Carbs
MohamedAboelghar
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What's everyone's take on no carb diets? I need to drop weight QUICKLY and also will it hurt my performance in the weight room. I was thinking if I double up on protein I should be good. Am I wrong? Any suggestions? Thanks
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A calorie deficit is all you need to lose weight. If low (not no) carb is how you achieve the deficit, then so be it.2
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1) You don't drop fat any quicker on a low carb diet than you do on any other diet with equivalent calories. You initially lose a lot of water weight, some of which is the glycogen in your muscles - which leads to #2.....
2) Yes, it will probably hurt your performance in the weight room.
3) If you double up on protein, you're defeating the ostensible purpose of a ketogenic diet, because protein is just as insulogenic as carbs are.12 -
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painful and unnecessary3
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I like carbs...3
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No carb, no.
Low carb (which is a wide range), if you are interested, check it out. But if your interest is just that you think it's needed for weight loss, no, it's not.
Increasing (not doubling) protein can be a good idea if cutting carbs.0 -
TavistockToad wrote: »I like carbs...
+1. I also like not being glycogen depleted when trying to lift weights. Keto seems to work best for either sedentary people or endurance athletes, where glycogen isn't much of an issue for either of them.3 -
My first question is: How much do you weigh now?
My second question is: What's your idea of 'lose weight quickly'?
My third question is: Are you willing to make permanent changes to your life which lead to the achievement of and then maintenance of your goal?
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1) You don't drop fat any quicker on a low carb diet than you do on any other diet with equivalent calories. You initially lose a lot of water weight, some of which is the glycogen in your muscles - which leads to #2.....
2) Yes, it will probably hurt your performance in the weight room.
3) If you double up on protein, you're defeating the ostensible purpose of a ketogenic diet, because protein is just as insulogenic as carbs are.
To add to this... I wouldn't double up on protein, unless your base levels are really low. Protein is a very poor source of energy, which is why you hear so many body builders complaining about energy levels.
If you only need to drop some water weight, ketogenic is going to be a good option short term. But if you are trying to look at fat loss, don't bother with that stuff, and start looking into Lyle McDonald's work... something we can't really discuss on this forum.
Who's even hating. You don't lose fat at a fast rate on low carb or ketogenic. If you any diet is going to increase fat loss, in free living conditions or in other studies, it's high protein; fats and carbs have almost no impact on it.8 -
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What's everyone's take on no carb diets? - Awful, pointless, inferior nutrition, inferior exercise performance, dreadfully restrictive.
I need to drop weight QUICKLY - Why? Define need? How much much weight? How quickly?
and also will it hurt my performance in the weight room. - Yes. Counter-productive to an effective workout and recovery.
I was thinking if I double up on protein I should be good. Am I wrong? - Yes
Any suggestions? - Think again, learn about nutrition. Reassess this "need" to lose weight quickly.
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MohamedAboelghar wrote: »What's everyone's take on no carb diets?
Totally unnecessary and won't increase fat loss.
I need to drop weight QUICKLY
You won't lose fat any faster.
and also will it hurt my performance in the weight room.
Short answer, yes
I was thinking if I double up on protein I should be good.
I don't know how much you are getting now but plenty of protein should always be a priority on a cut.
Am I wrong? Any suggestions? Thanks
Just focus on balanced, nutritious, and an appropriate calorie deficit. Too much of a deficit will result in losing more muscle mass.
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I don't understand the avoidance of carbs at all. A balanced and nutritious blend of the food groups within your calorie goal is all you need to lose weight. It doesn't make it easier...but it actually IS quite simple.
You're already exercising and cutting energy sources will only harm the effectiveness of your workouts. Everyone else pretty much said it all.5 -
Its not about "hating". It's about the stupidity of needlessly cutting something that won't improve your weight goals nor health and makes effective, long term fitness and healthy eating more difficult.
Linking to someone called "The Diet Doctor" doesn't help your case, either.8 -
I eat reduced carb. It has improved my workouts because refined carbs leave me feeling bloated and upset my digestion. I try to stick with getting my carbs through complex carbohydrates.
