Welcome to Debate Club! Please be aware that this is a space for respectful debate, and that your ideas will be challenged here. Please remember to critique the argument, not the author.

Is There a Metabolic Advantage to a Ketogenic Diet?

Options
123457»

Replies

  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,344 Member
    edited April 2017
    Options
    stevencloser wrote: »
    tardis358 wrote: »
    There may or may not not be a metabolic advantage but I believe there's a psychological one. A lot of people don't stay on their diets because they crave food, and we know carbs stimulate areas of the brain associated with craving and addiction. So while you may not be burning ketones faster than glucose, many people crave food less on a ketogenic diet than on a moderate or high carb one, so it's easier to stick with it. I'm really not one of those people who thinks it's only one way though. If keto works for you, fantastic! If just eating a balanced healthy diet does it for you, also fantastic! If you have trouble with sticking to a healthy diet or losing weight, give keto a try though. It may not work for you but it won't hurt either.

    All delicious food stimulates those areas of the brain. I guess keto would work against that if you don't cook delicious foods but you can bet your butt that my homemade spare ribs make me crave more.

    Absolutely. I can eat up to my calorie allowance and beyond on days I smoke a few racks of spares or baby backs - I'll keep eating 'em until I can't move anymore. Same goes for a big pork shoulder, just can't get enough. And I can easily eat myself into a surplus on a nice, big, fat grilled ribeye steak and some buttered asparagus. All 100% sanctified keto foods.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,389 MFP Moderator
    edited April 2017
    Options
    VintageFeline wrote: »
    stevencloser wrote: »
    tardis358 wrote: »
    There may or may not not be a metabolic advantage but I believe there's a psychological one. A lot of people don't stay on their diets because they crave food, and we know carbs stimulate areas of the brain associated with craving and addiction. So while you may not be burning ketones faster than glucose, many people crave food less on a ketogenic diet than on a moderate or high carb one, so it's easier to stick with it. I'm really not one of those people who thinks it's only one way though. If keto works for you, fantastic! If just eating a balanced healthy diet does it for you, also fantastic! If you have trouble with sticking to a healthy diet or losing weight, give keto a try though. It may not work for you but it won't hurt either.

    All delicious food stimulates those areas of the brain. I guess keto would work against that if you don't cook delicious foods but you can bet your butt that my homemade spare ribs make me crave more.

    Amen. Slow roasted lamb shoulder, in various forms of rubbage and marinades is my kryptonite. Would happily eat that fatty cut until close to throwing it up. So keto would be no cigar on the minimising cravings and reducing appetite thing. Also. I like bread and oats. A lot.

    What's interesting, a lot of my really good meals are naturally low in carbs because I love meat.. especially steak. I make a great fillet (double cooked) with a rosemary garlic butter sauce with parmesan green beans. But I also make a great rosemary garlic lamb chop with garlic home fries (because I love me some potatoes). And my other favorite meal is a cuban steak and a great Ahi Tuna Poke.
  • VintageFeline
    VintageFeline Posts: 6,771 Member
    Options
    psuLemon wrote: »
    VintageFeline wrote: »
    stevencloser wrote: »
    tardis358 wrote: »
    There may or may not not be a metabolic advantage but I believe there's a psychological one. A lot of people don't stay on their diets because they crave food, and we know carbs stimulate areas of the brain associated with craving and addiction. So while you may not be burning ketones faster than glucose, many people crave food less on a ketogenic diet than on a moderate or high carb one, so it's easier to stick with it. I'm really not one of those people who thinks it's only one way though. If keto works for you, fantastic! If just eating a balanced healthy diet does it for you, also fantastic! If you have trouble with sticking to a healthy diet or losing weight, give keto a try though. It may not work for you but it won't hurt either.

    All delicious food stimulates those areas of the brain. I guess keto would work against that if you don't cook delicious foods but you can bet your butt that my homemade spare ribs make me crave more.

    Amen. Slow roasted lamb shoulder, in various forms of rubbage and marinades is my kryptonite. Would happily eat that fatty cut until close to throwing it up. So keto would be no cigar on the minimising cravings and reducing appetite thing. Also. I like bread and oats. A lot.

    What's interesting, a lot of my really good meals are naturally low in carbs because I love meat.. especially steak. I make a great fillet (double cooked) with a rosemary garlic butter sauce with parmesan green beans. But I also make a great rosemary garlic lamb chop with garlic home fries (because I love me some potatoes). And my other favorite meal is a cuban steak and a great Ahi Tuna Poke.

