Clean eating- does it matter?
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You can lose weight on ANYTHING. I've lost 5kg/12lb before eating ice cream and cakes because I monitored my intake to prove it can be done.
The reality is however eating mainly junk will drop fat, and improve many health markers.
However, inflammatory response to damage inside the body may not be repair as well and give ill health in later life.
I'd rather eat mostly clean and the occasional bit of junk, to keep longer overall health.2 -
You can lose weight on ANYTHING. I've lost 5kg/12lb before eating ice cream and cakes because I monitored my intake to prove it can be done.
The reality is however eating mainly junk will drop fat, and improve many health markers.
However, inflammatory response to damage inside the body may not be repair as well and give ill health in later life. (im not so sure about this, can you cite something?)
I'd rather eat mostly clean and the occasional bit of junk, to keep longer overall health. (Which is EXACTLY what everyone has been saying.)
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lemurcat12 wrote: »So are you willing to address the actual disagreement, whatever you may think it is? Or do you want to continue to assert that people like me simply claim that food choice and nutrition does not matter and don't care about nutrition, which is what I find unfair, untrue, and a strawman.
Yay for @lemurcat12
I see too many times these posts just end up with snark more because those promoting "clean eating" don't actually read what others have written and respond to what they think they read (without doing much actual reading). It gets tiring.
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Tacklewasher wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »So are you willing to address the actual disagreement, whatever you may think it is? Or do you want to continue to assert that people like me simply claim that food choice and nutrition does not matter and don't care about nutrition, which is what I find unfair, untrue, and a strawman.
Yay for @lemurcat12
I see too many times these posts just end up with snark more because those promoting "clean eating" don't actually read what others have written and respond to what they think they read (without doing much actual reading). It gets tiring.
Agreed, I like her well thought out posts.5 -
comeonnow142857 wrote: »Foods lacking in nutrients are not "unhealthy"...... "Unhealthy" only exists in CONTEXT (dosage of poisons, overall malnourishment, allergies, etc).
A DIET lacking in nutrients (which a 100% "clean" diet is completely capable of being) is unhealthy.
"Nutrient rich & balanced diet" >>>> "Clean eating".
I really like this.3 -
BusyRaeNOTBusty wrote: »comeonnow142857 wrote: »Foods lacking in nutrients are not "unhealthy"...... "Unhealthy" only exists in CONTEXT (dosage of poisons, overall malnourishment, allergies, etc).
A DIET lacking in nutrients (which a 100% "clean" diet is completely capable of being) is unhealthy.
"Nutrient rich & balanced diet" >>>> "Clean eating".
I really like this.
Me too. The whole post was a really nice explanation.2 -
Did it matter? Not really. I was a "clean" vegetarian for 4-5 years and was at my highest weight ever. Now I'm more of a 60/40 person.
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I think I eat clean. I eat mostly vegetables, fruit, whole grains, fats, and fish and lean meats.
I don't eat refined sugar (causes inflammation), dairy (causes inflammation), soy (can turn to hormones), and rarely eat gluten.
I have Multiple Sclerosis and I started swimming competitively after 14 years off. I make smoothies with ginger and tumeric to cut inflammation.
I have to avoid hormones because I had a pulmonary embolism 3 years ago.
I feel really good. It is good for me. I don't judge others for what they eat. It works for me.
I have had problems in the past with walking and needing a cane and I don't right now. I had horrible weight gain with menopause. I am starting to finally lose weight after 3 years.
I believe everyone has their own path.1 -
It doesn't matter to ME.1
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nickiphillips1 wrote: »I think I eat clean. I eat mostly vegetables, fruit, whole grains, fats, and fish and lean meats.
I don't eat refined sugar (causes inflammation), dairy (causes inflammation), soy (can turn to hormones), and rarely eat gluten.
I have Multiple Sclerosis and I started swimming competitively after 14 years off. I make smoothies with ginger and tumeric to cut inflammation.
I have to avoid hormones because I had a pulmonary embolism 3 years ago.
