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jamesakrobinson wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »If someone says they enjoy working out, one (or more) of the three following situations exists:
1} They're lying
2) They're a masochist
3) They're doing it wrong
apparently I am walking incorrectly..gotcha. (note to self correct walking)
and swimming wrong but that typically means you drown....interesting...
LOL different ideas of what "working out" means I guess. I call those exercising... related but not the same.
Well, now that the sport vs. whatever discussion has ended, what's the difference between "working out" and "exercising"? I'd call them synonyms.
Training is a subset of both.
IMO, all three can be enjoyable, but I'm sure I do it wrong and all that. ;-)3 -
This very moment... I'm suffering DOMS from Saturday's back work, and I know I have DOMS from yesterday's squats to look forward to tomorrow before this is completely subsided... and I am going to be hitting chest and shoulders with my daughter this afternoon, so there's Wednesday's pain to anticipate...
You choose. I might be a masochist? I don't actually enjoy the working out part, but I do like the health and strength. If I could have the benefits without the hard work and pain I would be delighted... but they wouldn't be as valuable would they?7 -
jamesakrobinson wrote: »This very moment... I'm suffering DOMS from Saturday's back work, and I know I have DOMS from yesterday's squats to look forward to tomorrow before this is completely subsided... and I am going to be hitting chest and shower with my daughter this afternoon, so there's Wednesday's pain to anticipate...
You choose. I might be a masochist? I don't actually enjoy the working out part, but I do like the health and strength. If I could have the benefits without the hard work and pain I would be delighted... but they wouldn't be as valuable would they?
And that's you...3 -
jamesakrobinson wrote: »This very moment... I'm suffering DOMS from Saturday's back work, and I know I have DOMS from yesterday's squats to look forward to tomorrow before this is completely subsided... and I am going to be hitting chest and shower with my daughter this afternoon, so there's Wednesday's pain to anticipate...
You choose. I might be a masochist? I don't actually enjoy the working out part, but I do like the health and strength. If I could have the benefits without the hard work and pain I would be delighted... but they wouldn't be as valuable would they?
but if you didn't hurt, how would you know that your workout was hard enough to be effective?
Personally, I know that if I don't feel sore, I need to add additional movements or raise the weights more than expected.3 -
jamesakrobinson wrote: »If someone says they enjoy working out, one (or more) of the three following situations exists:
1} They're lying
2) They're a masochist
3) They're doing it wrong
I tend to agree - I enjoy the results, so I endure the hard work. It is a stretch to say that I "enjoy" pushing heavy things around at 5am when most people are sleeping or running the streets when it is 40 degrees, I can think of thousands of things that would be more enjoyable while I am actually doing it.
If working out was so enjoyable, there wouldn't be so many overweight people, right?6 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »If someone says they enjoy working out, one (or more) of the three following situations exists:
1} They're lying
2) They're a masochist
3) They're doing it wrong
I tend to agree - I enjoy the results, so I endure the hard work. It is a stretch to say that I "enjoy" pushing heavy things around at 5am when most people are sleeping or running the streets when it is 40 degrees, I can think of thousands of things that would be more enjoyable while I am actually doing it.
If working out was so enjoyable, there wouldn't be so many overweight people, right?
Not if you still can't get your diet under control...4 -
jamesakrobinson wrote: »This very moment... I'm suffering DOMS from Saturday's back work, and I know I have DOMS from yesterday's squats to look forward to tomorrow before this is completely subsided... and I am going to be hitting chest and shower with my daughter this afternoon, so there's Wednesday's pain to anticipate...
You choose. I might be a masochist? I don't actually enjoy the working out part, but I do like the health and strength. If I could have the benefits without the hard work and pain I would be delighted... but they wouldn't be as valuable would they?
And that's you...
LOL You've just confirmed a portion of my premise by implying that you like the pain! Pick a position. You can't prove me right while typing your dissenting opinion!
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jamesakrobinson wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »This very moment... I'm suffering DOMS from Saturday's back work, and I know I have DOMS from yesterday's squats to look forward to tomorrow before this is completely subsided... and I am going to be hitting chest and shower with my daughter this afternoon, so there's Wednesday's pain to anticipate...
