April 2017 Running Challenge

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  • Elise4270
    Elise4270 Posts: 8,375 Member
    edited April 2017
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    garygse wrote: »
    Elise4270 wrote: »
    That seems intuitive, but Garmin says:

    "...The Garmin fitness device uses this (activity class) information along with gender, age, weight, height, and lifetime athlete settings in order to calculate the calories burned during a given activity...."

    No mention of HR.
    It could be down to which Garmin product you have then. I have the FR 235 which uses Firstbeat's algorithms to determine calorie burn.

    https://www.firstbeat.com/en/consumer-product/forerunner-235/

    I have the 620. I have no idea how it works. I just have observed that the calorie calculation overshoots it (or I eat too much and am sloppy at tracking it) to lose weight. Haha! Cheetos, donuts, and ice cream don't help any either. But I feel like I should be able to eat ALL of that if I'm running 20+ MPW. But sadly that's not the case.

    ETA My watch has all those features. DH has the 235 also. I just know I'm not burning as much as he does.
  • GBrady43068
    GBrady43068 Posts: 1,256 Member
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    Aaasand I'm back

    GBrady43068GBrady43068 Member
    April 24, 2017 5:27PM in Challenges
    Gone for almost 5 months..dropped out about September when work got crazy but unfortunately stopped all running.

    Beginning at C25K level again. So the goal is small and will mostly be walking vs. running.


  • Elise4270
    Elise4270 Posts: 8,375 Member
    edited April 2017
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    @garygse I know this is a dead horse. I did change my activity level and maybe that's all it is.

    A year ago the same run
    6.45 miles vs 6.35,
    73 minutes vs 77 minutes,
    traning effect 2.8 vs 5.0,
    570 calories vs 812.
    Hr average both ~160 but max is lower on the run a year ago. Because I'm not back 100%. Yet.

    So I wonder how much of my 800+ calorie burn estimate is activity setting, or is there really something in the data that suggests I burned more- because the run was harder. *Shrugs* Maybe so. That training effect has been spot on as far as I've noticed.

    Anyhow, thanks for the help. I'm still not eating the 800 calories even if they are real!
  • MNLittleFinn
    MNLittleFinn Posts: 4,271 Member
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    GBrady43068 wrote: »
    Aaaaand I'm back. Gone for almost 5 months..dropped out about September when work got crazy but unfortunately stopped all running.

    Beginning at C25K level again. So the goal is small and will mostly be walking vs. running.


    Welcome back! Glad you can get back into it.
  • WhatMeRunning
    WhatMeRunning Posts: 3,538 Member
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    Welcome back @GBrady43068! It's never too late to start running again.
  • WhatMeRunning
    WhatMeRunning Posts: 3,538 Member
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    Elise4270 wrote: »
    @garygse I know this is a dead horse. I did change my activity level and maybe that's all it is.

    A year ago the same run
    6.45 miles vs 6.35,
    73 minutes vs 77 minutes,
    traning effect 2.8 vs 5.0,
    570 calories vs 812.
    Hr average both ~160 but max is lower on the run a year ago. Because I'm not back 100%. Yet.

    So I wonder how much of my 800+ calorie burn estimate is activity setting, or is there really something in the data that suggests I burned more- because the run was harder. *Shrugs* Maybe so. That training effect has been spot on as far as I've noticed.

    Anyhow, thanks for the help. I'm still not eating the 800 calories even if they are real!
    Your HRMax and training effect seem the culprit. Those hearts are crazy, I tell ya! You go between easy and medium effort and the heart shouts out "Seventy Five" in the cryptic metabolic function the heart inputs to, but then you hit a hill and your HR shoots up and your heart shouts out "WTF IS THIS...257 BAZILLION AND A HALF" into that same formula which I don't think expects fractional parameters.
  • zdyb23456
    zdyb23456 Posts: 1,706 Member
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    4/1 8mi 1:14:29min
    4/2 rest
    4/3 4mi 34:55min
    4/4 4.55mi 43:06min
    4/5 rest
    4/6 5mi 46:47min
    4/7 3mi 25:53min
    4/8 9mi 1:24:34min
    4/9 rest
    4/10 5mi 45:44min
    4/11 7mi 1:03:31min
    4/12 rest
    4/13 4mi 35:51min
    4/14 3mi 26:07min
    4/15 10mi 1:35:12min
    4/16 rest
    4/17 5mi 46:22min
    4/18 4.3mi 38:55min
    4/19 5mi 43:06min <- my fastest 5 miler in a long time!
    4/20 rest
    4/21 4mi 35:46min
    4/22 9mi 1:28:18min
    4/23 rest
    4/24 7mi 62:58min

    Today was a very soggy 7 miles. It's the first time I've knowingly and willingly ran in the rain! It started raining steadily about a mile in and let up a little when I had about a half mile left. I wonder if drivers passing me by thought I was crazy...

