What the hell are carbs?
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin
This is technically incorrect. If your body produces no insulin, as in type 1 diabetes, you will lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.
Which is the exact opposite of what I was saying and I was referring to someone with no medical condition....
Insulin is required for everyone, medical condition or not, and it does effect the way the body handles and stores calories. I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.
Links to said studies...
Without insulin you wouldn't be able to store fat. It's a pretty basic understanding of how the human body works...
You said multiple studies show the same exact calories don't by result in weight losss and I asked you to link to said studies.
But please, keep changing the subject ...1 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin
This is technically incorrect. If your body produces no insulin, as in type 1 diabetes, you will lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.
Which is the exact opposite of what I was saying and I was referring to someone with no medical condition....
Insulin is required for everyone, medical condition or not, and it does effect the way the body handles and stores calories. I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.
Links to said studies...
Without insulin you wouldn't be able to store fat. It's a pretty basic understanding of how the human body works...
You said multiple studies show the same exact calories don't by result in weight losss and I asked you to link to said studies.
But please, keep changing the subject ...
I think you're confused and should look at the quotes to see who said what.
But back to what I was saying. Without insulin you aren't able to put on fat. In response to you saying "Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin". Without insulin, there is no fat storage.3 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin
This is technically incorrect. If your body produces no insulin, as in type 1 diabetes, you will lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.
Which is the exact opposite of what I was saying and I was referring to someone with no medical condition....
Insulin is required for everyone, medical condition or not, and it does effect the way the body handles and stores calories. I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.
Links to said studies...
Without insulin you wouldn't be able to store fat. It's a pretty basic understanding of how the human body works...
You said multiple studies show the same exact calories don't by result in weight losss and I asked you to link to said studies.
But please, keep changing the subject ...
I think you're confused and should look at the quotes to see who said what.
But back to what I was saying. Without insulin you aren't able to put on fat. In response to you saying "Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin". Without insulin, there is no fat storage.
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nokanjaijo wrote: »nokanjaijo wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »nokanjaijo wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »emmaellery1989 wrote: »Ok sorry everyone let me explain myself a bit better. I wrote this in a hurry!
Just to make you all aware the title was meant to be ironic. I apologise!
My original discussion with my nutritionist was that a low carb diet was generally avoiding things like white bread and potatoes. (This is a very very vague explanation as we went through many different things!)
But then when I got on here everything I logged was coming up as carbs. So when we looked at my results at the end of each day my diet said I lived on carbs!!
I haven't seen her since then because I'm waiting for an appointment. And before you all attack her she has been brilliant and helped me a lot. I just can't get enough appointments so have to work it out myself a bit in between.
Does this make more sense to anyone?
(Basically I'm avoiding what I've been told to avoid, but my stats are saying I'm living on carbs.)
To the bolded, most foods will have at least some carbs in them (as has been explained well already), but if everything you're logging is coming up as only containing carbs and no fat or protein, then I'd check the entries you're using and be sure the macros on them are correct. There are a ton of erroneous entries in the database and I suppose it's possible you're finding all of them when you log. Opening your diary so that we can see it might help if you want some extra eyeballs helping you check for inaccurate entries.
@emmaellery1989 please change your Diary Sharing settings to Public: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/diary_settings
Considering that you've sort of become a little scrap of talking point that the carb and no-carb people are fighting over, I'd hold off on going public with your diary, @emmaellery1989. That's just MHO.
Pretending like people would be rude about OP's diary is uncalled for and unhelpful.
The squabbling in the thread isn't really about OP at all, but because some people gave inaccurate information which others rebutted.
I don't particularly think OP needs to share her diary, but it would help clarify whether she is choosing inaccurate entries, has a confused idea of how many carbs come from just vegetables (if she was expecting very low carb numbers and sees 30% carbs as, say, high, that could explain the issue), or is not choosing enough foods to meet her fat and protein goals. But as I said before, I'd ask for an explanation from the nutritionist or, ideally, spend time talking through her diet issues with an RD.
