June 2017 Running Challenge
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VydorScope wrote: »At least 80% of all your miles (or minutes if you go by time) should be easy or recovery (no faster than conversational pace). If you do any more, it's a recipe for burn out and will stunt your training.
Interesting. This is the first I have seen anyone suggest this. My plan for the summer (well until this blasted heat wave hit) was to do my 3 to 5 "short" runs (6-8 miles) each week at race pace+a little (trying to get faster) and my long run at a slightly-harder-than-easy pace. Which without doing the math is probably way more than 20% at a hard pace
Is that a bad plan?
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Pastor Vincent
Just one data point, but going into my 3:08 at Pittsburgh last year (7:05ish pace) - as you mentioned interest in that race - my normal run was around a 10-11/mile pace. Did speed work once/week closer to MP (mostly yasso 800s, 400-800-1200-1600-1200-800-400 pyramids, and 1k repeats as well), weekly mileage was 40-55, and got in weekly long runs including 4 20-mile long runs (finishing the last 1/4 close to MP once every 2-3 weeks). Don't under-estimate the value of lots of long slow distance.
Mind you, I also raced Pittsburgh wearing bib #666 in full devil costume (w horns/tail/etc), so that part of my racing strategy might not be as advisable given your profession.7 -
VydorScope wrote: »You also mention that you have a lot of hills where you live? That up's the stakes more. You must have built up a lot of leg strength. I live in the Huntsville Alabama area and it's easy to find hills around here. It's actually very hard to find a 10 mile run without encountering a bunch of hills unless you hit the greenways or run in research park.
I have a loop that runs through a park and the park is pretty flat. I run that loop when I am feeling pretty poorly, I think that route only has 400 or 500 feet of elevation pending the variation on the route. It is a 5-9 mile run, again pending some turns I make.
You can see the park pretty clearly heh. It is easy though for me to break 1000 feet, or more on longer runs even 2000 feet.
Keep in mind though the Pittsburgh Marathon, my one big race a year is not flat...
That hill at mile 13 kills me. I plan to be more ready for it next time.
So yeah, if pure leg strength was the secret, I probably would be sub 3 hours on a marathon by now
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Pastor Vincent
I know you're not "a runner", but ever thought to travel to run a race that is flatter?
Other's on this tread heard me say this, (and others' have their own variation).
Running is where one foot is ever on the ground and twice in your gait both feet are off the ground simultaneously. Walking is where one foot is always on the ground and twice in your gait both feet are on the ground. Jogging is when you find a dead body while running. So if you run, then you're a runner.
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@VydorScope
Since it looks like you will be doing the T workout for your Day 2, I figure I would arm you with a bunch of good information on how that works. It's quite a bit of reading, but very free.
The Three Energy Systems Used in Running
http://runnersconnect.net/running-nutrition-articles/energy-systems-running/
How lactic acid really works: The science of fatigue and lactate
http://runnersconnect.net/running-training-articles/science-of-lactic-acid/
What is lactate clearance and how can it help you run faster
http://runnersconnect.net/coach-corner/lactate-clearance/
What is Lactate Threshold
http://runnersconnect.net/running-training-articles/what-is-lactate-threshold/
velocity at Lactate Threshold
http://www.dubbostampede.com.au/training-1/lactate-threshold-lt-and-velocity-at-lactate-threshold-vlt
Jack Daniels on Threshold Traininghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxJVtPT6rHo
Sage Canaday at VO2Max Productions
(Part 1 - LT Training/Tempo Runs Correct Pace/Intensity)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j3XWp5fjx0
(Part 2 - Examples of Workouts)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYewLhJMex8
The 20 minute Tempo Runhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg28i_IikGM
McMillan 3 types of Tempo workouts (Videos):
Tempo Runs
https://www.mcmillanrunning.com/how-to-tempo-runs/
Tempo Intervals
https://www.mcmillanrunning.com/how-to-tempo-intervals/
Steady State Run
https://www.mcmillanrunning.com/how-to-steady-state-runs/
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I know you're not "a runner", but ever thought to travel to run a race that is flatter?
