deal With the Toxic/Negative People in Your Live?
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Give him telephone numbers for housekeepers. Let him call and make an appointment to clean his house for every other week. If he can see well enough, he can make the phone call himself and also pay for the cleaner. Also I am sure there must be transportation for him to go to the doctors - many towns have it for the disable or even for just seniors. Give him the phone number for these transportation places and have him make the reservations whenever he has a doctor appointment. Then you can just visit him whenever. The transportation is usually free or maybe like $2.00. Give yourself you back. Tell him you have plans, work, your own doctors etc. Hugs2
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wellthenwhat wrote: »I don't allow them to treat me that way. Your dad is abusing you, but bottom line, you allow him to do it. Every time he says something like that, tell him he either has the option to stop it right now, or you are leaving. Then stick with it! Learn to say things like. "I don't want to." "that doesn't work for me" "No" "I am not interested" and most importantly, "The way you are talking to me is not acceptable. I will not allow you to abuse me like that. If you cannot speak to me respectfully, then I will need to leave." My dad is also like this, but he doesn't abuse me, and we have a smooth topical relationship because I never allow him to use me like that.
I had a friend who had success using this method with her father. However, they just had a long distance relationship, so all she had to do was hang up on him.1 -
150poundsofme wrote: »Give him telephone numbers for housekeepers. Let him call and make an appointment to clean his house for every other week. If he can see well enough, he can make the phone call himself and also pay for the cleaner. Also I am sure there must be transportation for him to go to the doctors - many towns have it for the disable or even for just seniors. Give him the phone number for these transportation places and have him make the reservations whenever he has a doctor appointment. Then you can just visit him whenever. The transportation is usually free or maybe like $2.00. Give yourself you back. Tell him you have plans, work, your own doctors etc. Hugs
Ya, if he has money for escorts, he can afford to pay someone else to clean his house.5 -
My dad is verbally abusive as well, he's mentally better now (for now...) and when I lived more local we would have yelling matches, he repossessed a car (it was in his name, I was paying but had been unemployed) a week before Christmas, I've been removed from the will more times than I can remember. There were times I dreaded talking to him on the phone (it's his birthday, I have a certain sense of unease of calling him today actually). I've always thought he had bipolar issues, but of course since he didn't see a problem and was always nice to Dr's, no one would ever take me at my word. So not the same situation, but I get where you're coming from on this.
There's a certain sense of guilt and feeling of responsibility that society puts on us to care for our elders, and as @ronjsteele1 said, Christian charity. I'd definitely see if he'd be willing to have a housekeeper or at least weaning off his demands. I'd also think about speaking to a professional about these issues, because IMO they always leave something behind. Plus with all that you've had in your life, it's nice to talk to someone just to get the load off.
You have to live your life. I'm not saying of course to never be there for him, but you have a right to get sleep, heal from surgery/hospital stays, and not worry about what he'll demand the next time he calls. There is nothing wrong with disconnecting yourself from a situation that harms you.2 -
^^ I agree with all of this except one point -- whether or not to contribute financially to a parent's care is a choice, not an obligation.
Agreed!!! When my dad checked into rehab for the 4th time and almost lost his marriage and home, my brother called trying to rally me to help take care of him. My answer was "Nope, he's on his own this time." I'm done living my life for people who just want to die.3 -
Thank you to everyone for the advice. Sometimes, it bothers me more than others, and having to be out so late made it very upsetting today. I do need to take action and set boundaries. Easier said than done, but I still have to.2
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I hadn't seen the long story about the hospital and the dropped pizza when I posted earlier.
The other thing to start working on is to answer requests with either "Yes, I can do that," or "No, I can't do that" or "I can't do it now but I can do it at X time."
He asked you to come and pick up the pizza he'd dropped. You said you didn't feel like it. Because you didn't feel good! BUT: that introduces the idea of this being about feelings, and also implies that your feelings can change. Try to start answering those sorts of demands with either "Okay, I can do that, I will be over at 2" or "I'm sorry, I can't do that today." It takes away the negotiating power he thinks he has (or at least lessens it).3 -
lucypstacy wrote: »Thank you to everyone for the advice. Sometimes, it bothers me more than others, and having to be out so late made it very upsetting today. I do need to take action and set boundaries. Easier said than done, but I still have to.
