Anyone else doing a sugar free diet?
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rheddmobile wrote: »Here is a completely decadent dessert free of all refining except for the energetic use of your own blender.
http://talesofakitchen.com/desserts/chocolate-banana-cake-with-caramel-layer-and-cacao-nibs/
For this dessert, calories are king.
That looks really good! Do you happen to know the carbs / slice off the top of your head? I can see the dates are going to have a fair number. I've been struggling with birthdays since becoming diabetic.
This dessert is inappropriate for a diabetic. It is far too high in natural sugars (14 g carbs) and 200 calories for a teeny slice.
For you, core an apple and fill it with walnuts cinnamon and raisins. Nuke it.3 -
MarziPanda95 wrote: »paulwatts747 wrote: »OliveGirl128 wrote: »
Nope, I gained weight because I ate excess calories mostly from salty/savory foods, with very low sugar content. For example-I'd sit down at night with a book and proceed to eat an entire bag of chili cheese fritos, which contain less than 1g of sugar per serving. One bag contains 1,600 calories. I was doing this on top of eating 3 meals and other snacks throughout the day. My weight gain had very little to do with sugar and everything to do with me consuming too many calories. I also didn't drink alcohol when I was overweight....
There's always an exception I suppose. SIXTEEN HUNDRED calories in a 28 gram bag of corn chips? They should be feeding those things to the starving in Africa. I hope it didn't take you too long to scour the net for a food high in calories but low in sugar.
Seriously? So those of us (I count at least three at this point) who have pointed out that we gained our excess weight on savoury low-sugar foods MUST be lying? Just because we don't agree with your point, don't fit your mold, don't work with your opinion, we're liars?
This is why people are saying the anti-sugar crowd aren't open minded. Even if we went to your house and ran these experiments to prove you wrong right in front of your very eyes, you wouldn't believe it. Even if we brought along leading scientists, nutritionists, weight loss experts... you'd still believe a quack like Lustig. Even if we shrunk you down to the size of a nanobot and went into someone's body to see what was happening, you wouldn't believe it.
Lmao I'm out
good luck with your goals, everyone.
Pretty sure we're being trolled, but hopefully the lurkers reading through this thread will realize that one can gain, lose and maintain their weight eating all sorts of different kinds of foods, high in sugar or not-it comes down to calorie balance. Once you figure that out you can then move forward with your weight goals
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rheddmobile wrote: »Here is a completely decadent dessert free of all refining except for the energetic use of your own blender.
http://talesofakitchen.com/desserts/chocolate-banana-cake-with-caramel-layer-and-cacao-nibs/
For this dessert, calories are king.
That looks really good! Do you happen to know the carbs / slice off the top of your head? I can see the dates are going to have a fair number. I've been struggling with birthdays since becoming diabetic.
This dessert is inappropriate for a diabetic. It is far too high in natural sugars (14 g carbs) and 200 calories for a teeny slice.
For you, core an apple and fill it with walnuts cinnamon and raisins. Nuke it.
14g is pretty good, actually - I can handle up to about 50g net carbs at a sitting without my glucose going over 140. Definitely not an everyday food, but quite possible for a once a year occasion.1 -
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Ha! For some reason since yesterday when I'm on the desktop version most of my posts are posting 2-3 times, driving me nuts! I cleared my cookies and restarted my computer but it's still being obnoxious.1 -
This sounds so unhealthy to me.3
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I can gain weight eating just under 50 grams of carbs daily with effort but I will lose it when I stop trying yet eating all of the calories it takes to make me fill stuffed daily. Anyone would reverts to name calling of others without a background that supports the name calling seems to me to be like hating on others for some unknown reason.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Lustig3 -
paulwatts747 wrote: »I note that the World Health Organisation recommends a sugar intake of no more than 5% of calories. That would amount to 100 calories or 25 grams of sugar on a 2000 calorie intake.
No, that's wrong. They recommend that ADDED or FREE sugars be no more than 10% of calories, 5% being even better. And as I often say, I think that 5% recommendation is quite reasonable and try to follow it in general (although the WHO's rationale is about calories and nutrition and teeth, so if you are someone who logs and is careful about diet but happens to eat more for some reason, that seems fine too).
