Understanding Insulin is key to weight control
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Please show results of each of the plans you follow. At 39 I'll compare my physique to anyone and my blood work too. Main stream has pushed this western type diet to all of you becouse it is a cash cow for them. In reality obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer can all be mitigated through fasting. If you haven't researched or tried it you really shouldn't comment.
hmm well I guess my heart disease I was born with can be cured just by fasting.? yeah dont think so. oh and high blood pressure,obesity and diabetes can be reversed just by losing weight for some.11 -
The key to weight control is adherence. Period. If IF and lower carb are sustainable to you then that's what you need to do. I've done both during competition prep and it did not work for me because it was not sustainable.
Insulin is an important factor to people who have medical conditions.
Exactly this.
What makes things more sustainable differs person to person. That is going to outweigh the effects of most other things, especially things like carb percentage or meal timing/fasting.
It also may change depending on goal or just over time or by season or who knows. Thus, one size fits all advice (especially that based on the latest woo or hot new diet guru) is invariably bad advice for most people.8 -
I came across an article the other day talking about long term sustained weight loss and discovered the National Weight Control Registry. There are a bunch of links that dive into the various factors behind actually sustaining weight loss and they range from psychological, behavioral, exercise, and the type of diet. As for diet there was no one method that had a higher percentage of success. I hope they continue to add to and expand their research.
http://www.nwcr.ws/Research/default.htm
I've been a participant of the NWCR for 3 years now and agree that the research they're doing is so important!4 -
:laugh:Please show results of each of the plans you follow. At 39 I'll compare my physique to anyone and my blood work too. Main stream has pushed this western type diet to all of you becouse it is a cash cow for them. In reality obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer can all be mitigated through fasting. If you haven't researched or tried it you really shouldn't comment.
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Please show results of each of the plans you follow. At 39 I'll compare my physique to anyone and my blood work too. Main stream has pushed this western type diet to all of you becouse it is a cash cow for them. In reality obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer can all be mitigated through fasting. If you haven't researched or tried it you really shouldn't comment.
Well, l must say at 39 years old, ur physique is pretty dang good. I cant argue with that. I will say that l know what works for me and that fasting doesnt. Im not knocking it, lve tried and it just doesnt cut it for me. Now l do have a few friends that are totally with u, and thats cool. I guess lm just trying to say we all gotta do the thing that works for us. Cheers and keep up the good work.5 -
Please show results of each of the plans you follow. At 39 I'll compare my physique to anyone and my blood work too. Main stream has pushed this western type diet to all of you becouse it is a cash cow for them. In reality obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer can all be mitigated through fasting. If you haven't researched or tried it you really shouldn't comment.
Cancer can be mitigated through fasting? You're dangerous and need to stop.22 -
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There are some mice studies which show benefits of fasting in offsetting the negative effects of radio therapy (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18378900) and delaying the pregression of tumours (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18184721) - there may be more studies I'm not aware of - but this is a long way off making any interpretation as to a similar effect on humans and even then, is not a cure by any stretch of the imagination.
I've also seen a human case review (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2815756/) but, to be honest I can't be bothered with it but if that's your bag - give it a read.0 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »
Don't be so sure. The main reduction in my calories came from fat, the rest of my food hasn't changed (including my carbs).
Low fat diets were debunked long ago. You're setting yourself up for some serious hormone disruption.
My main reduction in calories came from fat also. I was previously eating a large amount of very fatty foods. That doesn't mean that the end result is a low-fat diet. You assume too much.20 -
TavistockToad wrote: »MommyMeggo wrote: »
wow, look at the weight loss, did they use OMAD to lose?!
The insulin must be pretty low for that one because this level of body fat would be hard to achieve with a normal diet.6 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »
Don't be so sure. The main reduction in my calories came from fat, the rest of my food hasn't changed (including my carbs).
Low fat diets were debunked long ago. You're setting yourself up for some serious hormone disruption.
What if fats were at 100g and are now at 60g? No problems there I would suspect.8 -
Please show results of each of the plans you follow. At 39 I'll compare my physique to anyone and my blood work too. Main stream has pushed this western type diet to all of you becouse it is a cash cow for them. In reality obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer can all be mitigated through fasting. If you haven't researched or tried it you really shouldn't comment.
Well, l must say at 39 years old, ur physique is pretty dang good. I cant argue with that. I will say that l know what works for me and that fasting doesnt. Im not knocking it, lve tried and it just doesnt cut it for me. Now l do have a few friends that are totally with u, and thats cool. I guess lm just trying to say we all gotta do the thing that works for us. Cheers and keep up the good work.
You're assuming that the avatar picture is actually the pp.....lots of people use fake pics here.
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »
Don't be so sure. The main reduction in my calories came from fat, the rest of my food hasn't changed (including my carbs).
Low fat diets were debunked long ago. You're setting yourself up for some serious hormone disruption.
