Carbquik and Low Carb
bicycleespresso
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Do folks out there who use items such as carbquik still able to lose weight by using it? I'm so afraid that it's still a "bread" that it will make me gain weight. It's in my mind, I know. I've dropped 19lbs in 3 1/2 weeks and want to keep it going. I don't want it to stall but want to use other options like carbquik. Any experiences?
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Carbs don't make you fat as long as you control for calories.5
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If carbquik helps you stay at a calorie deficit you won't gain weight. Bread doesn't make you gain weight....too many calories do.
19 pounds in 3.5 weeks is really aggressive. Water weight "whoosh" with a low carb diet is part of that, but unless you are really overweight that's a faster than is safe. How many calories are you eating?3 -
1200-1500 calories and yes I'm overweight. I'm 230 now, trying to hit 180. I've counted calories before and it didn't really do anything to help. I was hitting over 200 carbs a day, sometimes more. Now I don't count calories and I can stay within a 1200-1600 area with a under 40 carbs per day.1
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And I would have to disagree. Carbs absolutely make you fat. Most Americans are not eating carbs from Broccoli, they're eating it from Donuts and garbage.1
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bicycleespresso wrote: »And I would have to disagree. Carbs absolutely make you fat. Most Americans are not eating carbs from Broccoli, they're eating it from Donuts and garbage.
You gain weight from any foods that put you in an excess of calories. Carbs or no carbs. I eat carbs every single day and have dropped 200lbs...because I'm in a deficit.
No one food or food type makes you gain weight it's the overall calorie count that matters.9 -
bicycleespresso wrote: »And I would have to disagree. Carbs absolutely make you fat. Most Americans are not eating carbs from Broccoli, they're eating it from Donuts and garbage.
Then make an experiment of it. Eat lots of carbs and 1500 calories for a month, record weight every day. Next month eat 3000+ calories and no carbs, record weight again.
I promise you will never look at carbs the same way again.5 -
Exactly, I'm with MalkinMagic71.
It is a calorie deficit that has caused your weight loss. Really, 19 pounds in 3.5 weeks is too aggressive. You have no idea how much you're eating - so not sure how you are coming up with those calorie numbers, because common sense says you are under eating quite substantially.
Carbs don't make you fat, excess calories do.1 -
bicycleespresso wrote: »And I would have to disagree. Carbs absolutely make you fat. Most Americans are not eating carbs from Broccoli, they're eating it from Donuts and garbage.
And things like donuts don't have any fat in them, right? Fat is 9 calories per gram, carbs are 4 calories per gram - you do the math.
Carbohydrates are 4 calories per gram, whether they come from organically-raised, handpicked kale or straight out of a bag of sugar. Excess calories make you gain weight, not excess carbs. That's not even arguable, it's simple physiology.
BTW, I eat bread every single day, sometimes multiple times per day, and I'm down 65 pounds as of this morning. So if bread makes you gain weight, I guess my body missed that memo somewhere along the line.
If you don't count calories, how do you know you're staying within 1200-1600 per day?Now I don't count calories and I can stay within a 1200-1600 area with a under 40 carbs per day.5 -
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cmriverside wrote: »Exactly, I'm with MalkinMagic71.
It is a calorie deficit that has caused your weight loss. Really, 19 pounds in 3.5 weeks is too aggressive. You have no idea how much you're eating - so not sure how you are coming up with those calorie numbers, because common sense says you are under eating quite substantially.
Carbs don't make you fat, excess calories do.
19 pounds in 3.5 weeks, guaranteed most of that is water weight and not true fat loss since the OP is clearly on a low carb diet.1 -
cmriverside wrote: »Exactly, I'm with MalkinMagic71.
It is a calorie deficit that has caused your weight loss. Really, 19 pounds in 3.5 weeks is too aggressive. You have no idea how much you're eating - so not sure how you are coming up with those calorie numbers, because common sense says you are under eating quite substantially.
Carbs don't make you fat, excess calories do.
19 pounds in 3.5 weeks, guaranteed most of that is water weight and not true fat loss since the OP is clearly on a low carb diet.
Maybe five pounds of it...but that still leaves 14 pounds in three weeks and that's aggressive.0 -
cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »Exactly, I'm with MalkinMagic71.
It is a calorie deficit that has caused your weight loss. Really, 19 pounds in 3.5 weeks is too aggressive. You have no idea how much you're eating - so not sure how you are coming up with those calorie numbers, because common sense says you are under eating quite substantially.
