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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »
And that is all because a certain % of the population make personal choices that are destructive. Lot's don't. These things are amoral. They have no ability to make choices or make people do things by their existence.Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »VioletRojo wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Denying the existence of a Cake Culture seems a little silly when the mere mention of "cake" inspires multiple pages of passionate gushing over cake and other desserts...
I think what is being denied is that Cake Culture is a bad thing.
Or that "Cake Culture" (seriously?... ok...) is responsible for obesity.
I don't think that It is responsible for obesity - but for a lot of people, it enables and perpetuates obesity.
I respectfully disagree. It doesn't "do" anything. It's just an inanimate food object. Peoples choices enable and perpetuate obesity. If you are obese, you know you should not be overindulging in cake.
Once someone is obese, they probably have insulin sensitivity issues that help keep them obese. But, cake doesn't enable and perpetuate anything. It's just a kind of food. We have all kinds of foods around us every day everywhere we go. It's all about people making choices.
Yes food is an inanimate object, as are cigarettes, alcohol, and drugs. And yet millions of people are overweight, smoke, are alcoholics, and are drug addicts - tell them to knock it off.
Peer pressure and the need for social acceptance play an enormous role in addiction. I don’t find the value in stuffing my face with cake with obese people or doing shots at the bar with alcoholics, even though I am not obese and not an alcoholic. There are social events that can further relationship building without perpetuating destructive habits.
As to the 2nd bolded line, I'd say that depends on the event. If were talking about someone bringing baked goods into work, I think the "cake culture" analogy has been drawn to a ridiculous extreme if it is called "destructive habits". Destructive for whom? Are we really attempting to reduce what has happened with obesity over the last 75 years to people bringing cake into the office. Absurd really.
Totally missing my point. If people want to eat cake until they literally explode at work every day they are perfectly free to do that. If an alcoholic wants to drown himself in vodka that is his business. You can smoke until your lungs are two lumps of charred coal, have at it. I just don’t care to perpetuate it or glorify it.
Who eats cake every day?? Seriously?
I see cake in the office maybe once a year when someone retires.
Every day and once a year both seem almost unbelievably extreme examples. We have cake occasionally. Often just leftovers someone brings in from a home party. We have food frequently. Donuts and leftover pizza are the most common.
Also, our company hosts a lot of meetings so leftovers from a catered lunch is very common, though obviously that would not apply to every office.
We have food available probably monthly or so. Cake, however, tends to only be provided on special occasions (such as a retirement or when the boss is getting married). So yeah, I get access to cake at work about once a year.
That's not to say that only one person a year retires from my company. Just that, because I don't work in Accounting, I don't get invited to cake when Susan in Accounting retires.
People don't tend to bring leftovers into the office to share here. Something just seemingly unsanitary in that. If someone brings in treats to work, they were either made specifically to bring in or it's something like cookies or muffins that are individual servings. I don't think I've ever seen someone bring in a half eaten cake.
Seems like that would be like bringing in a half eaten bag of chips for a snack day...1 -
Don't know what the point is from those saying they've never ( as far as they know) offended anyone by turning down treats in the office. Are you all saying that because you haven't encountered it, it doesn't or can't happen? Or what?
I'm saying that kind of behavior (acting all offended) is rude or is the problem, not someone bringing in cookies.
And yes, I also think it is to some degree imagined or assumed that it will happen (I can't say no, so and so will be upset, when so and so likely couldn't care less), although I am not saying it never happens. People do all kinds of weird and rude things. If someone acted offended because I didn't want to eat a piece of cake, I'd just laugh and make a joke of it, probably. (Sorry, after I hit 39 I stopped believing in birthdays so I can't have cake for others, but HAPPY BIRTHDAY, and then change the subject: "how's your son's soccer going"? "Did you see that NIU/Nebraska game?")3 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »
And that is all because a certain % of the population make personal choices that are destructive. Lot's don't. These things are amoral. They have no ability to make choices or make people do things by their existence.Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »VioletRojo wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Denying the existence of a Cake Culture seems a little silly when the mere mention of "cake" inspires multiple pages of passionate gushing over cake and other desserts...