When you've done something for so long, changing that is difficult especially when dealing with a manipulator. Stay strong to the changes you decide to make.2 -
He is poisoning you. If someone was putting arsenic in your coffee, I expect you would the police and not let them near your food or beverages. You can walk away. You choose not to. An honest, direct conversation is in order. This is your behavior. This is how it affects me. Your behavior is hurting me. I need you to stop. If this behavior does not stop, this will be the result (I will stop helping you).
Stick to it. Every time you allow the behavior, you tell him it is okay. Make it clear...this is not okay.
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This is such a good thread. I had to go minimal contact with my mother for a lot of years. I laid down boundaries and she just plowed through them. Many a time I said, "Mom, I'm not having this conversation," and then hung up or left.
I learned to just ignore her when her particular brand of crazy judgemental ranting would start. Visits were once a year and that was plenty. It did get better for me when I just ignored her and didn't engage, but I at least knew that soon I'd be home - 3500 miles away.
They aren't going to change, it was always my fault and sadly when she died my first thought was, "Now she won't be here to pick on me any more." It was hard for me to even cry for her. I could go on for pages, but I think you all know what I'm talking about.
@lucypstacy, I hope you can find your balance. There are a lot of self-help books out there to ease your relationship. It's not easy but as you can see it's common and we stand with you.
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I eventually found out that the only way I could deal with toxic people was to just cut them out of my life.
I fully appreciate that it's a lot harder to do than it sounds.
All thorough my childhood, my two sisters (one older, one younger) were really unpleasant to me. They used to gang up on me and were cruel. I spent a lot of my years at home by myself, as it was preferable to being anywhere near them. It got slightly better when I moved out as I saw less of them but things were always tense, and being with them wasn't my preferred choice of things to do. Visits were short.
I'd always been taught that family came first and foremost so I carried on the relationships, even though one sister felt that the world owed her something, and the other only cared about herself and what she could get out of others.
It all came to a head when I had my third child; my older sister started sending me really nasty texts because I hadn't told her that my son had arrived. There was a reason for this. I told my mum first, because, well, she's my mum. I also told my younger sister as she'd arrived at my house during my labour (I had a homebirth) with Christmas gifts for my other two children and I'd had to tell her to go away (as she was irritating the hell out of me, not that I told her that part). Just after I spoke to my younger sister, I had a major post-partum bleed (literally just after the midwives had left) so that took a while to sort out. I was also worried about my son as he wouldn't feed and his breathing rate was off the scale, so a doctor was called in. He took one look at my son and called the paramedics, along with a call to a neonatal unit warning them to expect us. I was bundled into the ambulance with my son, leaving my husband and two children at home, none of us knowing where we were going (it could have been any one of four hospitals). So, I had no time (or inclination) to contact my older sister. She took this personally, even when I explained about the problems, saying that my mum had told her about my son's birth but hadn't mentioned the bleed, etc. I told her that was these things happened AFTER I'd spoken to mum but she just went off into one. So I told her to have a nice life. I haven't seen/spoken to her since and that was 13 years ago.
My relationship with my other sister ended shortly afterwards (within a couple of years) when she was trying to organise some party for my dad or mum and I said that I wasn't getting involved if my older sister was going. She then ranted down the phone at me, so she was also told to have a nice life and that I was hanging up the phone, which I did. I haven't seen/spoken to her since then either. My mum did tell me that my sister had rung her in a high state of irritation that I'd hung the phone up on her. I found that rather satisfying
I don't miss them. I don't want them in my life. I don't need them in my life. They were a complete pain to me, my entire life. My life is better without them. Getting rid of them was liberating.