I feel really good. It is good for me. I don't judge others for what they eat. It works for me.
I have had problems in the past with walking and needing a cane and I don't right now. I had horrible weight gain with menopause. I am starting to finally lose weight after 3 years.
I believe everyone has their own path.
Soy doesn't "turn to hormones," it contains phytoestrogens and there is no clear evidence that these are harmful to people.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074428/
I say this not to convince you to eat soy -- it's your own business. I say it because I want this to be clear to anyone reading the thread who might become irrationally fearful of soy.7 -
nickiphillips1 wrote: »I think I eat clean. I eat mostly vegetables, fruit, whole grains, fats, and fish and lean meats.
I don't eat refined sugar (causes inflammation), dairy (causes inflammation), soy (can turn to hormones), and rarely eat gluten.
I have Multiple Sclerosis and I started swimming competitively after 14 years off. I make smoothies with ginger and tumeric to cut inflammation.
I have to avoid hormones because I had a pulmonary embolism 3 years ago.
I feel really good. It is good for me. I don't judge others for what they eat. It works for me.
I have had problems in the past with walking and needing a cane and I don't right now. I had horrible weight gain with menopause. I am starting to finally lose weight after 3 years.
I believe everyone has their own path.
I really am glad for you that you found a method that makes you healthier and generally feel better. With that said you mentioned four separate medical conditions that make your situation wildly unique. You situation wont apply to the vast majority of people.
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I read all 8 pages. I appreciate the conclusion/understanding. I personally eat a nutritious diet. As many have said, my diet has slowly morphed into a much more wholesome and nutrient dense diet. I definitely indulge and enjoy my processed foods, but I eat minimal now, by default. If I don't have a salad or pita for lunch, I'll have a lean cuisine. But dinner is always something that's been minimally processed, as in frozen meat/veggies from my dads farm. Can't get much fresher than that
. Friday - usually pizza or sushi with several adult beverages.
As for eating "treats" when hungry, I totally think about chips or cookies when I'm hungry. If it's in between a meal, I'll absolutely have a snack. It can be a tomato salad with balsamic or a serving of potato chips - whatever "floats my boat" as I like to say (as long as it fits in my calorie goal).
It was great seeing everyone come to an understanding on one of these posts! Moral of the story - whatever works best for you, you just gotta find it!
Cheers - TGIF!!!1 -
I think clean eating in general is great for health!! And it totally helps with weight loss!! I'm a clean eater but I have to focus on increasing my protein in my diet!! When you eat a clean diet. It's crazy how much food you can consume!!! Congrats on eating healthy0
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thechaoswithinme wrote: »I think clean eating in general is great for health!! And it totally helps with weight loss!! I'm a clean eater but I have to focus on increasing my protein in my diet!! When you eat a clean diet. It's crazy how much food you can consume!!! Congrats on eating healthy
So you didn't read the thread?4 -
Some people have different taste buds. I used to enjoy garbage. Or over processed foods. I went on a diet and eliminated all those food lost 125. I go back to treat myself to something I used to eat... nothing taste the same as it used to.. I used to love these food and over indulge. Now I try these food and it's somewhat gross to me. I would rather eat grapes than gummy bears.. it's the sugar and high fat and sodium. That make people go back for more. It like an explosion on the taste buds.cassandrarodriguez89 wrote: »Yes, it 100% matters, for instance, I eat healthy. I ate one cancer meal (taco bell) and broke out in sweat throwing up for hours. If I eat a slice of cake I get horrid acne. Actually, anything that has no good nutrition sends me into oblivion, I will get sick, depressed and acne. Not to mention I hate the taste of white bread, white rice and fried foods. The flavors are nasty, I don't understand why some people enjoy the taste, I honestly think they pretend to like it because they don't want to make effort in eating healthy. White bread tastes like paper... unless they have weird taste buds its a strange concept to me. I will say sugar is different though, it tastes AMAZING... and sometimes its worth the acne and migraine
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thechaoswithinme wrote: »
Some people have different taste buds. I used to enjoy garbage. Or over processed foods. I went on a diet and eliminated all those food lost 125. I go back to treat myself to something I used to eat... nothing taste the same as it used to.. I used to love these food and over indulge. Now I try these food and it's somewhat gross to me. I would rather eat grapes than gummy bears.. it's the sugar and high fat and sodium. That make people go back for more. It like an explosion on the taste buds.cassandrarodriguez89 wrote: »Yes, it 100% matters, for instance, I eat healthy. I ate one cancer meal (taco bell) and broke out in sweat throwing up for hours. If I eat a slice of cake I get horrid acne. Actually, anything that has no good nutrition sends me into oblivion, I will get sick, depressed and acne. Not to mention I hate the taste of white bread, white rice and fried foods. The flavors are nasty, I don't understand why some people enjoy the taste, I honestly think they pretend to like it because they don't want to make effort in eating healthy. White bread tastes like paper... unless they have weird taste buds its a strange concept to me. I will say sugar is different though, it tastes AMAZING... and sometimes its worth the acne and migraine
the sugar in the grapes is the same as the sugar in the gummy bears.