I think what is being denied is that Cake Culture is a bad thing.
Or that "Cake Culture" (seriously?... ok...) is responsible for obesity.
I don't think that It is responsible for obesity - but for a lot of people, it enables and perpetuates obesity.
I respectfully disagree. It doesn't "do" anything. It's just an inanimate food object. Peoples choices enable and perpetuate obesity. If you are obese, you know you should not be overindulging in cake.
Once someone is obese, they probably have insulin sensitivity issues that help keep them obese. But, cake doesn't enable and perpetuate anything. It's just a kind of food. We have all kinds of foods around us every day everywhere we go. It's all about people making choices.
Yes food is an inanimate object, as are cigarettes, alcohol, and drugs. And yet millions of people are overweight, smoke, are alcoholics, and are drug addicts - tell them to knock it off.
Peer pressure and the need for social acceptance play an enormous role in addiction. I don’t find the value in stuffing my face with cake with obese people or doing shots at the bar with alcoholics, even though I am not obese and not an alcoholic. There are social events that can further relationship building without perpetuating destructive habits.
As to the 2nd bolded line, I'd say that depends on the event. If were talking about someone bringing baked goods into work, I think the "cake culture" analogy has been drawn to a ridiculous extreme if it is called "destructive habits". Destructive for whom? Are we really attempting to reduce what has happened with obesity over the last 75 years to people bringing cake into the office. Absurd really.
Totally missing my point. If people want to eat cake until they literally explode at work every day they are perfectly free to do that. If an alcoholic wants to drown himself in vodka that is his business. You can smoke until your lungs are two lumps of charred coal, have at it. I just don’t care to perpetuate it or glorify it.
Who eats cake every day?? Seriously?
I see cake in the office maybe once a year when someone retires.
Every day and once a year both seem almost unbelievably extreme examples. We have cake occasionally. Often just leftovers someone brings in from a home party. We have food frequently. Donuts and leftover pizza are the most common.
Also, our company hosts a lot of meetings so leftovers from a catered lunch is very common, though obviously that would not apply to every office.
I agree everyday and 1x a year is extreme.
In my office there is cake in our department at least 1x a month...at least. Then there is cake for company wide things at least 4x a year...never mind the other things like popcorn or bbq's that take place....there was a grilled cheese food truck here and we got it for free.
Now on the other side....call centre side I bet they get treats at least 1x a week...not joking. Chips, chocolate bars, cakes, caramel corn, cotton candy, waffles with syrup etc.
so Yah on that side it's an issue and that side is the one with the biggest weight issues....1 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »The claim that people are celebrating/defending "cake culture" is a false dichotomy.
Several of us commented on the fact that we like cake (or pie if you prefer) but no one is saying "Yay! Cake culture is the best!"
What we are actually doing is debating:
1) The existence of a legitimate "cake culture"
2) The prevalence of "cake culture" if it is a real thing
3) Whether cake and/or other treats in the office are actually significant contributors to obesity
Oh, and here I was thinking the thread was just to express opinions. Maybe there should be a separate thread to debate those three items? My take would be 1) yes, 2) fairly common, and 3) needs further research because it is calorific snacking combined with inactivity for long portions of the day.3 -
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Bry_Lander wrote: »
And that is all because a certain % of the population make personal choices that are destructive. Lot's don't. These things are amoral. They have no ability to make choices or make people do things by their existence.Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »VioletRojo wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Denying the existence of a Cake Culture seems a little silly when the mere mention of "cake" inspires multiple pages of passionate gushing over cake and other desserts...
I think what is being denied is that Cake Culture is a bad thing.
Or that "Cake Culture" (seriously?... ok...) is responsible for obesity.
I don't think that It is responsible for obesity - but for a lot of people, it enables and perpetuates obesity.
I respectfully disagree. It doesn't "do" anything. It's just an inanimate food object. Peoples choices enable and perpetuate obesity. If you are obese, you know you should not be overindulging in cake.
