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DC -- but many parts are really nice, I just happen to live in a not-so-nice area2
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I was unsuccessful from the get go. That's why I chose to learn. And in that training it revolved around more realistic response. So multiple stabs to get the assailant off, then a strike to soft tissue area (neck, abdomen or groin) to finish then RUN. Now mind you I DON'T carry a knife with me nor have I. This class was just offered along with jui jitsu by the dojo.lsutton484 wrote: »
Ah. Well then, people can make up their minds or whether or not I'm a loon or not. I've attended survival training and knife defense was part of it. Trained correctly, it can be pretty devastating and you don't have to be an expert, super fit, or big either.bigmuneymfp wrote: »
Lol, because you're an expert on the subject?bigmuneymfp wrote: »It's not about agreement, you have no idea what you're talking about
Thanks for posting though.
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You should start a thread on cardio kickboxing
Can you cardio kickbox? Cause that's not what I teach.
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just curious in your training how many times were you unsuccessful?
The class was offered so you can learn the OPTION. Of course the BEST defense is to not put yourself in a situation where you have to defend. Would I RATHER have a gun? Sure. Again, this whole debate started because I mentioned carrying a knife as an option and some went off the handle. There ARE other ways to defend against the average untrained predator besides just having a gun was my point.After this class wouldn't you rather have the ability to defend yourself at a distance?
I agree. My point resonated about being attacked from behind and possibly getting grabbed and choked. From there it's seconds to make a quick decision. My POV has been that in this case, it's easier to unsheath a knife and blindly stab behind you and more than likely making decent contact (leg for instance), than it would be to unholster a gun and try to position your hand to shoot behind you blindly.Just because you have a firearm does not mean you have to pull the trigger. Far too often people who don't carry guns just think that shooting someone would be your first choice.
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Lol, of course the first thought when confronted is to run/get away if possible.
Lol, why because you disagree?bigmuneymfp wrote: »
THIS. Personally I think a knife would be easier to use and is usually enough of a deterrent against an assailant.StarvingDiva wrote: »Listen, I would never belittle the efforts of any woman who wanted to take measures to protect herself.
I just think that, unless you are fairly experienced with being in a threatening situation, you want the thing that is easiest to use.
Pretty hard to aim a pistol when you are shaking, let alone unsnap it from your holster that is in the back of your sports bra.
**I don't know too many people who feel comfortable carrying concealed without training.
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So an assailant holding a knife is enough to deter people to listen, but not enough for an assailant to think twice?
Predators don't want a fight. ANY resistance or awareness that they are there, is many times enough to dissuade an attack.
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So some cubicle worker is somehow going to take a knife out of his or her pocket, unfold it, hold it in a meaninful way and tell a bad guy to "back off!" ?
Okay, you might scare off the tweaker that's 20 feet away.
You might feel confident, or invincible because you have that little piece of steel, when you should be running the (kitten) away.
Or, you'll just get cut with your own knife that you clumsily fumbled and dropped while deploying - or stabbed yourself, because the other guy was already ready to do harm. The bad guy is used to getting hit/kicked/punched/stabbed. He's probably lead a life with some violence in it.
Or get dead, because you've now escalated the situation by brandishing but not being willing to use the knife.
Any method you use, you have to drill frequently. Experts I've done training with, retired law enforcement officers, train daily. If you can't deploy and use your method within seconds, well.
My first response to the OP was "run in safer areas, run with someone else, or be somewhere where there's lots of public around".
However, as I mentioned a predator sneaks up on people who aren't aware. ANY WEAPON may be useless if a person is caught off guard.
Fighting is your last resort. IMO it's easier to pull a knife out of a sheath ( if you're trained to use it) and defend yourself, than to unholster a gun, turn off the safety and try to shoot if someone snuck up and put a choke on you.
People won't agree. That's fine, but I don't believe it's any more bad advice than a holstered gun when someone gets attacked without any warning.
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TRICK question for you.
Where on a Glock is the safety that must be "turned off" prior to firing?
