Help dairy..

kclaar11

If you have no medical reasons not to, by all means consume dairy products. I go through a gallon of milk, a container of nonfat greek yogurt, and a container of cottage cheese every week on top of other cheese I consume, and I live alone. I have never had a single issue, and according to my doctor, I am in excellent physical condition as well as "very healthy". Don't let scare tactics and ridiculous claims force you to restrict your diet.

rileysowner

janejellyroll wrote: »

Are you allergic to dairy or do you have trouble digesting it? Do you have ethical problems with it?

If not, there's no reason to avoid it. Just account for the calories.

THIS!

andetarum

there are a lot of studies looking into the link of dairy and different cancers, here a a few;
https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/97/23/1768/2521503/Prospective-Studies-of-Dairy-Product-and-Calcium
http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/12/7/597.short
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1008823601897

also, a fun thing i found. the one blogger that supposedly "exposed" the china study, and who started this entire thing, also said this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFfK27B_qZY
so, to all the people who keep naming her as their only source, yes she disagrees with the china study (the study) but she seems to support most other things in the book. so her argument was: china study bad - veganism good.

janejellyroll

andetarum wrote: »

there are a lot of studies looking into the link of dairy and different cancers, here a a few;
https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/97/23/1768/2521503/Prospective-Studies-of-Dairy-Product-and-Calcium
http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/12/7/597.short
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1008823601897

also, a fun thing i found. the one blogger that supposedly "exposed" the china study, and who started this entire thing, also said this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFfK27B_qZY
so, to all the people who keep naming her as their only source, yes she disagrees with the china study (the study) but she seems to support most other things in the book. so her argument was: china study bad - veganism good.

It's perfectly plausible that someone could conclude that the China Study is bad and veganism is good. They aren't the same thing, veganism goes way beyond the China Study. And Campbell (the author of the China Study) isn't even vegan.

I wish people would stop using the China Study to promote veganism.

lemurcat12

cmtigger wrote: »

andetarum wrote: »

RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote:

Again you couldn't have even taken the time to read it.

You could read Chris Master Johns instead if you like.
http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html

The whole premise was around Cholesterol. He took out bits that suited his agenda and twisted them.

oeh... he still sites the one blogger as his main source and there is no peer rewed rebuttal.

I think another argument against it is the lack of peers citing it in general.

This is true, and that it was a book (with a lot of conclusions that go beyond the study), rather than a peer-reviewed paper.

Also, this new PURE study (that Jerome Berry referred to upthread) seems to have opposite conclusions in many ways. I will be interested to see that when it comes out. I've also found it frustrating that Campbell does not seem interested in engaging in debate or discussion about the problems pointed out with the study. In that he makes some huge claims, I think he should.

Here's a good analysis of a bunch of different diets: http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/full/10.1146/annurev-publhealth-032013-182351#abstractSection

They basically conclude that whatever specific pattern a diet that is largely based on whole plant foods is good, but do not conclude that you get a particular benefit from excluding meat or dairy.

psuLemon

andetarum wrote: »

there are a lot of studies looking into the link of dairy and different cancers, here a a few;
https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/97/23/1768/2521503/Prospective-Studies-of-Dairy-Product-and-Calcium
http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/12/7/597.short
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1008823601897

also, a fun thing i found. the one blogger that supposedly "exposed" the china study, and who started this entire thing, also said this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFfK27B_qZY
so, to all the people who keep naming her as their only source, yes she disagrees with the china study (the study) but she seems to support most other things in the book. so her argument was: china study bad - veganism good.

You might want to take a look at the limitations of most of those studies. More often, they are small sample and do things based on recall or observation. And only when consuming large amounts 2-3x does it increase the risk a few percentage points for males (since it's prostate cancer).

Conversely, there is additional evidence that it can prevent other cancers and osteoperosis, and with have no impact with other cancers. Essentially, you can't just say dairy causes cancer or linked to higher rates of cancer, but rather that if you drink in excess as a male, you increase the chances of prostate cancer. Which BTW, the OP is female, so kind of a non issue.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21617020
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19116875
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15240785

Tacklewasher

cmtigger wrote: »

I read a good book debunking food scares a few years ago. I'd look it up but my kindle is charging. That's the kind of food book I enjoy. And cookbooks. I love cookbooks.

Is your Kindle charged yet? I'm curious on the name of the book (and how I can "accidentally" drop it in my wife's Kindle list).

AnvilHead

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27882862?log$=activity

CONCLUSION:

The totality of available scientific evidence supports that intake of milk and dairy products contribute to meet nutrient recommendations, and may protect against the most prevalent chronic diseases, whereas very few adverse effects have been reported.

janejellyroll

Tacklewasher wrote: »

cmtigger wrote: »

I read a good book debunking food scares a few years ago. I'd look it up but my kindle is charging. That's the kind of food book I enjoy. And cookbooks. I love cookbooks.

Is your Kindle charged yet? I'm curious on the name of the book (and how I can "accidentally" drop it in my wife's Kindle list).