how are you defining processed?2 -
thechaoswithinme wrote: »
Some people have different taste buds. I used to enjoy garbage. Or over processed foods. I went on a diet and eliminated all those food lost 125. I go back to treat myself to something I used to eat... nothing taste the same as it used to.. I used to love these food and over indulge. Now I try these food and it's somewhat gross to me. I would rather eat grapes than gummy bears.. it's the sugar and high fat and sodium. That make people go back for more. It like an explosion on the taste buds.cassandrarodriguez89 wrote: »Yes, it 100% matters, for instance, I eat healthy. I ate one cancer meal (taco bell) and broke out in sweat throwing up for hours. If I eat a slice of cake I get horrid acne. Actually, anything that has no good nutrition sends me into oblivion, I will get sick, depressed and acne. Not to mention I hate the taste of white bread, white rice and fried foods. The flavors are nasty, I don't understand why some people enjoy the taste, I honestly think they pretend to like it because they don't want to make effort in eating healthy. White bread tastes like paper... unless they have weird taste buds its a strange concept to me. I will say sugar is different though, it tastes AMAZING... and sometimes its worth the acne and migraine
Gummy Bears are . . . low fat.8 -
thechaoswithinme wrote: »
Some people have different taste buds. I used to enjoy garbage. Or over processed foods. I went on a diet and eliminated all those food lost 125. I go back to treat myself to something I used to eat... nothing taste the same as it used to.. I used to love these food and over indulge. Now I try these food and it's somewhat gross to me. I would rather eat grapes than gummy bears.. it's the sugar and high fat and sodium. That make people go back for more. It like an explosion on the taste buds.cassandrarodriguez89 wrote: »Yes, it 100% matters, for instance, I eat healthy. I ate one cancer meal (taco bell) and broke out in sweat throwing up for hours. If I eat a slice of cake I get horrid acne. Actually, anything that has no good nutrition sends me into oblivion, I will get sick, depressed and acne. Not to mention I hate the taste of white bread, white rice and fried foods. The flavors are nasty, I don't understand why some people enjoy the taste, I honestly think they pretend to like it because they don't want to make effort in eating healthy. White bread tastes like paper... unless they have weird taste buds its a strange concept to me. I will say sugar is different though, it tastes AMAZING... and sometimes its worth the acne and migraine
You used to eat garbage? And enjoyed it?5 -
It always amuses me that people that "used" to eat this way now call that food "garbage". Truth was you had no control. It's kinda of insulting to call it "garbage" because it's may be insinuating that possibly people that eat it can't be "healthy". But hey, whatever floats your boat.thechaoswithinme wrote: »
Some people have different taste buds. I used to enjoy garbage. Or over processed foods. I went on a diet and eliminated all those food lost 125. I go back to treat myself to something I used to eat... nothing taste the same as it used to.. I used to love these food and over indulge. Now I try these food and it's somewhat gross to me. I would rather eat grapes than gummy bears.. it's the sugar and high fat and sodium. That make people go back for more. It like an explosion on the taste buds.cassandrarodriguez89 wrote: »Yes, it 100% matters, for instance, I eat healthy. I ate one cancer meal (taco bell) and broke out in sweat throwing up for hours. If I eat a slice of cake I get horrid acne. Actually, anything that has no good nutrition sends me into oblivion, I will get sick, depressed and acne. Not to mention I hate the taste of white bread, white rice and fried foods. The flavors are nasty, I don't understand why some people enjoy the taste, I honestly think they pretend to like it because they don't want to make effort in eating healthy. White bread tastes like paper... unless they have weird taste buds its a strange concept to me. I will say sugar is different though, it tastes AMAZING... and sometimes its worth the acne and migraine