What if fats were at 100g and are now at 60g? No problems there I would suspect.
Yes. That's exactly what happened. My fat intake went well over 100 grams, nearly 200 (too much olive oil and nuts) and now rests at an acceptable 50-80. It was the most logical macro to reduce since small reductions result in a large caloric difference without affecting the types of foods I eat too much.
ETA just to show an example. Here is my intake so far (I'm about halfway through my calories):
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Please show results of each of the plans you follow. At 39 I'll compare my physique to anyone and my blood work too. Main stream has pushed this western type diet to all of you becouse it is a cash cow for them. In reality obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer can all be mitigated through fasting. If you haven't researched or tried it you really shouldn't comment.
As a survivor, I would like to get you in the same room with my oncologist.
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BusyRaeNOTBusty wrote: »
That's the thing, insulin is amazing stuff.2 -
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suzannesimmons3 wrote: »Please show results of each of the plans you follow. At 39 I'll compare my physique to anyone and my blood work too. Main stream has pushed this western type diet to all of you becouse it is a cash cow for them. In reality obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer can all be mitigated through fasting. If you haven't researched or tried it you really shouldn't comment.
As a survivor, I would like to get you in the same room with my oncologist.
If it did cure cancer big pharma would be keeping it top secret because you know "big pharma" (sarcasm)
Yep could you imagine the millions/billions of dollars they'd lose from drugs and prescriptions if there was a simple cure for cancer, not to mention the population explosion all around the world. Definitely in their best interest not to find a cure
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Here is a summary of the research on fasting and cancers. Also some stuff about cancer and the ketogenic diet.
https://www.canceractive.com/cancer-active-page-link.aspx?n=3408
It's a shame that this article only contains one linked study and that is for a reduced calorie study in monkeys, rather than a fasting protocol in humans. It doesn't fill me with confidence that the authors have backed up each or any claims with a research article.
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Here is a summary of the research on fasting and cancers. Also some stuff about cancer and the ketogenic diet.
https://www.canceractive.com/cancer-active-page-link.aspx?n=3408
Not only is that websites lay out an eyesore and difficult to read...
"Fasting and calorie restriction can slow and even stop cancer progression and tumour growth, kill cancer cells and significantly improve chemo and radiotherapy effectiveness. Fasting has also been shown to boost the immune system, de-fat the liver and pancreas and reduce chemotherapy side-effects. A three or five day fast is something to seriously consider when having chemotherapy."
My mother's nutrition team during chemo would strongly disagree.
"One final benefit is that fasting and juice fasting can help detoxify and de-fat the liver, regenerating its power. By de-fatting the liver, two British Professors (Taylor and Lean) have shown you can clean up the pancreas too."
De-fat the liver? Regenerating its power? WTF?
Id bloody someone if they suggested a juice cleanse or a 5 day fast to assist in killing the tumor in her liver.
*kitten* like this makes me angry.
EDIT* and you can pay/donate to be a member. I need to look away my eyes are rolling so hard I may injure myself. (maybe a juice cleanse or 3 day fast will help if I do)17 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »
Don't be so sure. The main reduction in my calories came from fat, the rest of my food hasn't changed (including my carbs).
Low fat diets were debunked long ago. You're setting yourself up for some serious hormone disruption.
some people have to be on a low fat diet though.no hormone issues except for the perimenopuase which was occurring before I had to drop the fat.1 -
Not sure exactly what the message of the video was. Was it just eat when you're hungry in order to maintain your weight?
If so, what does that have to do w/"understanding insulin" and the intricacies of eating low vs hi GI carbs in order to control your insulin levels so that less insulin is released enabling the body to make use of BF for energy thus reducing weight and BF levels? Not much apparently.2 -
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MommyMeggo wrote: »Here is a summary of the research on fasting and cancers. Also some stuff about cancer and the ketogenic diet.
https://www.canceractive.com/cancer-active-page-link.aspx?n=3408
Not only is that websites lay out an eyesore and difficult to read...
"Fasting and calorie restriction can slow and even stop cancer progression and tumour growth, kill cancer cells and significantly improve chemo and radiotherapy effectiveness. Fasting has also been shown to boost the immune system, de-fat the liver and pancreas and reduce chemotherapy side-effects. A three or five day fast is something to seriously consider when having chemotherapy."
My mother's nutrition team during chemo would strongly disagree.
"One final benefit is that fasting and juice fasting can help detoxify and de-fat the liver, regenerating its power. By de-fatting the liver, two British Professors (Taylor and Lean) have shown you can clean up the pancreas too."
De-fat the liver? Regenerating its power? WTF?
Id bloody someone if they suggested a juice cleanse or a 5 day fast to assist in killing the tumor in her liver.
*kitten* like this makes me angry.
EDIT* and you can pay/donate to be a member. I need to look away my eyes are rolling so hard I may injure myself. (maybe a juice cleanse or 3 day fast will help if I do)
This made me laugh so hard I cried.