    I just couldn't wrap my mind around doing 7 miles on the treadmill! I think 5 miles is my max on a treadmill.

  • vandinem
    vandinem Posts: 550 Member
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    Date     Miles      MTD
------   -----    -------
Apr 02     5.0        5.0
Apr 05     4.3        9.3
Apr 07     6.4       15.7
Apr 08     4.3       20.0
Apr 09     5.0       25.0
Apr 11     5.1       30.1
Apr 13     5.1       35.2
Apr 15     5.1       40.3
Apr 16     5.1       45.4
Apr 20     5.1       50.5
Apr 22     5.1T      55.6
Apr 24     6.3       61.9

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    6.3 is the new 5.1

    @MNLittleFinn , that is sage advice to @katharmonic.
  • garygse
    garygse Posts: 896 Member
    edited April 2017
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    Elise4270 wrote: »
    @garygse I know this is a dead horse. I did change my activity level and maybe that's all it is.

    A year ago the same run
    6.45 miles vs 6.35,
    73 minutes vs 77 minutes,
    traning effect 2.8 vs 5.0,
    570 calories vs 812.
    Hr average both ~160 but max is lower on the run a year ago. Because I'm not back 100%. Yet.

    So I wonder how much of my 800+ calorie burn estimate is activity setting, or is there really something in the data that suggests I burned more- because the run was harder. *Shrugs* Maybe so. That training effect has been spot on as far as I've noticed.

    Anyhow, thanks for the help. I'm still not eating the 800 calories even if they are real!
    I hope that setting adjustment helps fix things for you!

    This is something I actually find rather interesting, but as no company is going to release their algorithms to show how things are actually calculated, it can take some tweaking of settings to eventually get things in the right ballpark. One of the key settings I tried to get as accurate as possible was the max HR, and that can only be done with hard work and lots of sweat and tears (and in my case, cuss words). Then I adjusted the HR zones (I use heart rate reserve), and finally, I keep my body weight updated. After that, I can only rely on letting Firstbeat's algorithms do their thing.

    Yeah, it's not perfect, but I've found it to be relatively consistent to my activity levels. And I too have noticed that Training Effect seems to have adjusted itself appropriately as my fitness levels have gone up. I do, on the other hand, have a tendency to eat back a lot of the calories...which is probably why these last few 'stubborn' pounds haven't really been going anywhere, lol.

    (edited for typo)
  • snowyne
    snowyne Posts: 268 Member
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    4/1 - 7.0 mi.
    4/2 - 4.0 mi
    4/3 - 3.6 mi.
    4/4 - rest
    4/5 - 6.0 mi.
    4/6 - 4.0 mi.
    4/7 - 5.0 mi.
    4/8 - 4.4 mi.
    4/9 - rest
    4/10 - 4.4 mi.
    4/11 - 4.0 mi.
    4/12 - 4.9 mi. (oh, honestly...why didn't I eke out another .1 for a nice even 5?? :p )
    4/13 - 3.1 mi.
    4/14 - 5.0 mi.
    4/15 - 3.9 mi.
    4/16 - rest - happy easter!
    4/17 - 4.0 mi.
    4/18 - 4.6 mi.
    4/19 - 4.1 mi.
    4/20 - 4.0 mi.
    4/21 - 5.5 mi.
    4/22 - 5.1 mi.
    4/23 - rest
    4/24 - 4.5 mi.

    April goal: 91.1/100 miles
    I'm noticing on days I'm pressed for time, my runs feel fantastic and I'm disappointed I have to stop. However, on days where I actually have time & try to plan a longer run, my body just isn't cooperative and I end up just doing my regular average distance. ARGGH!
  • KeepRunningFatboy
    KeepRunningFatboy Posts: 3,055 Member
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    WK: 4.24.17 - 4.30.17

    M - 3.5 m. EZ
    T -
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    T -
    F -
    S - Revel Mt. Charleston Marathon
    S -
    Total - miles for the week
  • katharmonic
    katharmonic Posts: 5,720 Member
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    Date :::: Miles :::: April MTD (goal = 95)
    04/01/17 :::: 7.7 :::: 7.7
    04/02/17 :::: 3.5 :::: 11.2
    04/03/17 :::: 2.5 :::: 13.7
    04/04/17 :::: 0.0 :::: 13.7
    04/05/17 :::: 3.5 :::: 17.2
    04/06/17 :::: 0.0 :::: 17.2
    04/07/17 :::: 0.0 :::: 17.2
    04/08/17 :::: 0.0 :::: 17.2
    04/09/17 :::: 3.5 :::: 20.6
    04/10/17 :::: 3.0 :::: 23.6
    04/11/17 :::: 0.0 :::: 23.6
    04/12/17 :::: 3.2 :::: 26.8
    04/13/17 :::: 0.0 :::: 26.8
    04/14/17 :::: 4.0 :::: 30.8
    04/15/17 :::: 6.2 :::: 37.0
    04/16/17 :::: 2.7 :::: 39.7
    04/17/17 :::: 3.7 :::: 43.4
    04/18/17 :::: 0.0 :::: 43.4
    04/19/17 :::: 3.1 :::: 46.6
    04/20/17 :::: 2.2 :::: 48.8
    04/21/17 :::: 4.7 :::: 53.5
    04/22/17 :::: 7.8 :::: 61.3
    04/23/17 :::: 2.5 :::: 63.8
    04/24/17 :::: 3.3 :::: 67.0