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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janejellyroll wrote: »thechaoswithinme wrote: »
Some people have different taste buds. I used to enjoy garbage. Or over processed foods. I went on a diet and eliminated all those food lost 125. I go back to treat myself to something I used to eat... nothing taste the same as it used to.. I used to love these food and over indulge. Now I try these food and it's somewhat gross to me. I would rather eat grapes than gummy bears.. it's the sugar and high fat and sodium. That make people go back for more. It like an explosion on the taste buds.cassandrarodriguez89 wrote: »Yes, it 100% matters, for instance, I eat healthy. I ate one cancer meal (taco bell) and broke out in sweat throwing up for hours. If I eat a slice of cake I get horrid acne. Actually, anything that has no good nutrition sends me into oblivion, I will get sick, depressed and acne. Not to mention I hate the taste of white bread, white rice and fried foods. The flavors are nasty, I don't understand why some people enjoy the taste, I honestly think they pretend to like it because they don't want to make effort in eating healthy. White bread tastes like paper... unless they have weird taste buds its a strange concept to me. I will say sugar is different though, it tastes AMAZING... and sometimes its worth the acne and migraine
Gummy Bears are . . . low fat.
Not the chubby ones.10 -
WinoGelato wrote: »thechaoswithinme wrote: »
Some people have different taste buds. I used to enjoy garbage. Or over processed foods. I went on a diet and eliminated all those food lost 125. I go back to treat myself to something I used to eat... nothing taste the same as it used to.. I used to love these food and over indulge. Now I try these food and it's somewhat gross to me. I would rather eat grapes than gummy bears.. it's the sugar and high fat and sodium. That make people go back for more. It like an explosion on the taste buds.cassandrarodriguez89 wrote: »Yes, it 100% matters, for instance, I eat healthy. I ate one cancer meal (taco bell) and broke out in sweat throwing up for hours. If I eat a slice of cake I get horrid acne. Actually, anything that has no good nutrition sends me into oblivion, I will get sick, depressed and acne. Not to mention I hate the taste of white bread, white rice and fried foods. The flavors are nasty, I don't understand why some people enjoy the taste, I honestly think they pretend to like it because they don't want to make effort in eating healthy. White bread tastes like paper... unless they have weird taste buds its a strange concept to me. I will say sugar is different though, it tastes AMAZING... and sometimes its worth the acne and migraine
You used to eat garbage? And enjoyed it?
That is strange. I'm glad I haven't ever had to dig food out of a trash can. My sympathy to @thechaoswithinme for going through that...5 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »thechaoswithinme wrote: »
Some people have different taste buds. I used to enjoy garbage. Or over processed foods. I went on a diet and eliminated all those food lost 125. I go back to treat myself to something I used to eat... nothing taste the same as it used to.. I used to love these food and over indulge. Now I try these food and it's somewhat gross to me. I would rather eat grapes than gummy bears.. it's the sugar and high fat and sodium. That make people go back for more. It like an explosion on the taste buds.cassandrarodriguez89 wrote: »Yes, it 100% matters, for instance, I eat healthy. I ate one cancer meal (taco bell) and broke out in sweat throwing up for hours. If I eat a slice of cake I get horrid acne. Actually, anything that has no good nutrition sends me into oblivion, I will get sick, depressed and acne. Not to mention I hate the taste of white bread, white rice and fried foods. The flavors are nasty, I don't understand why some people enjoy the taste, I honestly think they pretend to like it because they don't want to make effort in eating healthy. White bread tastes like paper... unless they have weird taste buds its a strange concept to me. I will say sugar is different though, it tastes AMAZING... and sometimes its worth the acne and migraine
Gummy Bears are . . . low fat.
