Military Diet??
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Then all those studies based on how you should eat is incredibly useless.
Never mind that animals who eat slow and long all day (snacking on 'healthy' meals) always manage to stay lean.
Never mind that since as long as I could remember, breakfast has always been considered the most important meal of the day.
Or that you shouldn't eat so many hours before bed.
All these have no merit? I can't believe everyone of them is a myth.
You can lose weight by eating your calories all at once, but that doesn't make it the healthiest way-- and with the whole 'are you going to do this for the rest of your life' argument should have more grounds to my point then: are you really going to eat all your calories at once for the rest of your life? What are the chances of gaining it all back.
If all you had to do was eat a certain amount of calories to lose, gain, or survive, we'd all be eating junkfood, because that's yummeh. You can lose, yes, but your body still needs certain things to remain healthy, and just saying "eat the good stuff" is not really a good method to follow-- why diet at all then? You're supposed to be changing your eating habits, not JUST your intake amount.
It's been stated that this diet really poses no harm to your health (which some don't even seem to care about their health anyway) nor is there the arguement that you won't lose weight doing it, so really, the only reason people don't like it is because it's considered a fad-- most already agree that the 'chemistry' behind it is bull, take that out, and what do you have? A meal plan. Nothing more.
Like it or hate, that's just the gist of it.
Yes they are all myths, it's hard to believe that the diet industry is so full of wrong and unnecessary info, but that's part of why so many are still overweight.
So your argument for doing a diet involving hotdogs and ice cream is health???
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MarziPanda95 wrote: »Then all those studies based on how you should eat is incredibly useless.
Never mind that animals who eat slow and long all day (snacking on 'healthy' meals) always manage to stay lean.
Never mind that since as long as I could remember, breakfast has always been considered the most important meal of the day.
Or that you shouldn't eat so many hours before bed.
All these have no merit? I can't believe everyone of them is a myth.
They are. Animals who graze all day stay lean because grass/tree leaves/etc have basically almost no calories. They're also usually big animals (cows and giraffes come to mind) so they need a lot of calories. Breakfast is not 'the most important meal of the day' because meal timing is personal and has no effect on weight loss. Eating early makes me feel sick, so I don't eat breakfast. And again, eat just before you sleep if you want, it makes no difference to weight loss (though it might give you indigestion).
You keep substituting things out, so are you really even doing the military diet at this point? If it's just about teaching you to eat protein, fat and carbs in the right amounts, why not just... pick a protein, a carb and a healthy fat and eat those, staying at the right calorie amounts? Why not pick a pre-made diet which is more backed by science and nutritionists? Those diets are out there by the hundreds. The military diet is really not a well thought out or well balanced diet plan. All the benefits you describe can be found in different pre-made diets which also have the plus of being designed by dietitians/nutritionists/scientists etc and being well balanced. I don't understand why you'd go for the military diet when there are others which don't have any of its drawbacks.
They also walk 10-20 miles a day...
SO!!! if you walk constantly for all your waking hours, you can eat whatever you want.1 -
I'm giving the lurkers some accurate info: after all that has been said about it, there are only a few things that the nay-sayers say about it (which have also been condradicted by other nay-sayers):
1. That you'll starve
But you wont, cause if you follow it for the seven days like you're suppose to, you'll clear just under 1300/day calories in a week.
2. It's not a diet used in the military.
If anyone had bothered reading into it, it's named purely on the discipline you need to follow through.
3. You'll gain the weight back.
The only people who have been said to gain it back are those who go back to eating the thousands of calories they were eating before (junkfood, junkfood, junkfood, guess the daily ice cream was not enough)-- they'd gain back with any diet at that point. If it's still a calorie deficit, and if you stick to it, how can you gain the weight back?
4. It's not healthy.
Most calories diets under 1500/day arent, you'll never meet all the macros your body needs.
5. Why not eat what you want?
You can, if you actually looked it up, you can make a lot of changes to it, you just need to research a little.
And some people like hotdogs, eggs, tuna, and cottage cheese.
6. There's no chemistry involved.
While I don't believe THIS diet has it down to a science, in our world, everything falls down to chemistry, so I do believe there is a combination of foods out there that could definitely cut fat out of your body faster than others-- who knows what it really is though, we may never know.