It could be "The Gluten Lie" by Alan Levinovitz -- it has a similar premise. It covers all sorts of food scares, not just gluten. I haven't read it yet, but it's been on my wish list for a while.

cmtigger

Tacklewasher wrote: »

cmtigger wrote: »

I read a good book debunking food scares a few years ago. I'd look it up but my kindle is charging. That's the kind of food book I enjoy. And cookbooks. I love cookbooks.

Is your Kindle charged yet? I'm curious on the name of the book (and how I can "accidentally" drop it in my wife's Kindle list).

It's at home. I'll try to look tonight.

cmtigger

janejellyroll wrote: »

Tacklewasher wrote: »

cmtigger wrote: »

I read a good book debunking food scares a few years ago. I'd look it up but my kindle is charging. That's the kind of food book I enjoy. And cookbooks. I love cookbooks.

Is your Kindle charged yet? I'm curious on the name of the book (and how I can "accidentally" drop it in my wife's Kindle list).

It could be "The Gluten Lie" by Alan Levinovitz -- it has a similar premise. It covers all sorts of food scares, not just gluten. I haven't read it yet, but it's been on my wish list for a while.

No, not that one, but it's on my wish list. Maybe it was called White Bread?

janejellyroll

cmtigger wrote: »

janejellyroll wrote: »

Tacklewasher wrote: »

cmtigger wrote: »

I read a good book debunking food scares a few years ago. I'd look it up but my kindle is charging. That's the kind of food book I enjoy. And cookbooks. I love cookbooks.

Is your Kindle charged yet? I'm curious on the name of the book (and how I can "accidentally" drop it in my wife's Kindle list).

It could be "The Gluten Lie" by Alan Levinovitz -- it has a similar premise. It covers all sorts of food scares, not just gluten. I haven't read it yet, but it's been on my wish list for a while.

No, not that one, but it's on my wish list. Maybe it was called White Bread?

If it's this, it looks fascinating! Another book to add to my wish list.

https://www.amazon.com/White-Bread-Social-History-Store-Bought-ebook/dp/B005JT1U1K/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1490898309&sr=1-2&keywords=white+bread

cmtigger

janejellyroll wrote: »

cmtigger wrote: »

janejellyroll wrote: »

Tacklewasher wrote: »

cmtigger wrote: »

I read a good book debunking food scares a few years ago. I'd look it up but my kindle is charging. That's the kind of food book I enjoy. And cookbooks. I love cookbooks.

Is your Kindle charged yet? I'm curious on the name of the book (and how I can "accidentally" drop it in my wife's Kindle list).

It could be "The Gluten Lie" by Alan Levinovitz -- it has a similar premise. It covers all sorts of food scares, not just gluten. I haven't read it yet, but it's been on my wish list for a while.

No, not that one, but it's on my wish list. Maybe it was called White Bread?

If it's this, it looks fascinating! Another book to add to my wish list.

https://www.amazon.com/White-Bread-Social-History-Store-Bought-ebook/dp/B005JT1U1K/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1490898309&sr=1-2&keywords=white+bread

Yes, Amazon tells me I bought that one.

enterdanger

dairy is awesome. I even make my own cheese.

rosebarnalice

I for one don't LIKE milk or yogurt.
My dairy comes in the form of cheese (in moderation-- maybe 2 to 3 28g servings per week, and lowfat kefir poured into my oatmeal (for the protein and probiotics.

Rebecca0224

zyxst wrote: »

andetarum wrote: »

I strongly recomend to read the book "the china study". It answers your question and explanes how to eat to be healthy. Its based on real reaserch not on some "nutritionists opinion". And no, you should not be eating dairy. Its one of the leading causes of cancer and been shown to caus autoimmune disorders in childern.

Can you post links to peer reviewed studies out-and-out stating that dairy causes cancer? Thanks.

"Such studies provide convincing evidence that increased consumption of milk can lead to reductions in the risk of vascular disease and possibly some cancers and of an overall survival advantage from the consumption of milk, although the relative effect of milk products is unclear."

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/animal/article/milk-and-meat-in-our-diet-good-or-bad-for-health/D147AAC744A6E07C8D61CBF2A6E07750

TR0berts

Ummm...

ladyreva78

enterdanger wrote: »

dairy is awesome. I even make my own cheese.

Never made cheese, but I am making my own yogurts! Tasty little buggers, especially with a spoonful of homemade jam mixed in (image... dairy with added sugar!)

cerise_noir

Leenizi129 wrote: »

Personally for me dairy is out! It is pretty bad for you. I enjoy almond or coconut milk. Do the 7 day challenge give it up for 7 days then eat it again and tell me how you feel.

How, pray tell, is dairy "bad for you"? Do you have any legitimate sources to back this up?

southernoregongrape

Darn, with someone had told my folks this 60 years ago. I wouldn't have had to take care of the cows before school in the mornings. I could have slept in another hour.