My older sister has accepted my decision and has never tried to get in touch since. My younger sister, on the other hand, actually dared to send me a birthday card full of "I really miss you" and "I want to see you" rubbish and other pathetic cliches. The card went in the recycling and a message sent via my mum that it wasn't going to happen. Ever.
My mum has since acknowledged that my sisters made my childhood/adolescence awful and understands (although it upsets her) why I want nothing more to do with them.
My relationship with my dad is barely cordial. He's not a nice man. He's like my sister, wants everything done according to his needs and everyone else can pay for it. He loves conning people. I used to fall in with it all, and do whatever he wanted, until I realised what was going on. Then I stopped doing everything he wanted. And he did not like it one bit. One day I woke up to it all and worked out that he didn't love me, actually he didn't even like me and that was because I could see right through him and would no longer dance to his tune. That realisation was painful, very painful but once I'd accepted that, it was easier. I'm polite to him and that's it. And that's only because he still lives with my mum and I want to have a proper relationship with her. If she needs help with something for my dad then I will be the first to volunteer, but I don't do it for him. If it wasn't for my mum, I would have cut my dad out of my life years ago.
And if they died, I really would not care in the slightest. I certainly wouldn't attend their funerals as I don't care that much about any of them. I barely think about them at all now, that's how little they mean to me.
I also worked out that life is too short to spend it listening to others constantly moaning/mopping up after them. You only get one shot of life, so make the most of it, even if that means cutting people loose. Best thing I ever did (after marrying DHand having children).
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lucypstacy wrote: »Thank you to everyone for the advice. Sometimes, it bothers me more than others, and having to be out so late made it very upsetting today. I do need to take action and set boundaries. Easier said than done, but I still have to.
It is easier said than done, but sometimes needed for ones own sanity. Years ago, both my brother and I would feed each others alcoholism. We'd go out and literally have competitions about who could drink who under the table. My SO gave me an ultimatum-I either got sober or He was leaving. I chose sobriety and did well, my brother kept going down the rabbit hole. I finally had to tell him, "I love you and will always be a phone call away, but I can no longer spend time with you unless you are sober". It was hard but I had to do it.
There is a bright side to my situation though. After I got pregnant, my brother was excited to have a niece. However, I told him, you can not see her or spend time with her unless you can prove to me you are sober and remain sober. That was the kick in the butt he needed and is now 6 months sober.
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How do I deal with toxic people? I don't enable their bad behavior. I cut them out. (And yes, I have done this and it was the most amazing gift I've ever given myself. What a relief, and so empowering.) I don't need anybody in my life who tears me down, and I don't owe anybody who treats me badly any favors.
This. I cut both my parents out of my life 16 years ago. Second best choice I ever made. My life went from a constant litany of criticism and abuse to...peace. When I still spoke to them, I was an emotinal mess constantly. Now, I'm not...Marrying my husband was the best one...seriously, if he will not cease the abuse, call the department on aging for your community and tell them he needs care and you are no longer able to provide it.
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i would do everything in my power to get a caregiver service to go to his house a couple times a week. at least they'd get paid to be abused. you need to make yourself the top priority, and the way he makes you feel is not helpful at all.1 -
Madwife2009 wrote: »...
I'd always been taught that family came first and foremost so I carried on the relationships...
That's how they guilt you into sticking around and putting up with their B.S. You'd never let a stranger treat you that way, right?...I don't miss them. I don't want them in my life. I don't need them in my life. They were a complete pain to me, my entire life. My life is better without them. Getting rid of them was liberating...You only get one shot of life, so make the most of it, even if that means cutting people loose. Best thing I ever did (after marrying DHand having children).
Good for you! Family should love, support and lift one another up, otherwise, what's the point of it? If there is nothing more bonding you together than DNA and some bad memories, why cultivate that? Make your own family and fill it with kindness.3 -
lucypstacy wrote: »Thank you to everyone for the advice. Sometimes, it bothers me more than others, and having to be out so late made it very upsetting today. I do need to take action and set boundaries. Easier said than done, but I still have to.