Carbs don't make you fat, excess calories do.
19 pounds in 3.5 weeks, guaranteed most of that is water weight and not true fat loss since the OP is clearly on a low carb diet.
Maybe five pounds of it...but that still leaves 14 pounds in three weeks and that's aggressive.
OP did say he was 230 lb. 10+ lb of water weight loss within a few days of very low carb dieting can be expected at that bodyweight.
Either way, you're correct in that the calorie deficit determines fat loss. Being afraid of carbs and buying useless "carb-imitation" products like carbquik is pointless IMO. If you want a slice of bread, then eat a slice of bread. If you can't control yourself around carbs or sugar, then you will probably have the same issue with products that imitate carby foods.1 -
The PP'S have all the pertinent points covered re: CICO. As someone who lost all the weight after adopting a keto lifestyle I can tell you it's a function of the calories OP. Manipulating macro concentrations can have other effects and benefits re: health, performance and satiety but weight loss is a straight numbers game.
Regarding Carb Quick and similar products, they are not looked at positively in basically any keto circle I run in, especially for those in a cut. You can of course still lose weight eating those products but if you truly cannot live without bread and bread substitutions (which are in many ways the same when the ingredient cards are down) this may not be the WOE for you.
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I'm LCHF and diabetic.
I've never used carbquik and would be weary of it and similar products even if it doesn't drive up my blood sugar. If it's easy to overeat (stalls your weight loss), then I would avoid it or use it sparingly.
I understand eating low carb (keto) is an easy way to lose weight without counting calories. For many they reach a healthy weight without resorting to calorie counting. For some, like myself I lost a lot weight before I stalled but still had a lot more body fat to lose. So counting calories and adjusting my macros into a calorie deficit helped me get the ball rolling again.
If you ever read keto or LCHF forums you may come across people with stalled weight loss complaints and usual one of the resolution is to cut back on some fat (like bullet proof coffee or tea). Same concept less calories.1 -
bicycleespresso wrote: »1200-1500 calories and yes I'm overweight. I'm 230 now, trying to hit 180. I've counted calories before and it didn't really do anything to help. I was hitting over 200 carbs a day, sometimes more. Now I don't count calories and I can stay within a 1200-1600 area with a under 40 carbs per day.
I went from 270 to 185 (still losing) eating lots of bread.
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bicycleespresso wrote: »And I would have to disagree. Carbs absolutely make you fat. Most Americans are not eating carbs from Broccoli, they're eating it from Donuts and garbage.
The average American eats 3000 calories.... if you look at cultures like the blue zones (who are the healthiest people and longest living people in the world) their diets are 70% carbs and around 1600 calories.
Energy balance is a fundamental of weight loss. How you address that, its very personal. Even if i was low carb, i wouldnt really use a lot of substitute products. If anything id look are recipes so you know all of the ingredients.
Eta: i eat bread daily and i lost 50+ lbs so far.4 -
I have bread every single day and I'm losing weight as predicted by the amount of calories i'm eating.
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bicycleespresso wrote: »1200-1500 calories and yes I'm overweight. I'm 230 now, trying to hit 180. I've counted calories before and it didn't really do anything to help. I was hitting over 200 carbs a day, sometimes more. Now I don't count calories and I can stay within a 1200-1600 area with a under 40 carbs per day.
You might want to tell this to the vegans out there that used a high-carb, low-fat diet to lose weight. Or send this to the guys that use IIFYM to cut; I'm sure you'll make their day.bicycleespresso wrote: »And I would have to disagree. Carbs absolutely make you fat. Most Americans are not eating carbs from Broccoli, they're eating it from Donuts and garbage.
Most Americans are human vacuum cleaners that will eat anything as long as you put cheese or icing on it. You cannot possibly point to them as evidence when at the very least two-thirds of the population never counted their calories to begin with.
* Lost 50 lbs spending most of my calories on candy, bread, or noodles2 -
bicycleespresso wrote: »And I would have to disagree. Carbs absolutely make you fat. Most Americans are not eating carbs from Broccoli, they're eating it from Donuts and garbage.
Nope. Wrong. Science disagrees. Find reputable scientific proof that carbs cause weight gain in a deficit.
Excess calories make all living creatures fat. Calories are a unit of measure of energy.
If you were counting calories, you may have underestimated them. I personally have to use a food scale to weigh everything or I don't lose weight.