I'm a survivor and fasting did not do anything positive for my body.3 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »
Don't be so sure. The main reduction in my calories came from fat, the rest of my food hasn't changed (including my carbs).
Low fat diets were debunked long ago. You're setting yourself up for some serious hormone disruption.
My primary reduction in calories was from fat as well...'cuz I ate tons of cheese and washed it down with pints of whole milk on a daily basis and I ate a lot of other fatty foods...cooked with tons of butter, oil, cream, etc. Reducing my fat intake doesn't mean I went low fat...I still get between 50-60 grams per day.
Reducing calories from fat doesn't necessarily mean one is on a low fat diet.5 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »
Don't be so sure. The main reduction in my calories came from fat, the rest of my food hasn't changed (including my carbs).
Low fat diets were debunked long ago. You're setting yourself up for some serious hormone disruption.
My primary reduction in calories was from fat as well...'cuz I ate tons of cheese and washed it down with pints of whole milk on a daily basis and I ate a lot of other fatty foods...cooked with tons of butter, oil, cream, etc. Reducing my fat intake doesn't mean I went low fat...I still get between 50-60 grams per day.
Reducing calories from fat doesn't necessarily mean one is on a low fat diet.
Yep, when I want to cut a bit of weight, I typically cut back on the fat and leave everything else the same. Because I'm already eating a higher fat diet, it's one of the easier places to find stuff to cut and still meet my nutritional needs overall. The end result for me isn't a low fat diet, but just a lower calorie diet with less fat.4 -
suzannesimmons3 wrote: »MommyMeggo wrote: »Here is a summary of the research on fasting and cancers. Also some stuff about cancer and the ketogenic diet.
https://www.canceractive.com/cancer-active-page-link.aspx?n=3408
Not only is that websites lay out an eyesore and difficult to read...
"Fasting and calorie restriction can slow and even stop cancer progression and tumour growth, kill cancer cells and significantly improve chemo and radiotherapy effectiveness. Fasting has also been shown to boost the immune system, de-fat the liver and pancreas and reduce chemotherapy side-effects. A three or five day fast is something to seriously consider when having chemotherapy."
My mother's nutrition team during chemo would strongly disagree.
"One final benefit is that fasting and juice fasting can help detoxify and de-fat the liver, regenerating its power. By de-fatting the liver, two British Professors (Taylor and Lean) have shown you can clean up the pancreas too."
De-fat the liver? Regenerating its power? WTF?
Id bloody someone if they suggested a juice cleanse or a 5 day fast to assist in killing the tumor in her liver.
*kitten* like this makes me angry.
EDIT* and you can pay/donate to be a member. I need to look away my eyes are rolling so hard I may injure myself. (maybe a juice cleanse or 3 day fast will help if I do)
And if fasting killed cancer then people in the final stages who can no longer eat or drink would be cured.....halle fookin lujah edit.to add serious sarcasm from someone who sat and watched a parent die from cancer.
<hugs>
I did too- for 11 agonizing days on hospice, not even 3 months ago. Saddest time of my life.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »
Don't be so sure. The main reduction in my calories came from fat, the rest of my food hasn't changed (including my carbs).
Low fat diets were debunked long ago. You're setting yourself up for some serious hormone disruption.
My primary reduction in calories was from fat as well...'cuz I ate tons of cheese and washed it down with pints of whole milk on a daily basis and I ate a lot of other fatty foods...cooked with tons of butter, oil, cream, etc. Reducing my fat intake doesn't mean I went low fat...I still get between 50-60 grams per day.
Reducing calories from fat doesn't necessarily mean one is on a low fat diet.
Yep, when I want to cut a bit of weight, I typically cut back on the fat and leave everything else the same. Because I'm already eating a higher fat diet, it's one of the easier places to find stuff to cut and still meet my nutritional needs overall. The end result for me isn't a low fat diet, but just a lower calorie diet with less fat.
Not to mention that most nutrients are in foods that are predominantly carbs, while foods that are predominantly fat don't tend to have a good nutrient density per calorie consumed, so it's the best choice (at least for me) both variety-wise and nutrition-wise. I had air popped popcorn today, for example. I used to have it oil popped, which is more than twice the calories. I still get to enjoy popcorn, with all of its nutrients and the only difference is that it does not contain as many calories. Reducing the amount of oil I use for popcorn gradually helped me transition to air popped without noticing too much of a difference in taste. The only oil I use is a light misting for salt to stick.4 -
For those interested, this article does a nice summation of the studies that lead to the theory of fasting effects on cancer cell growth. It has a nice layout and explains the progression of study results and theories that have lead to these claims. It does point out that active studies on humans are under way, but that to date... all the research being cited (in all the previously posted articles) was ALL conducted on animals.
https://www.osher.ucsf.edu/patient-care/self-care-resources/cancer-and-nutrition/frequently-asked-questions/cancer-and-fasting-calorie-restriction/0
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