To be honest with you, until you deal with this, you will likely find losing weight very difficult. I know that until I dealt with the host of emotional issues connected to my mom/family, it was very hard to get away from the emotional eating. So separating from your dad is not just for your mental health, it's for your physical health too. You could consider separating from him as giving yourself the gift of life - your life.8 -
lucypstacy wrote: »The problem with getting people to help him is that he thinks he knows more than them. He went to a doctor recently who told him he needed more exercise because he's starting to have trouble walking due to his weight and gout. He said that the doctor didn't know what he was talking about. He is going to physical therapy now, but he won't do the exercises at home. I try to get him to go out and do more, although it's difficult. He likes fishing, so I can at least get him to go to the lake.
I'm not sure why I feel this responsible. I guess it's because I'm his only child. He was also the youngest in his family, so they're mostly gone, and he never connected with his nieces or nephews. This all really started last November. He had sepsis so bad that it had affected his mind, and I drove to his house (at that time he lived like 100 miles away) and took him to the hospital. They wanted to stick him in a veteran's nursing home, but I didn't want that. I didn't think his confused state was permanent (it wasn't), and I'd heard horrible things about that nursing home. Since then, he moved closer. I'm supposed to go to his house once a week, but I'm there 3-4. Last night he called after six to tell him his second ex-wife (my former stepmother not my mom) was in the hospital and he was worried about his dog because his ex's brother wants to get rid of her. I drove him up there to get the dog and ended up at walmart at midnight buying dog food. I didn't get home until after 2am. That's really typical for him.
He tells people I'm a bad daughter all the time, so I know I should walk away, but I really can't do that.
Then for your own sanity and well-being, I'd figure out what limits you can set in your interactions with him. Including how much you'll be available in-person (what type of restaurant) and on the phone. Set his number to "do not disturb" after a certain time of day, every day, and let him know you won't be available. If he has a medical emergency, 911 needs to be called before you anyway. If he berates you, then tell him you're not going out to eat with him unless he's respectful. If he acts like a child, then treat him like a child and take his ball away. He has a choice as to how he treats you. As long as he feels he's getting away with the bad behavior, it will continue.
Maybe some counseling for yourself. You're making choices which allow the abuse to continue at the level it is. You have the power to lessen its impact and hold on your life without feeling as though you're abandoning your dad.1 -
lucypstacy wrote: »Thank you to everyone for the advice. Sometimes, it bothers me more than others, and having to be out so late made it very upsetting today. I do need to take action and set boundaries. Easier said than done, but I still have to.
I think that's the exact point a lot of us are trying to make--you didn't HAVE to be out so late. You chose to do so. You have a right to take care of yourself, physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually, no matter how he acts or what he says. You just need to believe it and be willing to act on it.3 -
My father is like that too. Currently I don't tell him what I'm eating and if he questions my diet I go back with science. Right now he's only in his 60's and my mom and him are fine. Hopefully my siblings and I can split it when he does need more help.
It might help to read some books like Boundaries to work on some strategies. It helped me.0 -
So much good advice... I don't have much to add but just want to offer empathy and support. I was in a toxic relationship for years and it can be so hard to set boundaries, I can't imagine if it was my own parent. The best thing about this situation is it sounds like you have all the real leverage. He can try to guilt trip you, but you have much more control in this relationship than he does, you just have to use it. It'll be hard at first, but start setting more reasonable expectations for your relationship. Refuse to drop everything to help him with trivial problems (which it sounds like you've been able to do in the past - good job). When you're with him and he says something terrible, look at him and, with a mildly surprised expression, say "What a hurtful and unnecessary thing to say." If he continues to berate you, remove yourself from his presence. Another small perk about this situation is it sounds like he wouldn't be able to physically overpower you to keep you from leaving, so the only thing really standing in your way is yourself.
It's so so hard, I know. If you can afford it, go see a therapist for at least a few sessions to get some professional advice. Toxic people like your father will take advantage of you for as long as they can, and will resort to crazier and crazier methods of keeping you attached. Be strong, find your support system, and just try to live your best life4
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