You choose. I might be a masochist? I don't actually enjoy the working out part, but I do like the health and strength. If I could have the benefits without the hard work and pain I would be delighted... but they wouldn't be as valuable would they?
And that's you...
LOL You've just confirmed a portion of my premise by implying that you like the pain! Pick a position. You can't prove me right while typing your dissenting opinion!
You are drawing conclusions based on your own personal preference. You are viewing it through the lens of your experience. Not everyone sees things the way you do...2 -
jamesakrobinson wrote: »This very moment... I'm suffering DOMS from Saturday's back work, and I know I have DOMS from yesterday's squats to look forward to tomorrow before this is completely subsided... and I am going to be hitting chest and shower with my daughter this afternoon, so there's Wednesday's pain to anticipate...
You choose. I might be a masochist? I don't actually enjoy the working out part, but I do like the health and strength. If I could have the benefits without the hard work and pain I would be delighted... but they wouldn't be as valuable would they?
So DOMS is what defines what working out is?
I've enjoyed plenty of activities that later resulted in DOMS.
I've also found that DOMS tends to have less to do with whether something is a "real workout" than either doing something new, starting up after a long time, or changing things up, which often are not the most intense workouts (although in some cases they might be).
I would disagree that you can only get the benefits of exercise by doing something painful (hard work and pain are not the same thing, also). I don't think it is bad -- or unenjoyable -- to do something that results in soreness, occasionally, or even not fun sometimes (I did a half ironman and during the run -- which was on a very hot day, unshaded, I was exhausted and sunburnt -- I was thinking "am I insane to do stuff like this"), but it being fun does not make it not a workout, that seems weird.
And I wouldn't call the half ironman "a workout," probably -- it was a race or event. The training that led up to it was mostly (not entirely) fun. And yes, I'm sure cardio doesn't count as working out or some such.6 -
jamesakrobinson wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »This very moment... I'm suffering DOMS from Saturday's back work, and I know I have DOMS from yesterday's squats to look forward to tomorrow before this is completely subsided... and I am going to be hitting chest and shower with my daughter this afternoon, so there's Wednesday's pain to anticipate...
You choose. I might be a masochist? I don't actually enjoy the working out part, but I do like the health and strength. If I could have the benefits without the hard work and pain I would be delighted... but they wouldn't be as valuable would they?
And that's you...
LOL You've just confirmed a portion of my premise by implying that you like the pain! Pick a position. You can't prove me right while typing your dissenting opinion!
You are drawing conclusions based on your own personal preference. You are viewing it through the lens of your experience. Not everyone sees things the way you do...
Thus the reason for the word "opinion" in the thread title.1 -
jamesakrobinson wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »This very moment... I'm suffering DOMS from Saturday's back work, and I know I have DOMS from yesterday's squats to look forward to tomorrow before this is completely subsided... and I am going to be hitting chest and shower with my daughter this afternoon, so there's Wednesday's pain to anticipate...
You choose. I might be a masochist? I don't actually enjoy the working out part, but I do like the health and strength. If I could have the benefits without the hard work and pain I would be delighted... but they wouldn't be as valuable would they?
And that's you...
LOL You've just confirmed a portion of my premise by implying that you like the pain! Pick a position. You can't prove me right while typing your dissenting opinion!
You are drawing conclusions based on your own personal preference. You are viewing it through the lens of your experience. Not everyone sees things the way you do...
Thus the reason for the word "opinion" in the thread title.
This did not exactly read as an opinion...
"If someone says they enjoy working out, one (or more) of the three following situations exists:
1} They're lying
2) They're a masochist
3) They're doing it wrong"3 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »If someone says they enjoy working out, one (or more) of the three following situations exists:
1} They're lying
2) They're a masochist
3) They're doing it wrong
I tend to agree - I enjoy the results, so I endure the hard work. It is a stretch to say that I "enjoy" pushing heavy things around at 5am when most people are sleeping or running the streets when it is 40 degrees, I can think of thousands of things that would be more enjoyable while I am actually doing it.
If working out was so enjoyable, there wouldn't be so many overweight people, right?
Not if you still can't get your diet under control...