* daily bread eater. Lots of carbs. Almost daily chocolate and snacks. Over 100lbs down.1 -
I would probably skip it because it would lead to cravings. It may act as a trigger food.
I'm one of those people who ate bread (most days) and gained weight.
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Here's an experiment to you calorie counters. I went from 1800 to 1500 calories, same carb count....no weight loss. Went from 200 carbs to 20 carbs- weight loss. And no, it's no effing water weight. You are not talking to somebody that doesn't know anything about weight loss. I've struggled with weight loss since I was 12 years old and I'm now 35. I fluctuated anywhere between 250 pounds to 168, at my healthiest when I was on weight watchers eating correctly and riding my bike almost 30 miles a day six days a week. When I have no life and I could do something like that. You can't just count calories and stuff your face with whatever carbs that you want. This is why Americans are suffering with obesity. I'm not really understanding why you think it's so bad to count carbs when loading up on Breads, pasta, donuts, high intake of sugar fruits, and all that kind of stuff might not be healthy for your body. I just asked a question about people that used carb quick because it is for people that are following a diet of counting carbs. If you are not following a diet of counting carbs then you don't need to comment. I am on a diet of counting carbs, don't count calories, so I can hit a calorie mark of 1600 cal a day which is fine because I am overweight. I am fully aware of how carbs work because as being a cyclist for over 15 years, I know how carbs feed your body. But I'm not doing that anymore so I'm seeking the advice of people that are on a low-carb diet or way of eating. Thank you and goodnight. 20lbs of water weight. That's a good one. I'll go hang out with the Keto folks- thanks2
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bicycleespresso wrote: »And I would have to disagree. Carbs absolutely make you fat. Most Americans are not eating carbs from Broccoli, they're eating it from Donuts and garbage.
You do realize donuts (which are actually carbs, fat and protein) have waaaaaay more calories than broccoli.
People eat too many yummy tasting foods without regard to portion size or calories. Donuts are yummy because they contain a number of ingredients (a recipe) that combines carbs, fats & proteins.
But you can lose weight by eliminating most foods with a carbohydrate component. That's step 1
Are you going to be keto fovever? OR does doing a low carb diet for a time "cure" you of overeating forever? Temporary changes never cured me - I'm part of the 90-95% of people who gained the weight they lost back. Maybe you will be the exception.
This is the general forum. Most people here don't do keto. You could control the responses better by asking your question in a keto group.0 -
bicycleespresso wrote: »Here's an experiment to you calorie counters. I went from 1800 to 1500 calories, same carb count....no weight loss. Went from 200 carbs to 20 carbs- weight loss. And no, it's no effing water weight. You are not talking to somebody that doesn't know anything about weight loss. I've struggled with weight loss since I was 12 years old and I'm now 35. I fluctuated anywhere between 250 pounds to 168, at my healthiest when I was on weight watchers eating correctly and riding my bike almost 30 miles a day six days a week. When I have no life and I could do something like that. You can't just count calories and stuff your face with whatever carbs that you want. This is why Americans are suffering with obesity. I'm not really understanding why you think it's so bad to count carbs when loading up on Breads, pasta, donuts, high intake of sugar fruits, and all that kind of stuff might not be healthy for your body. I just asked a question about people that used carb quick because it is for people that are following a diet of counting carbs. If you are not following a diet of counting carbs then you don't need to comment. I am on a diet of counting carbs, don't count calories, so I can hit a calorie mark of 1600 cal a day which is fine because I am overweight. I am fully aware of how carbs work because as being a cyclist for over 15 years, I know how carbs feed your body. But I'm not doing that anymore so I'm seeking the advice of people that are on a low-carb diet or way of eating. Thank you and goodnight. 20lbs of water weight. That's a good one. I'll go hang out with the Keto folks- thanks
No one is arguing that you shouldn't count carbs, but it's ignorant to suggest that carbs > calories when it's fundamentally wrong. Energy balance is one of the most fundamental aspects of weight loss. And there is substantial amounts of evidence to support that. Even more so, the healthiest places on the planet are the blue zone's which are 70% carbs. Americans and many other countries are fat due to increased availability of food and increase sedentary lifestyles. And just because you have an inability to process carbs well, doesn't mean the rest of us don't. Thinking Americans are fat because we are now labeling cakes, doughnuts, cookies, etc.. as carbs instead of fats like we did 15 years a go is a bit short sighted.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2266991/
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
Having said that, there are a variety of conditions that have adverse reactions to carbohydrates: insulin resistance, diabetes, PCOS, etc... to name a few. In those states, it seems there is a reduction in metabolism when high level of carbs are present. In these cases especially, it is very important (for most people) to monitor carbs; this is depending on the severity of their condition. Additionally, if you find counting carbs over calories, that is fine. Many people here find that beneficial. That is why there is a huge LCHF group that is active.3 -
bicycleespresso wrote: »You can't just count calories and stuff your face with whatever carbs that you want.