    I'm pretty similar. I have a lot of "low carb" favourites/meat based meals and I can actually overeat them far more easily than I can say bread or potatoes which fill me up really quickly comparatively. So while I will often eat lower carb I actually need the carbs not to overeat. So keto isn't a magical elixir for even most people.
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    edited April 2017
    Options
    psuLemon wrote: »
    VintageFeline wrote: »
    stevencloser wrote: »
    tardis358 wrote: »
    There may or may not not be a metabolic advantage but I believe there's a psychological one. A lot of people don't stay on their diets because they crave food, and we know carbs stimulate areas of the brain associated with craving and addiction. So while you may not be burning ketones faster than glucose, many people crave food less on a ketogenic diet than on a moderate or high carb one, so it's easier to stick with it. I'm really not one of those people who thinks it's only one way though. If keto works for you, fantastic! If just eating a balanced healthy diet does it for you, also fantastic! If you have trouble with sticking to a healthy diet or losing weight, give keto a try though. It may not work for you but it won't hurt either.

    All delicious food stimulates those areas of the brain. I guess keto would work against that if you don't cook delicious foods but you can bet your butt that my homemade spare ribs make me crave more.

    Amen. Slow roasted lamb shoulder, in various forms of rubbage and marinades is my kryptonite. Would happily eat that fatty cut until close to throwing it up. So keto would be no cigar on the minimising cravings and reducing appetite thing. Also. I like bread and oats. A lot.

    What's interesting, a lot of my really good meals are naturally low in carbs because I love meat.. especially steak. I make a great fillet (double cooked) with a rosemary garlic butter sauce with parmesan green beans. But I also make a great rosemary garlic lamb chop with garlic home fries (because I love me some potatoes). And my other favorite meal is a cuban steak and a great Ahi Tuna Poke.

    Same here. When I ran my first bulk using keto, I actually found it more difficult to restrain myself when it came to meats, but especially wings, ribs (beef and pork), ribeye, etc. It's just too damned easy for me to slam a 16 oz. steak, and still want wings, etc.

    Some old fat kid habits and desires just refuse to die.
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    Options
    Very interesting video @nvmomketo . Thanks for sharing :smile:
  • menotyou56
    menotyou56 Posts: 178 Member
    Options
    Great video thanks nvmomketo!
  • LynFaith
    LynFaith Posts: 14 Member
    Options
    I aim for 120g protein, 70g fat and 20g carb. My calorie limits is 1235. Most days I don't feel hungry and easily get by on less calories. I am a pescatarian. No animal products except swimmers.
  • macchiatto
    macchiatto Posts: 2,890 Member
    edited April 2017
    Options
    psuLemon wrote: »
    Taking into consideration all the protocols required to support growth and/or sustainment of muscle on keto, i am positive you not only did not gain but I'd be surprised if you didn't loss muscle like the average person. Quite simply, you did not engage in progressive resistance training (walking is cardio, not resistance training), nor do you sustain high levels of protein. And inam certain, based on waht you have described in the passed, that you are not following and form of ketogains protocols.

    And coming from my experience and the people i have worked with on keto, these are all problems i commonly run into and quickly adjust. More often than not, people are not eating in a manner to support long term body goals.

    I realize this is a bit of a tangent, but can I ask what you'd suggest for an LCHFer looking to recomp? (I started keto 15 months ago, found eating this way had a lot of good health benefits for me, with my medical issues, so I plan to eat some degree of lower carb/higher fat/moderate protein long term. My PCP and specialists are all supportive of this.) My macros even doing keto were mostly 15C/60F/25P, so higher in both carbs and protein than some keto'ers. Now that I'm closer to maintenance calories, protein is always at least 1gm protein per lb of LBM.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,389 MFP Moderator
    Options
    macchiatto wrote: »
    psuLemon wrote: »
    Taking into consideration all the protocols required to support growth and/or sustainment of muscle on keto, i am positive you not only did not gain but I'd be surprised if you didn't loss muscle like the average person. Quite simply, you did not engage in progressive resistance training (walking is cardio, not resistance training), nor do you sustain high levels of protein. And inam certain, based on waht you have described in the passed, that you are not following and form of ketogains protocols.

    And coming from my experience and the people i have worked with on keto, these are all problems i commonly run into and quickly adjust. More often than not, people are not eating in a manner to support long term body goals.

    I realize this is a bit of a tangent, but can I ask what you'd suggest for an LCHFer looking to recomp? (I started keto 15 months ago, found eating this way had a lot of good health benefits for me, with my medical issues, so I plan to eat some degree of lower carb/higher fat/moderate protein long term. My PCP and specialists are all supportive of this.) My macros even doing keto were mostly 15C/60F/25P, so higher in both carbs and protein than some keto'ers. Now that I'm closer to maintenance calories, protein is always at least 1gm protein per lb of LBM.

    Do me a favor and send me a pm..we can set up a plan so we don't hijack this thread.

Categories