What the hell are carbs?
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diannethegeek wrote: »emmaellery1989 wrote: »Ok sorry everyone let me explain myself a bit better. I wrote this in a hurry!
Just to make you all aware the title was meant to be ironic. I apologise!
My original discussion with my nutritionist was that a low carb diet was generally avoiding things like white bread and potatoes. (This is a very very vague explanation as we went through many different things!)
But then when I got on here everything I logged was coming up as carbs. So when we looked at my results at the end of each day my diet said I lived on carbs!!
I haven't seen her since then because I'm waiting for an appointment. And before you all attack her she has been brilliant and helped me a lot. I just can't get enough appointments so have to work it out myself a bit in between.
Does this make more sense to anyone?
(Basically I'm avoiding what I've been told to avoid, but my stats are saying I'm living on carbs.)
To the bolded, most foods will have at least some carbs in them (as has been explained well already), but if everything you're logging is coming up as only containing carbs and no fat or protein, then I'd check the entries you're using and be sure the macros on them are correct. There are a ton of erroneous entries in the database and I suppose it's possible you're finding all of them when you log. Opening your diary so that we can see it might help if you want some extra eyeballs helping you check for inaccurate entries.
@emmaellery1989 please change your Diary Sharing settings to Public: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/diary_settings3 -
Borshch does, but I've never used them in goulash.2
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GrumpyHeadmistress wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »piperdown44 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »I would imagine that your nutritionist is referring to heavy/refined/processed carbs that don't have much nutrition, such as bread or pasta.
Carbs in fruits and vegetables are fine as they're natural - these are 'fiber' carbs and needed.
Just like sugar in a banana is natural when compared to sugar in sweets, natural carbs are full of nutrition (such as fibre) and are a much better choice when compared to processed carbs.
So carbs in bread....are not fiber carbs...and are not natural? Hmmmm.
No, bread isn't natural, it's man made and it's a refined carb (especially if it's white, whole grain is better for you and more nutritional). Bread is made from natural ingredients (wheat) so does have fiber in it, but it's a 'starchy' refined carb and nowhere near as nutritional as natural fiber carbs found in vegetables that grow naturally, such as broccoli.
How can something with "natural ingredients" be unnatural? I mean, if I made a pot of chili that would be (wo)manmade, but it doesn't mean that the nutrients in it somehow vanish. Many of the foods we eat undergo some form of prep or processing (either by us or prior to the point of purchase).
A diet can include bread and broccoli. It's not like we have to forgo all the benefits of broccoli forever in order to have a slice of bread.
Beans in that chili or Texas style? Just had to ask.....
Just sharing for funsies: My mom used to make chili with beans, but we didn't like it so she started using macaroni. Thank God nobody called the authorities, because I'm pretty sure that was a crime.
Your mom made goolosh.
I though goulash traditionally had beets in it?
paprika and cream.5 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »Borshch does, but I've never used them in goulash.
You're absolutely right, I was thinking of borscht.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »emmaellery1989 wrote: »Ok sorry everyone let me explain myself a bit better. I wrote this in a hurry!
Just to make you all aware the title was meant to be ironic. I apologise!
My original discussion with my nutritionist was that a low carb diet was generally avoiding things like white bread and potatoes. (This is a very very vague explanation as we went through many different things!)
But then when I got on here everything I logged was coming up as carbs. So when we looked at my results at the end of each day my diet said I lived on carbs!!
I haven't seen her since then because I'm waiting for an appointment. And before you all attack her she has been brilliant and helped me a lot. I just can't get enough appointments so have to work it out myself a bit in between.
Does this make more sense to anyone?
(Basically I'm avoiding what I've been told to avoid, but my stats are saying I'm living on carbs.)
To the bolded, most foods will have at least some carbs in them (as has been explained well already), but if everything you're logging is coming up as only containing carbs and no fat or protein, then I'd check the entries you're using and be sure the macros on them are correct. There are a ton of erroneous entries in the database and I suppose it's possible you're finding all of them when you log. Opening your diary so that we can see it might help if you want some extra eyeballs helping you check for inaccurate entries.
@emmaellery1989 please change your Diary Sharing settings to Public: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/diary_settings
Considering that you've sort of become a little scrap of talking point that the carb and no-carb people are fighting over, I'd hold off on going public with your diary, @emmaellery1989. That's just MHO.4 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Spot on Sijomial it also creates a change in the bodies metabolism.
