No Calorie Sodas and Weight

lemurcat12

GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »

rmgnow wrote: »

You can testify that you've drank a million diet cokes, every day and you became a fitness model, it doesn't mean much to the lay-person.
Fact is, if you are obese and you drink diet soda, you usually don't lose weight.
Diet soda are not directly involved in gaining weight.
But they are involved non the less.

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-artificial-sweeteners-affect-weight-loss-and-gain-2017-7

I'm not saying anyone should stop eating what they love, but there are no real benefits from diet soda except a temporary good mouth feel.

That's exactly the point. They're neutral.

You could say the same for water.

Right.

So then it comes down to:

would you rather drink non diet soda and have to sacrifice the calories from something else?

would you rather not ever drink any soda at all?

or would you rather keep some soda in your diet but not waste calories on it.

I don't care that much about soda, but if you enjoy it (and I occasionally do), being able to enjoy diet versions makes it a lot easier for those of us who count calories (who are not who the studies address) to have some soda.

ellie7187

Rob_in_MI wrote: »

You're missing sarcasm Elle....

Picture ginormous person with a 2k value meal, and the diet Coke

No, I got it. Unfortunately my winking emoji did not post. I guess these forums don't like emojis!

Chef_Barbell

rmgnow wrote: »

You can testify that you've drank a million diet cokes, every day and you became a fitness model, it doesn't mean much to the lay-person.
Fact is, if you are obese and you drink diet soda, you usually don't lose weight.
Diet soda are not directly involved in gaining weight.
But they are involved non the less.

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-artificial-sweeteners-affect-weight-loss-and-gain-2017-7

I'm not saying anyone should stop eating what they love, but there are no real benefits from diet soda except a temporary good mouth feel.

No.

Chef_Barbell

Rob_in_MI wrote: »

Blah to all the research, for or against it.

Now if you're ordering diet soda to justify the extra large fries in the drive thru? Yep, it'll make you fat.

No.

kimny72

rmgnow wrote: »

You can testify that you've drank a million diet cokes, every day and you became a fitness model, it doesn't mean much to the lay-person.
Fact is, if you are obese and you drink diet soda, you usually don't lose weight.
Diet soda are not directly involved in gaining weight.
But they are involved non the less.

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-artificial-sweeteners-affect-weight-loss-and-gain-2017-7

I'm not saying anyone should stop eating what they love, but there are no real benefits from diet soda except a temporary good mouth feel.

Did you actually read your linked article beyond the headline? Did you notice they say this is an observed conclusion and they do not provide any possible biological or even scientific reason as to why this is the case?

Did you actually read all the responses in this thread? Did you notice that we have provided numerous reasons why drinking diet soda could be correlated with not losing or even gaining weight?

Most people who are obese don't manage to lose weight, regardless of what they drink. If you are accurately counting your calories and stick to your calorie goal, whether you drink water or diet soda or unsweetened tea will NOT cause you to gain weight or stop you from losing weight. This is perfectly understandable to a lay-person - I am not a fitness model, personal trainer, scientist, or medical professional of any kind, and I managed to figure it out pretty quick

ninerbuff

rmgnow wrote: »

You can testify that you've drank a million diet cokes, every day and you became a fitness model, it doesn't mean much to the lay-person.
Fact is, if you are obese and you drink diet soda, you usually don't lose weight.
Diet soda are not directly involved in gaining weight.
But they are involved non the less.

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-artificial-sweeteners-affect-weight-loss-and-gain-2017-7

I'm not saying anyone should stop eating what they love, but there are no real benefits from diet soda except a temporary good mouth feel.

Lol, pretty naive statement. That's like saying "The DMV is not directly involved in car accidents. However because they gave the license to the driver that caused the accident, they are involved non the less."
How much sense does that make?

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rmgnow

kimny72 wrote: »

rmgnow wrote: »

You can testify that you've drank a million diet cokes, every day and you became a fitness model, it doesn't mean much to the lay-person.
Fact is, if you are obese and you drink diet soda, you usually don't lose weight.
Diet soda are not directly involved in gaining weight.
But they are involved non the less.

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-artificial-sweeteners-affect-weight-loss-and-gain-2017-7

I'm not saying anyone should stop eating what they love, but there are no real benefits from diet soda except a temporary good mouth feel.

Did you actually read your linked article beyond the headline? Did you notice they say this is an observed conclusion and they do not provide any possible biological or even scientific reason as to why this is the case?

Did you actually read all the responses in this thread? Did you notice that we have provided numerous reasons why drinking diet soda could be correlated with not losing or even gaining weight?

Most people who are obese don't manage to lose weight, regardless of what they drink. If you are accurately counting your calories and stick to your calorie goal, whether you drink water or diet soda or unsweetened tea will NOT cause you to gain weight or stop you from losing weight. This is perfectly understandable to a lay-person - I am not a fitness model, personal trainer, scientist, or medical professional of any kind, and I managed to figure it out pretty quick

Congratulations on figuring it out real quick.