My supporting arguement is: this CAN get you STARTED to a road of healthier eating. There's nothing wrong with eating lean meats, fruits and veggies. If you feel something in it is out of wack, then edit it. No one's stopping you. I'm not saying it'll work better than anything out there, I'm saying that it's giving a base idea of what to go on.
Instantly trashing it because it's a fad is not supplying anything for your arguement. If it works, who cares if it's a fad?
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While I don't believe THIS diet has it down to a science, in our world, everything falls down to chemistry, so I do believe there is a combination of foods out there that could definitely cut fat out of your body faster than others-- who knows what it really is though, we may never know.
But we do know, because science. Of course nutrition plays a part in health, but for weight loss it is fact how that occurs.
I've seen this is called the "military diet" because people used it as a crash diet to "make weight", this is not how people in the military or any other physically demanding field eat. It is not intended as a long-term way of eating. That is why these gimmicks do not work for long-term results, it does not teach anyone anything about how to maintain or eat for the long-term, it is all about short-term result.
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You're supposed to be changing your eating habits, not JUST your intake amount.
Actually, your intake amount is ALL you have to change. You can change to different foods (and probably will) to get more satiety, nutrients, etc. but in the end, it's about eating fewer calories than you burn. All the crazy food combinations won't change that fact.0 -
Then all you need to do is eat 9,000 calories once a week-- it'll average out in the end.
You'll probably feel like crap, but the science is there.
If calorie really was all that matters, you could just eat a bunch of pork fat at a calorie deficit and not lose an ounch of muscle.1 -
Then all you need to do is eat 9,000 calories once a week-- it'll average out in the end.
You'll probably feel like crap, but the science is there.
If calorie really was all that matters, you could just eat a bunch of pork fat at a calorie deficit and not lose an ounch of muscle.
You're conflating arguments here. No one ever says that calories are all that matters for muscle composition. Calorie deficits are all that matter for FAT loss. Macros and nutrients matter for body composition.5 -
wow can we stop beating the dead horse? some people no matter what you tell them just dont listen. let them learn the hard way and be done with it.I know we are trying to help newbies too but this thread needs closed its redundant13
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Then all you need to do is eat 9,000 calories once a week-- it'll average out in the end.
You'll probably feel like crap, but the science is there.
If calorie really was all that matters, you could just eat a bunch of pork fat at a calorie deficit and not lose an ounch of muscle.
Because obviously everyone here is advocating a diet of pork rinds once a week, right?
You seem to be reasonably well written and can surely do better than constructing ridiculous strawmen and other logical fallacies to promote your argument. Generally you will be perceived as more credible if you refute things based on facts (preferably based in sound science) that you discovered in the extensive research you conducted.
How about this for a recommendation: if someone is truly so confused that they don't know they should be building a healthy way of eating around fruits, vegetables, healthy fats and lean meats as the centerpiece (along with observing the laws of conservation of matter and not eating too much), choose ANY of these 38 other diets, because even the worst will be 1000% better than dry toast, half a banana, and a side of self-flagellation: http://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-diets-overall
What piques my interest is your willingness to go to the absolute mat for a very silly diet. I am just very curious, due to your in-depth research, how can you look at something like the Mediterranean diet or the Whole 30 diet--things with absolutely delicious food that can be put together in fabulous combinations--and say, NOPE, Military Diet is awesome and it is the one for me!! I am truly baffled. I mean, I eat tuna all the time--but not with a piece of toast; I eat it with a huge pile of romaine and vegetables and olives and a drizzle of balsamic and call it a nicoise salad. Seriously, wouldn't you rather eat that???
N.B., I have a large stash of my grandmother's cookbooks somewhere in a box, and I believe this exact same diet was featured in the kinds of cookbooks that churches put out--I remember seeing half bananas, half grapefruits (Really? You can't even eat a WHOLE freaking piece of fruit?) and other such crap aimed at the Lutheran and Methodist ladies of East Bumblepunk and West Fumblebunk Indiana. Apparently they were a credulous lot.10 -
I'm giving the lurkers some accurate info:
2. It's not a diet used in the military.
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If anyone had bothered reading into it, it's named purely on the discipline you need to follow through.