It is a function of time really. As you probably can guess my Sunday's are booked for the foreseeable future and many big races are on Sunday's. I take the one Sunday for the Marathon, and pretty much nothing else. If I could find a race I could travel to and be back Saturday evening I would consider it. I have done a few flatter 5k and 10k races. All within an hour drive.
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Pastor Vincent1 -
Funny, most of the races here are on Saturdays. A few on Sundays. I have the luxury of being in a running town community where there is always something going on every weekend within a reasonable driving distance.
Others on this thread who live close to you in Pittsburg may suggest other races worth traveling to.1 -
@VydorScope
Since it looks like you will be doing the T workout for your Day 2, I figure I would arm you with a bunch of good information on how that works. It's quite a bit of reading, but very free.
Thanks! I watched a bunch of videos with that guy in the red shirt earlier today. Could not help but wonder if was going to be killed off at some point though.1 -
Funny, most of the races here are on Saturdays. A few on Sundays. I have the luxury of being in a running town community where there is always something going on every weekend within a reasonable driving distance.
Others on this thread who live close to you in Pittsburg may suggest other races worth traveling to.
When I lived in Virginia that was the case. All the big races were on Saturday. Was much easier on meThe VA Ten miler was brutal, the last mile and half was all uphill. It was on a more than one list of races to avoid. heh.
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Pastor Vincent2 -
Wow @VydorScope, that is a seriously great link!!
I had to quickly browse through the rest of the posts due to time. So sorry!!
I did check that test @skippygirlsmom posted, I got a 6. The 6 I have never are:
1. Been lost while running. I have lived in this area my whole life. I have no idea how I could get lost. I could just start walking some direction and eventually figure out where I am.
2. Been kicked off a treadmill. to be fair, I don't use them though.
3. Ran a beer mile. I have enjoyed beers at the end of higher mileage events though.
4. Ate lunch while running. Seriously? How is that possible?
5. Ran an Ultra. I do hope to be able to do this someday though.
6. Thought about Leadville. I have looked it up though. I'm just nowhere near ready for anything like that, and quite possibly never will be. If I get to where I can run 100 miles, then maybe that will be a consideration.
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@SpiritHippo thanks for asking that question and everyone for their answers! I fear that I'm going to have to get over my loathing of early morning workouts to be more consistent with running. The couple times I got up early it's been really nice to run in the cool weather and get it over with early. This week kind of fell apart and I've only done one run so far. Poor planning on my part! I'm going to have to do better to reach my 50-mile goal this month!
@VydorScope, thanks for sharing your story. It's both sad and wonderful.1 -
skippygirlsmom wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »@skippygirlsmom 11 but it will be 9 or lower by october
@MNlittlefinn how is your number going down?
Read it wrong... thought it was 1 point for each thing I haven't done... I haven't done 11 of them, but I'll be doing 2 of those by october....1 -
For those of you who are very bored on Saturday between the hours of 0800 and 1230 CST:
http://www.grandmasmarathon.com/marathon-weekend/runner-tracking/
Bib 4478
Thank you all for all the support as I've been training for my first full.15 -
WK 6.12.17 - 6.18.17
M - 10 miles - Very warm day !
T - 7.1 miles - Low on energy tonight.
W - 10.6 miles - Better run today.
T - 9.9 m. - Slightly faster than yesterday
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S - * Half Marathon planned near CBus Ohio.
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Total - running Miles * Goal is a 55-60 mile running week.5 -
I kick a treadmill every time I see one. I feel like I should get a point for that.6
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1---5.06
3---6.31
4---6.29
6---3.69 walk
7---4.37
9---3.76
10---6.34
11---5.19
13---3.64
15---3.56 walk
48.12/70
Upcoming races
June 17th Turtle run 5K
AIM for the Cure- 5K, virual run
July 8- XTERRA Jurassic Trail Run, 5K. Glen Rose,TX
Dec 2- POOP trail run, Hoping for a half! Norman OK.