The WHO's recommendation has nothing to do with any claims that ALL sugars should be limited OR with the claim that a NO sugar (or even no added sugar) diet is somehow healthier than one with 5% or less added sugar or the like. As I said early on, I am currently eating almost no added sugar, but I eat lots of fruit, veg, dairy, and I also see no reason why it would be beneficial to worry about the fact that something like sriracha has a little added sugar.
The WHO certainly does not support a claim to the contrary.I note also that MFP's recommended maximum is 3 times this much. So while I've been getting down to half recommended maximum sugar intake, I'm still 50% over that of the WHO.
NOPE. The MFP amount is ALL sugar and is based on a (sadly low, IMO) estimate of the amount of fruit and vegetables that most people consume. I can easily consume 25 g or more from vegetables (even if not eating fruit). If you think the WHO would find that a bad thing, I think you really misunderstand their recommendation, and nutrition.
For most people, keeping sugar below 25 g would mean eating fewer veg and fruit than is really ideal for health, IMO.7 -
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OliveGirl128 wrote: »paulwatts747 wrote: »OliveGirl128 wrote: »
Nope, I gained weight because I ate excess calories mostly from salty/savory foods, with very low sugar content. For example-I'd sit down at night with a book and proceed to eat an entire bag of chili cheese fritos, which contain less than 1g of sugar per serving. One bag contains 1,600 calories. I was doing this on top of eating 3 meals and other snacks throughout the day. My weight gain had very little to do with sugar and everything to do with me consuming too many calories. I also didn't drink alcohol when I was overweight....
There's always an exception I suppose. SIXTEEN HUNDRED calories in a 28 gram bag of corn chips? They should be feeding those things to the starving in Africa. I hope it didn't take you too long to scour the net for a food high in calories but low in sugar.
Didn't need to scour the internet, I just pulled the bag out of my pantry
eta: many kinds of chips and pretzels have very low sugar, or even no sugar. Those are the foods I ate too much of and that's mostly where my 50lb weight gain came from. Once I learned how CICO worked though, I was able to then move on and lose the extra weight with minimal fuss.
Hold on, hold on - how much does the bag weigh? because a 28 gram bag of anything couldn't have more than 252 calories... is that a typo and it's a 280g bag? Coz that makes more sense...2 -
We are all just batteries anyway ....1 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »OliveGirl128 wrote: »paulwatts747 wrote: »OliveGirl128 wrote: »
Nope, I gained weight because I ate excess calories mostly from salty/savory foods, with very low sugar content. For example-I'd sit down at night with a book and proceed to eat an entire bag of chili cheese fritos, which contain less than 1g of sugar per serving. One bag contains 1,600 calories. I was doing this on top of eating 3 meals and other snacks throughout the day. My weight gain had very little to do with sugar and everything to do with me consuming too many calories. I also didn't drink alcohol when I was overweight....
There's always an exception I suppose. SIXTEEN HUNDRED calories in a 28 gram bag of corn chips? They should be feeding those things to the starving in Africa. I hope it didn't take you too long to scour the net for a food high in calories but low in sugar.
Didn't need to scour the internet, I just pulled the bag out of my pantry
eta: many kinds of chips and pretzels have very low sugar, or even no sugar. Those are the foods I ate too much of and that's mostly where my 50lb weight gain came from. Once I learned how CICO worked though, I was able to then move on and lose the extra weight with minimal fuss.
Hold on, hold on - how much does the bag weigh? because a 28 gram bag of anything couldn't have more than 252 calories... is that a typo and it's a 280g bag? Coz that makes more sense...