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My Dad took a CC class and got his Concealed Carry Permit. Rule #1 that they taught was to remove yourself from the situation. Avoid confrontation unless you are personally at risk. CC is not for the gung ho wanna be hero types with delusions of grandeur.
To the OP, get those compression shorts. They look secure.
I don't care for the 5.11 brand of clothing. The stuff they make "sticks out" to me, like you are advertising that you carry. And that is not the idea.
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I was unsuccessful from the get go. That's why I chose to learn. And in that training it revolved around more realistic response. So multiple stabs to get the assailant off, then a strike to soft tissue area (neck, abdomen or groin) to finish then RUN. Now mind you I DON'T carry a knife with me nor have I. This class was just offered along with jui jitsu by the dojo.lsutton484 wrote: »
Ah. Well then, people can make up their minds or whether or not I'm a loon or not. I've attended survival training and knife defense was part of it. Trained correctly, it can be pretty devastating and you don't have to be an expert, super fit, or big either.bigmuneymfp wrote: »
Lol, because you're an expert on the subject?bigmuneymfp wrote: »It's not about agreement, you have no idea what you're talking about Thanks for posting though.
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You should start a thread on cardio kickboxing
Can you cardio kickbox? Cause that's not what I teach.
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just curious in your training how many times were you unsuccessful?
The class was offered so you can learn the OPTION. Of course the BEST defense is to not put yourself in a situation where you have to defend. Would I RATHER have a gun? Sure. Again, this whole debate started because I mentioned carrying a knife as an option and some went off the handle. There ARE other ways to defend against the average untrained predator besides just having a gun was my point.After this class wouldn't you rather have the ability to defend yourself at a distance?
I agree. My point resonated about being attacked from behind and possibly getting grabbed and choked. From there it's seconds to make a quick decision. My POV has been that in this case, it's easier to unsheath a knife and blindly stab behind you and more than likely making decent contact (leg for instance), than it would be to unholster a gun and try to position your hand to shoot behind you blindly.Just because you have a firearm does not mean you have to pull the trigger. Far too often people who don't carry guns just think that shooting someone would be your first choice.
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being attacked from behind can almost be completely eliminated by situational awareness. Also who the fitten carries a fixed blade knife openly? In some areas, carrying a fixed blade concealed is a pretty serious crime.
Stabbing 'blindly backwards' is definitely a recipe for stabbing the ever living ish out of yourself. Especially in the above scenario.
I can see it now, ripping that sucker off your belt and immediately putting it through your oblique trying to get the guy behind you.
At least with a firearrm (or mace if you would) you can break free, you can fire while giving yourself distance.
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A female getting abducted for whatever purpose is usually going to be attacked from behind and unaware. That's how predator/stalkers work. They RARELY approach from the front. Many AWARENESS classes will tell you that just letting the predator you're aware they are there, that you face them and and shout at them, many times will deter them from any contact at all. Could it be embarrassing if you're wrong? Sure, but I'd rather be embarrassed than attacked.
Disagree. If a predator is on you, the same could be said about a gun. And if you're in a life or death situation, ANYONE would use anything at their disposal to save their life.I know we got off topic a bit, but I just wanted to throw in a couple more cents regarding the carrying of knives.
Personally, I think carrying a knife for defense is a bad idea, especially if there are other options. If you're close enough to use a knife, you're close enough for it to be taken away. I also think most people are less likely be willing to follow through with stabbing someone, than with the less-personal pulling of a trigger.
That was my point though. Predators who are trying to abduct someone don't usually just come up and say "hey, I'm going to take you" and stand in plain site so they CAN get shot. They search, stalk the victim, look at their surrounding and then strike when they think the victim WON'T BE READY. And that's almost in every case from behind and ends up being within arms reach.Also, I was Army Special Forces and they don't teach knife combat for any reason other than to foster aggression and willingness to close with and destroy the enemy. If they actually wanted us to use knives, they would have issued them to us. You know what knives are primarily used for? Opening MREs (meals ready to eat).
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You make sense. I can't disagree with you there. But I think you're focusing on a very specific scenario of being grabbed from behind while unaware.