It hasn't altered my weight loss rate eating this way but since I feel better it has helped me stick to my goals and stay motivated.1 -
Who's even hating. You don't lose fat at a fast rate on low carb or ketogenic. If you any diet is going to increase fat loss, in free living conditions or in other studies, it's high protein; fats and carbs have almost no impact on it.
To wit: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22935440/0 -
1) You don't drop fat any quicker on a low carb diet than you do on any other diet with equivalent calories. You initially lose a lot of water weight, some of which is the glycogen in your muscles - which leads to #2.....
2) Yes, it will probably hurt your performance in the weight room.
3) If you double up on protein, you're defeating the ostensible purpose of a ketogenic diet, because protein is just as insulogenic as carbs are.
To add to this... I wouldn't double up on protein, unless your base levels are really low. Protein is a very poor source of energy, which is why you hear so many body builders complaining about energy levels.
If you only need to drop some water weight, ketogenic is going to be a good option short term. But if you are trying to look at fat loss, don't bother with that stuff, and start looking into Lyle McDonald's work... something we can't really discuss on this forum.
Who's even hating. You don't lose fat at a fast rate on low carb or ketogenic. If you any diet is going to increase fat loss, in free living conditions or in other studies, it's high protein; fats and carbs have almost no impact on it.
You are mistaken. Maybe YOU don't lose it at a fast rate. I've averaged over 10 pounds a month for 6 months. That's pretty fast IMHO. How would you really know anyway? Have your tried it? Oh, you read about it. Or you tried a different method successfully. I see. I would bet most of the people who are anti-lchf never did it. They tried it for a week. Or read it was bad someplace. You are so opinionated about this. If you are going to be an expert at least be open to other solutions and get your head out of the sand.
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No carb means cutting out all fruits and vegetables, which makes it much harder to get the micronutrients you need. There are low carb fruits and veggies, but not carb-free.6
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WendyLeigh1119 wrote: »
Its not about "hating". It's about the stupidity of needlessly cutting something that won't improve your weight goals nor health and makes effective, long term fitness and healthy eating more difficult.
Linking to someone called "The Diet Doctor" doesn't help your case, either.
Try reading the site and check the guy out before knocking it.1 -
1) You don't drop fat any quicker on a low carb diet than you do on any other diet with equivalent calories. You initially lose a lot of water weight, some of which is the glycogen in your muscles - which leads to #2.....
2) Yes, it will probably hurt your performance in the weight room.
3) If you double up on protein, you're defeating the ostensible purpose of a ketogenic diet, because protein is just as insulogenic as carbs are.
To add to this... I wouldn't double up on protein, unless your base levels are really low. Protein is a very poor source of energy, which is why you hear so many body builders complaining about energy levels.
If you only need to drop some water weight, ketogenic is going to be a good option short term. But if you are trying to look at fat loss, don't bother with that stuff, and start looking into Lyle McDonald's work... something we can't really discuss on this forum.
Who's even hating. You don't lose fat at a fast rate on low carb or ketogenic. If you any diet is going to increase fat loss, in free living conditions or in other studies, it's high protein; fats and carbs have almost no impact on it.
You are mistaken. Maybe YOU don't lose it at a fast rate. I've averaged over 10 pounds a month for 6 months. That's pretty fast IMHO. How would you really know anyway? Have your tried it? Oh, you read about it. Or you tried a different method successfully. I see. I would bet most of the people who are anti-lchf never did it. They tried it for a week. Or read it was bad someplace. You are so opinionated about this. If you are going to be an expert at least be open to other solutions and get your head out of the sand.
So you aren't eating no carb then. Think you didn't grasp that OP is suggesting no carb not low carb.
Your calorie deficit defines your rate of loss.6 -
I've done really restrictive keto to dump water before (knowing full well what I was doing was very temporary and put me at 0 fat loss advantage) and my training was mediocre at best but I was flat due to depleted glycogen, wouldn't do it again tbh. I prefer nice pumps and full muscles3
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No carbs or low carbs?
No carb is typically an all animal product diet. It's fairly rare but there are a handful of people doing it successfully on MFP.