Once someone is obese, they probably have insulin sensitivity issues that help keep them obese. But, cake doesn't enable and perpetuate anything. It's just a kind of food. We have all kinds of foods around us every day everywhere we go. It's all about people making choices.
Yes food is an inanimate object, as are cigarettes, alcohol, and drugs. And yet millions of people are overweight, smoke, are alcoholics, and are drug addicts - tell them to knock it off.
Peer pressure and the need for social acceptance play an enormous role in addiction. I don’t find the value in stuffing my face with cake with obese people or doing shots at the bar with alcoholics, even though I am not obese and not an alcoholic. There are social events that can further relationship building without perpetuating destructive habits.
As to the 2nd bolded line, I'd say that depends on the event. If were talking about someone bringing baked goods into work, I think the "cake culture" analogy has been drawn to a ridiculous extreme if it is called "destructive habits". Destructive for whom? Are we really attempting to reduce what has happened with obesity over the last 75 years to people bringing cake into the office. Absurd really.
Totally missing my point. If people want to eat cake until they literally explode at work every day they are perfectly free to do that. If an alcoholic wants to drown himself in vodka that is his business. You can smoke until your lungs are two lumps of charred coal, have at it. I just don’t care to perpetuate it or glorify it.
I don't see anyone glorifying any of the things you mention. What I do see is people defending the right to celebrate special occasions with co-workers. When we have potlucks at work, some people bring brownies, some bring cookies, and I normally try to bring a healthier option. I may or may not have a brownie, but whether I do or not that choice is up to me. If I were to get obese it would be wrong of me to point to that brownie and blame the food, or someone else for me getting fat. If someone thinks it is "not nice" of others to bring in treats then they have some serious issues with food that need to be addressed. My local grocery store sells cake. Are they perpetuating obesity? Are they promoting bad choices? Nobody, not your employer, or your co-workers, or even your friends has any responsibility to manage your diet. That responsibility lies with you alone, yet all over MFP I see people blaming everyone else for their obesity except themselves.14 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »
And that is all because a certain % of the population make personal choices that are destructive. Lot's don't. These things are amoral. They have no ability to make choices or make people do things by their existence.Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »VioletRojo wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Denying the existence of a Cake Culture seems a little silly when the mere mention of "cake" inspires multiple pages of passionate gushing over cake and other desserts...
I think what is being denied is that Cake Culture is a bad thing.
Or that "Cake Culture" (seriously?... ok...) is responsible for obesity.
I don't think that It is responsible for obesity - but for a lot of people, it enables and perpetuates obesity.
I respectfully disagree. It doesn't "do" anything. It's just an inanimate food object. Peoples choices enable and perpetuate obesity. If you are obese, you know you should not be overindulging in cake.
Once someone is obese, they probably have insulin sensitivity issues that help keep them obese. But, cake doesn't enable and perpetuate anything. It's just a kind of food. We have all kinds of foods around us every day everywhere we go. It's all about people making choices.
Yes food is an inanimate object, as are cigarettes, alcohol, and drugs. And yet millions of people are overweight, smoke, are alcoholics, and are drug addicts - tell them to knock it off.
Peer pressure and the need for social acceptance play an enormous role in addiction. I don’t find the value in stuffing my face with cake with obese people or doing shots at the bar with alcoholics, even though I am not obese and not an alcoholic. There are social events that can further relationship building without perpetuating destructive habits.
As to the 2nd bolded line, I'd say that depends on the event. If were talking about someone bringing baked goods into work, I think the "cake culture" analogy has been drawn to a ridiculous extreme if it is called "destructive habits". Destructive for whom? Are we really attempting to reduce what has happened with obesity over the last 75 years to people bringing cake into the office. Absurd really.
Totally missing my point. If people want to eat cake until they literally explode at work every day they are perfectly free to do that. If an alcoholic wants to drown himself in vodka that is his business. You can smoke until your lungs are two lumps of charred coal, have at it. I just don’t care to perpetuate it or glorify it.