Not the chubby ones.
It's the Gummiberry juice, it's impossible to drink that stuff in moderation.1 -
WinoGelato wrote: »thechaoswithinme wrote: »
Some people have different taste buds. I used to enjoy garbage. Or over processed foods. I went on a diet and eliminated all those food lost 125. I go back to treat myself to something I used to eat... nothing taste the same as it used to.. I used to love these food and over indulge. Now I try these food and it's somewhat gross to me. I would rather eat grapes than gummy bears.. it's the sugar and high fat and sodium. That make people go back for more. It like an explosion on the taste buds.cassandrarodriguez89 wrote: »Yes, it 100% matters, for instance, I eat healthy. I ate one cancer meal (taco bell) and broke out in sweat throwing up for hours. If I eat a slice of cake I get horrid acne. Actually, anything that has no good nutrition sends me into oblivion, I will get sick, depressed and acne. Not to mention I hate the taste of white bread, white rice and fried foods. The flavors are nasty, I don't understand why some people enjoy the taste, I honestly think they pretend to like it because they don't want to make effort in eating healthy. White bread tastes like paper... unless they have weird taste buds its a strange concept to me. I will say sugar is different though, it tastes AMAZING... and sometimes its worth the acne and migraine
You used to eat garbage? And enjoyed it?
Millions of goats can't be wrong.4 -
Just saying that exercise causes inflammation. Inflammation isn't always a "bad" thing.nickiphillips1 wrote: »I think I eat clean. I eat mostly vegetables, fruit, whole grains, fats, and fish and lean meats.
I don't eat refined sugar (causes inflammation), dairy (causes inflammation), soy (can turn to hormones), and rarely eat gluten.
I have Multiple Sclerosis and I started swimming competitively after 14 years off. I make smoothies with ginger and tumeric to cut inflammation.
I have to avoid hormones because I had a pulmonary embolism 3 years ago.
I feel really good. It is good for me. I don't judge others for what they eat. It works for me.
I have had problems in the past with walking and needing a cane and I don't right now. I had horrible weight gain with menopause. I am starting to finally lose weight after 3 years.
I believe everyone has their own path.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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WinoGelato wrote: »thechaoswithinme wrote: »
Some people have different taste buds. I used to enjoy garbage. Or over processed foods. I went on a diet and eliminated all those food lost 125. I go back to treat myself to something I used to eat... nothing taste the same as it used to.. I used to love these food and over indulge. Now I try these food and it's somewhat gross to me. I would rather eat grapes than gummy bears.. it's the sugar and high fat and sodium. That make people go back for more. It like an explosion on the taste buds.cassandrarodriguez89 wrote: »Yes, it 100% matters, for instance, I eat healthy. I ate one cancer meal (taco bell) and broke out in sweat throwing up for hours. If I eat a slice of cake I get horrid acne. Actually, anything that has no good nutrition sends me into oblivion, I will get sick, depressed and acne. Not to mention I hate the taste of white bread, white rice and fried foods. The flavors are nasty, I don't understand why some people enjoy the taste, I honestly think they pretend to like it because they don't want to make effort in eating healthy. White bread tastes like paper... unless they have weird taste buds its a strange concept to me. I will say sugar is different though, it tastes AMAZING... and sometimes its worth the acne and migraine
You used to eat garbage? And enjoyed it?
That is strange. I'm glad I haven't ever had to dig food out of a trash can. My sympathy to @thechaoswithinme for going through that...
