Who watched "fat sick and nearly dead"?
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Uh no, weight loss was DIRECTLY because the juice was way less calories than what he was eating. That's basic CICO. And weight is the NUMBER ONE risk factor for health issues. Lowering weight automatically reduces risk for anyone.GirlPanda03 wrote: »gamerbabe14 wrote: »He lost weight because he ate less calories, not because of juice.
True but he said the juice fast rebooted his system and cleared out years of toxins that made him feel awful. His main focus in doing a juice fast wasn't to lose weight - it was to deal with his health problems, namely chronic Urticaria. The weight loss was kind of a side effect. He went from feeling very unhealthy and having pain from the Urticaria to feeling energetic, healthy and no longer requiring medication.
The body doesn't store "toxins". Toxins are poisonous. If you have a poison in your body, you go to the hospital. You don't drink some juice concoction and hope you don't die from getting poison in your system.
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GirlPanda03 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GirlPanda03 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Not eating isn't going to eliminate "toxins" from your body. Fasting for a few days isn't going to be harmful for the average person, but there's no evidence it is helpful either. And yes, if you lose weight due to a fast, you will gain it back quickly when you begin eating again.
IIRC, "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead 2" is about the same guy trying to lose the weight that he regained.
That's not quite right. The guy who did Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead was Joe Cross. In it he helped another man, Phil, to do a juice fast and get much healthier. In Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead 2 we find out that Phil regained the weight as he went back to old habits and was also an emotional eater. Joe has stayed very fit and healthy and still does juice fasts.
Thank you for the clarification. At the end of the day, losing weight through juicing doesn't seem as if it is that sustainable.
The juicing is to reboot your system, get all the crap out that's been building up for years, and give your body the nutrition it needs to regain health/balance. Once you've done that, you can introduce healthy foods. Although he did the detox for about 60 days, other people did it for a week or 10 days and found it made a huge difference. There are some people who juice but also eat raw vegetables and fruit - so not a complete fast but only eating raw healthy foods along with lots of green juice - which can be recommended if you have chronic health problems or want a less extreme approach. If I remember rightly, in the second film Joe says he eats some processed foods now, and he's able to do that without negative consequences because he cleared his whole system out. Juice rebooting is something I'm still considering as I'd like to detox, although it's apparently not recommended for people with M.E. and Fibromyalgia. I have a friend with M.E. who tried it and was in chronic pain by day 4. I guess it's up to eat individual, and if I was doing it I'd likely eat food as well.
IMHO it's just a 'magic feather' that people can grasp and follow. The body detoxes just as well with all the solid food diets. That said, Dumbo needed the feather in the beginning, till his confidence improved. The problem with magic feathers is making the transition to not using them.14 -
GirlPanda03 wrote: »The juicing is to reboot your system, get all the crap out that's been building up for years, and give your body the nutrition it needs to regain health/balance....
How exactly does one "reboot" their system? We're not computers. And did he specifically name exactly what the "crap" is that builds up in your system for years? If that were the case, it would mean that your liver and kidneys have failed and you'd need dialysis. This question has been asked of every detox advocate on MFP ever, and not a single one has ever been able to name even ONE specific "toxin" that a detox has been scientifically shown to remove from your body.
Additionally, as stevencloser referred to above, where are the essential fats and protein your body needs for good nutrition? Both are essential for many functions in the body and a diet without them is FAR from "healthy".
I know you probably won't bother to read them, but for anybody else reading the thread and considering whether or not they should do a detox/cleanse, here are two very informative science/evidence-based articles which clearly show that detoxing/cleansing/rebooting is a bunch of worthless BS:
https://sciencebasedpharmacy.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/the-detox-delusion/
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-detox-scam-how-to-spot-it-and-how-to-avoid-it/6 -
So I watched the first one yesterday, and I'm watching the second one now. They're actually really interesting. The nutritionist says flat out that a 60-day juice cleanse is extreme and is definitely not recommended by any stretch of the imagination, which the host agreed with.
