ACV - Any results ?
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I just can't fathom the logic or lack of critical thinking that makes people think vinegar is somehow magical. I mean, basic knowledge of how digestion works would generally clue people in. But people don't want to put in the work or believe their weight management is out of their control/don't want to admit that it is solely their responsibility.
And obesity and treatments aren't sexy? Then why are there huge campaigns and multiple dramatic headlines almost every day about diet this, investment that, government initiatives in many countries? Come on now, again let's display a little critical, logical thinking here.5 -
VintageFeline wrote: »I just can't fathom the logic or lack of critical thinking that makes people think vinegar is somehow magical. I mean, basic knowledge of how digestion works would generally clue people in. But people don't want to put in the work or believe their weight management is out of their control/don't want to admit that it is solely their responsibility.
And obesity and treatments aren't sexy? Then why are there huge campaigns and multiple dramatic headlines almost every day about diet this, investment that, government initiatives in many countries? Come on now, again let's display a little critical, logical thinking here.
Vinegar isn't sexy. Have you ever tried to get published? Have you ever written a grant proposal? But there is some research, just not a lot. A study in Japan, published in Bioscience, Biotechnology, and Biochemistry (http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1271/bbb.90231), and someone is trying to replicate in America.0 -
While it does nothing for actual fat loss, ACV works wonders for bloating and digestion! Mix with some water and a little honey if the taste is too much, but I'd definitely recommend it!1
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Look, I don't use ACV for weight loss. The marginal benefit does not outweigh the marginal cost, imo. But I don't feel comfortable putting a period where science still has a questionmark.1
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juliak2010 wrote: »It didn't help me lose weight, but I noticed that I sweat a LOT more when I drink it, and it makes my bladder work overtime. I put one tablespoon of ACV (I use the one with the "mother"... supposedly it works better), add a teaspoon of honey and a drink it during the day. Drink it from a straw, the acid can ruin your teeth.
^^^ From a marketing perspective, let's step back and take a look. Note the Bragg's marketing in the the statement above; it needs to be "with the mother." This is something that is stated in every Bragg's ad, on the bottle, and in their booklet where they make all kinds of miracle claims for it, and then we see it repeated here ad nauseum. It's like touting Lucky Charms on this site because "they're magically delicious." A half gallon of Bragg's in $12.00 on Amazon right now (oh, but two gallons is a mere $26). It's about $5 for Heinz and even less for a store brand. Bragg's is an expensive product, and then to tout it as some kind of magical weight-loss remedy? This is why all the ACV woo is so insidious and objectionable.
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Goober1142 wrote: »I think it is a diuretic, helps with water weight. I've been using it for years. If you can stomach it give it a try. I drink a big glass of water, then a shot of Bragg's through a short straw and another large water. Helps me with arthritis pain.
I've got two forms of arthritis and a lot of pain from it, but that's one bridge I'm not willing to cross. I loathe even the smell of vinegar.2 -
I drink ACV daily for the health benefits and because it helps with my acid reflux. It will not effect your weight loss in any way, I don't feel more full after drinking it nor does it burn extra calories.1
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Yes, ACV will literally melt away the fat.
And it's cheap and easily available.
And everyone knows about it -- it's no secret.
That's why there are no overfat or obese people left.
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AliceNotInChains wrote: »The argument is that acv leads to weight loss. You have introduced a reason why it may not be the product itself, but the psychological processes behind it. My point is that just because something doesn't have a physiological affect on weightloss, doesn't mean it doesn't have an effect. It may be a psychological one. If the product is something as cheap and harmless as apple cider vinegar, then the process variables don't matter, imo. If someone sticks to their health plan because they aren't going to drink a couple of tablespoons of apple cider vinegar for nothing, then more power to them. How is that any different than any other means of motivation to achieve their results?
I would also question the "harmless" part of the claim. If someone is desperate and/or uninformed, they may not dilute which can cause damage to the teeth or esophagus. I can't say I have personal experience though as I have never had the desire to try it.4 -
Here's my favorite recipe for ACV...
2 Celestial Seasonings Cinnamon Apple Spice tea bags brewed over boiling water in a large 3 cup mason jar, once the water has cooled remove the tea bags, add 2 teaspoons freshly grated ginger, 2 tablespoons of ACV (with the 'mother'). Pour half over a large amount ice add Stevia to taste and enjoy throughout the day. Please note, I DO NOT think this aids with weight loss in anyway however, both ACV and ginger have health benefits which is why I drink them (well that and I LOVE the taste of this drink).