I mean, it's really heartwarming that she was able to make the best out of what most people would consider a bad situation.4 -
WinoGelato wrote: »thechaoswithinme wrote: »
Some people have different taste buds. I used to enjoy garbage. Or over processed foods. I went on a diet and eliminated all those food lost 125. I go back to treat myself to something I used to eat... nothing taste the same as it used to.. I used to love these food and over indulge. Now I try these food and it's somewhat gross to me. I would rather eat grapes than gummy bears.. it's the sugar and high fat and sodium. That make people go back for more. It like an explosion on the taste buds.cassandrarodriguez89 wrote: »Yes, it 100% matters, for instance, I eat healthy. I ate one cancer meal (taco bell) and broke out in sweat throwing up for hours. If I eat a slice of cake I get horrid acne. Actually, anything that has no good nutrition sends me into oblivion, I will get sick, depressed and acne. Not to mention I hate the taste of white bread, white rice and fried foods. The flavors are nasty, I don't understand why some people enjoy the taste, I honestly think they pretend to like it because they don't want to make effort in eating healthy. White bread tastes like paper... unless they have weird taste buds its a strange concept to me. I will say sugar is different though, it tastes AMAZING... and sometimes its worth the acne and migraine
You used to eat garbage? And enjoyed it?
That is strange. I'm glad I haven't ever had to dig food out of a trash can. My sympathy to @thechaoswithinme for going through that...
George Costanza would argue that if it's on top, it's not really garbage. Maybe that's what we're talking about here . . .5 -
thechaoswithinme wrote: »I used to enjoy garbage.
That's just gross. Were you homeless or something?
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janejellyroll wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »thechaoswithinme wrote: »
Some people have different taste buds. I used to enjoy garbage. Or over processed foods. I went on a diet and eliminated all those food lost 125. I go back to treat myself to something I used to eat... nothing taste the same as it used to.. I used to love these food and over indulge. Now I try these food and it's somewhat gross to me. I would rather eat grapes than gummy bears.. it's the sugar and high fat and sodium. That make people go back for more. It like an explosion on the taste buds.cassandrarodriguez89 wrote: »Yes, it 100% matters, for instance, I eat healthy. I ate one cancer meal (taco bell) and broke out in sweat throwing up for hours. If I eat a slice of cake I get horrid acne. Actually, anything that has no good nutrition sends me into oblivion, I will get sick, depressed and acne. Not to mention I hate the taste of white bread, white rice and fried foods. The flavors are nasty, I don't understand why some people enjoy the taste, I honestly think they pretend to like it because they don't want to make effort in eating healthy. White bread tastes like paper... unless they have weird taste buds its a strange concept to me. I will say sugar is different though, it tastes AMAZING... and sometimes its worth the acne and migraine
Gummy Bears are . . . low fat.
Not the chubby ones.
It's the Gummiberry juice, it's impossible to drink that stuff in moderation.
Thanks for making me "that girl" on the train (laughing loudly all by myself) 3 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »thechaoswithinme wrote: »
Some people have different taste buds. I used to enjoy garbage. Or over processed foods. I went on a diet and eliminated all those food lost 125. I go back to treat myself to something I used to eat... nothing taste the same as it used to.. I used to love these food and over indulge. Now I try these food and it's somewhat gross to me. I would rather eat grapes than gummy bears.. it's the sugar and high fat and sodium. That make people go back for more. It like an explosion on the taste buds.cassandrarodriguez89 wrote: »Yes, it 100% matters, for instance, I eat healthy. I ate one cancer meal (taco bell) and broke out in sweat throwing up for hours. If I eat a slice of cake I get horrid acne. Actually, anything that has no good nutrition sends me into oblivion, I will get sick, depressed and acne. Not to mention I hate the taste of white bread, white rice and fried foods. The flavors are nasty, I don't understand why some people enjoy the taste, I honestly think they pretend to like it because they don't want to make effort in eating healthy. White bread tastes like paper... unless they have weird taste buds its a strange concept to me. I will say sugar is different though, it tastes AMAZING... and sometimes its worth the acne and migraine
Gummy Bears are . . . low fat.
Not the chubby ones.
hahaha - this made me LOL at work. haha1
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