Litting Heavy is One of Many Options
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A few great posts so far. Goal oriented training > one solution for all
I'll only add that the fun factor creates consistency: fun+consistency and goals > goal oriented training > any single program.
But I rarely see people saying that weight training is the only solution - it's usually a short cut to say it's the most efficient and general solution for body recomposition. But if you don't like it, how are you going to be consistent?
Do what you like that fits your goals, make it progressive. Rinse. Repeat.
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Came in here expecting a new thread. Got in here and see OP is just trying to rehash an old thread where she literally got her *kitten* handed to her.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1025714-squats-and-big-booties
Been there, done that.
I'm outta here
my only point to add to Neader's was that often when people are being accused here of pushing heavy lifting, they are suggesting it because the person has a very specific request where heavy lifting is the best option to achieve the desired results. Oddly enough my example was going to be building a butt. Want to get in shape - endless possibilities. Have a specific goal - that may define the answer you get. I've never seen anyone here say heavy lifting was the only answer.
On the running note - I've trained up to half marathon distance while heavy lifting. I am now not currently lifting heavy.0 -
Cool! I love minions! and there is nothing to defend. I simply stated that i felt this was posted to cause trouble...:yawn: :yawn: :yawn: on the personal attacks
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Cool! I love minions! and there is nothing to defend. I simply stated that i felt this was posted to cause trouble...:yawn: :yawn: :yawn: on the personal attacks
Wait.... I thought you were MY minion.
Damn, I've been doing it wrong.0 -
fat loss > weight loss
Provide stimulus to preserve LBM (however you want).
Or just be skinny fat, if that is your goal.0 -
actually most of the bodybuilding sites do allow for weight loss - they call it recomp and bodyfat %. And there are MANY programs that are full body strength training - and if you don't think that gives you a cardio workout you are dead wrong.
If you're going to naysay strength training, then at least be accurate0 -
Cool! I love minions! and there is nothing to defend. I simply stated that i felt this was posted to cause trouble...:yawn: :yawn: :yawn: on the personal attacks
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OP, if your goal is fat loss, not just weight loss strength training along with a caloric deficit and adequate protein is the best way to achieve it.
The caloric deficit can come from diet alone, or a combo of diet and cardio. But if you don't strength train or get enough protein a large % of your weight loss will come from lean muscle, most people don't want to lose muscle, they want to lose fat.
FYI to the OP: heavy lifting is not bodybuilding. The heavy lifting people most ofter push is in the 5 rep range, bodybuilding for muscle growth happens most in the 8-12 rep range for most body parts, so heavy lifting =/= body building.
^^this
OP, you seem to be missing the basics here. Most people's goals are to maintain LBM while dieting. Programs like Stronglifts are and effective way of doing that, while many other forms of exercise are not. It is easily understood, has a good progressive loading plan worked in, has a lot of people doing it do there is support for questions.
Well said, so I won't repeat it. I love Stronglifts. I still have weight to lose and I'm not all bulky or muscle bound. I'm working to maintain some of my LBM. That's it. Plus it makes me feel strong. OP has posted many threads along this line. If you don't want to lift - don't.0 -
OP, if your goal is fat loss, not just weight loss strength training along with a caloric deficit and adequate protein is the best way to achieve it.
The caloric deficit can come from diet alone, or a combo of diet and cardio. But if you don't strength train or get enough protein a large % of your weight loss will come from lean muscle, most people don't want to lose muscle, they want to lose fat.
FYI to the OP: heavy lifting is not bodybuilding. The heavy lifting people most ofter push is in the 5 rep range, bodybuilding for muscle growth happens most in the 8-12 rep range for most body parts, so heavy lifting =/= body building.
^^this
OP, you seem to be missing the basics here. Most people's goals are to maintain LBM while dieting. Programs like Stronglifts are and effective way of doing that, while many other forms of exercise are not. It is easily understood, has a good progressive loading plan worked in, has a lot of people doing it do there is support for questions.
Crap. Sara answered. That means that anything anybody else posts is pretty much redundant.
Nevertheless - my two cents are that there are strength minimum (like squatting your body weight) that will make you more effective no matter your chosen form of sport.
Many, many runners have noticed speed gains after starting a progressive resistance program because their general level of fitness improves and they develop their core powerhouse, which makes them more efficient and less likely to get injured. However, which ever strategy you use to get to it is irrelevant.
Heavy lifting is just efficient and, if you have access to the equipment, an easy way to make the gains you need in the 2.5 hours of recommended weekly exercise. I have two kids, as do many on here. This means that I don't have the leeway to go mess around for hours and hours.0 -
Provide stimulus to preserve LBM (however you want).
Exactly this.