Who eats cake every day?? Seriously?
I see cake in the office maybe once a year when someone retires.
Every day and once a year both seem almost unbelievably extreme examples. We have cake occasionally. Often just leftovers someone brings in from a home party. We have food frequently. Donuts and leftover pizza are the most common.
Also, our company hosts a lot of meetings so leftovers from a catered lunch is very common, though obviously that would not apply to every office.
I agree everyday and 1x a year is extreme.
In my office there is cake in our department at least 1x a month...at least. Then there is cake for company wide things at least 4x a year...never mind the other things like popcorn or bbq's that take place....there was a grilled cheese food truck here and we got it for free.
Now on the other side....call centre side I bet they get treats at least 1x a week...not joking. Chips, chocolate bars, cakes, caramel corn, cotton candy, waffles with syrup etc.
so Yah on that side it's an issue and that side is the one with the biggest weight issues....
Could be you're confusing cause with affect.
Perhaps it's not a case of "call center employees are fat because of all the snacks in the call center."
Maybe what's really happening is "the call center employees are primarily overweight individuals who engage in unhealthy eating habits which leads to them bringing in lots of treats on a frequent basis."8 -
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Carlos_421 wrote: »The claim that people are celebrating/defending "cake culture" is a false dichotomy.
Several of us commented on the fact that we like cake (or pie if you prefer) but no one is saying "Yay! Cake culture is the best!"
What we are actually doing is debating:
1) The existence of a legitimate "cake culture"
2) The prevalence of "cake culture" if it is a real thing
3) Whether cake and/or other treats in the office are actually significant contributors to obesity
Oh, and here I was thinking the thread was just to express opinions. Maybe there should be a separate thread to debate those three items? My take would be 1) yes, 2) fairly common, and 3) needs further research because it is calorific snacking combined with inactivity for long portions of the day.
This thread is also in the Debate forum. You expressed an unpopular opinion about "cake culture." Now we're debating it. To say that our debating your opinion is the same as "defending cake culture" is false.8 -
This is really funny. The opinion that is unpopular on a calorie counting, weight watching forum is one that thinks cake culture in unhealthy and not nice. Whereas the opinion that IS popular is the cake culture is perfectly healthy (in moderation and with personal accountability) and representative of people being nice and kind. Cake culture is strong on this site. Lol....
Now I'm chuckling every time I read "cake culture". It just seems to me like a silly made up thing by some PH.D. with too much free time.12 -
"Cake culture" = mind boggling. If your cake has culture, it's time to throw it out, or make your own penicillin.
I don't understand the need to bubble wrap the world to protect those who can't/won't control themselves. Stop worrying about offending others, do what you feel is best for you. Have a slice, or don't. But stop blaming everyone else.17 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »The claim that people are celebrating/defending "cake culture" is a false dichotomy.
Several of us commented on the fact that we like cake (or pie if you prefer) but no one is saying "Yay! Cake culture is the best!"
What we are actually doing is debating:
1) The existence of a legitimate "cake culture"
2) The prevalence of "cake culture" if it is a real thing
3) Whether cake and/or other treats in the office are actually significant contributors to obesity
Oh, and here I was thinking the thread was just to express opinions. Maybe there should be a separate thread to debate those three items? My take would be 1) yes, 2) fairly common, and 3) needs further research because it is calorific snacking combined with inactivity for long portions of the day.
This thread is also in the Debate forum. You expressed an unpopular opinion about "cake culture." Now we're debating it. To say that our debating your opinion is the same as "defending cake culture" is false.
So, Carlos, in "debating" you only post statements supportive of cake culture, how is that not "defending" cake culture? I don't see how my statement is false. Unless you've posted something critical of cake culture, and I've missed it.... generally a debate has two sides....and each side defends their point of view.
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Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »The claim that people are celebrating/defending "cake culture" is a false dichotomy.
Several of us commented on the fact that we like cake (or pie if you prefer) but no one is saying "Yay! Cake culture is the best!"