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lsutton484 wrote: »Just because you have a firearm does not mean you have to pull the trigger. Far too often people who don't carry guns just think that shooting someone would be your first choice.
Shooting someone would never be my first choice; getting away would be my first choice. And I can't carry here anyway, so it's moot for me. BUT my training was that the gun shouldn't come out unless you're firing it. The point and threaten gives the person too much opportunity to take it from you.
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A female getting abducted for whatever purpose is usually going to be attacked from behind and unaware. That's how predator/stalkers work. They RARELY approach from the front. Many AWARENESS classes will tell you that just letting the predator you're aware they are there, that you face them and and shout at them, many times will deter them from any contact at all. Could it be embarrassing if you're wrong? Sure, but I'd rather be embarrassed than attacked.
Disagree. If a predator is on you, the same could be said about a gun. And if you're in a life or death situation, ANYONE would use anything at their disposal to save their life.I know we got off topic a bit, but I just wanted to throw in a couple more cents regarding the carrying of knives.
Personally, I think carrying a knife for defense is a bad idea, especially if there are other options. If you're close enough to use a knife, you're close enough for it to be taken away. I also think most people are less likely be willing to follow through with stabbing someone, than with the less-personal pulling of a trigger.
That was my point though. Predators who are trying to abduct someone don't usually just come up and say "hey, I'm going to take you" and stand in plain site so they CAN get shot. They search, stalk the victim, look at their surrounding and then strike when they think the victim WON'T BE READY. And that's almost in every case from behind and ends up being within arms reach.Also, I was Army Special Forces and they don't teach knife combat for any reason other than to foster aggression and willingness to close with and destroy the enemy. If they actually wanted us to use knives, they would have issued them to us. You know what knives are primarily used for? Opening MREs (meals ready to eat).
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You make sense. I can't disagree with you there. But I think you're focusing on a very specific scenario of being grabbed from behind while unaware.
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I agree with you again. But the fear of being abducted isn't the only reason to carry, is what I'm saying. For any gender.1 -
nevadavis1 wrote: »lsutton484 wrote: »Just because you have a firearm does not mean you have to pull the trigger. Far too often people who don't carry guns just think that shooting someone would be your first choice.
Shooting someone would never be my first choice; getting away would be my first choice. And I can't carry here anyway, so it's moot for me. BUT my training was that the gun shouldn't come out unless you're firing it. The point and threaten gives the person too much opportunity to take it from you.
I was told the same thing in my most recent training (which was put on by two retired law enforcement officers.) In many scenarios, the bad guy is too close to be warned. A common drill is to hip fire two shots, retreat while bringing up to aim, and evaluate.
Brandishing to stop a threat would only be for very specific circumstances where there's some distance, and you think the bad guy will leave -- Such as intervening when someone else's life is in danger (which is a big tricky subject itself.)
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A female getting abducted for whatever purpose is usually going to be attacked from behind and unaware. That's how predator/stalkers work. They RARELY approach from the front. Many AWARENESS classes will tell you that just letting the predator you're aware they are there, that you face them and and shout at them, many times will deter them from any contact at all. Could it be embarrassing if you're wrong? Sure, but I'd rather be embarrassed than attacked.
Or they ask you for help or directions---this has happened to me so many times "I'm lost, can you just get in the car and help me find ____" "I've lost my dog" "there's a hurt cat" or once "God sent me here at this moment for a reason, we're supposed to be together, you're an angel" and so on and so on...
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I was unsuccessful from the get go. That's why I chose to learn. And in that training it revolved around more realistic response. So multiple stabs to get the assailant off, then a strike to soft tissue area (neck, abdomen or groin) to finish then RUN. Now mind you I DON'T carry a knife with me nor have I. This class was just offered along with jui jitsu by the dojo.lsutton484 wrote: »
Ah. Well then, people can make up their minds or whether or not I'm a loon or not. I've attended survival training and knife defense was part of it. Trained correctly, it can be pretty devastating and you don't have to be an expert, super fit, or big either.bigmuneymfp wrote: »
Lol, because you're an expert on the subject?bigmuneymfp wrote: »It's not about agreement, you have no idea what you're talking about Thanks for posting though.