Low carb is under 100 to 150g per day of carbs. If you have metabolic issues, known or unknown, or carb cravings that make weight loss difficult, then going low carb may help your weight loss efforts. It shouldn't hurt them unless you are the type who overeats LCHF foods like meat and cheeses.
Switching to lower carb may affect your energy a small amount in the first few weeks while your body is becoming fat adapted - starting to burn fat as its primary and preferred fuel source. Its a mild thing though.
Some find their gains are less in the weight room due to lower insulin but increasing protein will combat that. If you are going for ketosis, a high protein diet may prevent you from getting deeply into ketosis, but that isn't an issue for many unless you want ketosis for theraputic reasons.
Look into ketogains website. Many lifters having great success there. Jason Wittrock is another. More and more people are choosing to try LCHF. I don't know any who are zero carb, but there are probably some out there.
TRy the Low Carber Daily MFP group too. Good luck.0 -
1) You don't drop fat any quicker on a low carb diet than you do on any other diet with equivalent calories. You initially lose a lot of water weight, some of which is the glycogen in your muscles - which leads to #2.....
2) Yes, it will probably hurt your performance in the weight room.
3) If you double up on protein, you're defeating the ostensible purpose of a ketogenic diet, because protein is just as insulogenic as carbs are.
To add to this... I wouldn't double up on protein, unless your base levels are really low. Protein is a very poor source of energy, which is why you hear so many body builders complaining about energy levels.
If you only need to drop some water weight, ketogenic is going to be a good option short term. But if you are trying to look at fat loss, don't bother with that stuff, and start looking into Lyle McDonald's work... something we can't really discuss on this forum.
Who's even hating. You don't lose fat at a fast rate on low carb or ketogenic. If you any diet is going to increase fat loss, in free living conditions or in other studies, it's high protein; fats and carbs have almost no impact on it.
You are mistaken. Maybe YOU don't lose it at a fast rate. I've averaged over 10 pounds a month for 6 months. That's pretty fast IMHO. How would you really know anyway? Have your tried it? Oh, you read about it. Or you tried a different method successfully. I see. I would bet most of the people who are anti-lchf never did it. They tried it for a week. Or read it was bad someplace. You are so opinionated about this. If you are going to be an expert at least be open to other solutions and get your head out of the sand.
if you are losing 10lbs a month then either you have a LOT of weight to lose, or you have a really big deficit.oh and when starting low carb diets the first big loss is usually water weight.I have tried low carb(also tried keto) so Im not knocking it. Its not for me.4 -
WendyLeigh1119 wrote: »
Its not about "hating". It's about the stupidity of needlessly cutting something that won't improve your weight goals nor health and makes effective, long term fitness and healthy eating more difficult.
Linking to someone called "The Diet Doctor" doesn't help your case, either.
Try reading the site and check the guy out before knocking it.
I did read the site. And that is why I mentioned your link. He mentions foods that are high in calories and sugar that happen to be carbs. Eating them and gaining weight isn't because of the carbs it's because they're high calorie, high sugar, saturated fatty foods. Not because they're "carbs".
I mean, he actually has photos of donuts and soda as if the problem with those foods is the number of carbs. So yes. The site is laughable and clearly preying on confused dieters.9 -
1) You don't drop fat any quicker on a low carb diet than you do on any other diet with equivalent calories. You initially lose a lot of water weight, some of which is the glycogen in your muscles - which leads to #2.....
2) Yes, it will probably hurt your performance in the weight room.
3) If you double up on protein, you're defeating the ostensible purpose of a ketogenic diet, because protein is just as insulogenic as carbs are.
To add to this... I wouldn't double up on protein, unless your base levels are really low. Protein is a very poor source of energy, which is why you hear so many body builders complaining about energy levels.
If you only need to drop some water weight, ketogenic is going to be a good option short term. But if you are trying to look at fat loss, don't bother with that stuff, and start looking into Lyle McDonald's work... something we can't really discuss on this forum.
