Counting calories..Or not
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Ironandwine69 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Ironandwine69 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »It's not true that it's time consuming, though, and I hate it when people try to make it sound like this big horrible burden or something people would only do if they were overly neurotic.
But sure, whatever.
It IS true that it's time consuming( for me). Unless you eat everything out of a box. I cook most of my meals from scratch. It's easy to scan a box, not so easy to count and measure everything you are putting in your meal for a family.
This is news to me.
And I cook separate meals for omnivores and vegetarians in my family quite frequently, all from scratch. Have never scanned a single product. The only convenience products I use are things like tinned tomatoes and pasta.
Looking up and cross checking the data base for fresh ingredients doesn't take a great amount of time. Neither does weighing out a whole recipe and using a calculator to get a portion of it.
But again, whatever.
ETA: My biggest issue here is your assertion that this can't be done quickly unless you're using boxed products. It's fine if it doesn't work for you or doesn't fit into your timetable and you can manage your calories without using a scale. Lots of people do. I, like lemurcat, just have an issue with the whole "it takes too much time" argument. I'd much rather hear an "it doesn't suit my personality/preferences" position. I think that's more getting to the root of things, tbh.
I said "time consuming for me". That means I don't think the difference in results is worth the time spent.. Again, to me.
I think, unless you are new at it or have a very challenging goal, counting calories is not necessary.
I'll agree with cmriverside since I see that you're 35.
I'll be 55 this year and I'm short and trying to lose the last 10 pounds.
Get back to me in 20 years. Especially if you're short.
Once again, I'm having trouble with the sweeping nature of the statements you're making.
It might not be necessary for you, but what is the point you're trying to make here? If you don't want to count calories, don't. However, those of use who count calories aren't exactly hearing anything persuasive from you just sitting there asserting that "it's not necessary" other than you just wanting to... what? Seek validation? You've gotten that.
Different strokes for different folks. If it's working for you, that's great. This isn't a one size fits all thing. You don't need everyone to take the same approach or for your way to be the only way for it to work for you, you know?5 -
Before apps like MFP and devices like fitbits, people used what is called common sense to lose weight, these just aid/help you to lose weight
When I was in hospital, they never used either to help me lose some weight
Things to remember is to eat slowly to allow your stomach to tell your brain that it is full, if you scoff your face in like I used to do, by the time your stomach tells your brain it is full, you have already eaten too much
You already know what is healthy and what isn't, you know that it is unhealthy to only eat for example chocolates and drink soda all day, for years we have been told to eat more fibre, veggies etc
Not to mention portion control, small portions but more of is better than large portion but less of
MFP and Fitbit's at least for me just make it more interesting and fun as you meet people as it were and make friends, share logs of what you eat etc2 -
If you don't want to count calories, don't. Plenty of people, a few who've posted in this thread, don't and have lost and are maintaining just fine.
I'm one of those who have to count and weigh and measure my food (yes, for the rest of my life! #horror) if I don't want to be morbidly obese again. Winging it only worked for me for a few months because I was so obese that being off by 200-500 calories was not a big deal. The more weight I lost, the more weighing, measuring, and counting became a big deal.2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Ironandwine69 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Ironandwine69 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »It's not true that it's time consuming, though, and I hate it when people try to make it sound like this big horrible burden or something people would only do if they were overly neurotic.
But sure, whatever.
It IS true that it's time consuming( for me). Unless you eat everything out of a box. I cook most of my meals from scratch. It's easy to scan a box, not so easy to count and measure everything you are putting in your meal for a family.
This is news to me.
And I cook separate meals for omnivores and vegetarians in my family quite frequently, all from scratch. Have never scanned a single product. The only convenience products I use are things like tinned tomatoes and pasta.
Looking up and cross checking the data base for fresh ingredients doesn't take a great amount of time. Neither does weighing out a whole recipe and using a calculator to get a portion of it.
But again, whatever.