I think the point is to go cold-turkey on things like sugars, refined carbs, fast food, and junk. The juicing itself is secondary. The main thing is to brute force your way through cravings and the will-power-leeching habits of the first couple weeks of any new WOE. Which is easier if you're only drinking a melange of fruits and veg.
The second one (so far) is less about extreme measures and more about maintaining healthy, sustainable habits - which one of the subjects of the first film was able to do with some success, and one of the subjects was not. And they go into why that is - importance of community, predominantly.
Juice cleanse - not necessary, definitely needs doctor supervision, very extreme
Getting most of your nutrition from fruits and veg, and to a lesser extent animal products, and cutting out junk foods and processed foods - pretty good idea5 -
GirlPanda03 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GirlPanda03 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Not eating isn't going to eliminate "toxins" from your body. Fasting for a few days isn't going to be harmful for the average person, but there's no evidence it is helpful either. And yes, if you lose weight due to a fast, you will gain it back quickly when you begin eating again.
IIRC, "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead 2" is about the same guy trying to lose the weight that he regained.
That's not quite right. The guy who did Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead was Joe Cross. In it he helped another man, Phil, to do a juice fast and get much healthier. In Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead 2 we find out that Phil regained the weight as he went back to old habits and was also an emotional eater. Joe has stayed very fit and healthy and still does juice fasts.
Thank you for the clarification. At the end of the day, losing weight through juicing doesn't seem as if it is that sustainable.
The juicing is to reboot your system, get all the crap out that's been building up for years, and give your body the nutrition it needs to regain health/balance. Once you've done that, you can introduce healthy foods. Although he did the detox for about 60 days, other people did it for a week or 10 days and found it made a huge difference. ...........
If I remember rightly, in the second film Joe says he eats some processed foods now, and he's able to do that without negative consequences because he cleared his whole system out.
I have lived for over half a century and never gone on a juice fast nor rebooted my system nor detoxed 50 years of crap nor cleared whole system out in any other way - and, amazingly, my body has never needed to regain health or balance.
I can even eat some processed foods without any negative consequences
I must be a very special snowflake not to need any of that nonsense oops,help .
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Avocado_Angel wrote: »I watched 1 & 2 after seeing this post yesterday and it does look like there is something in it. A lot of people who were on loads of meds for various health conditions were able to completely get off their meds, their conditions had vastly improved one guy beat diabetes as well I thought that was pretty amazing.
Unsure if I could actually juice for 60 days but I might give it a try some time
You might wanna go read the Success Stories forum here for a while first.
Many people have used MFP, often but not always in conjunction with changes in exercise activity, to lose weight in a sensible way, get off most or all their meds, and - bonus - do it by learning to eat in healthy ways they can continue for the rest of their lives, to stay healthy & off meds permanently.
While my story is less dramatic, I did avoid the statins my doc had been threatening, bring my triglycerides/cholesterol from very high to solidly normal, and take my blood pressure from pre-hypertensive to low-normal, simply by losing 60 pounds . . . without a single day of juice fast.
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Avocado_Angel wrote: »
Unfortunately for some people the only way to get them to be healthier or think about thier health is through gimmicky stuff like this
Sadly this is true - "eat fewer calories than you burn" just seems too simple for many people. It's like they feel the need to punish themselves, or test their resolve in order to lose weight. Unfortunately this usually leads to a week or two of extreme focus and some success followed by a month of "I can't take it anymore" and returning to old habits. Until the next book/documentary/website shows up.6 -
RedfootDaddy wrote: »So I watched the first one yesterday, and I'm watching the second one now. They're actually really interesting. The nutritionist says flat out that a 60-day juice cleanse is extreme and is definitely not recommended by any stretch of the imagination, which the host agreed with.
I think the point is to go cold-turkey on things like sugars, refined carbs, fast food, and junk. The juicing itself is secondary. The main thing is to brute force your way through cravings and the will-power-leeching habits of the first couple weeks of any new WOE. Which is easier if you're only drinking a melange of fruits and veg.
The second one (so far) is less about extreme measures and more about maintaining healthy, sustainable habits - which one of the subjects of the first film was able to do with some success, and one of the subjects was not. And they go into why that is - importance of community, predominantly.