Yeah, it was a typo on pp's end-one serving is 28g/160 calories. One bag has 10 servings, so around 280g per bag/1,600 calories. Really, it's a smallish bag, so its not that big of a challenge to eat a whole bag at a time, (in the past I've done this many times with these smaller bags of chips/pretzels/Pringles cans etc). Heck, it's like 1 epic Walking Taco's worth 1 -
OliveGirl128 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »OliveGirl128 wrote: »paulwatts747 wrote: »OliveGirl128 wrote: »
Nope, I gained weight because I ate excess calories mostly from salty/savory foods, with very low sugar content. For example-I'd sit down at night with a book and proceed to eat an entire bag of chili cheese fritos, which contain less than 1g of sugar per serving. One bag contains 1,600 calories. I was doing this on top of eating 3 meals and other snacks throughout the day. My weight gain had very little to do with sugar and everything to do with me consuming too many calories. I also didn't drink alcohol when I was overweight....
There's always an exception I suppose. SIXTEEN HUNDRED calories in a 28 gram bag of corn chips? They should be feeding those things to the starving in Africa. I hope it didn't take you too long to scour the net for a food high in calories but low in sugar.
Didn't need to scour the internet, I just pulled the bag out of my pantry
eta: many kinds of chips and pretzels have very low sugar, or even no sugar. Those are the foods I ate too much of and that's mostly where my 50lb weight gain came from. Once I learned how CICO worked though, I was able to then move on and lose the extra weight with minimal fuss.
Hold on, hold on - how much does the bag weigh? because a 28 gram bag of anything couldn't have more than 252 calories... is that a typo and it's a 280g bag? Coz that makes more sense...
Yeah, it was a typo on pp's end-one serving is 28g/160 calories. One bag has 10 servings, so around 280g per bag/1,600 calories. Really, it's a smallish bag, so its not that big of a challenge to eat a whole bag at a time, (in the past I've done this many times with these smaller bags of chips/pretzels/Pringles cans etc). Heck, it's like 1 epic Walking Taco's worth
Ah thanks, I was thinking you'd discovered the calorie TARDIS of foods.3 -
https://bmcnutr.biomedcentral.com/
"The present study used a metabolic chamber to measure the effects of consuming sugar-sweetened drinks with a meal. Sugar-sweetened drinks decreased energy expenditure and fat oxidation even when consumed with a high protein meal."
For those not into peer reviewed articles do not click on the link above or below.
https://bmcnutr.biomedcentral.com/about3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://bmcnutr.biomedcentral.com/
"The present study used a metabolic chamber to measure the effects of consuming sugar-sweetened drinks with a meal. Sugar-sweetened drinks decreased energy expenditure and fat oxidation even when consumed with a high protein meal."
For those not into peer reviewed articles do not click on the link above or below.
https://bmcnutr.biomedcentral.com/about
LOL. That "study" was complete and utter horsemanure. Almost entirely self-reported intake, plus only two 24 hr ward sessions? Yeah, you're gonna get some real useful info there.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »https://bmcnutr.biomedcentral.com/
"The present study used a metabolic chamber to measure the effects of consuming sugar-sweetened drinks with a meal. Sugar-sweetened drinks decreased energy expenditure and fat oxidation even when consumed with a high protein meal."
For those not into peer reviewed articles do not click on the link above or below.
https://bmcnutr.biomedcentral.com/about
LOL. That "study" was complete and utter horsemanure. Almost entirely self-reported intake, plus only two 24 hr ward sessions? Yeah, you're gonna get some real useful info there.
After you read the above peer reviewed research please post your peer reviewed articles that support your personal opinion stated above about the metabolic chamber research paper.6 -
Merits of that study aside, not sure what the effect of sugar-sweetened beverages has to do with the need/benefits of going sugar free and consuming "no processed food at all" (and as always, I still doubt anyone here actually avoids all processed foods, and you yourself post about consuming them, Gale).
