Why so much despise for bodybuilders
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Why the despise for people who want to bodybuild? Shoot there is even a gym (PLANET FITNESS) that pretty much says bodybuilders are NOT welcome in their facilities. Even though there slogan is "NO JUDGMENT ZONE" is that hypocrisy?
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Where? When?
.... I think it's your perception, not reality.10 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Where? When?
.... I think it's your perception, not reality.
It's definitely not my perception. Spend a day in my shoes just on this simple app and you will see. Furthermore my comments about planet fitness stand true and strong. If they are not biased towards bodybuilders then I am not sure what they are.2 -
They have a different business model. YOU are not the customer they are looking for and further, YOU intimidate the customer they do want. So in that respect, you're right, they don't want you in there, I have no problem with that. But it isn't discrimination, it's business. As far as this app goes, when it's you against the world, some self reflection is in order.25
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livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Where? When?
.... I think it's your perception, not reality.
It's definitely not my perception. Spend a day in my shoes just on this simple app and you will see. Furthermore my comments about planet fitness stand true and strong. If they are not biased towards bodybuilders then I am not sure what they are.
Spending a day in your shoes would be seeing things from your perspective. I've spent plenty of days on the app and not ever felt any despise for bodybuilders4 -
prattiger65 wrote: »They have a different business model. YOU are not the customer they are looking for and further, YOU intimidate the customer they do want. So in that respect, you're right, they don't want you in there, I have no problem with that. But it isn't discrimination, it's business. As far as this app goes, when it's you against the world, some self reflection is in order.
Whoever said it was me against the world?? Furthermore, their slogan is the no judgment zone yet they judge so please explain that bias to me. You can't use the fact that I am not the customer that they want or I intimidate others. Are you insinuating that my appearance in itself is intimidating. Actions are intimidating not appearances. I work out in peace and quiet like everyone else so how am I intimidating?3 -
I'm a competitive bodybuilder. I've never gotten any sort of hate and I don't feel despised. I do think there are lots of bodybuilders who have a crappy attitude and are morally corrupt, those ones get too much attention and make everyone else look bad.
Other than that...
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Theres gyms that are just for woman,there a boxing gym in Queens NY that is just for men..
Planet fitness dosnt want bodybuilders,just join another gym.. Never really had a problem with anyone on this app either. If someone is a tool just ignore them10 -
prattiger65 wrote: »They have a different business model. YOU are not the customer they are looking for and further, YOU intimidate the customer they do want. So in that respect, you're right, they don't want you in there, I have no problem with that. But it isn't discrimination, it's business. As far as this app goes, when it's you against the world, some self reflection is in order.
Whoever said it was me against the world?? Furthermore, their slogan is the no judgment zone yet they judge so please explain that bias to me. You can't use the fact that I am not the customer that they want or I intimidate others. Are you insinuating that my appearance in itself is intimidating. Actions are intimidating not appearances. I work out in peace and quiet like everyone else so how am I intimidating?
The original intention behind "No judgement zone" was that the other gym goers aren't going to judge you. It's a solid business model to get the average Joe in since they are the ones worried that super fit people are going to judge them at the gym. I don't feel threatened or unwanted when I travel and have to use one.8 -
It's your perception. Really.2
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skinnycow1234567 wrote: »Theres gyms that are just for woman,there a boxing gym in Queens NY that is just for men..
Planet fitness dosnt want bodybuilders,just join another gym.. Never really had a problem with anyone on this app either. If someone is a tool just ignore them
I'm not saying I don't ignore them, I'm not even insinuating that I am extremely upset. I posted a question that was all I did. From my perspective, from the comments And messages I have received on this app there is a bias towards myself and bodybuilders in general.
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My gym is the best. Everyone is welcome.
Well, except for the centipedes, yeeuck.. they need to stay out!!
I really should start putting a sign up....
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I've been on both sides so I believe I can give a pretty neutral view.Why the despise for people who want to bodybuild? Shoot there is even a gym (PLANET FITNESS) that pretty much says bodybuilders are NOT welcome in their facilities. Even though there slogan is "NO JUDGMENT ZONE" is that hypocrisy?
I don't think it's despising, but actual curiosity as to why some bodybuilders go to the extent that they do to attain a type of physique. Especially with competitive bodybuilders who use stacks of PED's to attain it. Let's face it, the average competitor stands out and looks beyond normal, so it can easily make people feel uncomfortable. And if they are a strong bodybuilder and hoisting around some serious poundages, people will gawk or be amazed. So competitive bodybuilders draw attention to themselves without even saying a word.