Google, trim healthy mama good girl moonshine...there are many variations!!
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elisa123gal wrote: »most of these people parrot what they think is true.. they haven't tried it..
I took ACV for months for something else. Did nothing for weight loss.1 -
I have used it to successfully get rid of warts (one on finger and other on big toe) - few years ago. I was skeptical when someone told me it would work, but after all OTC treatments didn't work, I figured why not try (especially since the next step would be to have them professionally removed). To my surprise, it actually worked. Took a few days of treatment, but after day 4 the finger wart "peeled" off and the toe took about 7 days. Neither have come back.
Yes, I have also used ACV topically to get rid of skin barnacles/seborrheic keratosis. https://www.earthclinic.com/apple-cider-vinegar-for-seborrheic-keratosis.html0 -
elisa123gal wrote: »most of these people parrot what they think is true.. they haven't tried it..
I don't need to try everything to find out if it is true or not. No reason to keep reinventing the wheel. I prefer to go by the experiences of others who have been eating ACV for hundreds of years, if not millenia. I also actually read the studies and they show that any potential benefits are from acetic acid so it doesn't matter what type of vinegar you use.
Nothing magical happens when you ferment apple juice (unless you stop it mid-fermentation, Cidre is awesome!)3 -
elisa123gal wrote: »most of these people parrot what they think is true.. they haven't tried it..
I don't need to try everything to find out if it is true or not. No reason to keep reinventing the wheel. I prefer to go by the experiences of others who have been eating ACV for hundreds of years, if not millenia. I also actually read the studies and they show that any potential benefits are from acetic acid so it doesn't matter what type of vinegar you use.
Nothing magical happens when you ferment apple juice (unless you stop it mid-fermentation, Cidre is awesome!)
^^^ Cosign on the awesomeness of cider as a refreshing pub beverage.0 -
French_Peasant wrote: »elisa123gal wrote: »most of these people parrot what they think is true.. they haven't tried it..
I don't need to try everything to find out if it is true or not. No reason to keep reinventing the wheel. I prefer to go by the experiences of others who have been eating ACV for hundreds of years, if not millenia. I also actually read the studies and they show that any potential benefits are from acetic acid so it doesn't matter what type of vinegar you use.
Nothing magical happens when you ferment apple juice (unless you stop it mid-fermentation, Cidre is awesome!)
^^^ Cosign on the awesomeness of cider as a refreshing pub beverage.
Darn, now I'm disappointed! I thought "cidre" was some cool new drink I hadn't heard about.
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elisa123gal wrote: »most of these people parrot what they think is true.. they haven't tried it..
I use it because I get really tight calves and cramping, and it helps with that...I've been maintaining my weight for about 4 years. It hasn't magically made me lose more weight.
You can also simply research this and look at actual studies...the only thing legitimate studies have shown is that it does help with managing blood glucose to some extent...so does a glass of wine.1 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »elisa123gal wrote: »most of these people parrot what they think is true.. they haven't tried it..
I use it because I get really tight calves and cramping, and it helps with that...I've been maintaining my weight for about 4 years. It hasn't magically made me lose more weight.
You can also simply research this and look at actual studies...the only thing legitimate studies have shown is that it does help with managing blood glucose to some extent...so does a glass of wine.
People are drinking vinegar when they could be drinking wine? That's messed up.10 -
AliceNotInChains wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »AliceNotInChains wrote: »The argument is that acv leads to weight loss. You have introduced a reason why it may not be the product itself, but the psychological processes behind it. My point is that just because something doesn't have a physiological affect on weightloss, doesn't mean it doesn't have an effect. It may be a psychological one. If the product is something as cheap and harmless as apple cider vinegar, then the process variables don't matter, imo. If someone sticks to their health plan because they aren't going to drink a couple of tablespoons of apple cider vinegar for nothing, then more power to them. How is that any different than any other means of motivation to achieve their results?
But why give credit to a product that has no impact, rather than the thing that does, a calorie deficit that the Individual created?
Calorie deficits may be too abstract for some people. In order to lose weight, some people need to feel invested in their journey, and taking something may help them feel that way in a way that just cognitively knowing that they have achieved a calorie deficit does not.
Another thing that we have not discussed- an absence of peer reviewed evidence does not mean that something does not have an effect. In fact, I'd argue that unless there is peer reviewed evidence against it, and there is anecdotal evidence dating back to the 16th century, then we can't rule it out as having a positive effect.
Why suggest a placebo that has very real negative effects, such as tooth damage?0
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