What we are actually doing is debating:
1) The existence of a legitimate "cake culture"
2) The prevalence of "cake culture" if it is a real thing
3) Whether cake and/or other treats in the office are actually significant contributors to obesity
Oh, and here I was thinking the thread was just to express opinions. Maybe there should be a separate thread to debate those three items? My take would be 1) yes, 2) fairly common, and 3) needs further research because it is calorific snacking combined with inactivity for long portions of the day.
This thread is also in the Debate forum. You expressed an unpopular opinion about "cake culture." Now we're debating it. To say that our debating your opinion is the same as "defending cake culture" is false.
Cake culture denialism at it's finest.
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VintageFeline wrote: »I was amused just now. I get most of my meat from an awesome online supplier in the UK and my latest box jut arrived. I got a free "healthy" snack tester. I shall include a picture. 1. It's a 180 calorie bomb. 2. It's tiny. 3. It tastes like *kitten*. Or at least what I imagine *kitten* to taste like.
Pass the cake.
Jesus, that looks like the bottom of our rabbit cage trays when we clean them out. Turds mixed with hay and spilled pellets and seeds. Mmmm...healthy!3 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »
And that is all because a certain % of the population make personal choices that are destructive. Lot's don't. These things are amoral. They have no ability to make choices or make people do things by their existence.Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »VioletRojo wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Denying the existence of a Cake Culture seems a little silly when the mere mention of "cake" inspires multiple pages of passionate gushing over cake and other desserts...
I think what is being denied is that Cake Culture is a bad thing.
Or that "Cake Culture" (seriously?... ok...) is responsible for obesity.
I don't think that It is responsible for obesity - but for a lot of people, it enables and perpetuates obesity.
I respectfully disagree. It doesn't "do" anything. It's just an inanimate food object. Peoples choices enable and perpetuate obesity. If you are obese, you know you should not be overindulging in cake.
Once someone is obese, they probably have insulin sensitivity issues that help keep them obese. But, cake doesn't enable and perpetuate anything. It's just a kind of food. We have all kinds of foods around us every day everywhere we go. It's all about people making choices.
Yes food is an inanimate object, as are cigarettes, alcohol, and drugs. And yet millions of people are overweight, smoke, are alcoholics, and are drug addicts - tell them to knock it off.
Peer pressure and the need for social acceptance play an enormous role in addiction. I don’t find the value in stuffing my face with cake with obese people or doing shots at the bar with alcoholics, even though I am not obese and not an alcoholic. There are social events that can further relationship building without perpetuating destructive habits.
As to the 2nd bolded line, I'd say that depends on the event. If were talking about someone bringing baked goods into work, I think the "cake culture" analogy has been drawn to a ridiculous extreme if it is called "destructive habits". Destructive for whom? Are we really attempting to reduce what has happened with obesity over the last 75 years to people bringing cake into the office. Absurd really.
Totally missing my point. If people want to eat cake until they literally explode at work every day they are perfectly free to do that. If an alcoholic wants to drown himself in vodka that is his business. You can smoke until your lungs are two lumps of charred coal, have at it. I just don’t care to perpetuate it or glorify it.
Who eats cake every day?? Seriously?
I see cake in the office maybe once a year when someone retires.
Every day and once a year both seem almost unbelievably extreme examples. We have cake occasionally. Often just leftovers someone brings in from a home party. We have food frequently. Donuts and leftover pizza are the most common.
Also, our company hosts a lot of meetings so leftovers from a catered lunch is very common, though obviously that would not apply to every office.
I agree everyday and 1x a year is extreme.
In my office there is cake in our department at least 1x a month...at least. Then there is cake for company wide things at least 4x a year...never mind the other things like popcorn or bbq's that take place....there was a grilled cheese food truck here and we got it for free.
Now on the other side....call centre side I bet they get treats at least 1x a week...not joking. Chips, chocolate bars, cakes, caramel corn, cotton candy, waffles with syrup etc.
so Yah on that side it's an issue and that side is the one with the biggest weight issues....
Could be you're confusing cause with affect.