ETA: My biggest issue here is your assertion that this can't be done quickly unless you're using boxed products. It's fine if it doesn't work for you or doesn't fit into your timetable and you can manage your calories without using a scale. Lots of people do. I, like lemurcat, just have an issue with the whole "it takes too much time" argument. I'd much rather hear an "it doesn't suit my personality/preferences" position. I think that's more getting to the root of things, tbh.
I said "time consuming for me". That means I don't think the difference in results is worth the time spent.. Again, to me.
I think, unless you are new at it or have a very challenging goal, counting calories is not necessary.
I'll agree with cmriverside since I see that you're 35.
I'll be 55 this year and I'm short and trying to lose the last 10 pounds.
Get back to me in 20 years. Especially if you're short.
Once again, I'm having trouble with the sweeping nature of the statements you're making.
It might not be necessary for you, but what is the point you're trying to make here? If you don't want to count calories, don't. However, those of use who count calories aren't exactly hearing anything persuasive from you just sitting there asserting that "it's not necessary" other than you just wanting to... what? Seek validation? You've gotten that.
Different strokes for different folks. If it's working for you, that's great. This isn't a one size fits all thing. You don't need everyone to take the same approach or for your way to be the only way for it to work for you, you know?
Why so angry?0 -
Counting calories isn't the only way to lose weight but it certainly educates us to the foods that are calorie dense. People gain weight because they simply don't realise how much they are eating. Counting calories really does make us aware of what and how much we are eating.
I no longer count calories as such but that's only because I've been able to maintain my weight loss for 4 years and I still eat the same way I did when losing, I just get more calories. I still think in terms of food = calories, I don't think that's a bad thing though.2 -
cmriverside wrote: »You're on a calorie counting website...
I'm with cmriverside - why would you bother using this app then?0 -
heatherkmcc wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »You're on a calorie counting website...
I'm with cmriverside - why would you bother using this app then?
Maybe for the forums to get advice on fitness???3 -
heatherkmcc wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »You're on a calorie counting website...
I'm with cmriverside - why would you bother using this app then?
IMO...there are a few reasons why people might use this site even if they are not counting calories. Actually...there are many here that no longer count calories.
Right now I am counting but...
The recipe builder even with its many flaws is what keeps me here on MFP. I like to try new recipes and using the recipe builder gives me the info that I want about the nutritional value. I also like to modify existing recipes that I use. I lets me know if the modifications that I make is worth the changes fit in to my goals.
Another reason the use MFP while not counting...
The food data base (despite its discrepancies is probably the most extensive on the net.
Then lastly...when I came here I knew little about the details of an exercise program. There are some very knowledgable fitness experts here. I was able to read and then go research the info. Same would apply to different types of "diets"...the info here gave me a basis of finding what WOE was best suited for me.
Then I guess that one might use this site for the social aspect...people like to communicate with like minded people.
IDK...makes sense to me why some people might use this site that don't actually count their calories.2 -
RunRutheeRun wrote: »Counting calories isn't the only way to lose weight but it certainly educates us to the foods that are calorie dense. People gain weight because they simply don't realise how much they are eating. Counting calories really does make us aware of what and how much we are eating.
I no longer count calories as such but that's only because I've been able to maintain my weight loss for 4 years and I still eat the same way I did when losing, I just get more calories. I still think in terms of food = calories, I don't think that's a bad thing though.
Absolutely it's NOT a bad thing. I used to do it years ago. However I think the point is for us to learn what works and what doesn't, so we can live a healthy lifestyle without having to depend on an app or website.
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@Ironandwine69 absolutely, for everyone its different but we have to find what works for us consistently and helps us be able to maintain our loss.2
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People underestimate food intake by up to 50% and overestimate exercise by 50%.