Low carb diets make the body utilise fats as the main energy source. Hence low carb calorie restricted diets result in faster fat loss. HOWEVER Once you re-introduce carbs, you'll find you likely gain weight back on quicker as carbs are easier to metabolise than fats and the extra cheese you've been cramming becomes your new fat storage... Bad times...
Good for a quick burn, but not an ideal resolution long term as chocolate etc will come calling again one day.
Um no...........
When you don't ingest carb calories, you are ingesting protein and fat calories. When you eat low carb - your energy sources are ingested protein, ingested fat, and stored fat.
If I'm eating a reduced calorie diet (CICO)....my energy sources are ingested carbs, ingested protein, ingested fat, and stored fat. I'm not storing fat when I am eating less than my TDEE.
Weight regain is more likely due to glycogen stores. Your body "wrings out" glycogen stores (low carb flu) when you start eating low carb, it replenishes those stores when you go back to regular eating habits.
Again you are not storing fat when you are not eating more than your TDEE.
Eat low carb because you have medical issues, or because you enjoy it, not because it is "faster fat loss"....because it's not.
It's proven it is faster fat loss.
https://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/
IT may show a tiny insignificant/irrelevant benefit to reducing muscle loss. but so do high protein non-keto diets.
Ketosis may have a small increase in total calorie burn... but again, it's within the 10% margin of error of calorie measurement/estimation.
You must not have looked at the page he linked to.
The page you linked to is one of the biggest fitness/nutrition woo sites on the internet.12 -
Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive9 -
nokanjaijo wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »emmaellery1989 wrote: »Ok sorry everyone let me explain myself a bit better. I wrote this in a hurry!
Just to make you all aware the title was meant to be ironic. I apologise!
My original discussion with my nutritionist was that a low carb diet was generally avoiding things like white bread and potatoes. (This is a very very vague explanation as we went through many different things!)
But then when I got on here everything I logged was coming up as carbs. So when we looked at my results at the end of each day my diet said I lived on carbs!!
I haven't seen her since then because I'm waiting for an appointment. And before you all attack her she has been brilliant and helped me a lot. I just can't get enough appointments so have to work it out myself a bit in between.
Does this make more sense to anyone?
(Basically I'm avoiding what I've been told to avoid, but my stats are saying I'm living on carbs.)
To the bolded, most foods will have at least some carbs in them (as has been explained well already), but if everything you're logging is coming up as only containing carbs and no fat or protein, then I'd check the entries you're using and be sure the macros on them are correct. There are a ton of erroneous entries in the database and I suppose it's possible you're finding all of them when you log. Opening your diary so that we can see it might help if you want some extra eyeballs helping you check for inaccurate entries.
@emmaellery1989 please change your Diary Sharing settings to Public: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/diary_settings
Considering that you've sort of become a little scrap of talking point that the carb and no-carb people are fighting over, I'd hold off on going public with your diary, @emmaellery1989. That's just MHO.
Pretending like people would be rude about OP's diary is uncalled for and unhelpful.
The squabbling in the thread isn't really about OP at all, but because some people gave inaccurate information which others rebutted.
I don't particularly think OP needs to share her diary, but it would help clarify whether she is choosing inaccurate entries, has a confused idea of how many carbs come from just vegetables (if she was expecting very low carb numbers and sees 30% carbs as, say, high, that could explain the issue), or is not choosing enough foods to meet her fat and protein goals. But as I said before, I'd ask for an explanation from the nutritionist or, ideally, spend time talking through her diet issues with an RD.12 -
janejellyroll wrote: »tinkerbellang83 wrote: »Wow, some of these points scrutinising everything I say for no reason really...
I'm not saying to cut out bread and pasta - I eat both - I'm answering the first question asking what the nutritionist meant by carbs. It's obvious she didn't mean vegetables.
How is it obvious that's what her nutritionist meant? Surely her nutritionist should know what her client is regularly consuming and shouldn't just blanket state she is eating too many carbs without reviewing what it is that she is actually eating. OP has stated she mostly eats meat, fish, fruit, veg and nuts, no mention of over-indulging in bread and pasta.
I really didn't mean to offend anyone, I'm simply making the point that complex carbs are not the same as simple carbs; no low carb diets (that I know of) cut out vegetables, but almost all cut down on pasta and white bread.