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You should start a thread on cardio kickboxing
Can you cardio kickbox? Cause that's not what I teach.
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just curious in your training how many times were you unsuccessful?
The class was offered so you can learn the OPTION. Of course the BEST defense is to not put yourself in a situation where you have to defend. Would I RATHER have a gun? Sure. Again, this whole debate started because I mentioned carrying a knife as an option and some went off the handle. There ARE other ways to defend against the average untrained predator besides just having a gun was my point.After this class wouldn't you rather have the ability to defend yourself at a distance?
I agree. My point resonated about being attacked from behind and possibly getting grabbed and choked. From there it's seconds to make a quick decision. My POV has been that in this case, it's easier to unsheath a knife and blindly stab behind you and more than likely making decent contact (leg for instance), than it would be to unholster a gun and try to position your hand to shoot behind you blindly.Just because you have a firearm does not mean you have to pull the trigger. Far too often people who don't carry guns just think that shooting someone would be your first choice.
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I carry a knife every day of my life and absolutely everywhere I a legally allowed to. I've used my knife a lot in just about any situation imaginable short of self defense but I know there is every bit as much trouble pulling the knife from my pocket, flipping it open, and then stabbing it behind me with enough momentum behind it to do damage. I carry a relatively easy to open knife with a thumb stud to flip it open but some of my knives require a second hand to open. My personal opinion is this would require absolutely as much fine motor skill under duress as doing the same with a firearm. I'm no expert and I didn't even stay in a holiday inn express last night but its something to be considered.2 -
I'll just put in my vote for carrying an insane German Shepherd, but not too insane... Our German Shepherd who passed away was master of the "death stare" and "slow growl." However, our recently adopted German Shepherd mix is too obsessed with squirrels to notice anything else, hence the not too insane advice.5
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I would carry if let us do so in Canada. Our government would rather see us become victims than to defend ourselves. They tell us to leave the defending to the police & it's unfair to the predator to be stopped before he commits the offence. This type of logic is just plain stupid. Problem with that is the LEO's show up well after the crime has been committed.
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bigmuneymfp wrote: »heiliskrimsli wrote: »bigmuneymfp wrote: »Me too!
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MyLovesMyLife wrote: »So those who are sharing their opinions on how "wild" this is. Would you rather she be harmed, raped or murdered simply because she is exercising and some jerk/madman wants to harm her or have her defend herself and he end up in the morgue? Just saying!
Nah, it's just that although some statistics are a little fuzzy, she's probably much more likely to hurt herself, hit someone close to her, or let the weapon fall into the hands of a child than to prevent rape or murder by carrying. But someone said it above-- mace isn't "cool." And look at all the posters who think OP is cool for posting this. Shrug.
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nevadavis1 wrote: »That said I'm perplexed by friends who live in states with different laws and won't leave home unarmed... I'm like "look at the crime rates where I live, and you have like no crime but you still carry?"
Studies have suggested a causal link between that behavior and reduced crime.
There are reasons beyond economics for the lower crime rate in Alexandria/Arlington vs Anacostia
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nevadavis1 wrote: »DC -- but many parts are really nice, I just happen to live in a not-so-nice area
DC area is the worst...when I lived in Arlington 25+ years ago, women were getting attacked in broad daylight on some of the running trails in even the okay areas of town. Kept me from working out alone, which meant most of the time I just stayed in my apartment rather than going to get a workout. Fast forward to 10 years ago when I lived in SE DC...when they didn't allow anyone to carry weapons (except cops and criminals). I just got really good at putting my stank face on while I was walking to/from the metro. I was a white girl living near two sets of projects, but never had any issues though the 'knock out game' was pretty popular while I was there. Just had really good situational awareness and a great stank face and said lots of prayers every time I left my apartment...but that's when I put on most of my weight since I wasn't going to go out alone to workout then either. It stinks that just because I am typically alone/independent and female it increased my odds of being someone's target. Glad I now live in FL where I can carry if I choose (as I have a CCP), though truthfully I mostly have my pistols for home defense as it's sort of pain where you can/can't carry in FL.