If the general population truly enjoyed exercising and diverted even a small percentage of the time that they invested staring at screens to working out, the ranks of the overweight would be reduced significantly, even without the associated diet restriction. Plus, the associated benefits to their cardiovascular system, the additional muscle development, and improved body composition would be of great benefit to them, even if they remained overweight.3 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »If someone says they enjoy working out, one (or more) of the three following situations exists:
1} They're lying
2) They're a masochist
3) They're doing it wrong
I tend to agree - I enjoy the results, so I endure the hard work. It is a stretch to say that I "enjoy" pushing heavy things around at 5am when most people are sleeping or running the streets when it is 40 degrees, I can think of thousands of things that would be more enjoyable while I am actually doing it.
If working out was so enjoyable, there wouldn't be so many overweight people, right?
Not if you still can't get your diet under control...
If the general population truly enjoyed exercising and diverted even a small percentage of the time that they invested staring at screens to working out, the ranks of the overweight would be reduced significantly, even without the associated diet restriction. Plus, the associated benefits to their cardiovascular system, the additional muscle development, and improved body composition would be of great benefit to them, even if they remained overweight.
How does that relate to this...?
"If working out was so enjoyable, there wouldn't be so many overweight people, right?"0 -
jamesakrobinson wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »This very moment... I'm suffering DOMS from Saturday's back work, and I know I have DOMS from yesterday's squats to look forward to tomorrow before this is completely subsided... and I am going to be hitting chest and shower with my daughter this afternoon, so there's Wednesday's pain to anticipate...
You choose. I might be a masochist? I don't actually enjoy the working out part, but I do like the health and strength. If I could have the benefits without the hard work and pain I would be delighted... but they wouldn't be as valuable would they?
And that's you...
LOL You've just confirmed a portion of my premise by implying that you like the pain! Pick a position. You can't prove me right while typing your dissenting opinion!
You are drawing conclusions based on your own personal preference. You are viewing it through the lens of your experience. Not everyone sees things the way you do...
Thus the reason for the word "opinion" in the thread title.
This did not exactly read as an opinion...
"If someone says they enjoy working out, one (or more) of the three following situations exists:
1} They're lying
2) They're a masochist
3) They're doing it wrong"
It's all context man... I posted it in an opinions thread located in a debate forum (with a smiley face no less) and not in a diet or exercise forum or thread.4 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »If someone says they enjoy working out, one (or more) of the three following situations exists:
1} They're lying
2) They're a masochist
3) They're doing it wrong
I tend to agree - I enjoy the results, so I endure the hard work. It is a stretch to say that I "enjoy" pushing heavy things around at 5am when most people are sleeping or running the streets when it is 40 degrees, I can think of thousands of things that would be more enjoyable while I am actually doing it.
If working out was so enjoyable, there wouldn't be so many overweight people, right?
Not if you still can't get your diet under control...
If the general population truly enjoyed exercising and diverted even a small percentage of the time that they invested staring at screens to working out, the ranks of the overweight would be reduced significantly, even without the associated diet restriction. Plus, the associated benefits to their cardiovascular system, the additional muscle development, and improved body composition would be of great benefit to them, even if they remained overweight.
How does that relate to this...?
"If working out was so enjoyable, there wouldn't be so many overweight people, right?"
It was an additional point (hence, the "Plus"). Review the bolded part of my paragraph.1 -
jamesakrobinson wrote: »This very moment... I'm suffering DOMS from Saturday's back work, and I know I have DOMS from yesterday's squats to look forward to tomorrow before this is completely subsided... and I am going to be hitting chest and shoulders with my daughter this afternoon, so there's Wednesday's pain to anticipate...
You choose. I might be a masochist? I don't actually enjoy the working out part, but I do like the health and strength. If I could have the benefits without the hard work and pain I would be delighted... but they wouldn't be as valuable would they?
I must say, I also kinda agree on this... at least when it comes to lifting weights. I love the results and I'm always thrilled when I can increase the weights on the bar. I love how I look in the mirror and being strong. However, as my wife can attest to - the face I have in the gym, when I'm actually lifting and even between sets doesn't exactly radiate pleasure or indicate "fun". lol
I'd take a magic pill any day if it worked. There are a ton of activities that I'd consider more entertaining that I could spend my time on... but until they make that magic pill, I'll suffer the DOMs and I'll get my tired *kitten* into the gym because the results are worth the discomfort.