Most of the bodybuilders I've met are cool and funny, but of course there are going to be some that are very narcissistic and believe that the world revolves around them. And they act that way in the gym. They aren't hard to spot. Especially when they show outright disdain having to wait for equipment or weights.
As for Planet Fitness, I agree on the "no judgement zone". To me it's false advertising, but any establishment has the right to cater to the type of people they want in their place. Honestly, I think their ads are hilarious.
All in all, if people worry so much about how they appeared to others, they may have to change how when, where or the time they workout to avoid it. IMO, I could give a rat's *kitten* about what people think about me, but I'll always be cordial to them.
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Why the despise for people who want to bodybuild? Shoot there is even a gym (PLANET FITNESS) that pretty much says bodybuilders are NOT welcome in their facilities. Even though there slogan is "NO JUDGMENT ZONE" is that hypocrisy?
Oh, I love bodybuilders. They are my eye candy at the gym.....and the entire gym loves them.7 -
I'll just leave this here:
Nothing wrong with bodybuilding although some people do take it a little too far. But hey that's up to them. The only ones I lack respect for are those 'carpet carriers' who walk around as if their latissimus dorsai need their own postcode; when their 'v-taper' (or lack thereof) is not in proportion to biceps and pectorials which seems to be a monday-sunday type exercise.
One other thing with 'bodybuilders' is lack of rear deltoid development. So I think there's a perception that the whole narcissistic focus on 'guns n chest' takes priority over achieving an actual proportioned look which gives an illusion of size. To me a lot of so called 'bodybuilders' are just juiceheads without any knowledge what the hell they're doing. I have the utmost respect for those who treat it like a science and art project to actually 'sculpt' their body to the fullest and leanest extent but some of these people are just.... plain - strange.
Respect for those who do it for self improvement and development to help their lives.
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I certainly don't see any bias against body builders on this app. Quite the opposite,in fact- the weight gaining forum was changed to weight gaining and body building; just one example.
The comment about oestrogen was insulting though.5 -
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Meh, I'm indifferent, it's not an aesthetic I'm particularly fond of but I can appreciate the work that goes into it. I do sometimes wonder though what it's like not to be able to cross your arms cos pecs and guns (generic you).3
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I cant say ive ever felt any despise on here amongst members, in the whole its a very supportive place, and i've never had any derogatory comments.
Some small minded people, when they see you have muscle, immediately assume you do steroids, those people are the ones that dont realise it takes years if hard work in the gym and eating right, purely because they dont do it themselves.
@IVMay - its quite amusing how you spout off about bodybuilders traps and delts and their lack of this and that - judging by the look of you, you are a crossfitter or cardio monkey, thats fine, being muscular is not everyones fitness goal, some just life to stay lean and fit and healthy, thats absolutely fine, everyone is different, but i dont think you show any class or earn any right to criticise people that do spend their life dedicated to building a better body.
It's an observation based on what I've seen in the gym and disproportional look. I agree that it's not everybody's goal and everybody is different. I also think that people think that a lot of bodybuilders don't actually 'bodybuild' by just focusing entirely on arms and chest. But hey - I believe that stereotype is there for a reason and there's no smoke without fire given peoples experiences (not just mine).
Either way if you actually read what I wrote: I am very supportive and have great respect for bodybuilders who are serious about their craft and treat it like an art experiment of sculpting aesthetically pleasing physiques.
Please don't tell me what right I have and do not have to have an opinion. Bodybuilding is a subjective issue. And as for my right to critique - it's just as valid as yours. Just like people critique Dorian Yates' 1997 [edit: win, sorry] to Nasser and Columbo's 1981 win with gyno in his pectorials when Danny Padilla was considered far superior - or possibly 1980's ludicrous decision in Sydney.
I do also keep up to date with current trends like Phil "narrow" Heath and Kai Greene who seems to have given up on everything but the Arnold Classic. Dallas McCarver is coming in ok but recently had that spout with Shawn Ray over his gut. So yeah - I think I am quite 'aware' with that particular sport given that I was into it 10 years ago and considerably different than I am now. So thanks for judging my opinion as invalid
Believe me - I do have some form of basis for my opinions they're not just out of thin air.
You are entitled to your opinion about whatever aspect of bodybuilding. I am entitled to mine. The rest is: obvious is obvious. Thanks for the response though - but I do recommend rereading my original post and general admiration for it.
As for commenting on my 'cardio monkey' physique. OK. I presume that's a pejorative term and you wonder why there's so many petty type playground comments thrown around by different camps of these exercise related parties? You are as always entitled to your opinion. I'm lucky to have two arms, two legs and at least half a brain and grateful that I still have my life and health mostly ahead of me - thus far. Everything else is a bonus.