You were just rude to me by suggesting my opinion is somehoe pretense. That only compnvinces me further that the atmosphere here is not conducive to OP opening her diary up for scrutiny.
Please copy and paste a thread here to show us when an op was asked to open her diary for helpful suggestion and in turn was treated with disrespect.
I did not say anybody would be rude or disrespectful. It's not my fear.
Then what is your concern?6 -
How do I delete this? Had so much negativity over a simple question.
People seem to think both myself and my nutritionist are idiots2 -
rheddmobile wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin
This is technically incorrect. If your body produces no insulin, as in type 1 diabetes, you will lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.
Which is the exact opposite of what I was saying and I was referring to someone with no medical condition....
Insulin is required for everyone, medical condition or not, and it does effect the way the body handles and stores calories. I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.
Links to said studies...
I have a long standing habit of not doing research for people who are just going to ignore it anyway. You have the same ability to use Google as I do and have clearly ignored everything that contradicted your thinking, believe what you want. My post is for others who would take your misinformation as fact.
Original poster, sorry about all this - to summarize, you do need to talk further to your nutritionist about what your goals are. Based on what I'm hearing about your digestive issues, she's probably concerned you should eat more protein, not specifically restrict carbs, but really there's no way to know without talking to her.7 -
ruqayyahsmum wrote: »Ben_there_done_that wrote: »Carcomymrates are like spaghetti, breads, paper towels...
Yea i just cant kick the paper towel habit
You should meet my puppy...paper towels and toilet paper ARE a food group for him, i swear2 -
emmaellery1989 wrote: »Ok sorry everyone let me explain myself a bit better. I wrote this in a hurry!
Just to make you all aware the title was meant to be ironic. I apologise!
My original discussion with my nutritionist was that a low carb diet was generally avoiding things like white bread and potatoes. (This is a very very vague explanation as we went through many different things!)
But then when I got on here everything I logged was coming up as carbs. So when we looked at my results at the end of each day my diet said I lived on carbs!!
I haven't seen her since then because I'm waiting for an appointment. And before you all attack her she has been brilliant and helped me a lot. I just can't get enough appointments so have to work it out myself a bit in between.
Does this make more sense to anyone?
(Basically I'm avoiding what I've been told to avoid, but my stats are saying I'm living on carbs.)emmaellery1989 wrote: »I'm also the healthiest I've ever been now as I can't have gluten. And anything with starch in it seems to absolutely destroy my stomach and cause me lots of pain.emmaellery1989 wrote: »How do I delete this? Had so much negativity over a simple question.
People seem to think both myself and my nutritionist are idiots
Dear @emmaellery1989 I'm trying to get your thread back on track.
You're not an idiot. I think you've done a good thing in asking for help in this community. They've been a great help to me, and helped me lose 80lbs and maintain that loss for over a year.
I'm sorry you feel like you're being picked on. I'm sure nobody is trying to do that. It's just that nutritionists are not usually well-trained like dieticians are. It's your nutritionist people take issue with, not you.
It is a red flag that the nutritionist would tell you to go low-carb to cure a gluten, starch or dairy allergy. This does not make sense.
Please be aware that low carb is currently in a fad phase where everybody's hairdresser's sister's BFF has said it helped them but they only lost weight due to a water weight whoosh in the first week then gave up because it's rubbish.
Not a lot of dairy contains carbs, AFAIK. Not all carbs contain gluten. Not all carbs contain starch. You should be avoiding these things, not doing a blanket low carb diet.
How much exercise do you do, and what sort? Carbs are important for endurance.
What tests have you had? Are you using the Monash University app for foods that contain gluten and doing the Low-Fodmap diet? http://www.med.monash.edu/cecs/gastro/fodmap/ That's the leading scientific research into gluten intolerance.
Hang in there, everybody's trying to help.