Pre-op PR's
1 mile 8:27 5k 24:42. 10k 1:00.52. HM 2:17.28
Post-op Training PR's
1 mile 10:50 5k 37.46 10k 1:20.253 -
Have a great race @MNLittleFinn!!!0
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Sagerunning.com has a free aerobic 9 week base building plan, along with explanations of what different types of workouts are and an intensity chart. Its 100% free, I recommend checking it out for people who are interested.4
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MNLittleFinn wrote: »For those of you who are very bored on Saturday between the hours of 0800 and 1230 CST:
http://www.grandmasmarathon.com/marathon-weekend/runner-tracking/
Bib 4478
Thank you all for all the support as I've been training for my first full.
Good luck! In my acting days we would say "break a leg" but honestly, that sounds just as bad here as it did back then!
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Pastor Vincent1 -
All settled in our suite for the night. Packet pick up and expo were navigated with little trouble. I got my "finishers" shirt for the 5k, and the hooded sweatshirt for running the Great Grandma's Challenge.The expo was nice.
I have no experience with them having never been to one, so I have nothing to compare it too. There were about 100 booths that we walked through/around and were done in under the 30 minutes we had budgeted. One expo note, I stopped at the booth for the Ely Marathon, since I goaded my mother and brother to run it with me in September. I mentioned to the lady at the booth that I was registered for the full and had run the half last year, and she gave me a free hat!
Eating/carb loading was better today, though still not that great. ate roughly 540 grams of carbs, which put them at 68% of my calories. My wife, who is awesome got us a supreme pizza for dinner, so I know that knocked my carb percentage down.... I'm just glad I got the amount of carbs correct, if not the percentage. Tomorrow I'll do better hopefully. This is a HUGE learning experience for me, so I'll have this to look back on for next time.
Just kind of chilling with my feet up now and will get to bed early tonight and then, hopefully, sleep in tomorrow. Hope you all had a runderful day!4 -
6/01 - 7.02 miles @ 9:53
6/03 - 10k Race - 50:56 - 8:14
6/03 - 5k Race - 27:06 - 8: 35 (back to back with 10k, 7 mins rest between)
6/05 - 6.51 miles @ 10:31
6/06 - 6.02 miles @ 9:39
6/07 - 6.02 miles @ 9:30
6/08 - 7.01 miles @ 9:37
6/10 - 15 miles @ 10:46
6/11 - 9.01 miles @ 10:36 - 90+ degree weather, ran slow to compensate
6/12 - 8.01 miles @ 10:38 - 90+ degree weather, ran slow to compensate
6/13 - Thinderstorms forced rest day
6/14 - 10 miles @10:50 w/ 894' evevation - very humid could not maintain pace
6/14 - 5 miles @11:06 - second run later in day when not as hot
6/15 - 9 miles @ 10:58
Summer Goal: Get my marathon pace below 9 minutes.
Official Marathon PR: 4:11:28
Next Races (more as I find them):
07/28/17 - Liberty Mile - 1 mile race just to see what a short run really is
10/14/17 - Stop, Drop, and Run - Fireman style obstacle course - 5km
05/06/18 - Pittsburgh Marathon - aiming for sub four hours.
So I started out with grand intentions of running some kind of actual work out. Then the humidity smacked up the side the face and was all "nope!" on me. After the first mile or 2, I was so soaked that it did not matter that it rained on me TWICE - I could not get any wetter. I wear tech socks, tech underwear, tech shirt, well you get the idea and none of it matters. So I just ran 9 miles at a slow pace and will try again tomorrow. Might just work on miles per week until the humidity breaks. Plan to run tomorrow, then Saturday will be a rest day (company coming over) - so hoping for at least 15 miles on Sunday.
But figure I did earn a bowl of ice cream at least5 -
June 15 - 3.1 miles
June total - 43.3/50
Started reading the 80/20 book and really slowed down my run today. Very interesting stuff. From initially reading I can tell that I was doing all my running at least at moderate intensity and virtually none in the easy aerobic range. Can't say I look forward to the longer duration to complete distances, but I definitely am not as exhausted after finishing this evening. Hope everyone is staying injury free.6
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