Who's even hating. You don't lose fat at a fast rate on low carb or ketogenic. If you any diet is going to increase fat loss, in free living conditions or in other studies, it's high protein; fats and carbs have almost no impact on it.
You are mistaken. Maybe YOU don't lose it at a fast rate. I've averaged over 10 pounds a month for 6 months. That's pretty fast IMHO. How would you really know anyway? Have your tried it? Oh, you read about it. Or you tried a different method successfully. I see. I would bet most of the people who are anti-lchf never did it. They tried it for a week. Or read it was bad someplace. You are so opinionated about this. If you are going to be an expert at least be open to other solutions and get your head out of the sand.
So you aren't eating no carb then. Think you didn't grasp that OP is suggesting no carb not low carb.
Your calorie deficit defines your rate of loss.
Yes. Missed the no carb. Sorry, I think that is a horrible idea. I'm not into the meat and magnesium diet. Eat meat until you don't go, then overdose on magnesium to go. I eat plenty of healthy vegetables.
On your second comment. To some extent. But restricting calories and eating low fat is how most people try to create a deficit. Once people stop and go back to the old habits they gain, plus some. I've done that about 10 times and I'll never do it again.
To all the people who love to jump on a say there is no benefit or advantage to LCHF. It's the same group of people that love saying it. Well, you are very wrong. How do you think that makes people feel who have succeeded and failed over and over gain with low-fat, low-calorie diets and they are having great success on LCHF. And they feel like they can eat like that for the rest of their lives and never gain it back. Maybe you should stop being so anti-lchf. I mean, what do you really care anyway. If it works for some people and the love it, encourage them to do what they want. If you want to cut your calories to lose weight. Great! Go for it. Enjoy your eqq whites on dry toast!
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1) You don't drop fat any quicker on a low carb diet than you do on any other diet with equivalent calories. You initially lose a lot of water weight, some of which is the glycogen in your muscles - which leads to #2.....
2) Yes, it will probably hurt your performance in the weight room.
3) If you double up on protein, you're defeating the ostensible purpose of a ketogenic diet, because protein is just as insulogenic as carbs are.
To add to this... I wouldn't double up on protein, unless your base levels are really low. Protein is a very poor source of energy, which is why you hear so many body builders complaining about energy levels.
If you only need to drop some water weight, ketogenic is going to be a good option short term. But if you are trying to look at fat loss, don't bother with that stuff, and start looking into Lyle McDonald's work... something we can't really discuss on this forum.
Who's even hating. You don't lose fat at a fast rate on low carb or ketogenic. If you any diet is going to increase fat loss, in free living conditions or in other studies, it's high protein; fats and carbs have almost no impact on it.
You are mistaken. Maybe YOU don't lose it at a fast rate. I've averaged over 10 pounds a month for 6 months. That's pretty fast IMHO. How would you really know anyway? Have your tried it? Oh, you read about it. Or you tried a different method successfully. I see. I would bet most of the people who are anti-lchf never did it. They tried it for a week. Or read it was bad someplace. You are so opinionated about this. If you are going to be an expert at least be open to other solutions and get your head out of the sand.
I would recommend that you actually try get some background on me before you make wild assumptions. And if you think I am anti low carb, it's laughable. I have tried a variety of diets to see what allows the greatest amount of compliance/adherence and what had the greatest impact on my athletic performance (both lifting and cardiovascular exercises) over the 8 years I have been on this board; I haven't done long term low carb because I couldn't even stand low carb days when I was a carb cycling. I have tried calorie and carb cycling, IIFYM/Flexible dieting, Paleo, IF, etc... When I was paleo, i was fairly consistent around 150g to 200g of carbs and my energy and performance suffered. Also, since I am not satiated by fats, I was constantly eating too many calories. In fact, while I was moderate to low carb Paleo for 9 months, I didn't lose any weight.
Unlike you, I do not advocate for a specific diet because diets are very personal and adherence/compliance is individualistic. If a person is satiated by fats, I would and have suggested dropping carbs in favor of fats as it would help.... conversely, if a person is not satiated by fats, I would drop fats in favor of carbs. Recommending a diet that is going to be beneficial for one's personal journey is not a matter of just linking to the same website over and over. It's about figuring out a person's goals, their behaviors, what has and has not worked in the past, and if there are any medical requirements (very key as this requires additional variables to be considered). So not only have to directly experienced a variety of dietary choices, I have also worked one on one with a wide range of individuals through the years.