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rheddmobile wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin
This is technically incorrect. If your body produces no insulin, as in type 1 diabetes, you will lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.
Which is the exact opposite of what I was saying and I was referring to someone with no medical condition....
Insulin is required for everyone, medical condition or not, and it does effect the way the body handles and stores calories. I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.
Links to said studies...
I have a long standing habit of not doing research for people who are just going to ignore it anyway. You have the same ability to use Google as I do and have clearly ignored everything that contradicted your thinking, believe what you want. My post is for others who would take your misinformation as fact.
Original poster, sorry about all this - to summarize, you do need to talk further to your nutritionist about what your goals are. Based on what I'm hearing about your digestive issues, she's probably concerned you should eat more protein, not specifically restrict carbs, but really there's no way to know without talking to her.
You make the claim , you provide the studies..it's not my job to prove your assertions...
Calories = calories in that they all provide the same unit of energy; however they do not all contain the same nutritional profile.8 -
rheddmobile wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin
This is technically incorrect. If your body produces no insulin, as in type 1 diabetes, you will lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.
Which is the exact opposite of what I was saying and I was referring to someone with no medical condition....
Insulin is required for everyone, medical condition or not, and it does effect the way the body handles and stores calories. I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.
Links to said studies...
I have a long standing habit of not doing research for people who are just going to ignore it anyway. You have the same ability to use Google as I do and have clearly ignored everything that contradicted your thinking, believe what you want. My post is for others who would take your misinformation as fact.
Original poster, sorry about all this - to summarize, you do need to talk further to your nutritionist about what your goals are. Based on what I'm hearing about your digestive issues, she's probably concerned you should eat more protein, not specifically restrict carbs, but really there's no way to know without talking to her.
You have a long standing habit of not knowing how burden of proof works?9 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin
This is technically incorrect. If your body produces no insulin, as in type 1 diabetes, you will lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.
Which is the exact opposite of what I was saying and I was referring to someone with no medical condition....
Insulin is required for everyone, medical condition or not, and it does effect the way the body handles and stores calories. I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.
Links to said studies...
Without insulin you wouldn't be able to store fat. It's a pretty basic understanding of how the human body works...
You said multiple studies show the same exact calories don't by result in weight losss and I asked you to link to said studies.
But please, keep changing the subject ...
I think you're confused and should look at the quotes to see who said what.
But back to what I was saying. Without insulin you aren't able to put on fat. In response to you saying "Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin". Without insulin, there is no fat storage.
Here is a direct quote for you
I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.
So I think you are the one that needs to go back and read it...1 -
rheddmobile wrote: »nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin
This is technically incorrect. If your body produces no insulin, as in type 1 diabetes, you will lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.
Yep. Decomposition would eventually result in 100% weight loss.
(Hint: no insulin means blood sugar would reach mortal levels and you would die)5 -
emmaellery1989 wrote: »How do I delete this? Had so much negativity over a simple question.
People seem to think both myself and my nutritionist are idiots
You can use the report function (bottom right corner of your post on a PC or the three dots in the top right corner on the app) and choose "This is my post and I'd like it deleted." The mods will remove it once they check in.0 -
emmaellery1989 wrote: »How do I delete this? Had so much negativity over a simple question.
People seem to think both myself and my nutritionist are idiots
People looooooooove to argue. It's always the same people. If they get under your skin you can put them on "ignore" - just click their username and then the Ignore button. :drinker:
This whole argument plays out every day on these forums. It does get tedious. It's not about you in any way.
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emmaellery1989 wrote: »How do I delete this? Had so much negativity over a simple question.
People seem to think both myself and my nutritionist are idiots
I don't think any of the arguments are directed at you.