Juice cleanse - not necessary, definitely needs doctor supervision, very extreme
Getting most of your nutrition from fruits and veg, and to a lesser extent animal products, and cutting out junk foods and processed foods - pretty good idea
If the goal is to lose weight there's no need to go cold turkey on anything, unless it's a food type you seriously can't control your intake of. But it's not a good idea to demonize sugar/carbs/fast food as pure junk. It all can be fit into a diet that allows you to continue to enjoy food you like while losing weight.3 -
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In learning more about the benefits of having a diet loaded with fruits, nuts, weeds, and seeds, I caught wind of Joe Cross' documentary. I thought that it was a pretty neat view of how juicing can help ones health. What really impressed me is that what he promotes matches some things I learned about juicing from a doctor who specializes in alternative medicine.
In my teens during the late '90's I would drive my grandmother to health seminars hosted by the doctor. However, being the typical know-it-all teen that I was, I didn't think much of her teaching. As a more sensible(-ish) adult, I found that what the doctor taught was also covered in the documentary. I wonder what other gems went over my head back then.
*shrug* Spilled milk. Anyway, I drank the punch and bought a juicer.
I'm not going to weigh in on juice fasting. Still, if anything, juicing as a part of a normal diet can be an easy way to get larger portions of fruit and veggie nutrients into your diet. In my experience, drinking those nutrients is often much easier than eating them. For example, I don't like eating beets, but I can hide their flavor in a drink using a few slices of fruit. Another benefit I've found is that juicing is much cheaper than buying the bottled stuff from the local grocer -- that is, if you buy them often. I paid about $100 a couple of years ago for my juicer. Considering that I have probably consumed my weight in veggies a few times over since then, I've made up the $100 with the money I've saved.
Give it a shot.5 -
RedfootDaddy wrote: »So I watched the first one yesterday, and I'm watching the second one now. They're actually really interesting. The nutritionist says flat out that a 60-day juice cleanse is extreme and is definitely not recommended by any stretch of the imagination, which the host agreed with.
I think the point is to go cold-turkey on things like sugars, refined carbs, fast food, and junk. The juicing itself is secondary. The main thing is to brute force your way through cravings and the will-power-leeching habits of the first couple weeks of any new WOE. Which is easier if you're only drinking a melange of fruits and veg.
The second one (so far) is less about extreme measures and more about maintaining healthy, sustainable habits - which one of the subjects of the first film was able to do with some success, and one of the subjects was not. And they go into why that is - importance of community, predominantly.
Juice cleanse - not necessary, definitely needs doctor supervision, very extreme
Getting most of your nutrition from fruits and veg, and to a lesser extent animal products, and cutting out junk foods and processed foods - pretty good idea
Why do you think this is necessary thought? There's nothing wrong with sugar, refined carbs, fast food etc, as long as you're fitting it into your calorie goals and are including them as part of a well balanced, nutrient dense diet.
I'm 4 years into successful maintenance, (which makes me a statistical freak of nature
), and I eat a mostly whole foods, plant based diet, (I average 800g-1,000g of veg/fruit every day). I also eat fast food 1-2 times a week, eat foods with added sugar, eat chili-cheese Fritos every.single.day etc. I'm in fantastic health by every health marker/blood work test my dr. uses. If I had tried cutting out all the things I enjoyed eating, because of arbitrarily labeling some foods 'bad' and some foods 'good/clean' I would have failed at this whole thing long term. 2 -
Another new documentary released this past march very similar to that is: What the Health1
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RedfootDaddy wrote: »So I watched the first one yesterday, and I'm watching the second one now. They're actually really interesting. The nutritionist says flat out that a 60-day juice cleanse is extreme and is definitely not recommended by any stretch of the imagination, which the host agreed with.
I think the point is to go cold-turkey on things like sugars, refined carbs, fast food, and junk. The juicing itself is secondary. The main thing is to brute force your way through cravings and the will-power-leeching habits of the first couple weeks of any new WOE. Which is easier if you're only drinking a melange of fruits and veg.