Some can do it but the general population is awful which is likely a contributing factor to the level of obesity.3 -
Yes and No,
I use MFP mainly to be accountable for what I consume. The extensive DB of foods and recipes make tracking a lot easier for me which is my main use of MFP, tracking! I used to be a compulsive snacker and whilst I was not tracking I conveniently would forget about that handful of biscuits or scoop of raisins. This is not necessarily for calories but for fitness, nutrients (monitoring lack of nutrients and from there I change up my diet if I go 1-2 weeks without a certain type of food) and I'm now starting to learn about macro's too.
So although the majority of people use this tool for calorie counting I don't use it solely or mainly for that purpose.
So far this is the only thing that is helping me lose the weight, nice and slowly and whilst also educating myself. This is how I use the tool, might not be everyone's reason.
Good luck
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My favorite meal at Burger King is 1380 calories. One meal. For some people, that's their entire day. At my size and weight, that leaves me 630 calories. So... I can have a 315 calorie breakfast and a 315 calorie lunch? Fat chance! This is why we don't wing things. No way does anybody look at a burger and fries and think "that's all my food for the entire day".2
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I actually find it harder to wing it than to count calories. Logging calories is not time consuming to me because I have a very large data base of food in my account (I've been doing this for a long time). It takes about 5 minutes a day for me to log and I tend to prelog my entire day in the morning then adjust if I have to.
"Winging" it worked for me as well (again, because I've been doing this so long I can look at something and know the portion size), but I found winging it harder than logging it. I had to be super, super diligent while winging it.
I prefer to log even though I really don't have to anymore.1 -
heatherkmcc wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »You're on a calorie counting website...
I'm with cmriverside - why would you bother using this app then?
Maybe for the forums to get advice on fitness???
True. Also, it's called My Fitness Pal, not My Calorie Counting Pal...1 -
My favorite meal at Burger King is 1380 calories. One meal. For some people, that's their entire day. At my size and weight, that leaves me 630 calories. So... I can have a 315 calorie breakfast and a 315 calorie lunch? Fat chance! This is why we don't wing things. No way does anybody look at a burger and fries and think "that's all my food for the entire day".
A couple of things:
Yes, there are people that will eat all their calories in one big meal and maybe a snack. I have one big meal( dinner) and a tiny lunch. No breakfast, no snacks.
It doesn't take much to know that eating at Burger King is not the best option out there.
I don't think this daily calories need to be an exact science every single day. What do you if you're not hungry, eat more to make the calories for the day?..That doesn't make sense.0 -
You could prolly skip counting....by cutting out certain things.
I know for me, when it is time to cut for summer...just cutting out ice cream, brownies, cookies, etc....will allow me to drop weight to being somewhat "beach" ready.
If I wanna get even more lean, then I have to track/log/count my calories.2 -
You could prolly skip counting....by cutting out certain things.
I know for me, when it is time to cut for summer...just cutting out ice cream, brownies, cookies, etc....will allow me to drop weight to being somewhat "beach" ready.
If I wanna get even more lean, then I have to track/log/count my calories.
That's what I do. Just cut extras that I don't need for cutting. During bulking I only add a couple of protein shakes a day, which I don't drink otherwise. Now am I getting the best results? I doubt it. But it has worked for years, so to me it's worth not having that controlling relationship with my food:-)0 -
Ironandwine69 wrote: »You could prolly skip counting....by cutting out certain things.
I know for me, when it is time to cut for summer...just cutting out ice cream, brownies, cookies, etc....will allow me to drop weight to being somewhat "beach" ready.
If I wanna get even more lean, then I have to track/log/count my calories.
That's what I do. Just cut extras that I don't need for cutting. During bulking I only add a couple of protein shakes a day, which I don't drink otherwise. Now am I getting the best results? I doubt it. But it has worked for years, so to me it's worth not having that controlling relationship with my food:-)
If you see the results you want, with what works for you, then why change?
Everyone is different....
There is no one size fits all thing when it comes to how we lose or gain weight....other than you either need a calorie deficit or surplus to achieve one or the other.
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Ironandwine69 wrote: »You could prolly skip counting....by cutting out certain things.