But I do think either your nutritionist (and as others have noted not all who use the term nutritionist are well qualified, that's why people have suggested an RD if she is not one) did not explain things well or you missed something in the translation. That doesn't make either of you an idiot (although I am judgmental about nutritionist types who don't explain things). My mother had a special diet for a medical condition and was uncomfortable asking questions -- I think that's common, especially if you don't realize you have them until later or think you should know things you do not (like what foods have carbs, maybe, or what a low carb diet is -- and the later doesn't have a clearly defined meaning). I don't think it is blame-worthy or a sign of stupidity, but I do think professionals need to be conscious of this and make sure people understand -- so I guess I do blame your nutritionist some, although I also think you should feel free to call with questions. (And yeah, this is related to my frustration about my mom's experience, as she was confused and did not get clear advice.)
Anyway, in your first post you said:
"So with help of a nutritionist I'm meant to be on a low carb diet."
Great -- but you should have been told what your carb goal is. Low carb does not mean NO carb and might not mean particularly low. Your numbers might be fine, as you haven't told us what they are. Often, if a nutritionist thinks the person is eating HIGH carbs, they might recommend lowering them and eating more protein, especially, but not mean low carb. Others may recommend low carb but mean just under 150 g, or under 100 g. She may mean no specific numbers but just avoiding starchy sides (in which case I'd hope she explained the reasons for that and it doesn't sound like she explained that this is what's being recommended vs. a more traditional low carb diet with a carb goal). I don't mean this to be negative -- I am trying to explain.Items such as cucumber are coming up as carbs? And so are carrots?
Again, if the nutritionist did not explain that vegetables have carbs and how that affects what she is recommending (ignore fiber, eat vegetables freely, don't track carbs but just avoid carb-heavy foods like, again, starchy sides, whatever), then I am sorry, but that is not doing a good job, IMO. Doesn't make anyone an idiot, but it's part of what should have been explained.
Yes, vegetables are mostly carbs. I low carb, and I eat lots of vegetables, since my goal is between 50 and 100 carbs (or around 50-75 net carbs at most), and while vegetables are mostly carbs they are low cal so don't have a lot of carbs (especially not net carbs).
But again WHY low carb is being recommended needs to have been explained. It might well have to do with getting protein up or some such.And she's told me now I'm eating too many carbs??
I live on meat, fish, fresh fruit, veg and a few nuts.
On what did she base the claim that you were eating too many carbs? On your actual diet and carb numbers (in which case, what were they?). Is she pushing super low carb/keto? If so, was the diet and the reasons for it explained? Or did she just assume you needed to cut carbs without knowing what you were eating.
You said you seemed to have high carb numbers, but with these choices I wouldn't expect them to be high unless it's tiny portions of meat and large amounts of fruit. That's why some suggested opening the diary, to see if your numbers seemed off, which might just mean entries are off and no problem with food choice. Or it could be your protein and fat ARE too low, or there's something you aren't thinking of here.7 -
emmaellery1989 wrote: »How do I delete this? Had so much negativity over a simple question.
People seem to think both myself and my nutritionist are idiots
I certainly don't think you're an idiot. Most of us aren't given very comprehensive nutritional education and it's quite common for people to come here and not know much about various macronutrients. I didn't understand it very well myself until the last few years.2 -
ruqayyahsmum wrote: »Ben_there_done_that wrote: »Carcomymrates are like spaghetti, breads, paper towels...
Yea i just cant kick the paper towel habit
You should meet my puppy...paper towels and toilet paper ARE a food group for him, i swear
My cat is obsessed with ponytail holders and shoelaces among other things. MUST be kept away from him.1 -
emmaellery1989 wrote: »How do I delete this? Had so much negativity over a simple question.
People seem to think both myself and my nutritionist are idiots
Very little of this thread has anything to do with your OP...people are arguing among each other about other things and the thread has been derailed. Don't feel as though it has anything to do with you or even your original question.3 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin
This is technically incorrect. If your body produces no insulin, as in type 1 diabetes, you will lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.
Which is the exact opposite of what I was saying and I was referring to someone with no medical condition....