The second one (so far) is less about extreme measures and more about maintaining healthy, sustainable habits - which one of the subjects of the first film was able to do with some success, and one of the subjects was not. And they go into why that is - importance of community, predominantly.
Juice cleanse - not necessary, definitely needs doctor supervision, very extreme
Getting most of your nutrition from fruits and veg, and to a lesser extent animal products, and cutting out junk foods and processed foods - pretty good idea
To the bolded:
So the idea is that it's easier to do something difficult and probably unnecessary (*) if one does something extreme (that risks under-nutrition) at the same time?
OK, not really the way human psychology and the human body typically work . . . but whatever, I guess.
(* By "probably unnecessary", I don't mean to imply that if someone Is eating junk, they should keep eating junk.
What I mean is that I found it pretty manageable to gradually improve my eating by logging, reviewing the log, and tweaking the timing and macro composition of my eating to improve nutrition and get rid of dysfunctional cravings.
Now, in weight maintenance, I'm eating less than I used to, but with better nutrition and more satisfaction. Hard to beat that!)3 -
I probably should have done this, instead my blood pressure is through the roof.2 -
RedfootDaddy wrote: »So I watched the first one yesterday, and I'm watching the second one now. They're actually really interesting. The nutritionist says flat out that a 60-day juice cleanse is extreme and is definitely not recommended by any stretch of the imagination, which the host agreed with.
I think the point is to go cold-turkey on things like sugars, refined carbs, fast food, and junk. The juicing itself is secondary. The main thing is to brute force your way through cravings and the will-power-leeching habits of the first couple weeks of any new WOE. Which is easier if you're only drinking a melange of fruits and veg.
The second one (so far) is less about extreme measures and more about maintaining healthy, sustainable habits - which one of the subjects of the first film was able to do with some success, and one of the subjects was not. And they go into why that is - importance of community, predominantly.
Juice cleanse - not necessary, definitely needs doctor supervision, very extreme
Getting most of your nutrition from fruits and veg, and to a lesser extent animal products, and cutting out junk foods and processed foods - pretty good idea
How do you go cold-turkey on sugar when you're consuming mostly fruit all day? You do realize fruit has sugar in it, right?11 -
If you are still not sold on FSAND, then go on YouTube and watch 'Super Juice Me'. I think the results speak for themselves.
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http://www.livescience.com/35561-5-experts-answer-juice-cleanse.html
"I have not been able to find any scientific evidence that juice fasting does anything specifically beneficial. It is good to eat fruit and vegetables. To the extent that they are in juice , that is a good thing; however, the same ingredients would equally be beneficial if they were solid and chewed and not juiced. The teeth and the stomach are great juicers. They turn what you eat into juice and you digest it anyway. Pre-juicing food is great for people who find juice pleasurable. The "cleanse and detoxify" idea is nonsense, except that a juice fast includes abstaining from nicotine or alcohol. Nicotine is toxic and so, in excess, is alcohol. It is good to avoid ingestion of toxins. The body, however, is not dirty inside and in need of cleansing. If you believe in evidence-based interventions, this one has no purpose. If you believe in shamanism and faith-healing, it's as good as any other form in that genre."
- Dr. Michael Gershon, professor and chairman of the Department of Pathology & Cell Biology at Columbia University Medical Center
http://www.fitmole.org/juicing-diets/
http://www.livescience.com/48941-juice-cleanses-fact-fiction.html
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What it highlighted for me was the power of healthy eating. I was a junk food junkie for a long time, I've found since i've started eating more vegetables, fruit and ate more healthily i feel so much better physically- my energy levels are so much better. That being said, i would never have a juice fast. I've just increased my intake of healthy foods and decreased the not so healthy ones.
We're all individuals, and what works for one person may not work for another. If fasting and juicing works for you, then great. Do it. If not, then walk the other way.4 -
People have managed to reverse Type 2 diabates, haven't they? Especially where it's mild and caught fairly early.stevencloser wrote: »Avocado_Angel wrote: »I watched 1 & 2 after seeing this post yesterday and it does look like there is something in it. A lot of people who were on loads of meds for various health conditions were able to completely get off their meds, their conditions had vastly improved one guy beat diabetes as well I thought that was pretty amazing.