100g of bread is generally considered worse for you than 100g of broccoli in general nutrition & calories.
However, you're right - if she's only eating those foods and the nutritionist wasn't referring to refined carbs, she needs to sack the nutritionist immediately.
Psst . . . bread and pasta are are complex carbohydrates.
Bread can come in two forms: white, refined-flour bread, with mostly simple carbohydrates, and whole-grain bread, with mostly complex carbohydrates
Oh dear, if all you know is white and wheat bread, you have been seriously miseducated. Come to the dark side and experience the joy of pumpernickel. #browncarbsmatter
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nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin12 -
nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin
This is technically incorrect. If your body produces no insulin, as in type 1 diabetes, you will lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.5 -
rheddmobile wrote: »nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin
This is technically incorrect. If your body produces no insulin, as in type 1 diabetes, you will lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.
Which is the exact opposite of what I was saying and I was referring to someone with no medical condition....4 -
French_Peasant wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »I would imagine that your nutritionist is referring to heavy/refined/processed carbs that don't have much nutrition, such as bread or pasta.
Carbs in fruits and vegetables are fine as they're natural - these are 'fiber' carbs and needed.
Just like sugar in a banana is natural when compared to sugar in sweets, natural carbs are full of nutrition (such as fibre) and are a much better choice when compared to processed carbs.
So carbs in bread....are not fiber carbs...and are not natural? Hmmmm.
No, bread isn't natural, it's man made and it's a refined carb (especially if it's white, whole grain is better for you and more nutritional). Bread is made from natural ingredients (wheat) so does have fiber in it, but it's a 'starchy' refined carb and nowhere near as nutritional as natural fiber carbs found in vegetables that grow naturally, such as broccoli.
So....ummmm...is it the chopping that makes wheat not a "natural fiber carb"? And...uh...what happens if you chop the tender broccoli florettes from the thick, inedible, gnarly, but surely naturally fibrous stalks?
[French Peasant scratches her head as she looks at a stand of wheat growing next to some broccoli plants in her garden.]
A bit off topic, but you're missing out if you don't eat the stalks
. They're the best part! You may have to trim the very outside off if you're not cooking them, but the steamed broccoli stalk is fabulous. I'm at the point where I get mad at the preponderance of stores only selling broccoli crowns.
There's a big ole sign right next to the broccoli stand at my fruit n veg store saying ""Do NOT remove the stalks,
if you do so you will be charged for broccoli crowns", which are far more expensive than the regular stalk broccoli.
Admittedly i have snapped the stalks off before putting the broccoli in the bag (what a scab i am), because it bugs me to pay for the bit i discard which is the heaviest part! But that sign scared me straight
Not just the paying more part, but being embarrassed and called out at the checkout. 2 -
rheddmobile wrote: »nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin
This is technically incorrect. If your body produces no insulin, as in type 1 diabetes, you will lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.
Which is the exact opposite of what I was saying and I was referring to someone with no medical condition....
Insulin is required for everyone, medical condition or not, and it does effect the way the body handles and stores calories. I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.3 -
Christine_72 wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »I would imagine that your nutritionist is referring to heavy/refined/processed carbs that don't have much nutrition, such as bread or pasta.
Carbs in fruits and vegetables are fine as they're natural - these are 'fiber' carbs and needed.
Just like sugar in a banana is natural when compared to sugar in sweets, natural carbs are full of nutrition (such as fibre) and are a much better choice when compared to processed carbs.
So carbs in bread....are not fiber carbs...and are not natural? Hmmmm.
No, bread isn't natural, it's man made and it's a refined carb (especially if it's white, whole grain is better for you and more nutritional). Bread is made from natural ingredients (wheat) so does have fiber in it, but it's a 'starchy' refined carb and nowhere near as nutritional as natural fiber carbs found in vegetables that grow naturally, such as broccoli.
So....ummmm...is it the chopping that makes wheat not a "natural fiber carb"? And...uh...what happens if you chop the tender broccoli florettes from the thick, inedible, gnarly, but surely naturally fibrous stalks?
[French Peasant scratches her head as she looks at a stand of wheat growing next to some broccoli plants in her garden.]
A bit off topic, but you're missing out if you don't eat the stalks. They're the best part! You may have to trim the very outside off if you're not cooking them, but the steamed broccoli stalk is fabulous. I'm at the point where I get mad at the preponderance of stores only selling broccoli crowns.