Telling people to "lift heavy" is a positive message but that doesn't mean a particular rep rang barbells for this specific goal.
To preserve LBM all you have to do is to work with sufficient resistance progressively.
Resistance = any kind of weight (so your body, barbells & plates, kettlebells etc)
Sufficient = last few reps must be challenging to complete with good form
Progressively = once the last few reps become easy make the exercise more challenging0 -
Remember this is My Fitness PAL, not BODYBUILDING Dot COM. Let's support everyone on their fitness journey and respect the different paths they choose to get there. We may not all have the same goals, but we do share the common desire to be fit and healthy, so can we get there will a little less judgement.
Ha!! Good luck with that. In the 2+ years I've been here, when I mention that I don't lift heavy I've been told I will be skinny fat, my muscles will waste away, I will not look good naked, I will end up in a nursing home, my bone density will decrease, plus a few other things I'm forgetting at the moment.
I am told this even when I mention that I do body weight exercises, lift occasionally (but not progressively heavier and higher reps) and plyometrics, among various other exercises.
None of it has happened though. The only 2 people that see me naked think I look good. My strength and endurance have increased, while my weight, pants size and BF% have decreased.
The headless torsos don't really know it all.0 -
OP, if your goal is fat loss, not just weight loss strength training along with a caloric deficit and adequate protein is the best way to achieve it.
The caloric deficit can come from diet alone, or a combo of diet and cardio. But if you don't strength train or get enough protein a large % of your weight loss will come from lean muscle, most people don't want to lose muscle, they want to lose fat.
FYI to the OP: heavy lifting is not bodybuilding. The heavy lifting people most ofter push is in the 5 rep range, bodybuilding for muscle growth happens most in the 8-12 rep range for most body parts, so heavy lifting =/= body building.
^^this
OP, you seem to be missing the basics here. Most people's goals are to maintain LBM while dieting. Programs like Stronglifts are and effective way of doing that, while many other forms of exercise are not. It is easily understood, has a good progressive loading plan worked in, has a lot of people doing it do there is support for questions.
Well said, so I won't repeat it. I love Stronglifts. I still have weight to lose and I'm not all bulky or muscle bound. I'm working to maintain some of my LBM. That's it. Plus it makes me feel strong. OP has posted many threads along this line. If you don't want to lift - don't.
I see my point has already been made, so I will quietly go back to drinking my coffee. Good day.0 -
Is that Summer's new account I see?0
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2) Marathon Runner vs Sprinting Thats been beaten to death as well. Last time I checked I didnt see Nike offering any endorsement deals to the Gold Medal marathon winner.
No. They signed up the guy with one leg.0 -
Starting Strength, All Pros and Stronglifts 5x5 are all great programs and there are countless testimonies of people who have gained strength from those programs. But let's be clear, gaining strength is the priority of those programs, not weight loss. Weight loss is possible on a calorie deficit, but you would undermine the very goal of this program, which is to gain strength. While some posters on MFP like to promote those programs for weight loss over other programs, bodybuilding.com and other bodybuilder sites don't generally promote these routines where weight loss is the PRIMARY goal, because your body doesn't have enough fuel to keep up the gains. Plus these routines are strenuous and may cause the cardio to suffer. No problem if you don't care for cardio, a big problem if you are prepping for a 10K in a few months.
My PRIMARY goal is to lose weight. I have been lifting heavy for 10 1/2 weeks, have continued to lose weight, and make significant strength gains. My body composition is better than it has ever been, and I am 20 lbs. heavier than my all time lowest weight. My calorie intake never changed when I started lifting, and my protein goal increased. That's all.
Weight lost in the last 10 1/2 weeks of lifting~ 18.8 lbs.
Squat~
start~ 90 lbs.
now~140 lbs.
Deadlift~
start~ 90 lbs.
now~160 lbs.
Bench~
start~60 lbs.
now~90 lbs.
OHP~
start~45 lbs.
now~ 60 lbs.
Pendlay Rows~
start~ 45 lbs.
now~ 85 lbs.0 -
Remember this is My Fitness PAL, not BODYBUILDING Dot COM. Let's support everyone on their fitness journey and respect the different paths they choose to get there. We may not all have the same goals, but we do share the common desire to be fit and healthy, so can we get there will a little less judgement.
Ha!! Good luck with that. In the 2+ years I've been here, when I mention that I don't lift heavy I've been told I will be skinny fat, my muscles will waste away, I will not look good naked, I will end up in a nursing home, my bone density will decrease, plus a few other things I'm forgetting at the moment.
I am told this even when I mention that I do body weight exercises, lift occasionally (but not progressively heavier and higher reps) and plyometrics, among various other exercises.