Other types of "exercise" I've done or do - Tennis, baseball/softball, hiking or long walks with the wife and dog - are primarily entertainment. The fact that they involve "exercise" is irrelevant to me. I'd do them even if they didn't have a health benefit. Lifting weights - if there were no benefit I'd never do it. lol3 -
jamesakrobinson wrote: »This very moment... I'm suffering DOMS from Saturday's back work, and I know I have DOMS from yesterday's squats to look forward to tomorrow before this is completely subsided... and I am going to be hitting chest and shower with my daughter this afternoon, so there's Wednesday's pain to anticipate...
You choose. I might be a masochist? I don't actually enjoy the working out part, but I do like the health and strength. If I could have the benefits without the hard work and pain I would be delighted... but they wouldn't be as valuable would they?
but if you didn't hurt, how would you know that your workout was hard enough to be effective?
Personally, I know that if I don't feel sore, I need to add additional movements or raise the weights more than expected.
By watching your PR go up.
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stanmann571 wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »This very moment... I'm suffering DOMS from Saturday's back work, and I know I have DOMS from yesterday's squats to look forward to tomorrow before this is completely subsided... and I am going to be hitting chest and shower with my daughter this afternoon, so there's Wednesday's pain to anticipate...
You choose. I might be a masochist? I don't actually enjoy the working out part, but I do like the health and strength. If I could have the benefits without the hard work and pain I would be delighted... but they wouldn't be as valuable would they?
but if you didn't hurt, how would you know that your workout was hard enough to be effective?
Personally, I know that if I don't feel sore, I need to add additional movements or raise the weights more than expected.
By watching your PR go up.
LOL if you can increase your PR without DOMS you are awesome! ... or a noob, or on drugs.7 -
jamesakrobinson wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »jamesakrobinson wrote: »This very moment... I'm suffering DOMS from Saturday's back work, and I know I have DOMS from yesterday's squats to look forward to tomorrow before this is completely subsided... and I am going to be hitting chest and shower with my daughter this afternoon, so there's Wednesday's pain to anticipate...
You choose. I might be a masochist? I don't actually enjoy the working out part, but I do like the health and strength. If I could have the benefits without the hard work and pain I would be delighted... but they wouldn't be as valuable would they?
but if you didn't hurt, how would you know that your workout was hard enough to be effective?
Personally, I know that if I don't feel sore, I need to add additional movements or raise the weights more than expected.
By watching your PR go up.
LOL if you can increase your PR without DOMS you are awesome! ... or a noob, or on drugs.
Or doing it right
I'll go with Rippetoe and other pro trainers on this
https://startingstrength.com/article/why-being-sore-doesnt-mean-youre-getting-stronger
And no, he's not alone.4 -
jamesakrobinson wrote: »If someone says they enjoy working out, one (or more) of the three following situations exists:
1} They're lying
2) They're a masochist
3) They're doing it wrong
This assumes everyone has the exact same goal or reason for working out. They don't.
"working out" does not necessarily mean weight-training to get a competition level physique. If you define working out that way then its just that, your own personal definition. That is great and feel free to talk about your own experience working out and how you feel about it but don't presume to generalize about the entire population you just sound ridiculous if you do that.
My sport of choice is backpacking. My training was designed to largely increase my endurance especially lower body and decrease my weight to allow me to go further. To do this I just did what I liked doing, I went backpacking or hiking. I enjoyed it and pushed my PR in terms of distance per day up each year. I imagine you will no-true-Scotsman me here and just say that isn't working out, but again...that is just because you have something in your own mind when you say "working out" that is not necessarily what others think of it as.
If you are looking for congratulations or adoration or something okay. I assume from your picture you weight lift to improve your physique as a body builder. It looks like you have been very successful you have a very impressive physique. Congratulations, I assume that was your goal and you are meeting your goal. You probably have a lot of useful pointers for achieving that specific goal. That is not my goal, I don't actually want to look like that...I imagine it would be a pain in my *kitten* to maintain. I'm married, I have kids, a technical career and I like to backpack....having big upper body muscles and 8% bodyfat would not help me with any of those things and would take a lot of time I don't really have. It would be a distraction from what I actually care about.11
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