There's a big ole sign right next to the broccoli stand at my fruit n veg store saying ""Do NOT remove the stalks,
if you do so you will be charged for broccoli crowns", which are far more expensive than the regular stalk broccoli.
Admittedly i have snapped the stalks off before putting the broccoli in the bag (what a scab i am), because it bugs me to pay for the bit i discard which is the heaviest part! But that sign scared me straight Not just the paying more part, but being embarrassed and called out at the checkout.
Try cooking them! They have an entirely different flavor (to me) than the crown. Trim the very bottom off, and if you need to you can shave the sides with a vegetable peeler, but closer to the crown it's usually pretty tender. That way, no fear of shame OR waste
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Christine_72 wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »I would imagine that your nutritionist is referring to heavy/refined/processed carbs that don't have much nutrition, such as bread or pasta.
Carbs in fruits and vegetables are fine as they're natural - these are 'fiber' carbs and needed.
Just like sugar in a banana is natural when compared to sugar in sweets, natural carbs are full of nutrition (such as fibre) and are a much better choice when compared to processed carbs.
So carbs in bread....are not fiber carbs...and are not natural? Hmmmm.
No, bread isn't natural, it's man made and it's a refined carb (especially if it's white, whole grain is better for you and more nutritional). Bread is made from natural ingredients (wheat) so does have fiber in it, but it's a 'starchy' refined carb and nowhere near as nutritional as natural fiber carbs found in vegetables that grow naturally, such as broccoli.
So....ummmm...is it the chopping that makes wheat not a "natural fiber carb"? And...uh...what happens if you chop the tender broccoli florettes from the thick, inedible, gnarly, but surely naturally fibrous stalks?
[French Peasant scratches her head as she looks at a stand of wheat growing next to some broccoli plants in her garden.]
A bit off topic, but you're missing out if you don't eat the stalks. They're the best part! You may have to trim the very outside off if you're not cooking them, but the steamed broccoli stalk is fabulous. I'm at the point where I get mad at the preponderance of stores only selling broccoli crowns.
There's a big ole sign right next to the broccoli stand at my fruit n veg store saying ""Do NOT remove the stalks,
if you do so you will be charged for broccoli crowns", which are far more expensive than the regular stalk broccoli.
Admittedly i have snapped the stalks off before putting the broccoli in the bag (what a scab i am), because it bugs me to pay for the bit i discard which is the heaviest part! But that sign scared me straight Not just the paying more part, but being embarrassed and called out at the checkout.
Try cooking them! They have an entirely different flavor (to me) than the crown. Trim the very bottom off, and if you need to you can shave the sides with a vegetable peeler, but closer to the crown it's usually pretty tender. That way, no fear of shame OR waste
I am definitely going to try this next time
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rheddmobile wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin
This is technically incorrect. If your body produces no insulin, as in type 1 diabetes, you will lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.
Which is the exact opposite of what I was saying and I was referring to someone with no medical condition....
Insulin is required for everyone, medical condition or not, and it does effect the way the body handles and stores calories. I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.
Links to said studies...5 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »nokanjaijo wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »emmaellery1989 wrote: »Ok sorry everyone let me explain myself a bit better. I wrote this in a hurry!
Just to make you all aware the title was meant to be ironic. I apologise!
My original discussion with my nutritionist was that a low carb diet was generally avoiding things like white bread and potatoes. (This is a very very vague explanation as we went through many different things!)
But then when I got on here everything I logged was coming up as carbs. So when we looked at my results at the end of each day my diet said I lived on carbs!!
I haven't seen her since then because I'm waiting for an appointment. And before you all attack her she has been brilliant and helped me a lot. I just can't get enough appointments so have to work it out myself a bit in between.
Does this make more sense to anyone?
(Basically I'm avoiding what I've been told to avoid, but my stats are saying I'm living on carbs.)
To the bolded, most foods will have at least some carbs in them (as has been explained well already), but if everything you're logging is coming up as only containing carbs and no fat or protein, then I'd check the entries you're using and be sure the macros on them are correct. There are a ton of erroneous entries in the database and I suppose it's possible you're finding all of them when you log. Opening your diary so that we can see it might help if you want some extra eyeballs helping you check for inaccurate entries.