None of it has happened though. The only 2 people that see me naked think I look good. My strength and endurance have increased, while my weight, pants size and BF% have decreased.
The headless torsos don't really know it all.
They also often opine that you will not get bigger and that you will look slimmer regardless of your proportions and where you hold your fat.0 -
Remember this is My Fitness PAL, not BODYBUILDING Dot COM. Let's support everyone on their fitness journey and respect the different paths they choose to get there. We may not all have the same goals, but we do share the common desire to be fit and healthy, so can we get there will a little less judgement.
Ha!! Good luck with that. In the 2+ years I've been here, when I mention that I don't lift heavy I've been told I will be skinny fat, my muscles will waste away, I will not look good naked, I will end up in a nursing home, my bone density will decrease, plus a few other things I'm forgetting at the moment.
I am told this even when I mention that I do body weight exercises, lift occasionally (but not progressively heavier and higher reps) and plyometrics, among various other exercises.
None of it has happened though. The only 2 people that see me naked think I look good. My strength and endurance have increased, while my weight, pants size and BF% have decreased.
The headless torsos don't really know it all.
Excuse me? I think I am the only headless torso in this thread so far and I have never told someone they 'have' to 'lift heavy' to achieve their goals.0 -
Remember this is My Fitness PAL, not BODYBUILDING Dot COM. Let's support everyone on their fitness journey and respect the different paths they choose to get there. We may not all have the same goals, but we do share the common desire to be fit and healthy, so can we get there will a little less judgement.
Ha!! Good luck with that. In the 2+ years I've been here, when I mention that I don't lift heavy I've been told I will be skinny fat, my muscles will waste away, I will not look good naked, I will end up in a nursing home, my bone density will decrease, plus a few other things I'm forgetting at the moment.
I am told this even when I mention that I do body weight exercises, lift occasionally (but not progressively heavier and higher reps) and plyometrics, among various other exercises.
None of it has happened though. The only 2 people that see me naked think I look good. My strength and endurance have increased, while my weight, pants size and BF% have decreased.
The headless torsos don't really know it all.
So put up pictures of how your body progressed.
We'll wait.0 -
Remember this is My Fitness PAL, not BODYBUILDING Dot COM. Let's support everyone on their fitness journey and respect the different paths they choose to get there. We may not all have the same goals, but we do share the common desire to be fit and healthy, so can we get there will a little less judgement.
Ha!! Good luck with that. In the 2+ years I've been here, when I mention that I don't lift heavy I've been told I will be skinny fat, my muscles will waste away, I will not look good naked, I will end up in a nursing home, my bone density will decrease, plus a few other things I'm forgetting at the moment.
I am told this even when I mention that I do body weight exercises, lift occasionally (but not progressively heavier and higher reps) and plyometrics, among various other exercises.
None of it has happened though. The only 2 people that see me naked think I look good. My strength and endurance have increased, while my weight, pants size and BF% have decreased.
The headless torsos don't really know it all.
So put up pictures of how your body progressed.
We'll wait.
No. I don't care if you believe me.0 -
Remember this is My Fitness PAL, not BODYBUILDING Dot COM. Let's support everyone on their fitness journey and respect the different paths they choose to get there. We may not all have the same goals, but we do share the common desire to be fit and healthy, so can we get there will a little less judgement.
Ha!! Good luck with that. In the 2+ years I've been here, when I mention that I don't lift heavy I've been told I will be skinny fat, my muscles will waste away, I will not look good naked, I will end up in a nursing home, my bone density will decrease, plus a few other things I'm forgetting at the moment.
I am told this even when I mention that I do body weight exercises, lift occasionally (but not progressively heavier and higher reps) and plyometrics, among various other exercises.
None of it has happened though. The only 2 people that see me naked think I look good. My strength and endurance have increased, while my weight, pants size and BF% have decreased.
The headless torsos don't really know it all.
Excuse me? I think I am the only headless torso in this thread so far and I have never told someone they 'have' to 'lift heavy' to achieve their goals.
I'm pretty sure this thread hasn't been here for 2+ years.0 -
As expected, the two who despise these threads end up in this one.0
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I just wanted to mention about about injuries and safety.
In the years leading up to when I started lifting, I would hurt myself by using improper body mechanics every few months, just doing ordinary things around the house. Well, maybe not so ordinary. But I can't possibly be the only woman to buy 40 pound buckets of cat litter, to put air conditioners in windows by herself, to rearrange furniture, etc. I have a large collection of wrist, knee and ankle braces, and spent a lot of time on the couch with a heating pad and a bunged up back.
In the two and a half years I've been here, I've had one semi-major injury. A stress fracture. From running.