Unsure if I could actually juice for 60 days but I might give it a try some time
You don't beat diabetes, you deal with it.
I don't know that juice fasts are the way to do it though.2 -
People have managed to reverse Type 2 diabates, haven't they? Especially where it's mild and caught fairly early.stevencloser wrote: »Avocado_Angel wrote: »I watched 1 & 2 after seeing this post yesterday and it does look like there is something in it. A lot of people who were on loads of meds for various health conditions were able to completely get off their meds, their conditions had vastly improved one guy beat diabetes as well I thought that was pretty amazing.
Unsure if I could actually juice for 60 days but I might give it a try some time
You don't beat diabetes, you deal with it.
I don't know that juice fasts are the way to do it though.
Reverse diabetes but not cure it. That's the point. It's still there lurking.1 -
I guess it depends on what is meant by "cure". It's something the medical community debates.Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »
People have managed to reverse Type 2 diabates, haven't they? Especially where it's mild and caught fairly early.stevencloser wrote: »Avocado_Angel wrote: »I watched 1 & 2 after seeing this post yesterday and it does look like there is something in it. A lot of people who were on loads of meds for various health conditions were able to completely get off their meds, their conditions had vastly improved one guy beat diabetes as well I thought that was pretty amazing.
Unsure if I could actually juice for 60 days but I might give it a try some time
You don't beat diabetes, you deal with it.
I don't know that juice fasts are the way to do it though.
Reverse diabetes but not cure it. That's the point. It's still there lurking.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2768219/4 -
I guess it depends on what is meant by "cure". It's something the medical community debates.Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »
People have managed to reverse Type 2 diabates, haven't they? Especially where it's mild and caught fairly early.stevencloser wrote: »Avocado_Angel wrote: »I watched 1 & 2 after seeing this post yesterday and it does look like there is something in it. A lot of people who were on loads of meds for various health conditions were able to completely get off their meds, their conditions had vastly improved one guy beat diabetes as well I thought that was pretty amazing.
Unsure if I could actually juice for 60 days but I might give it a try some time
You don't beat diabetes, you deal with it.
I don't know that juice fasts are the way to do it though.
Reverse diabetes but not cure it. That's the point. It's still there lurking.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2768219/
Prolonged remission. That's my take from the link. Doesn't sound like cure to me.
But whatever, you can't let your guard down. Keep the weight down and exercise everyday, diabetes will be in prolonged remission. Or cure for you! Yay!1 -
I guess it depends on what is meant by "cure". It's something the medical community debates.Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »
People have managed to reverse Type 2 diabates, haven't they? Especially where it's mild and caught fairly early.stevencloser wrote: »Avocado_Angel wrote: »I watched 1 & 2 after seeing this post yesterday and it does look like there is something in it. A lot of people who were on loads of meds for various health conditions were able to completely get off their meds, their conditions had vastly improved one guy beat diabetes as well I thought that was pretty amazing.
Unsure if I could actually juice for 60 days but I might give it a try some time
You don't beat diabetes, you deal with it.
I don't know that juice fasts are the way to do it though.
Reverse diabetes but not cure it. That's the point. It's still there lurking.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2768219/
It's more like remission than cure.
Edit: http://www.joslin.org/info/will_diabetes_go_away.htmljoslin wrote:Patients diagnosed with type 2 diabetes may discover that if they are overweight at diagnosis and then lose weight and begin regular physical activity, their blood glucose returns to normal. Does this mean diabetes has disappeared? No. The development of type 2 diabetes is a gradual process, too, in which the body becomes unable to produce enough insulin for its needs and/or the body's cells become resistant to insulin's effects. Gradually the patient goes from having "impaired glucose tolerance" — a decreased but still adequate ability to convert food into energy — to having "diabetes."