@emmaellery1989 please change your Diary Sharing settings to Public: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/diary_settings
Considering that you've sort of become a little scrap of talking point that the carb and no-carb people are fighting over, I'd hold off on going public with your diary, @emmaellery1989. That's just MHO.
Pretending like people would be rude about OP's diary is uncalled for and unhelpful.
The squabbling in the thread isn't really about OP at all, but because some people gave inaccurate information which others rebutted.
I don't particularly think OP needs to share her diary, but it would help clarify whether she is choosing inaccurate entries, has a confused idea of how many carbs come from just vegetables (if she was expecting very low carb numbers and sees 30% carbs as, say, high, that could explain the issue), or is not choosing enough foods to meet her fat and protein goals. But as I said before, I'd ask for an explanation from the nutritionist or, ideally, spend time talking through her diet issues with an RD.
You were just rude to me by suggesting my opinion is somehoe pretense. That only compnvinces me further that the atmosphere here is not conducive to OP opening her diary up for scrutiny.
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rheddmobile wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin
This is technically incorrect. If your body produces no insulin, as in type 1 diabetes, you will lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.
Which is the exact opposite of what I was saying and I was referring to someone with no medical condition....
Insulin is required for everyone, medical condition or not, and it does effect the way the body handles and stores calories. I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.
You also moved the goal posts from "type 1 diabetes " to "insulin is required for everyone"8 -
nokanjaijo wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »nokanjaijo wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »emmaellery1989 wrote: »Ok sorry everyone let me explain myself a bit better. I wrote this in a hurry!
Just to make you all aware the title was meant to be ironic. I apologise!
My original discussion with my nutritionist was that a low carb diet was generally avoiding things like white bread and potatoes. (This is a very very vague explanation as we went through many different things!)
But then when I got on here everything I logged was coming up as carbs. So when we looked at my results at the end of each day my diet said I lived on carbs!!
I haven't seen her since then because I'm waiting for an appointment. And before you all attack her she has been brilliant and helped me a lot. I just can't get enough appointments so have to work it out myself a bit in between.
Does this make more sense to anyone?
(Basically I'm avoiding what I've been told to avoid, but my stats are saying I'm living on carbs.)
To the bolded, most foods will have at least some carbs in them (as has been explained well already), but if everything you're logging is coming up as only containing carbs and no fat or protein, then I'd check the entries you're using and be sure the macros on them are correct. There are a ton of erroneous entries in the database and I suppose it's possible you're finding all of them when you log. Opening your diary so that we can see it might help if you want some extra eyeballs helping you check for inaccurate entries.
@emmaellery1989 please change your Diary Sharing settings to Public: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/diary_settings
Considering that you've sort of become a little scrap of talking point that the carb and no-carb people are fighting over, I'd hold off on going public with your diary, @emmaellery1989. That's just MHO.
Pretending like people would be rude about OP's diary is uncalled for and unhelpful.
The squabbling in the thread isn't really about OP at all, but because some people gave inaccurate information which others rebutted.
I don't particularly think OP needs to share her diary, but it would help clarify whether she is choosing inaccurate entries, has a confused idea of how many carbs come from just vegetables (if she was expecting very low carb numbers and sees 30% carbs as, say, high, that could explain the issue), or is not choosing enough foods to meet her fat and protein goals. But as I said before, I'd ask for an explanation from the nutritionist or, ideally, spend time talking through her diet issues with an RD.
You were just rude to me by suggesting my opinion is somehoe pretense. That only compnvinces me further that the atmosphere here is not conducive to OP opening her diary up for scrutiny.
Please copy and paste a thread here to show us when an op was asked to open her diary for helpful suggestion and in turn was treated with disrespect.6 -
nokanjaijo wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »nokanjaijo wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »emmaellery1989 wrote: »Ok sorry everyone let me explain myself a bit better. I wrote this in a hurry!
Just to make you all aware the title was meant to be ironic. I apologise!
My original discussion with my nutritionist was that a low carb diet was generally avoiding things like white bread and potatoes. (This is a very very vague explanation as we went through many different things!)
But then when I got on here everything I logged was coming up as carbs. So when we looked at my results at the end of each day my diet said I lived on carbs!!
I haven't seen her since then because I'm waiting for an appointment. And before you all attack her she has been brilliant and helped me a lot. I just can't get enough appointments so have to work it out myself a bit in between.
Does this make more sense to anyone?