When it comes to the benefits of fats, carbs or protein, I try to get an understanding of the science and under what circumstances they conduct the research. Overall, there are benefits to both. Thinking otherwise, would demonstrate a substantial bias and disregard for decades of research around plant based foods.14 -
To all the people who love to jump on a say there is no benefit or advantage to LCHF. It's the same group of people that love saying it. Well, you are very wrong. How do you think that makes people feel who have succeeded and failed over and over gain with low-fat, low-calorie diets and they are having great success on LCHF. And they feel like they can eat like that for the rest of their lives and never gain it back. Maybe you should stop being so anti-lchf. I mean, what do you really care anyway. If it works for some people and the love it, encourage them to do what they want. If you want to cut your calories to lose weight. Great! Go for it. Enjoy your eqq whites on dry toast!
Its not about if they have success eating a certain way. If they do thats great. Its your inability to understand WHY they are losing weight doing it. They are simply eating less calories than they burn.
I also dont think anyone is Anti-LCHF, they are anti woo and *kitten*. educate yourself about how your body works and you might understand better and be able to sniff out the garbage.4 -
1) You don't drop fat any quicker on a low carb diet than you do on any other diet with equivalent calories. You initially lose a lot of water weight, some of which is the glycogen in your muscles - which leads to #2.....
2) Yes, it will probably hurt your performance in the weight room.
3) If you double up on protein, you're defeating the ostensible purpose of a ketogenic diet, because protein is just as insulogenic as carbs are.
To add to this... I wouldn't double up on protein, unless your base levels are really low. Protein is a very poor source of energy, which is why you hear so many body builders complaining about energy levels.
If you only need to drop some water weight, ketogenic is going to be a good option short term. But if you are trying to look at fat loss, don't bother with that stuff, and start looking into Lyle McDonald's work... something we can't really discuss on this forum.
Who's even hating. You don't lose fat at a fast rate on low carb or ketogenic. If you any diet is going to increase fat loss, in free living conditions or in other studies, it's high protein; fats and carbs have almost no impact on it.
You are mistaken. Maybe YOU don't lose it at a fast rate. I've averaged over 10 pounds a month for 6 months. That's pretty fast IMHO. How would you really know anyway? Have your tried it? Oh, you read about it. Or you tried a different method successfully. I see. I would bet most of the people who are anti-lchf never did it. They tried it for a week. Or read it was bad someplace. You are so opinionated about this. If you are going to be an expert at least be open to other solutions and get your head out of the sand.
So you aren't eating no carb then. Think you didn't grasp that OP is suggesting no carb not low carb.
Your calorie deficit defines your rate of loss.
Yes. Missed the no carb. Sorry, I think that is a horrible idea. I'm not into the meat and magnesium diet. Eat meat until you don't go, then overdose on magnesium to go. I eat plenty of healthy vegetables.
On your second comment. To some extent. But restricting calories and eating low fat is how most people try to create a deficit. Once people stop and go back to the old habits they gain, plus some. I've done that about 10 times and I'll never do it again.
To all the people who love to jump on a say there is no benefit or advantage to LCHF. It's the same group of people that love saying it. Well, you are very wrong. How do you think that makes people feel who have succeeded and failed over and over gain with low-fat, low-calorie diets and they are having great success on LCHF. And they feel like they can eat like that for the rest of their lives and never gain it back. Maybe you should stop being so anti-lchf. I mean, what do you really care anyway. If it works for some people and the love it, encourage them to do what they want. If you want to cut your calories to lose weight. Great! Go for it. Enjoy your eqq whites on dry toast!
Can you explain how your body is losing weight without you cutting calories to lose it? I'm losing weight perfectly fine without doing lchf, and would prefer whole eggs and butter on the toast thanks. If I even ate eggs on toast.6
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