I also had several weeks when I was in a great deal of pain when I first started exercising because I was doing squats with bad form, using 2 pound dumbbells. Because I hadn't done my home work and learned good form. The minute I started pushing through my heels instead of my toes, the pain went away.
In other words... ANYTHING you do can cause injury, if you don't do it properly.
I'm very careful and cautious when it comes to lifting heavy. If I don't feel confident I can manage the weight, I go lighter. Heavy is about what's heavy for you, not going in there first thing and lifting like you're Dwayne Johnson.0 -
Remember this is My Fitness PAL, not BODYBUILDING Dot COM. Let's support everyone on their fitness journey and respect the different paths they choose to get there. We may not all have the same goals, but we do share the common desire to be fit and healthy, so can we get there will a little less judgement.
Ha!! Good luck with that. In the 2+ years I've been here, when I mention that I don't lift heavy I've been told I will be skinny fat, my muscles will waste away, I will not look good naked, I will end up in a nursing home, my bone density will decrease, plus a few other things I'm forgetting at the moment.
I am told this even when I mention that I do body weight exercises, lift occasionally (but not progressively heavier and higher reps) and plyometrics, among various other exercises.
None of it has happened though. The only 2 people that see me naked think I look good. My strength and endurance have increased, while my weight, pants size and BF% have decreased.
The headless torsos don't really know it all.
Excuse me? I think I am the only headless torso in this thread so far and I have never told someone they 'have' to 'lift heavy' to achieve their goals.
I'm pretty sure this thread hasn't been here for 2+ years.
huh?0 -
Remember this is My Fitness PAL, not BODYBUILDING Dot COM. Let's support everyone on their fitness journey and respect the different paths they choose to get there. We may not all have the same goals, but we do share the common desire to be fit and healthy, so can we get there will a little less judgement.
Ha!! Good luck with that. In the 2+ years I've been here, when I mention that I don't lift heavy I've been told I will be skinny fat, my muscles will waste away, I will not look good naked, I will end up in a nursing home, my bone density will decrease, plus a few other things I'm forgetting at the moment.
I am told this even when I mention that I do body weight exercises, lift occasionally (but not progressively heavier and higher reps) and plyometrics, among various other exercises.
None of it has happened though. The only 2 people that see me naked think I look good. My strength and endurance have increased, while my weight, pants size and BF% have decreased.
The headless torsos don't really know it all.
So put up pictures of how your body progressed.
We'll wait.
No. I don't care if you believe me.
Hehe.
"I had great success without lifting! I look great, trust me."0 -
Hmmm...this post seems to be going quite well for a Friday morning...drama, excitement, insults, butthurt, minions, bananas, a dash of love and understanding, sprinkled with heavy lifting, difference of opinion, and of course some wonderful gifs...now, if we could just toss in a cleanse, some water fasting, a few keytones, and some food avoidance and toxins...we'll be all set!!!0
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Hmmm...this post seems to be going quite well for a Friday morning...drama, excitement, insults, butthurt, minions, bananas, a dash of love and understanding, sprinkled with heavy lifting, difference of opinion, and of course some wonderful gifs...now, if we could just toss in a cleanse, some water fasting, a few keytones, and some food avoidance and toxins...we'll be all set!!!
You forgot clean eating...0 -
Ignore her Sara. She is the Master Troll. Never provides any kind of proof, heavy chip on her shoulder for 'meatheads'.
Remember this is My Fitness PAL, not BODYBUILDING Dot COM. Let's support everyone on their fitness journey and respect the different paths they choose to get there. We may not all have the same goals, but we do share the common desire to be fit and healthy, so can we get there will a little less judgement.
Ha!! Good luck with that. In the 2+ years I've been here, when I mention that I don't lift heavy I've been told I will be skinny fat, my muscles will waste away, I will not look good naked, I will end up in a nursing home, my bone density will decrease, plus a few other things I'm forgetting at the moment.
I am told this even when I mention that I do body weight exercises, lift occasionally (but not progressively heavier and higher reps) and plyometrics, among various other exercises.
None of it has happened though. The only 2 people that see me naked think I look good. My strength and endurance have increased, while my weight, pants size and BF% have decreased.
The headless torsos don't really know it all.
Excuse me? I think I am the only headless torso in this thread so far and I have never told someone they 'have' to 'lift heavy' to achieve their goals.
I'm pretty sure this thread hasn't been here for 2+ years.
huh?0 -
<Insert Ron Burgundy meme>0
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Many, many runners have noticed speed gains after starting a progressive resistance program because their general level of fitness improves and they develop their core powerhouse, which makes them more efficient and less likely to get injured. However, which ever strategy you use to get to it is irrelevant.
I've noticed an increase in my running speed since I started strength training. I've also noticed that my knees hurt much less from the running now.0
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