(Basically I'm avoiding what I've been told to avoid, but my stats are saying I'm living on carbs.)
To the bolded, most foods will have at least some carbs in them (as has been explained well already), but if everything you're logging is coming up as only containing carbs and no fat or protein, then I'd check the entries you're using and be sure the macros on them are correct. There are a ton of erroneous entries in the database and I suppose it's possible you're finding all of them when you log. Opening your diary so that we can see it might help if you want some extra eyeballs helping you check for inaccurate entries.
@emmaellery1989 please change your Diary Sharing settings to Public: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/diary_settings
Considering that you've sort of become a little scrap of talking point that the carb and no-carb people are fighting over, I'd hold off on going public with your diary, @emmaellery1989. That's just MHO.
Pretending like people would be rude about OP's diary is uncalled for and unhelpful.
The squabbling in the thread isn't really about OP at all, but because some people gave inaccurate information which others rebutted.
I don't particularly think OP needs to share her diary, but it would help clarify whether she is choosing inaccurate entries, has a confused idea of how many carbs come from just vegetables (if she was expecting very low carb numbers and sees 30% carbs as, say, high, that could explain the issue), or is not choosing enough foods to meet her fat and protein goals. But as I said before, I'd ask for an explanation from the nutritionist or, ideally, spend time talking through her diet issues with an RD.
You were just rude to me by suggesting my opinion is somehoe pretense. That only compnvinces me further that the atmosphere here is not conducive to OP opening her diary up for scrutiny.
Please copy and paste a thread here to show us when an op was asked to open her diary for helpful suggestion and in turn was treated with disrespect.
I did not say anybody would be rude or disrespectful. It's not my fear.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »tinkerbellang83 wrote: »Wow, some of these points scrutinising everything I say for no reason really...
I'm not saying to cut out bread and pasta - I eat both - I'm answering the first question asking what the nutritionist meant by carbs. It's obvious she didn't mean vegetables.
How is it obvious that's what her nutritionist meant? Surely her nutritionist should know what her client is regularly consuming and shouldn't just blanket state she is eating too many carbs without reviewing what it is that she is actually eating. OP has stated she mostly eats meat, fish, fruit, veg and nuts, no mention of over-indulging in bread and pasta.
I really didn't mean to offend anyone, I'm simply making the point that complex carbs are not the same as simple carbs; no low carb diets (that I know of) cut out vegetables, but almost all cut down on pasta and white bread.
100g of bread is generally considered worse for you than 100g of broccoli in general nutrition & calories.
However, you're right - if she's only eating those foods and the nutritionist wasn't referring to refined carbs, she needs to sack the nutritionist immediately.
Psst . . . bread and pasta are are complex carbohydrates.
Bread can come in two forms: white, refined-flour bread, with mostly simple carbohydrates, and whole-grain bread, with mostly complex carbohydrates
I don't know how to tell you this... but white flour is still a complex carb. On the other hand an apple? Lots and lots of simple carbs.6 -
Spot on Sijomial it also creates a change in the bodies metabolism.
Low carb diets make the body utilise fats as the main energy source. Hence low carb calorie restricted diets result in faster fat loss. HOWEVER Once you re-introduce carbs, you'll find you likely gain weight back on quicker as carbs are easier to metabolise than fats and the extra cheese you've been cramming becomes your new fat storage... Bad times...
Good for a quick burn, but not an ideal resolution long term as chocolate etc will come calling again one day.
Um no...........
When you don't ingest carb calories, you are ingesting protein and fat calories. When you eat low carb - your energy sources are ingested protein, ingested fat, and stored fat.
If I'm eating a reduced calorie diet (CICO)....my energy sources are ingested carbs, ingested protein, ingested fat, and stored fat. I'm not storing fat when I am eating less than my TDEE.
Weight regain is more likely due to glycogen stores. Your body "wrings out" glycogen stores (low carb flu) when you start eating low carb, it replenishes those stores when you go back to regular eating habits.
Again you are not storing fat when you are not eating more than your TDEE.
Eat low carb because you have medical issues, or because you enjoy it, not because it is "faster fat loss"....because it's not.
It's proven it is faster fat loss.
https://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/
It's proven it's not. And I have an actual study instead of an article talking about them.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2627805217 -
rheddmobile wrote: »nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin
This is technically incorrect. If your body produces no insulin, as in type 1 diabetes, you will lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.