If you actually count calories accurately, and especially (for nutrition and health) if you make sure to eat a healthful diet, sure you can! People lose weight on high carb diets all the time, and average carb diets, of course. Some of those diets are extremely healthful (since carbs are not unhealthy) and some are not (just as some low carb diets are healthy and some are not).This is why Americans are suffering with obesity.
Americans have a high percentage of obesity NOT because we eat a higher percentage of carbs, on average, than thinner parts of the world (we don't -- many of the healthiest diets are higher carb, as in the blue zones). We are fat because we eat too much and are too inactive. (Our carbs and fat also come from unhealthy sources on average, and we don't eat enough of other carbs and fat, particularly omega-3s and vegetables and fruit. But none of that means "carbs" are the problem.)I'm not really understanding why you think it's so bad to count carbs when loading up on Breads, pasta, donuts, high intake of sugar fruits, and all that kind of stuff might not be healthy for your body.
I don't think there's anything wrong at all with counting carbs. I think claiming that carbs are unhealthy and lead to weight gain and low carb=healthy and weight loss is false, however.
And I don't think fruit, even higher sugar fruit, is at all a problem in my diet, and similarly I think some of my more delicious and healthy meals include pasta -- a reasonable amount of pasta (whole grain or white) with some shrimp or other lean meat (salmon is also good), and lots of vegetables sauteed in olive oil for a delicious topping? Or even a homemade tomato sauce with lean beef and lots of vegetables added -- yum.
I don't eat much bread because I don't care about it, but it's certainly possible to include it in a healthful diet, and I don't get saying bread is bad for you, even whole grain, but carbquick is different.
I also rarely eat donuts (a couple times a year, on the day before Ash Wednesday and in the fall if I get apple cider donuts, for sure, maybe at other times if good ones are on offer), but saying the problem with donuts is carbs vs. calories and not that many nutrients for the calories makes no sense when half the calories are from fat, not carbs.
I only commented because you claimed that carbs are why people are fat, and that is not true.2 -
Where's that Easy Mac thread?
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Science disagrees with you. I do, too as I've lost over 100lbs including carbs in my WOE as have many here. My RD (someone with many years of nutrition and diet education) disagrees with you, too.bicycleespresso wrote: »Here's an experiment to you calorie counters. I went from 1800 to 1500 calories, same carb count....no weight loss. Went from 200 carbs to 20 carbs- weight loss. And no, it's no effing water weight. You are not talking to somebody that doesn't know anything about weight loss. I've struggled with weight loss since I was 12 years old and I'm now 35. I fluctuated anywhere between 250 pounds to 168, at my healthiest when I was on weight watchers eating correctly and riding my bike almost 30 miles a day six days a week. When I have no life and I could do something like that. You can't just count calories and stuff your face with whatever carbs that you want. This is why Americans are suffering with obesity. I'm not really understanding why you think it's so bad to count carbs when loading up on Breads, pasta, donuts, high intake of sugar fruits, and all that kind of stuff might not be healthy for your body. I just asked a question about people that used carb quick because it is for people that are following a diet of counting carbs. If you are not following a diet of counting carbs then you don't need to comment. I am on a diet of counting carbs, don't count calories, so I can hit a calorie mark of 1600 cal a day which is fine because I am overweight. I am fully aware of how carbs work because as being a cyclist for over 15 years, I know how carbs feed your body. But I'm not doing that anymore so I'm seeking the advice of people that are on a low-carb diet or way of eating. Thank you and goodnight. 20lbs of water weight. That's a good one. I'll go hang out with the Keto folks- thanks
Yes. 20lbs of water is absolutely possible. I recently gained 13lbs from TOM, extra lifting and excess sodium. It was water weight due to the fact that it disappeared as quickly as it appeared. It takes longer to add/remove fat.1 -