NO - the current made up name is "The Military Diet" - the marketing behind it is "discipline you need to follow through"
The Cleveland Clinic Diet was another name for this exact diet (decades ago). The marketing was to give the diet "credibility" by associating it with a well respected medical facility. The name change was forced.
Other names - AHA Diet (trying to copy American Heart Association?), Kaiser Diet, 3 Day Diet and Fax Diet.
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Wanted to give an update.
I started this on the 16th (of May) and recorded my weight at 161lb. By the 23rd (last Tuesday), I lost 3lb. That's when I decided that I should measure.
Last Friday (the 26th of May) was when the 2nd three day cycle was over, and I had lost 3 inches around the waist and a total of 3lb (158lb down to 155lb) since that Tuesday (the 23rd; three days before)
Today, on the 30th of May, I measured/weighed again:
I did not lose anymore pounds from this last Friday, but I did lose an inch off my hips, an inch off my thigh, and inch off my ribs and also an inch off my bust. Strangely, I grew an inch around my waist, so I'm not sure if my fat has shifted (doubtful), or if I'm retaining water (I hurt my ankle real bad last week, so I haven't been drinking like I should to avoid the excessive amount if bathroom trips).
So in two weeks I have lost a healthy six pounds (161 to 155) and a few inches of fat here and there from my body (2 inches from both the waist and ribs and an inch each from the hips, thighs, bust)-- I'm also a size smaller. My bodyfat has also gone from 34.2 percent down to 33.5 percent.
People have even begun to notice my slimming shape and have commented on it.
It wouldn't hurt you to try this for a month just to see.
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Wanted to give an update.
I started this on the 16th (of May) and recorded my weight at 161lb. By the 23rd (last Tuesday), I lost 3lb. That's when I decided that I should measure.
Last Friday (the 26th of May) was when the 2nd three day cycle was over, and I had lost 3 inches around the waist and a total of 3lb (158lb down to 155lb) since that Tuesday (the 23rd; three days before)
Today, on the 30th of May, I measured/weighed again:
I did not lose anymore pounds from this last Friday, but I did lose an inch off my hips, an inch off my thigh, and inch off my ribs and also an inch off my bust. Strangely, I grew an inch around my waist, so I'm not sure if my fat has shifted (doubtful), or if I'm retaining water (I hurt my ankle real bad last week, so I haven't been drinking like I should to avoid the excessive amount if bathroom trips).
So in two weeks I have lost a healthy six pounds (161 to 155) and a few inches of fat here and there from my body (2 inches from both the waist and ribs and an inch each from the hips, thighs, bust)-- I'm also a size smaller. My bodyfat has also gone from 34.2 percent down to 33.5 percent.
People have even begun to notice my slimming shape and have commented on it.
It wouldn't hurt you to try this for a month just to see.
But why?
Those results can also be achieved without the Military Diet. All you did was use a specific restricted diet to create a calorie deficit. I could lose weight eating tuna, toast, and saltines and it probably wouldn't hurt me (unless you count extremely boring meals as a form of harm). But when I can also lose weight eating the meals I prefer to eat, why wouldn't I choose that instead? For me, losing weight is much more fun when I'm looking forward to my meals.8 -
Wanted to give an update.
I started this on the 16th (of May) and recorded my weight at 161lb. By the 23rd (last Tuesday), I lost 3lb. That's when I decided that I should measure.
Last Friday (the 26th of May) was when the 2nd three day cycle was over, and I had lost 3 inches around the waist and a total of 3lb (158lb down to 155lb) since that Tuesday (the 23rd; three days before)
Today, on the 30th of May, I measured/weighed again:
I did not lose anymore pounds from this last Friday, but I did lose an inch off my hips, an inch off my thigh, and inch off my ribs and also an inch off my bust. Strangely, I grew an inch around my waist, so I'm not sure if my fat has shifted (doubtful), or if I'm retaining water (I hurt my ankle real bad last week, so I haven't been drinking like I should to avoid the excessive amount if bathroom trips).
So in two weeks I have lost a healthy six pounds (161 to 155) and a few inches of fat here and there from my body (2 inches from both the waist and ribs and an inch each from the hips, thighs, bust)-- I'm also a size smaller. My bodyfat has also gone from 34.2 percent down to 33.5 percent.
People have even begun to notice my slimming shape and have commented on it.