Insulin is required for everyone, medical condition or not, and it does effect the way the body handles and stores calories. I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.
Links to said studies...
Without insulin you wouldn't be able to store fat. It's a pretty basic understanding of how the human body works...
You said multiple studies show the same exact calories don't by result in weight losss and I asked you to link to said studies.
But please, keep changing the subject ...
I think you're confused and should look at the quotes to see who said what.
But back to what I was saying. Without insulin you aren't able to put on fat. In response to you saying "Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin". Without insulin, there is no fat storage.
Here is a direct quote for you
I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.
So I think you are the one that needs to go back and read it...
That's what I said? Looks like you missed the mark again.0 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin
This is technically incorrect. If your body produces no insulin, as in type 1 diabetes, you will lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.
Which is the exact opposite of what I was saying and I was referring to someone with no medical condition....
Insulin is required for everyone, medical condition or not, and it does effect the way the body handles and stores calories. I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.
Links to said studies...
Without insulin you wouldn't be able to store fat. It's a pretty basic understanding of how the human body works...
You said multiple studies show the same exact calories don't by result in weight losss and I asked you to link to said studies.
But please, keep changing the subject ...
I think you're confused and should look at the quotes to see who said what.
But back to what I was saying. Without insulin you aren't able to put on fat. In response to you saying "Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin". Without insulin, there is no fat storage.
Here is a direct quote for you
I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.
So I think you are the one that needs to go back and read it...
That's what I said? Looks like you missed the mark again.
maybe you should try not to jump in the middle of conversations that are not directed at you ...I think you are confused..2 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin
This is technically incorrect. If your body produces no insulin, as in type 1 diabetes, you will lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.
Which is the exact opposite of what I was saying and I was referring to someone with no medical condition....
Insulin is required for everyone, medical condition or not, and it does effect the way the body handles and stores calories. I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.
Links to said studies...
Without insulin you wouldn't be able to store fat. It's a pretty basic understanding of how the human body works...
You said multiple studies show the same exact calories don't by result in weight losss and I asked you to link to said studies.
But please, keep changing the subject ...
I think you're confused and should look at the quotes to see who said what.
But back to what I was saying. Without insulin you aren't able to put on fat. In response to you saying "Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin". Without insulin, there is no fat storage.
Here is a direct quote for you
I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.
So I think you are the one that needs to go back and read it...
That's what I said? Looks like you missed the mark again.
maybe you should try not to jump in the middle of conversations that are not directed at you ...I think you are confused..
Haha now I'll use your phrase "now you're moving the goal posts" haha0 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin
This is technically incorrect. If your body produces no insulin, as in type 1 diabetes, you will lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.
Which is the exact opposite of what I was saying and I was referring to someone with no medical condition....
Insulin is required for everyone, medical condition or not, and it does effect the way the body handles and stores calories. I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.
Links to said studies...
Without insulin you wouldn't be able to store fat. It's a pretty basic understanding of how the human body works...
You said multiple studies show the same exact calories don't by result in weight losss and I asked you to link to said studies.
But please, keep changing the subject ...
I think you're confused and should look at the quotes to see who said what.
But back to what I was saying. Without insulin you aren't able to put on fat. In response to you saying "Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin". Without insulin, there is no fat storage.
Here is a direct quote for you
I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.
So I think you are the one that needs to go back and read it...
That's what I said? Looks like you missed the mark again.
maybe you should try not to jump in the middle of conversations that are not directed at you ...I think you are confused..
Haha now I'll use your phrase "now you're moving the goal posts" haha
nope not at all ...I was replying to the original poster in this thread. .you jumped in and acted like I was talking to you, which I was not...
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emmaellery1989 wrote: »How do I delete this? Had so much negativity over a simple question.
People seem to think both myself and my nutritionist are idiots
No, I think you may be using inaccurate database entries and want to take a look at your diary to see if I can help you out.