Thanks to all those posting helpful info to the OP's original question. Gave me a few more sites to check out for concealed carry options.
I found it hard to concealed carry when I was heavier as just about everything I tried printed, except for a separate bag, but I much prefer to carry on my person than have a separate bag that could be taken away. I need to check out the options again as I'm smaller, and don't mind wearing some larger shirts now.
I will say that I tried the Pistol Wear Sport, and really didn't like it, and wouldn't recommend it. It concealed the pistol okay, but it wasn't secure enough to me for walking much less running. I liked the Pistol Wear under Arm Holster a little better than the Sport, but still wouldn't recommend it in general, and it just sits in one of my drawers.
I may have to check out the leggings, and would love to hear anyone's experience with them. I prefer to carry up front / side or under an arm rather than on my behind. I only have one holster that I like so far, but it's not something I'd carry while working out.
Also to join in the debate fray...totally agree that many police don't have as much training / range time as they should have. I was in a class one time, and when I found out one of the guys was a cop, I teased him about being the ringer. He quickly corrected me and told me that they rarely get to the range, and shooting is truly a use or lose skill. He was right. He wasn't the best or the second best in the class (he was near the top), and I was pretty close to his level when all was said and done. And yes, it very much bothers me that our police aren't getting the range time they need to maintain their shooting proficiency.
Also noted...pulling out a weapon is your option of last resort, especially when dealing with humans...keeping situational awareness, avoiding the situation, removing yourself from a situation, trying something less lethal are all things we attempt to do before pulling out a weapon. However, when you find you need a weapon, it's better to have it than not have it, and you don't pull it out unless you intend to use it. There are situations involving wildlife where you may need to use a weapon also. It's better to be prepared than stuck in a bad situation without it.6 -
alaskagrown wrote: »MyLovesMyLife wrote: »So those who are sharing their opinions on how "wild" this is. Would you rather she be harmed, raped or murdered simply because she is exercising and some jerk/madman wants to harm her or have her defend herself and he end up in the morgue? Just saying!
Nah, it's just that although some statistics are a little fuzzy, she's probably much more likely to hurt herself, hit someone close to her, or let the weapon fall into the hands of a child than to prevent rape or murder by carrying. But someone said it above-- mace isn't "cool." And look at all the posters who think OP is cool for posting this. Shrug.
Those statistical claims have been well and thoroughly debunked.
The number of successful non-lethal self defense incidents that don't involve firing a shot is almost double the number of total violent crimes committed in any given year.
Violent crime 1.2 million
crime averted by having or displaying a weapon 2.5 million or so
And even if you go with the low end estimate of 800 thousand. That's still reducing the number of violent crimes committed by nearly half. And does not account for the notable and measurable impact on crime reduction by broadening right to carry implementation.
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Those statistical claims have been well and thoroughly debunked.
Grin. I know better than to get into a statistics fight with a 2A/gun person. America's known for "fake news" for a reason. But the thing that comes through here is how terrified gun people are of their daily lives... "seconds to be victimized or killed..." "rape, murder, and assault..."
I just don't get it. I grew up in rural Alaska and now I live in West Oakland, two places where you might assume a person would want to carry a gun. I know how to use a rifle, but not a handgun. I would never carry, not hiking, not in rural Alaska, and certainly not on the street. I walk several miles per day to and from work through urban Oakland and I'm never afraid for my life.
This isn't an opinion thread, so I'll bow out. The compression shorts posted by others look like the safest option for carrying a machine in your pants that is made to kill people.
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Hey OP - thanks for posting.
I have my CC permit, but rarely every carry because I can't find a good way to carry. I have an M&P 9 Shield. I don't like to carry in my purse, because if I have to open it to get out my wallet, phone, etc. I don't like to "advertise" it is there. I also don't feel like I could easily access it from my purse, if needed.
So, I appreciate all the suggestions.
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