PS - hope you're enjoying your Friday 8 -
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I've not seen that at all in four decades of using a whole variety of gyms.
There's a couple of arrogant BB'ers in my main gym that are a general irritant but that's due to their behaviour and not their training style / goals / physique.
Just a thought - maybe it's just against you and not bodybuilders in general?
You seem to think you are the victim on these forums so maybe that carries over into real life too?
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VintageFeline wrote: »Meh, I'm indifferent, it's not an aesthetic I'm particularly fond of but I can appreciate the work that goes into it. I do sometimes wonder though what it's like not to be able to cross your arms cos pecs and guns (generic you).
I can cross my arms.... And touch my shoulders on bicep day... Perhaps I'm not a real bodybuilder 1 -
So exactly what is it that they did to you to make you feel unwanted. I'm curious, because I use PF as a backup gym and I see bodybuilding type physiques all the time.
If it's you're gallon of water, Do you have something against 32 or 40 oz. liquid containers?
Do you have a rule about wearing regular tanks or subtle cutoffs? (allowed at my locations El Paso TX & Las Vegas NV)
Something wrong with placing weights down rather than dropping?
Can you wipe your sweat of a bench as to not promote the spread something such as Staph Infection?
If nothing is wrong with the above than recalibrate the aromasin
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@VintageFeline Have no problems crossing arms and y pevs or guns are pretty well built.
its silly comments like that, that annoy people who body build.
Im not particularly fond of the skinny, no shape or overweight look, but i dont wonder what its like for beanpole people to have tread carefully around drains or overweight people to shimmy sideways through a door
Chill, it was tongue in cheek. When I was a gymnast people would ask me if I could backflip. When I was a dancer I'd be asked if I could do the splits. When I say I sing (which is rare because...) people demand I sing for them. Just one of things.
And I HAVE seen men unable to cross their arms. It is only a few but they do exist. I have never, on the other hand, seen a slim person fall through a grate
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VintageFeline wrote: »Meh, I'm indifferent, it's not an aesthetic I'm particularly fond of but I can appreciate the work that goes into it. I do sometimes wonder though what it's like not to be able to cross your arms cos pecs and guns (generic you).
There was a funny story that Nasser was recalling regarding Greg Kovacs having to use bathroom towels to wipe his own backside because he physically couldn't do it and his wife used to have to 'clean up' after him on regular occasions. They were very good friends and both high level competitors.
Well - it was half funny half sad - you got to feel for the guy to let it get to that level where it physically prohibits you from performing something like that. Although Nasser did bad mouth a lot of people and should have kept a lot of it to himself and there's quite possibly a lot of embellishment.0 -
I cant say ive ever felt any despise on here amongst members, in the whole its a very supportive place, and i've never had any derogatory comments.
Some small minded people, when they see you have muscle, immediately assume you do steroids, those people are the ones that dont realise it takes years if hard work in the gym and eating right, purely because they dont do it themselves.
@IVMay - its quite amusing how you spout off about bodybuilders traps and delts and their lack of this and that - judging by the look of you, you are a crossfitter or cardio monkey, thats fine, being muscular is not everyones fitness goal, some just life to stay lean and fit and healthy, thats absolutely fine, everyone is different, but i dont think you show any class or earn any right to criticise people that do spend their life dedicated to building a better body.
I'm sorry, but are you suggesting that the physique of pro bodybuilders or even OP's (if that's him in the picture) can be achieved naturally? Does his body naturally produce tren? Let's be real y'all.
My main issue with *some* body builders (as i consider myself a bodybuilder and i'm so passionate about fitness that i work in this field as my profession) is that SOME PEOPLE become consumed with achieving anything "at all costs". I'm not opposed to someone using, some people have naturally higher test, older men continue to have lower levels over time, etc. etc. etc. but let's be real... once you cross over the general range of what's genetically possible you are not *natural* anymore and you don't "look natural" anymore either. Fair enough, that's your body, do what you want with it.
But, is it really so strange to get looks? For people to be shocked or surprised? For people to find you unattractive and/or fake looking? I don't think so. It's like when a woman has had a LOT of plastic surgery; some people can't help but look or be repulsed. That doesn't make people bad or you bad for choosing to look a certain way.
In summary; if you cross over the point of "I want to build my body into it's best possible physique" into rich piana territory you shouldn't be complaining when others stare/make assumptions/aren't a fan/aren't attracted to you.10 -
Re: Judgement Free Zone
It's like Freedom of Speech in reverse. Freedom of speech means the government can't tell you to shut up. But other citizens can. Judgement free zone means other customers can't judge you, but management reserves the right.