If the patient were to gain weight back or scale back on their physical activity program, high blood glucose would return. If they were to overeat at a meal, their blood glucose probably would continue to go higher than someone without diabetes. Also, the decreased insulin production and/or increased insulin resistance that led to the initial diabetes diagnosis will gradually intensify over the years and during periods of stress. In time, the patient who could maintain normal blood glucose with diet and exercise alone may discover that he or she needs to add oral diabetes medications — or perhaps even insulin injections — to keep blood glucose in a healthy range.3 -
MikeyM1982 wrote: »If you are still not sold on FSAND, then go on YouTube and watch 'Super Juice Me'. I think the results speak for themselves.
Am 3 years into maitenance now - will stick to my long term results from (boring, I know) simple plan of Eat less, move more ( and logging to monitor this)
No fancy supplements, no food restrictions, no detoxing - just eat less calories, burn more calories, consume a basicly balanced diet.
But, as stated before, I am a very special snowflake, I don't think my plan will work for everyone.
Oh wait......
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Not sold. Go to a state prison. Crappest food ever. Inmates eat it for DECADES. They aren't dying off fast enough from it. Oh and some are really jacked and lean. The obesity rate in penitentiaries are pretty much non existent. For one main reason.............................inmates don't have the FREEDOM to overeat.MikeyM1982 wrote: »If you are still not sold on FSAND, then go on YouTube and watch 'Super Juice Me'. I think the results speak for themselves.
Feel free to try to counter that.
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RedfootDaddy wrote: »So I watched the first one yesterday, and I'm watching the second one now. They're actually really interesting. The nutritionist says flat out that a 60-day juice cleanse is extreme and is definitely not recommended by any stretch of the imagination, which the host agreed with.
I think the point is to go cold-turkey on things like sugars, refined carbs, fast food, and junk. The juicing itself is secondary. The main thing is to brute force your way through cravings and the will-power-leeching habits of the first couple weeks of any new WOE. Which is easier if you're only drinking a melange of fruits and veg.
The second one (so far) is less about extreme measures and more about maintaining healthy, sustainable habits - which one of the subjects of the first film was able to do with some success, and one of the subjects was not. And they go into why that is - importance of community, predominantly.
Juice cleanse - not necessary, definitely needs doctor supervision, very extreme
Getting most of your nutrition from fruits and veg, and to a lesser extent animal products, and cutting out junk foods and processed foods - pretty good idea
Thanks for this. It's the first thing that made me think the movies might be okay and even worth watching, and not spreading ridiculous ideas. I pretty much agree with what you say here.
One thing that annoys me about what one hears about it, at least -- and we see it on this thread -- is the idea that "detoxing" is necessary or a thing. If what they mean is breaking bad habits or dealing with cravings, I still think there are better ways to do it. For example, I fundamentally changed my diet around 30 (I had given up fast food before because I just lost my taste for it as an adult, and it was never a significant part of my diet anyway). I went from relying a lot on going out (good restaurants, but still), ordering in, making quick things like packaged rice and beans (I'd add vegetables), eating muffins or bagels for breakfast to really learning to cook and making all of my own food, with vegetables a huge part of the total (I became a green market junky). What I found was I tended to crave what I ate. Because I changed my diet my tastes changed and I started craving different things. I suspect this sort of thing is actually more effective than a cold turkey drink only juice (which is not sustainable over time) period. I bet a lot of people afterwards go back to old ways. And I personally find that when I merely cut something out I can miss it more (i.e., I cut out meat during Lent and was REALLY wanting it by Easter).
Another thing that bugs me is the idea that fat people must eat terrible diets and can't be expected to just switch to a lower cal nutrient dense one, but need some kind of "detox." This time when I lost weight (15 years after the original diet change discussed above), I ate a pretty good diet. And don't get me started on the idea that fat people must be obsessed with packaged candy and fast food, etc.
Finally, I think I dislike the juice cleanse hype so because people seem to think there's something magical about drinking veg and fruit rather than eating them or perhaps vegetables don't seem interested if you just eat a lot as part of a regular diet (as I would recommend). Sometimes people admit they don't really like veg, so this is their only way to consume many, but if so I think that's a shame and something to work on, not something to promote.