I'd be interested in a thread on sugar-sweetened beverages particularly if you want to discuss that thread. But personally I don't consume them (don't like wasting calories on beverages and don't like most sugar sweetened beverages, in particular I dislike sweetened coffee), but don't follow a sugar free diet (I am currently eating lots of fruit, in fact) or avoid processed foods (why give up cheese?).1 -
I had a lot of weight loss success by changing nothing about my diet other than cutting out added sugar, candies, sweets, etc. I'm slowly weaning myself off again. Did y'all know sugar can be more addictive than cocaine? Oof.10
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I remember before gluten problems eating anything and everything. Going to the grocery store I would pick up a lunchable, a piece of pizza, or a chicken sandwich and eat it on my way home so my bf wouldn't see it and then I would eat dinner. On my way to work after already eating breakfast I would grab a egg and cheese biscuit and a large ice coffee every work day. I was eating to much of everything ... yes including sweets.1
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deannambarbour wrote: »I had a lot of weight loss success by changing nothing about my diet other than cutting out added sugar, candies, sweets, etc. I'm slowly weaning myself off again. Did y'all know sugar can be more addictive than cocaine? Oof.
So you lost weight by cutting out calorie dense foods, thus lowering your total calorie intake... are you surprised?
The statement that sugar is more addictive than cocaine has been discussed time and again on these boards. This ridiculous claim came from a study that shows that suggests that because sugar lights up a dopamine receptor in the brain, similarly to narcotics, then it must be just as addictive. You know what else lights up the dopamine receptor - anything pleasurable including petting puppies. Did y'all know that petting puppies is addictive? Oof.
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I didn't cut my caloric intake, at least not by any drastic means. I still ate plenty of crappy, calorie-dense food, but sugar was what I chose to eliminate completely.
My doctor is the one who gave me my information on the addictive quality of sugar. I don't spend a lot of time perusing message boards for hard facts.
I was making conversation. Maybe you're having a bad day, so I'll excuse your tone, but I was simply responding to the OP with my own personal experience.WinoGelato wrote: »deannambarbour wrote: »I had a lot of weight loss success by changing nothing about my diet other than cutting out added sugar, candies, sweets, etc. I'm slowly weaning myself off again. Did y'all know sugar can be more addictive than cocaine? Oof.
So you lost weight by cutting out calorie dense foods, thus lowering your total calorie intake... are you surprised?
The statement that sugar is more addictive than cocaine has been discussed time and again on these boards. This ridiculous claim came from a study that shows that suggests that because sugar lights up a dopamine receptor in the brain, similarly to narcotics, then it must be just as addictive. You know what else lights up the dopamine receptor - anything pleasurable including petting puppies. Did y'all know that petting puppies is addictive? Oof.
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deannambarbour wrote: »I had a lot of weight loss success by changing nothing about my diet other than cutting out added sugar, candies, sweets, etc. I'm slowly weaning myself off again. Did y'all know sugar can be more addictive than cocaine? Oof.
I cut out sodas and lost a lot of weight...because when I cut out sodas I cut out about 500-850 calories per day because I usually drank between 3-5 sodas per day.
I did not have any addiction withdrawals...cocaine on the other-hand...withdrawals are so bad the people often have to be given supervised care because they want to kill themselves.4 -
deannambarbour wrote: »I didn't cut my caloric intake, at least not by any drastic means. I still ate plenty of crappy, calorie-dense food, but sugar was what I chose to eliminate completely.
If you cut out something you used to eat, you likely cut calories.
One Lent I cut out animal products. I wasn't trying to lose weight, but I lost a bunch, even during the limited time period of Lent. Is that because animal products cause weight gain more than other foods? Or that by limiting foods I was used to eating I cut calories?
If you ate lots of sugary foods (many of which are high cal due to the fat content too), then of course cutting them would cause a decrease in calories, especially since they are not usually very filling and are easy to overeat.
I think the thing about sugar being addictive is kind of silly, and if my doctor had said that I would have asked if she was suggesting I was addicted (presumably not, as you can't decide someone is addicted just because they enjoy foods that many think taste good). But in any case that has nothing to do with whether cutting sugary treats causes weight loss (for many it probably does lead to a reduction in calories and so yes, and I expect your doctor knows that).
As I said above, I have nothing against cutting out added sugar (although if you are addicted to sugar, you'd be addicted to fruit too, and personally I'm not cutting fruit out of my diet). I found cutting out added sugar helpful with my emotional eating issues (although quite easy and it certainly didn't involve any withdrawal) and I think sugary treats are something many who need to lose would benefit from cutting down on (including soda, which I personally wouldn't ever waste calories on).3
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