I think I mentioned that diet soda is not directly responsible for gaining weight?
I'm pretty sure that I mentioned that.

So people that tend to drink diet soda
More likely overweight? Yes
Crave more sweets? Maybe
Eat more because of other factors? Maybe

I can say that people will lose weight if the count calories and are on a deficit, but there are some things that let people blow their calorie in take.
And it is chemical
You can choose to believe that or not

ninerbuff

rmgnow wrote: »

kimny72 wrote: »

rmgnow wrote: »

You can testify that you've drank a million diet cokes, every day and you became a fitness model, it doesn't mean much to the lay-person.
Fact is, if you are obese and you drink diet soda, you usually don't lose weight.
Diet soda are not directly involved in gaining weight.
But they are involved non the less.

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-artificial-sweeteners-affect-weight-loss-and-gain-2017-7

I'm not saying anyone should stop eating what they love, but there are no real benefits from diet soda except a temporary good mouth feel.

Did you actually read your linked article beyond the headline? Did you notice they say this is an observed conclusion and they do not provide any possible biological or even scientific reason as to why this is the case?

Did you actually read all the responses in this thread? Did you notice that we have provided numerous reasons why drinking diet soda could be correlated with not losing or even gaining weight?

Most people who are obese don't manage to lose weight, regardless of what they drink. If you are accurately counting your calories and stick to your calorie goal, whether you drink water or diet soda or unsweetened tea will NOT cause you to gain weight or stop you from losing weight. This is perfectly understandable to a lay-person - I am not a fitness model, personal trainer, scientist, or medical professional of any kind, and I managed to figure it out pretty quick

Congratulations on figuring it out real quick.

I think I mentioned that diet soda is not directly responsible for gaining weight?
I'm pretty sure that I mentioned that.

So people that tend to drink diet soda
More likely overweight? Yes
Crave more sweets? Maybe
Eat more because of other factors? Maybe

I can say that people will lose weight if the count calories and are on a deficit, but there are some things that let people blow their calorie in take.
And it is chemical
You can choose to believe that or not

Name one food or drink that's not chemically bonded at the molecular level? If nothing was "chemical" then it wouldn't need to be broken down by the stomach. Just absorbed as is.
Your understanding of how the body absorbs nutrients and macros seems very very basic at best.

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Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

cam1184

I lost a lot of weight a couple years ago using MFP, pretty quickly too. And I LIVED off Diet Dr. Pepper the whole time. My healthiest habit? Probably not. But did it hinder my weight loss at all? Not even a little bit.

kimny72

rmgnow wrote: »

kimny72 wrote: »

rmgnow wrote: »

You can testify that you've drank a million diet cokes, every day and you became a fitness model, it doesn't mean much to the lay-person.
Fact is, if you are obese and you drink diet soda, you usually don't lose weight.
Diet soda are not directly involved in gaining weight.
But they are involved non the less.

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-artificial-sweeteners-affect-weight-loss-and-gain-2017-7

I'm not saying anyone should stop eating what they love, but there are no real benefits from diet soda except a temporary good mouth feel.

Did you actually read your linked article beyond the headline? Did you notice they say this is an observed conclusion and they do not provide any possible biological or even scientific reason as to why this is the case?

Did you actually read all the responses in this thread? Did you notice that we have provided numerous reasons why drinking diet soda could be correlated with not losing or even gaining weight?

Most people who are obese don't manage to lose weight, regardless of what they drink. If you are accurately counting your calories and stick to your calorie goal, whether you drink water or diet soda or unsweetened tea will NOT cause you to gain weight or stop you from losing weight. This is perfectly understandable to a lay-person - I am not a fitness model, personal trainer, scientist, or medical professional of any kind, and I managed to figure it out pretty quick

Congratulations on figuring it out real quick.

I think I mentioned that diet soda is not directly responsible for gaining weight?
I'm pretty sure that I mentioned that.

So people that tend to drink diet soda
More likely overweight? Yes
Crave more sweets? Maybe
Eat more because of other factors? Maybe

I can say that people will lose weight if the count calories and are on a deficit, but there are some things that let people blow their calorie in take.
And it is chemical
You can choose to believe that or not

I don't "choose" to believe. A basic understanding of biology is how I know that drinking a zero calorie beverage does not cause weight gain. Someone who is not accurately accounting in some way for their calories "may" end up overeating when drinking diet soda for psychological reasons, but it has nothing to do with artificial sweeteners. In fact many diet-foods and fad health foods, whether they use artificial sweeteners or have fat removed or have a specific "good" ingredient, can subconsciously cause people to feel like they can reward themselves or they have extra calories and can have a treat. That doesn't mean the food causes weight gain, it means people aren't being aware and responsible for their intake.

A basic understanding of chemistry is how I know that "chemicals" is not a reason for anything, since literally every single thing in the known universe is made of chemicals.