I know for me, when it is time to cut for summer...just cutting out ice cream, brownies, cookies, etc....will allow me to drop weight to being somewhat "beach" ready.
If I wanna get even more lean, then I have to track/log/count my calories.
That's what I do. Just cut extras that I don't need for cutting. During bulking I only add a couple of protein shakes a day, which I don't drink otherwise. Now am I getting the best results? I doubt it. But it has worked for years, so to me it's worth not having that controlling relationship with my food:-)
being accurate with ones intake does not make one have a controlling relationship with food...4 -
Ironandwine69 wrote: »
I said "time consuming for me". That means I don't think the difference in results is worth the time spent.. Again, to me.
I think, unless you are new at it or have a very challenging goal, counting calories is not necessary.
you keep alternating in your posts from emphasizing that what you're saying is just for you and then flipping to things like the bolded above.
i get it, you don't have to count calories. that's great, and i'm glad that you've found success without having to do things that you find tiring and time consuming. but i'm not new and i'm not on a super aggressive cut and i still need to count calories. a lot of us do. that's been covered in this thread and about 100 others, so i guess i don't really understand what the point is of constantly reasserting that you don't find it necessary. also, this:Ironandwine69 wrote: »so to me it's worth not having that controlling relationship with my food:-)
comes off condescending as all hell.
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Ironandwine69 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Ironandwine69 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Ironandwine69 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »It's not true that it's time consuming, though, and I hate it when people try to make it sound like this big horrible burden or something people would only do if they were overly neurotic.
But sure, whatever.
It IS true that it's time consuming( for me). Unless you eat everything out of a box. I cook most of my meals from scratch. It's easy to scan a box, not so easy to count and measure everything you are putting in your meal for a family.
This is news to me.
And I cook separate meals for omnivores and vegetarians in my family quite frequently, all from scratch. Have never scanned a single product. The only convenience products I use are things like tinned tomatoes and pasta.
Looking up and cross checking the data base for fresh ingredients doesn't take a great amount of time. Neither does weighing out a whole recipe and using a calculator to get a portion of it.
But again, whatever.
ETA: My biggest issue here is your assertion that this can't be done quickly unless you're using boxed products. It's fine if it doesn't work for you or doesn't fit into your timetable and you can manage your calories without using a scale. Lots of people do. I, like lemurcat, just have an issue with the whole "it takes too much time" argument. I'd much rather hear an "it doesn't suit my personality/preferences" position. I think that's more getting to the root of things, tbh.
I said "time consuming for me". That means I don't think the difference in results is worth the time spent.. Again, to me.
I think, unless you are new at it or have a very challenging goal, counting calories is not necessary.
I'll agree with cmriverside since I see that you're 35.
I'll be 55 this year and I'm short and trying to lose the last 10 pounds.
Get back to me in 20 years. Especially if you're short.
Once again, I'm having trouble with the sweeping nature of the statements you're making.
It might not be necessary for you, but what is the point you're trying to make here? If you don't want to count calories, don't. However, those of use who count calories aren't exactly hearing anything persuasive from you just sitting there asserting that "it's not necessary" other than you just wanting to... what? Seek validation? You've gotten that.
Different strokes for different folks. If it's working for you, that's great. This isn't a one size fits all thing. You don't need everyone to take the same approach or for your way to be the only way for it to work for you, you know?
Why so angry?
I'm not angry at all, I'm perplexed by your pushback to people saying that it's fine if you don't want to count calories but they do. Why do you keep singling out users who say that?
I can't figure out the point of your post or why you're even engaging with me. I've been taking the position that one doesn't need to count calories at all to lose weight, and that it's a matter of preference.
The only things I'm taking issue with are your assertions that it's necessarily time consuming (it's not) and that it's universally not necessary (for some of us, it is because we're older, shorter, and/or eyeballing doesn't work for us).