bicycleespresso wrote: »Here's an experiment to you calorie counters. I went from 1800 to 1500 calories, same carb count....no weight loss. Went from 200 carbs to 20 carbs- weight loss. And no, it's no effing water weight. You are not talking to somebody that doesn't know anything about weight loss. I've struggled with weight loss since I was 12 years old and I'm now 35. I fluctuated anywhere between 250 pounds to 168, at my healthiest when I was on weight watchers eating correctly and riding my bike almost 30 miles a day six days a week. When I have no life and I could do something like that. You can't just count calories and stuff your face with whatever carbs that you want. This is why Americans are suffering with obesity. I'm not really understanding why you think it's so bad to count carbs when loading up on Breads, pasta, donuts, high intake of sugar fruits, and all that kind of stuff might not be healthy for your body. I just asked a question about people that used carb quick because it is for people that are following a diet of counting carbs. If you are not following a diet of counting carbs then you don't need to comment. I am on a diet of counting carbs, don't count calories, so I can hit a calorie mark of 1600 cal a day which is fine because I am overweight. I am fully aware of how carbs work because as being a cyclist for over 15 years, I know how carbs feed your body. But I'm not doing that anymore so I'm seeking the advice of people that are on a low-carb diet or way of eating. Thank you and goodnight. 20lbs of water weight. That's a good one. I'll go hang out with the Keto folks- thanks
Oh yes, I forgot that anecdotal experience trumps the laws of physics, as well as the overwhelming evidence that you can eat whatever you please to lose weight as long as you're at a caloric deficit. It's not that you weren't simply miscounting or overestimating the amount of exercise you did; that would imply that you're wrong, and we can't have that can we? The Twinkie Diet must have been staged. Americans aren't overweight because they were never taught portion control; they're overweight because THEY EAT THE DEVIL'S MACRO.
I don't know why I never thought of it before. It must be everyone except you. All those "high-carb" dieters are conspiring to cover up the real truth because there's money in keeping people fat! That must be it! Wow, we're so smart.
For the record, running to the keto folks isn't going to help you either. There was a post just yesterday in the LCD group that stressed the importance of counting calories, as they were the only thing that mattered in terms of actual weight loss. You simply drank the Kool-Aid and now think that every little bit of hearsay regarding your weight loss strategy is an immediate fact because the strategy worked for you.4 -
bicycleespresso wrote: »20lbs of water weight. That's a good one. I'll go hang out with the Keto folks- thanks
Okay so as one of the "keto folks" I'm going to touch on this point quickly. While I'm sure some percentage of that loss is actual fat and potentially a hair of LBM loss (depending on how well you prioritize your protein intake) you absolutely can swing around that much in water weight...
Since we are speaking purely in n=1 anecdotal terms my appendix decided it hated me in December and I had an emergency appendectomy. I went in 5'10" and 130lbs. Because I am keto in an area where the hospital's idea of a diabetic friendly meal includes juice, pudding and cake (the dietician here smokes the good stuff lol) I didn't eat for three days while I was admitted. So I remained in ketosis obviously, I had no food waste weight to attribute but when I got home I weighed 150lbs....I even made a thread about it lol. It took about a week to lose that 20lbs plus 1 actual pound from the hospital deficit. So I had an overall shift in weight of forty one pounds all in inside of two weeks, and I think we can all safely assume it was water ykwim? That doesn't take away from your accomplishments pursuing a healthier life at all, but it's good to be realistic about what percentage of loss is actual loss of mass.
Personally, as someone who has been successful via keto both in weight loss and as an athlete, I know a lot of people in the community at large who have done amazing things working the WOE. However, the only one of these who rejects the concept of caloric function in weight management has yoyo'ed up and down 100's of pounds over and over again over a decade and has ruined her skin doing it. The calories count even if you don't count them!
Try to remember that having knowledge is power and having the most complete picture of your intake makes you powerful beyond measure in your own journey. Keep calm, keto on, count all the things 10 -
bicycleespresso wrote: »...You can't just count calories and stuff your face with whatever carbs that you want....
Orly? Tell it to this professor:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/
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I bought it when I was new to keto. I experimented with it a few times but wasn't that excited about it and didn't end up feeling like I really needed it anyway. I still have a mostly full box in my pantry somewhere 16 months later ...
I do know when you're eating keto, eating more grains/carbs than usual will sometimes cause a temporary water weight gain/bloating that can make you feel like they're hindering your weight loss. But unless they trigger your cravings and hunger, hinder satiety and consequently adherence to your calorie level, they're not going to really affect your weight loss.0
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