    Hill repeats for group workout tonight. 20 minutes of them! Plus warmup and cooldown. Love the Monday groups because people bring their bling from their races over the weekend/week. Some very cool medals this week including one guy with his from Boston (he qualified again) and an awesome 50k medal. Inspiring!
  • MNLittleFinn
    MNLittleFinn Posts: 4,271 Member
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    katharmonic wrote: »
    Hill repeats for group workout tonight. 20 minutes of them! Plus warmup and cooldown. Love the Monday groups because people bring their bling from their races over the weekend/week. Some very cool medals this week including one guy with his from Boston (he qualified again) and an awesome 50k medal. Inspiring!
    Sounds like an awesome run day! That 50k medal is indeed inspiring!
  • Orphia
    Orphia Posts: 7,097 Member
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    Stoshew71 wrote: »
    WhatMeRunning wrote: »
    One thing I have noticed in my training, and can't say it works for all, is when I do a steady build over 3 weeks to new mileage compared to just running my new target mileage for 3 weeks is that I feel better at the end of that 3 week period when I do the target mileage over the 3 week period than when I steadily build. I have a theory why, but it's just my observation. The first week is the most tiring, but your cardio adapts and by the 3rd week it is easier than the 3rd week of a slow build, as each week building up you have to adapt again. I think your strength gains are better off also as you get 3 weeks at that effort as opposed to 2 lower weeks and one at target.

    This in no way means it is for all. But I have experienced it and for whatever value tools like Sport Tracks provide that show your fitness adaptations and fatigue, the results on those tools seem to back it up.

    The trick is to know how to build up the right amount and not just jump into too high of mileage that the first week at new mileage is more harm than good.

    Of course, much is to be said with going with what you know will work and you are comfortable with. I know I'm comfortable with my plans and have seen them work, but what works for one may not work for others.

    Just thought I would put that out there because I'm not sure it has been discussed here before, and I have found it pretty interesting. I'm not saying it's right, just thought I would solicit others opinions.

    This is actually the method that Jack Daniels suggests for increasing mileage.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnEI8MPVOas

    @Stoshew71 Thanks for that! That's brilliant!

    I've never understood the 10% rule.

    Love this, so I'm writing it out.

    Increase your weekly mileage by the number of runs you do. e.g. if you run 5 times, increase by 5 miles. If you run 7 times, increase by 7 miles. But only increase by a maximum of 10 miles (e.g. people who run twice a day 7 days a week should only increase by 10 miles.) And once you increase your mileage, stay at that level for 4 weeks, so your body has time to adjust to the stress. Don't increase every week, because you'll be continually increasing stress.

    Hmm, I can't really do miles. I might use this in kilometres to be on even safer ground.
  • kgirlhart
    kgirlhart Posts: 4,995 Member
    edited April 2017
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    4/3/17 - 3.8 miles
    4/5/17 - 3.2 miles
    4/6/17 - 4 miles
    4/9/17 - 3.2 miles
    4/10/17 - 1.2 miles
    4/11/17 - 3.3 miles
    4/13/17 - 3.7 miles
    4/16/17 - 3.2 miles
    4/18/17 - 3.5 miles
    4/20/17 - 3.5 miles
    4/ 22/17 - 3.2 miles
    4/23/17 - 3.5 miles
    4/24/17 - 1.2 miles


    40.5/40 miles for April

    I got a short run in today. It was just a little over a mile, but it put me over my goal for April. I may not get to run tomorrow, but I should be able to get in one or two more runs before the month is out.
  • Orphia
    Orphia Posts: 7,097 Member
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    01 April – 5 km parkrun PB! 25:42
    02 April – 21.2 km HM with no fuel – bad idea!
    05 April – 7 km
    07 April – 4.2 km
    08 April – 0.4 km parkrun setup
    09 April – 14.6 km Run 4 the Kids 1:25:17 – top 25% in my age group!
    11 April – 5.7 km
    12 April – 9.4 km
    15 April – 7.4 km including parkrun with my niece
    16 April – 26 km LSR
    18 April – 8.4 km
    19 April – 11.6 km
    22 April – 10.8 km including a 1 second parkrun PB (5km in 25:41)
    23 April – 17 km mountain hike (not included in total but was tough so worth mentioning)
    25 April – 9.1 km with hills

    Total: 142 km

    Events:
    30 April – Colour run (no idea of distance!)
    6 May – Go the Extra Mile Melbourne 50 km walk

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