That being said, I find nothing wrong with it. You can easily follow the PF rules and still be a bodybuilder. Get over yourself, or find a different gym.5 -
rainbowbow wrote: »I cant say ive ever felt any despise on here amongst members, in the whole its a very supportive place, and i've never had any derogatory comments.
Some small minded people, when they see you have muscle, immediately assume you do steroids, those people are the ones that dont realise it takes years if hard work in the gym and eating right, purely because they dont do it themselves.
@IVMay - its quite amusing how you spout off about bodybuilders traps and delts and their lack of this and that - judging by the look of you, you are a crossfitter or cardio monkey, thats fine, being muscular is not everyones fitness goal, some just life to stay lean and fit and healthy, thats absolutely fine, everyone is different, but i dont think you show any class or earn any right to criticise people that do spend their life dedicated to building a better body.
I'm sorry, but are you suggesting that the physique of pro bodybuilders or even OP's (if that's him in the picture) can be achieved naturally? Does his body naturally produce tren? Let's be real y'all.
My main issue with *some* body builders (as i consider myself a bodybuilder and i'm so passionate about fitness that i work in this field as my profession) is that SOME PEOPLE become consumed with achieving anything "at all costs". I'm not opposed to someone using, some people have naturally higher test, older men continue to have lower levels over time, etc. etc. etc. but let's be real... once you cross over the general range of what's genetically possible you are not *natural* anymore and you don't "look natural" anymore either. Fair enough, that's your body, do what you want with it.
But, is it really so strange to get looks? For people to be shocked or surprised? For people to find you unattractive and/or fake looking? I don't think so. It's like when a woman has had a LOT of plastic surgery; some people can't help but look or be repulsed. That doesn't make people bad or you bad for choosing to look a certain way.
In summary; if you cross over the point of "I want to build my body into it's best possible physique" into rich piana territory you shouldn't be complaining when others stare/make assumptions/aren't a fan/aren't attracted to you.
"Whatever it takes, right babe?
Gddddammmit!"
Edit: quoted as usual Piana type expression; before a certain someone who has been on my case flagging everything possible to instigate a ban. Sigh.
Pretty much agree with what you said. But to be fair it's so opinion based that what might be a good physique for one person may be OTT for another. Generally I'm of the opinion that people like Frank Zane, Chris Dickerson, Sammir Banout, Danny Padilla, even up to Lee Haney where I think it kind of become more like a size game pageant...
A lot of TV/films from the 70/80/early 90's era didn't really focus on their action heros having herculean type physiques. The shift towards size and musculature has really changed so much as to what is considered the norm. Personally I'm a fan of it from being into that gym culture years ago but alas studies and work took over and then laziness and going out too much doing silly things... This time around it's about functionality and health wayso more than aesthetics.0 -
rainbowbow wrote: »I cant say ive ever felt any despise on here amongst members, in the whole its a very supportive place, and i've never had any derogatory comments.
Some small minded people, when they see you have muscle, immediately assume you do steroids, those people are the ones that dont realise it takes years if hard work in the gym and eating right, purely because they dont do it themselves.
@IVMay - its quite amusing how you spout off about bodybuilders traps and delts and their lack of this and that - judging by the look of you, you are a crossfitter or cardio monkey, thats fine, being muscular is not everyones fitness goal, some just life to stay lean and fit and healthy, thats absolutely fine, everyone is different, but i dont think you show any class or earn any right to criticise people that do spend their life dedicated to building a better body.
I'm sorry, but are you suggesting that the physique of pro bodybuilders or even OP's (if that's him in the picture) can be achieved naturally? Does his body naturally produce tren? Let's be real y'all.
My main issue with *some* body builders (as i consider myself a bodybuilder and i'm so passionate about fitness that i work in this field as my profession) is that SOME PEOPLE become consumed with achieving anything "at all costs". I'm not opposed to someone using, some people have naturally higher test, older men continue to have lower levels over time, etc. etc. etc. but let's be real... once you cross over the general range of what's genetically possible you are not *natural* anymore and you don't "look natural" anymore either. Fair enough, that's your body, do what you want with it.
But, is it really so strange to get looks? For people to be shocked or surprised? For people to find you unattractive and/or fake looking? I don't think so. It's like when a woman has had a LOT of plastic surgery; some people can't help but look or be repulsed. That doesn't make people bad or you bad for choosing to look a certain way.
In summary; if you cross over the point of "I want to build my body into it's best possible physique" into rich piana territory you shouldn't be complaining when others stare/make assumptions/aren't a fan/aren't attracted to you.
"Whatever it takes, right babe?