Many, many entries, even ones with green checks, were inputted by users and are inaccurate. They may be giving you wrong macro counts.
If you change your Diary Sharing settings to Public: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/diary_settings we can help you sort this out. It's easy for me to spot system entries that came from the USDA database vs user-created entries.3 -
Hi emmaellery1989,
I dont think you are an idiot at all! It sounds like you were given vague instructions to cut out 'high carb' foods like bread and starch. You did so, but according to your diary or your nutritionist you are still eating (too many?) carbs.
I think that raises a couple questions. First, how low are the settings for carbs in your diary? If your nutritionist is suggesting a "keto" diet, that is a tiny amount of carbs and things like fruit, dairy and even a carrot can put it over. Many people have had success on keto diets, but you have to know what you're getting into and decide whether it is for you and what your goals are. Secondly, if there is a medical reason (eg diabetes or prediabetes) then you also might have specifically low recommendations.
Otherwise, its possible that you are just eating a lot of fruit, veggies, dairy and any other added sugars?
I guess the question is --is it really too many carbs? Is there a specific set of macros (proprotions?) that you are going for and why? iF there is and you open your diary, we can help pinpoint the issue. But I guess I'd like to know why your nutritionist thinks you are 'living off carbs' given what you've told us of your diet. I eat veggies and dairy daily , fruit most days, put a little agave in my coffee and usually one starchy thing a day and I am often under my carb target (40% carbs, 30% protein, 30% fat, baseline of 1260 cal before exercise).2 -
WinoGelato wrote: »nokanjaijo wrote: »nokanjaijo wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »nokanjaijo wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »emmaellery1989 wrote: »Ok sorry everyone let me explain myself a bit better. I wrote this in a hurry!
Just to make you all aware the title was meant to be ironic. I apologise!
My original discussion with my nutritionist was that a low carb diet was generally avoiding things like white bread and potatoes. (This is a very very vague explanation as we went through many different things!)
But then when I got on here everything I logged was coming up as carbs. So when we looked at my results at the end of each day my diet said I lived on carbs!!
I haven't seen her since then because I'm waiting for an appointment. And before you all attack her she has been brilliant and helped me a lot. I just can't get enough appointments so have to work it out myself a bit in between.
Does this make more sense to anyone?
(Basically I'm avoiding what I've been told to avoid, but my stats are saying I'm living on carbs.)
To the bolded, most foods will have at least some carbs in them (as has been explained well already), but if everything you're logging is coming up as only containing carbs and no fat or protein, then I'd check the entries you're using and be sure the macros on them are correct. There are a ton of erroneous entries in the database and I suppose it's possible you're finding all of them when you log. Opening your diary so that we can see it might help if you want some extra eyeballs helping you check for inaccurate entries.
@emmaellery1989 please change your Diary Sharing settings to Public: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/diary_settings
Considering that you've sort of become a little scrap of talking point that the carb and no-carb people are fighting over, I'd hold off on going public with your diary, @emmaellery1989. That's just MHO.
Pretending like people would be rude about OP's diary is uncalled for and unhelpful.
The squabbling in the thread isn't really about OP at all, but because some people gave inaccurate information which others rebutted.
I don't particularly think OP needs to share her diary, but it would help clarify whether she is choosing inaccurate entries, has a confused idea of how many carbs come from just vegetables (if she was expecting very low carb numbers and sees 30% carbs as, say, high, that could explain the issue), or is not choosing enough foods to meet her fat and protein goals. But as I said before, I'd ask for an explanation from the nutritionist or, ideally, spend time talking through her diet issues with an RD.
You were just rude to me by suggesting my opinion is somehoe pretense. That only compnvinces me further that the atmosphere here is not conducive to OP opening her diary up for scrutiny.
Please copy and paste a thread here to show us when an op was asked to open her diary for helpful suggestion and in turn was treated with disrespect.
I did not say anybody would be rude or disrespectful. It's not my fear.
Then what is your concern?
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