Freely quoting wikipedia: "Particularly in type 1 diabetics the lack of insulin in the bloodstream prevents glucose absorption, thereby inhibiting the production of oxaloacetate (a crucial molecule for processing Acetyl-CoA, the product of beta-oxidation of fatty acids, in the Krebs cycle) through reduced levels of pyruvate (a byproduct of glycolysis), and can cause unchecked ketone body production (through fatty acid metabolism) potentially leading to dangerous glucose and ketone levels in the blood."
It's basically a deadly cycle of "oh, brain needs glucose and it's not getting any (because no insulin but your body doesn't know that), better make more glucose. Oh I'm making a lot of glucose so I can't break down this fat, better make ketones." It's a malfunction as the calories can't actually be used and your body just keeps pouring them into your bloodstream anyway.4 -
rheddmobile wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin
This is technically incorrect. If your body produces no insulin, as in type 1 diabetes, you will lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.
Which is the exact opposite of what I was saying and I was referring to someone with no medical condition....
Insulin is required for everyone, medical condition or not, and it does effect the way the body handles and stores calories. I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.
Links to said studies...
Without insulin you wouldn't be able to store fat. It's a pretty basic understanding of how the human body works...5 -
Christine_72 wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »I would imagine that your nutritionist is referring to heavy/refined/processed carbs that don't have much nutrition, such as bread or pasta.
Carbs in fruits and vegetables are fine as they're natural - these are 'fiber' carbs and needed.
Just like sugar in a banana is natural when compared to sugar in sweets, natural carbs are full of nutrition (such as fibre) and are a much better choice when compared to processed carbs.
So carbs in bread....are not fiber carbs...and are not natural? Hmmmm.
No, bread isn't natural, it's man made and it's a refined carb (especially if it's white, whole grain is better for you and more nutritional). Bread is made from natural ingredients (wheat) so does have fiber in it, but it's a 'starchy' refined carb and nowhere near as nutritional as natural fiber carbs found in vegetables that grow naturally, such as broccoli.
So....ummmm...is it the chopping that makes wheat not a "natural fiber carb"? And...uh...what happens if you chop the tender broccoli florettes from the thick, inedible, gnarly, but surely naturally fibrous stalks?
[French Peasant scratches her head as she looks at a stand of wheat growing next to some broccoli plants in her garden.]
A bit off topic, but you're missing out if you don't eat the stalks. They're the best part! You may have to trim the very outside off if you're not cooking them, but the steamed broccoli stalk is fabulous. I'm at the point where I get mad at the preponderance of stores only selling broccoli crowns.
There's a big ole sign right next to the broccoli stand at my fruit n veg store saying ""Do NOT remove the stalks,
if you do so you will be charged for broccoli crowns", which are far more expensive than the regular stalk broccoli.
Admittedly i have snapped the stalks off before putting the broccoli in the bag (what a scab i am), because it bugs me to pay for the bit i discard which is the heaviest part! But that sign scared me straight Not just the paying more part, but being embarrassed and called out at the checkout.
I was finally reading my spiralizer cookbook and it tells how to spiralize broccoli stalks - one of these days I'm going to try it!3 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »I would imagine that your nutritionist is referring to heavy/refined/processed carbs that don't have much nutrition, such as bread or pasta.
Carbs in fruits and vegetables are fine as they're natural - these are 'fiber' carbs and needed.
Just like sugar in a banana is natural when compared to sugar in sweets, natural carbs are full of nutrition (such as fibre) and are a much better choice when compared to processed carbs.
So carbs in bread....are not fiber carbs...and are not natural? Hmmmm.
No, bread isn't natural, it's man made and it's a refined carb (especially if it's white, whole grain is better for you and more nutritional). Bread is made from natural ingredients (wheat) so does have fiber in it, but it's a 'starchy' refined carb and nowhere near as nutritional as natural fiber carbs found in vegetables that grow naturally, such as broccoli.
So....ummmm...is it the chopping that makes wheat not a "natural fiber carb"? And...uh...what happens if you chop the tender broccoli florettes from the thick, inedible, gnarly, but surely naturally fibrous stalks?
[French Peasant scratches her head as she looks at a stand of wheat growing next to some broccoli plants in her garden.]