Gddddammmit!"
Edit: quoted as usual Piana type expression; before a certain someone who has been on my case flagging everything possible to instigate a ban. Sigh.
Pretty much agree with what you said. But to be fair it's so opinion based that what might be a good physique for one person may be OTT for another. Generally I'm of the opinion that people like Frank Zane, Chris Dickerson, Sammir Banout, Danny Padilla, even up to Lee Haney where I think it kind of become more like a size game pageant...
A lot of TV/films from the 70/80/early 90's era didn't really focus on their action heros having herculean type physiques. The shift towards size and musculature has really changed so much as to what is considered the norm. Personally I'm a fan of it from being into that gym culture years ago but alas studies and work took over and then laziness and going out too much doing silly things... This time around it's about functionality and health wayso more than aesthetics.
I thought this was well known?
Anyways, we all have our preference for physiques, but even back in the day these "natural" bodybuilders were probably *ALSO* considered freaks of nature to the average person. It's all about perspective. The more over the line of normalcy anyone looks in any respect will garner more attention (negative AND positive). 2 -
rainbowbow wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »I cant say ive ever felt any despise on here amongst members, in the whole its a very supportive place, and i've never had any derogatory comments.
Some small minded people, when they see you have muscle, immediately assume you do steroids, those people are the ones that dont realise it takes years if hard work in the gym and eating right, purely because they dont do it themselves.
@IVMay - its quite amusing how you spout off about bodybuilders traps and delts and their lack of this and that - judging by the look of you, you are a crossfitter or cardio monkey, thats fine, being muscular is not everyones fitness goal, some just life to stay lean and fit and healthy, thats absolutely fine, everyone is different, but i dont think you show any class or earn any right to criticise people that do spend their life dedicated to building a better body.
I'm sorry, but are you suggesting that the physique of pro bodybuilders or even OP's (if that's him in the picture) can be achieved naturally? Does his body naturally produce tren? Let's be real y'all.
My main issue with *some* body builders (as i consider myself a bodybuilder and i'm so passionate about fitness that i work in this field as my profession) is that SOME PEOPLE become consumed with achieving anything "at all costs". I'm not opposed to someone using, some people have naturally higher test, older men continue to have lower levels over time, etc. etc. etc. but let's be real... once you cross over the general range of what's genetically possible you are not *natural* anymore and you don't "look natural" anymore either. Fair enough, that's your body, do what you want with it.
But, is it really so strange to get looks? For people to be shocked or surprised? For people to find you unattractive and/or fake looking? I don't think so. It's like when a woman has had a LOT of plastic surgery; some people can't help but look or be repulsed. That doesn't make people bad or you bad for choosing to look a certain way.
In summary; if you cross over the point of "I want to build my body into it's best possible physique" into rich piana territory you shouldn't be complaining when others stare/make assumptions/aren't a fan/aren't attracted to you.
"Whatever it takes, right babe?
Gddddammmit!"
Edit: quoted as usual Piana type expression; before a certain someone who has been on my case flagging everything possible to instigate a ban. Sigh.
Pretty much agree with what you said. But to be fair it's so opinion based that what might be a good physique for one person may be OTT for another. Generally I'm of the opinion that people like Frank Zane, Chris Dickerson, Sammir Banout, Danny Padilla, even up to Lee Haney where I think it kind of become more like a size game pageant...
A lot of TV/films from the 70/80/early 90's era didn't really focus on their action heros having herculean type physiques. The shift towards size and musculature has really changed so much as to what is considered the norm. Personally I'm a fan of it from being into that gym culture years ago but alas studies and work took over and then laziness and going out too much doing silly things... This time around it's about functionality and health wayso more than aesthetics.
I thought this was well known?
Anyways, we all have our preference for physiques, but even back in the day these "natural" bodybuilders were probably *ALSO* considered freaks of nature to the average person. It's all about perspective. The more over the line of normalcy anyone looks in any respect will garner more attention (negative AND positive).
Yes it is well known - but I'm sure you're aware how.... err.... well how some people seem to operate, to put it mildly.
I feel quite content in my real life. Bitterness and resentment seems to be nonexistent. Have been quite lucky.
Oh yeah back to the point I assume Piana also feels quite lucky - it works for him and all that PMAA seems to sit nicely with the tattoos hiding the vascularity and possible lack of striations/fibres. Yeah you're right with them being considered freaks in those days. It was like the circus was coming into town people like Tom Platz and Dave Draper, Lou Ferrigno etc all eating out together and ordering 3 times what a normal person would eat in steak (edit) etc. As if it was ancient Rome and the gladiators had come to town I think is one expression used.
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