Okay, one more thing: I also think it's sad that people have such messed up understandings of what a good diet is and assume only vegetables is best (or not chewing food is best). Protein and fat are important.4 -
GirlPanda03 wrote: »The juicing is to reboot your system, get all the crap out that's been building up for years, and give your body the nutrition it needs to regain health/balance....
How exactly does one "reboot" their system? We're not computers. And did he specifically name exactly what the "crap" is that builds up in your system for years? If that were the case, it would mean that your liver and kidneys have failed and you'd need dialysis. This question has been asked of every detox advocate on MFP ever, and not a single one has ever been able to name even ONE specific "toxin" that a detox has been scientifically shown to remove from your body.
Additionally, as stevencloser referred to above, where are the essential fats and protein your body needs for good nutrition? Both are essential for many functions in the body and a diet without them is FAR from "healthy".
I know you probably won't bother to read them, but for anybody else reading the thread and considering whether or not they should do a detox/cleanse, here are two very informative science/evidence-based articles which clearly show that detoxing/cleansing/rebooting is a bunch of worthless BS:
https://sciencebasedpharmacy.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/the-detox-delusion/
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-detox-scam-how-to-spot-it-and-how-to-avoid-it/
QFT and awesomeness. You never fail to deliver an awesome post @Anvil_Head
@lemurcat12 fantastic post as usual.
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It's kinda sad to watch everyone talking past each other. FSAND only claims it's a magic feather that can help some people get to a healthier life style, it certainly doesn't claim it's the only path there, or that it's sufficient by itself (juicing).4
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"The juicing is to reboot your system, get all the crap out that's been building up for years, and give your body the nutrition it needs to regain health/balance. Once you've done that, you can introduce healthy foods."
I read a lot of posts about "rebooting your system" and "getting the crap out."I like to examine all the facts of any controversy, and I often see people ridiculing these two statements. I am very curious, for the people who believe in these two things, what exactly is a "reboot" of your body – – I mean really specifically. I understand "reboot" in terms of my computer, but I don't understand it in terms of my body. Also I need to know what is the "crap" and how is it coming out? I mean, are you talking about pooping until your colon is empty? Or somehow filtering your blood and if so what's coming out of it and where is it going? Is it eliminating the environmental toxins that we hold in our fat cells? And how is it coming out of the fat cells and where is it going? These are the things that I need to know, and I suspect other people need to know, with regard to these two things. If anyone has an answer based in science I would love to hear it.
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GirlPanda03 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GirlPanda03 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Not eating isn't going to eliminate "toxins" from your body. Fasting for a few days isn't going to be harmful for the average person, but there's no evidence it is helpful either. And yes, if you lose weight due to a fast, you will gain it back quickly when you begin eating again.
IIRC, "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead 2" is about the same guy trying to lose the weight that he regained.
That's not quite right. The guy who did Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead was Joe Cross. In it he helped another man, Phil, to do a juice fast and get much healthier. In Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead 2 we find out that Phil regained the weight as he went back to old habits and was also an emotional eater. Joe has stayed very fit and healthy and still does juice fasts.
Thank you for the clarification. At the end of the day, losing weight through juicing doesn't seem as if it is that sustainable.
The juicing is to reboot your system, get all the crap out that's been building up for years, and give your body the nutrition it needs to regain health/balance. Once you've done that, you can introduce healthy foods. Although he did the detox for about 60 days, other people did it for a week or 10 days and found it made a huge difference. There are some people who juice but also eat raw vegetables and fruit - so not a complete fast but only eating raw healthy foods along with lots of green juice - which can be recommended if you have chronic health problems or want a less extreme approach. If I remember rightly, in the second film Joe says he eats some processed foods now, and he's able to do that without negative consequences because he cleared his whole system out. Juice rebooting is something I'm still considering as I'd like to detox, although it's apparently not recommended for people with M.E. and Fibromyalgia. I have a friend with M.E. who tried it and was in chronic pain by day 4. I guess it's up to eat individual, and if I was doing it I'd likely eat food as well.
Our bodies don't need "rebooting." We're not computers.7
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