A bit off topic, but you're missing out if you don't eat the stalks. They're the best part! You may have to trim the very outside off if you're not cooking them, but the steamed broccoli stalk is fabulous. I'm at the point where I get mad at the preponderance of stores only selling broccoli crowns.
There's a big ole sign right next to the broccoli stand at my fruit n veg store saying ""Do NOT remove the stalks,
if you do so you will be charged for broccoli crowns", which are far more expensive than the regular stalk broccoli.
Admittedly i have snapped the stalks off before putting the broccoli in the bag (what a scab i am), because it bugs me to pay for the bit i discard which is the heaviest part! But that sign scared me straight Not just the paying more part, but being embarrassed and called out at the checkout.
Try cooking them! They have an entirely different flavor (to me) than the crown. Trim the very bottom off, and if you need to you can shave the sides with a vegetable peeler, but closer to the crown it's usually pretty tender. That way, no fear of shame OR waste
I am definitely going to try this next time
They are also very good in soups!1 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin
This is technically incorrect. If your body produces no insulin, as in type 1 diabetes, you will lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.
Which is the exact opposite of what I was saying and I was referring to someone with no medical condition....
Insulin is required for everyone, medical condition or not, and it does effect the way the body handles and stores calories. I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.
Links to said studies...
Without insulin you wouldn't be able to store fat. It's a pretty basic understanding of how the human body works...
That is false.6 -
stevencloser wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »nefudaboss wrote: »Carbs, non essential macro nutrient aka sugar, glucose, hydrogen, carbon, oxygen... the trigger for insulin (fat storage hormone) also known for lowering cortisol (stress) and raising leptin ( tells brain your full and to burn fat)
Low carb is messed up unless you go keto (high fat) with it, cause Itll make you cranky and argumentive
Excess calories result in fat storage, not insulin
This is technically incorrect. If your body produces no insulin, as in type 1 diabetes, you will lose weight no matter how many calories you consume.
Which is the exact opposite of what I was saying and I was referring to someone with no medical condition....
Insulin is required for everyone, medical condition or not, and it does effect the way the body handles and stores calories. I know this won't get heard on this particular forum, but multiple studies have found that the same exact calories don't always result in the same amount of fat gain. The body is a complicated machine.
Links to said studies...
Without insulin you wouldn't be able to store fat. It's a pretty basic understanding of how the human body works...
That is false.
Based off what?
How would your body store fat without insulin, please explain.3 -
Christine_72 wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »I would imagine that your nutritionist is referring to heavy/refined/processed carbs that don't have much nutrition, such as bread or pasta.
Carbs in fruits and vegetables are fine as they're natural - these are 'fiber' carbs and needed.
Just like sugar in a banana is natural when compared to sugar in sweets, natural carbs are full of nutrition (such as fibre) and are a much better choice when compared to processed carbs.
So carbs in bread....are not fiber carbs...and are not natural? Hmmmm.
No, bread isn't natural, it's man made and it's a refined carb (especially if it's white, whole grain is better for you and more nutritional). Bread is made from natural ingredients (wheat) so does have fiber in it, but it's a 'starchy' refined carb and nowhere near as nutritional as natural fiber carbs found in vegetables that grow naturally, such as broccoli.
So....ummmm...is it the chopping that makes wheat not a "natural fiber carb"? And...uh...what happens if you chop the tender broccoli florettes from the thick, inedible, gnarly, but surely naturally fibrous stalks?
[French Peasant scratches her head as she looks at a stand of wheat growing next to some broccoli plants in her garden.]
A bit off topic, but you're missing out if you don't eat the stalks. They're the best part! You may have to trim the very outside off if you're not cooking them, but the steamed broccoli stalk is fabulous. I'm at the point where I get mad at the preponderance of stores only selling broccoli crowns.
There's a big ole sign right next to the broccoli stand at my fruit n veg store saying ""Do NOT remove the stalks,
if you do so you will be charged for broccoli crowns", which are far more expensive than the regular stalk broccoli.
Admittedly i have snapped the stalks off before putting the broccoli in the bag (what a scab i am), because it bugs me to pay for the bit i discard which is the heaviest part! But that sign scared me straight Not just the paying more part, but being embarrassed and called out at the checkout.
I was finally reading my spiralizer cookbook and it tells how to spiralize broccoli stalks - one of these days I'm going to try it!
I do this, they're a lot less soggy than zucchini when cooked, and are great blanched and in a salad.2
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