It wouldn't hurt you to try this for a month just to see.
So you lost 6 lbs in a month. Do you know how else you could have lost 6 lbs in a month? By eating literally any food that added up to the number of calories that gives you a 750 calorie deficit.19 -
Wanted to give an update.
I started this on the 16th (of May) and recorded my weight at 161lb. By the 23rd (last Tuesday), I lost 3lb. That's when I decided that I should measure.
Last Friday (the 26th of May) was when the 2nd three day cycle was over, and I had lost 3 inches around the waist and a total of 3lb (158lb down to 155lb) since that Tuesday (the 23rd; three days before)
Today, on the 30th of May, I measured/weighed again:
I did not lose anymore pounds from this last Friday, but I did lose an inch off my hips, an inch off my thigh, and inch off my ribs and also an inch off my bust. Strangely, I grew an inch around my waist, so I'm not sure if my fat has shifted (doubtful), or if I'm retaining water (I hurt my ankle real bad last week, so I haven't been drinking like I should to avoid the excessive amount if bathroom trips).
So in two weeks I have lost a healthy six pounds (161 to 155) and a few inches of fat here and there from my body (2 inches from both the waist and ribs and an inch each from the hips, thighs, bust)-- I'm also a size smaller. My bodyfat has also gone from 34.2 percent down to 33.5 percent.
People have even begun to notice my slimming shape and have commented on it.
It wouldn't hurt you to try this for a month just to see.
So you lost 6 lbs in a month. Do you know how else you could have lost 6 lbs in a month? By eating literally any food that added up to the number of calories that gives you a 750 calorie deficit.
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Wanted to give an update.
I started this on the 16th (of May) and recorded my weight at 161lb. By the 23rd (last Tuesday), I lost 3lb. That's when I decided that I should measure.
Last Friday (the 26th of May) was when the 2nd three day cycle was over, and I had lost 3 inches around the waist and a total of 3lb (158lb down to 155lb) since that Tuesday (the 23rd; three days before)
Today, on the 30th of May, I measured/weighed again:
I did not lose anymore pounds from this last Friday, but I did lose an inch off my hips, an inch off my thigh, and inch off my ribs and also an inch off my bust. Strangely, I grew an inch around my waist, so I'm not sure if my fat has shifted (doubtful), or if I'm retaining water (I hurt my ankle real bad last week, so I haven't been drinking like I should to avoid the excessive amount if bathroom trips).
So in two weeks I have lost a healthy six pounds (161 to 155) and a few inches of fat here and there from my body (2 inches from both the waist and ribs and an inch each from the hips, thighs, bust)-- I'm also a size smaller. My bodyfat has also gone from 34.2 percent down to 33.5 percent.
People have even begun to notice my slimming shape and have commented on it.
It wouldn't hurt you to try this for a month just to see.
So you lost 6 lbs in a month. Do you know how else you could have lost 6 lbs in a month? By eating literally any food that added up to the number of calories that gives you a 750 calorie deficit.
Common sense has no place in this thread!11 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Wanted to give an update.
I started this on the 16th (of May) and recorded my weight at 161lb. By the 23rd (last Tuesday), I lost 3lb. That's when I decided that I should measure.
Last Friday (the 26th of May) was when the 2nd three day cycle was over, and I had lost 3 inches around the waist and a total of 3lb (158lb down to 155lb) since that Tuesday (the 23rd; three days before)
Today, on the 30th of May, I measured/weighed again:
I did not lose anymore pounds from this last Friday, but I did lose an inch off my hips, an inch off my thigh, and inch off my ribs and also an inch off my bust. Strangely, I grew an inch around my waist, so I'm not sure if my fat has shifted (doubtful), or if I'm retaining water (I hurt my ankle real bad last week, so I haven't been drinking like I should to avoid the excessive amount if bathroom trips).
So in two weeks I have lost a healthy six pounds (161 to 155) and a few inches of fat here and there from my body (2 inches from both the waist and ribs and an inch each from the hips, thighs, bust)-- I'm also a size smaller. My bodyfat has also gone from 34.2 percent down to 33.5 percent.
People have even begun to notice my slimming shape and have commented on it.
It wouldn't hurt you to try this for a month just to see.
But why?