Perhaps it's not a case of "call center employees are fat because of all the snacks in the call center."
Maybe what's really happening is "the call center employees are primarily overweight individuals who engage in unhealthy eating habits which leads to them bringing in lots of treats on a frequent basis."
I don't think that they are overweight due to what the company provides them no....they are overweight/obese because they are...(I won't even guess why) but the cake culture isn't helping it...it is very readily available when it's being delivered to your desk...after your order was taken...smh.
but my point was this...as a company knowing this we (the company) continue to provide them with high calorie treats very frequently....we as the company should maybe stop it...stop the abundance of "cake culture" that is so high in that area of the business vs the other side.
as I've said no issue with cake/treats for employees but it doesn't need to be 1x a week or more...6 -
Don't know what the point is from those saying they've never ( as far as they know) offended anyone by turning down treats in the office. Are you all saying that because you haven't encountered it, it doesn't or can't happen? Or what?
I'm saying it because I don't care if I offend someone for turning down food. If you (the general you, not you specifically) bring cake into the office and I don't eat it, I'm not going to care if you get offended. Your offense over something so insignificant is your issue, not mine.
I bring in treats to the office a few times a year. It has never occurred to me to be offended when someone doesn't eat my food.7 -
Cake and treats in the office, "cake culture," is a SYMPTOM of a wider societal ignorance and lack of concern for health and fitness.
Agree.
It is another example of, for the most part, mindless eating, which we all know is a significant factor for many people's weight gain. "I'll have some because it's there".5 -
I believe human beings have been misclassified as omnivores and that we are actually carnivores (this would take paragraphs to explain, especially since it *appears* that it is possible to be a 'healthy vegan'), and essentially for alot of people it is impossible to be healthy without eating red meat alot more than what is recommended in mainstream views of human nutrition.
The existence of healthy vegans does appear to be a fairly obvious obstacle your opinion needs to overcome.7 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »The claim that people are celebrating/defending "cake culture" is a false dichotomy.
Several of us commented on the fact that we like cake (or pie if you prefer) but no one is saying "Yay! Cake culture is the best!"
What we are actually doing is debating:
1) The existence of a legitimate "cake culture"
2) The prevalence of "cake culture" if it is a real thing
3) Whether cake and/or other treats in the office are actually significant contributors to obesity
Oh, and here I was thinking the thread was just to express opinions. Maybe there should be a separate thread to debate those three items? My take would be 1) yes, 2) fairly common, and 3) needs further research because it is calorific snacking combined with inactivity for long portions of the day.
This thread is also in the Debate forum. You expressed an unpopular opinion about "cake culture." Now we're debating it. To say that our debating your opinion is the same as "defending cake culture" is false.
So, Carlos, in "debating" 1) you only post statements supportive of cake culture, 2) how is that not "defending" cake culture? 3) I don't see how my statement is false. Unless you've posted something critical of cake culture, and I've missed it.... 4) generally a debate has two sides....and each side defends their point of view.
1) No, I have not. That's what I'm telling you. I'm not "supporting" cake culture. I'm disputing it's existence (as well as it's prevalence and impact on obesity if it does exist).
2) It's hard to defend something while arguing that it isn't real.
3) If you still don't understand how it's false to say that I "support" cake culture when I'm disputing its very existence then I'm afraid I can't help you. It's like saying that I support the zombie apocalypse because I told you that it isn't real. "Oh, Carlos says I'm wrong that the zombies are a problem! He's defending the zombies!"
4) Actually, a debate can have many sides, especially when it has many participants. Just because I don't agree with your viewpoint doesn't automatically mean I subscribe to what you perceive as the opposing viewpoint. Just because I debate your assertion that "cake culture" is a horrible thing doesn't mean I take the stance that "cake culture" is a wonderful thing to be embraced and celebrated. It could be (and is) that my stance is that "cake culture" is a silly concept not grounded in reality and that the reality it's based on (people do bring treats to work) is entirely insignificant (generally speaking) in regards to the factors that actually contribute to obesity.19
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