I question what the point of the thread is, that's all. If you don't want to count calories, don't. I'm, once again, not angry at all, just... trying to get to what you were looking for here.5 -
My favorite meal at Burger King is 1380 calories. One meal. For some people, that's their entire day. At my size and weight, that leaves me 630 calories. So... I can have a 315 calorie breakfast and a 315 calorie lunch? Fat chance! This is why we don't wing things. No way does anybody look at a burger and fries and think "that's all my food for the entire day".
There are many days when I have had a 200-300 calorie breakfast and lunch because I want a larger dinner. It's not for everyone, but it's a perfectly reasonable strategy for others.1 -
Ironandwine69 wrote: »RunRutheeRun wrote: »Counting calories isn't the only way to lose weight but it certainly educates us to the foods that are calorie dense. People gain weight because they simply don't realise how much they are eating. Counting calories really does make us aware of what and how much we are eating.
I no longer count calories as such but that's only because I've been able to maintain my weight loss for 4 years and I still eat the same way I did when losing, I just get more calories. I still think in terms of food = calories, I don't think that's a bad thing though.
Absolutely it's NOT a bad thing. I used to do it years ago. However I think the point is for us to learn what works and what doesn't, so we can live a healthy lifestyle without having to depend on an app or website.
Once again, you're making sweeping statements here, so I'm going to question what point you're making. Do you think that in general everyone should move past calorie counting by saying what you've said here, or is what you're saying just meant to apply to you?
Because there's a whole lot wrong with the first premise, and nothing wrong with the second.2 -
Ironandwine69 wrote: »You could prolly skip counting....by cutting out certain things.
I know for me, when it is time to cut for summer...just cutting out ice cream, brownies, cookies, etc....will allow me to drop weight to being somewhat "beach" ready.
If I wanna get even more lean, then I have to track/log/count my calories.
That's what I do. Just cut extras that I don't need for cutting. During bulking I only add a couple of protein shakes a day, which I don't drink otherwise. Now am I getting the best results? I doubt it. But it has worked for years, so to me it's worth not having that controlling relationship with my food:-)
being accurate with ones intake does not make one have a controlling relationship with food...
QFT
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My husband just stopped eating snacks in the evening and lost a ton of weight. That didn't work for me.0
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Some people have to count. Others do not. If you don't, be thankful, not preachy...10
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Ironandwine69 wrote: »RunRutheeRun wrote: »Counting calories isn't the only way to lose weight but it certainly educates us to the foods that are calorie dense. People gain weight because they simply don't realise how much they are eating. Counting calories really does make us aware of what and how much we are eating.
I no longer count calories as such but that's only because I've been able to maintain my weight loss for 4 years and I still eat the same way I did when losing, I just get more calories. I still think in terms of food = calories, I don't think that's a bad thing though.
Absolutely it's NOT a bad thing. I used to do it years ago. However I think the point is for us to learn what works and what doesn't, so we can live a healthy lifestyle without having to depend on an app or website.
ooooohhhhh. I get it now. You're codependent!
Well, good luck "fixing" this group of Chatty Cathys.
Carry on.
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Ironandwine69 wrote: »RunRutheeRun wrote: »Counting calories isn't the only way to lose weight but it certainly educates us to the foods that are calorie dense. People gain weight because they simply don't realise how much they are eating. Counting calories really does make us aware of what and how much we are eating.
I no longer count calories as such but that's only because I've been able to maintain my weight loss for 4 years and I still eat the same way I did when losing, I just get more calories. I still think in terms of food = calories, I don't think that's a bad thing though.
Absolutely it's NOT a bad thing. I used to do it years ago. However I think the point is for us to learn what works and what doesn't, so we can live a healthy lifestyle without having to depend on an app or website.
then why do you keep coming here?0 -
nevadavis1 wrote: »My husband just stopped eating snacks in the evening and lost a ton of weight. That didn't work for me.
That's great for him. Hormones play a big role in it sometimes.0
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