Those results can also be achieved without the Military Diet. All you did was use a specific restricted diet to create a calorie deficit. I could lose weight eating tuna, toast, and saltines and it probably wouldn't hurt me (unless you count extremely boring meals as a form of harm). But when I can also lose weight eating the meals I prefer to eat, why wouldn't I choose that instead? For me, losing weight is much more fun when I'm looking forward to my meals.
All of this...5 -
TavistockToad wrote: »Wanted to give an update.
I started this on the 16th (of May) and recorded my weight at 161lb. By the 23rd (last Tuesday), I lost 3lb. That's when I decided that I should measure.
Last Friday (the 26th of May) was when the 2nd three day cycle was over, and I had lost 3 inches around the waist and a total of 3lb (158lb down to 155lb) since that Tuesday (the 23rd; three days before)
Today, on the 30th of May, I measured/weighed again:
I did not lose anymore pounds from this last Friday, but I did lose an inch off my hips, an inch off my thigh, and inch off my ribs and also an inch off my bust. Strangely, I grew an inch around my waist, so I'm not sure if my fat has shifted (doubtful), or if I'm retaining water (I hurt my ankle real bad last week, so I haven't been drinking like I should to avoid the excessive amount if bathroom trips).
So in two weeks I have lost a healthy six pounds (161 to 155) and a few inches of fat here and there from my body (2 inches from both the waist and ribs and an inch each from the hips, thighs, bust)-- I'm also a size smaller. My bodyfat has also gone from 34.2 percent down to 33.5 percent.
People have even begun to notice my slimming shape and have commented on it.
It wouldn't hurt you to try this for a month just to see.
So you lost 6 lbs in a month. Do you know how else you could have lost 6 lbs in a month? By eating literally any food that added up to the number of calories that gives you a 750 calorie deficit.
Common sense has no place in this thread!
Sorry
Senior moment - I wandered in here and forgot where I was.
Oh yeah, I was supposed to go into the kitchen and stare lovingly at what's left of the strawberry pie I've been eating all weekend while hitting my calorie goal!8 -
Wanted to give an update.
I started this on the 16th (of May) and recorded my weight at 161lb. By the 23rd (last Tuesday), I lost 3lb. That's when I decided that I should measure.
Last Friday (the 26th of May) was when the 2nd three day cycle was over, and I had lost 3 inches around the waist and a total of 3lb (158lb down to 155lb) since that Tuesday (the 23rd; three days before)
Today, on the 30th of May, I measured/weighed again:
I did not lose anymore pounds from this last Friday, but I did lose an inch off my hips, an inch off my thigh, and inch off my ribs and also an inch off my bust. Strangely, I grew an inch around my waist, so I'm not sure if my fat has shifted (doubtful), or if I'm retaining water (I hurt my ankle real bad last week, so I haven't been drinking like I should to avoid the excessive amount if bathroom trips).
So in two weeks I have lost a healthy six pounds (161 to 155) and a few inches of fat here and there from my body (2 inches from both the waist and ribs and an inch each from the hips, thighs, bust)-- I'm also a size smaller. My bodyfat has also gone from 34.2 percent down to 33.5 percent.
People have even begun to notice my slimming shape and have commented on it.
It wouldn't hurt you to try this for a month just to see.
It also wouldn't hurt for people to:
1. Enter their stats in MFP and select an appropriate goal rate of loss in order to obtain a calorie target
2. Eat a variety of foods they enjoy within that calorie target, focusing on things that provide nutrition (macro and micro nutrients), satiety and enjoyment
3. Log everything they eat as accurately as possible, ideally using a food scale
4. Exercise and eat at least a portion of those calories back to fuel their activity level
5. Be patient and have reasonable expectations about weight loss, not falling for diet fads and myths perpetuated by the weight loss industry looking to profit off of individuals who feel they need something to follow in order to be successful.16 -
MissusMoon wrote: »I'm surprised this thread made it to page 2 as this unhealthy diet is usually deleted when mentioned. I've ignored the forums for a while, so who knows. OP, don't freaking do it. MFP is here with calorie counts and a good database.
The mods deleted military diet threads when they thought it was a VLCD. Then someone did the math and pointed out it wasn't actually Very Low (just low), so they've been leaving them up since.4
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