Stiff Legged Deadlifts/RDL's work hamstrings?
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »It's a glute exercise
Please go do some research. There are lots of EMG studies out there for SLDL and RDL showing that the muscles are activated. At this point you're either a troll or you are stubborn and nothing we say will change your mind. I leave you with two studies.
http://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/Citation/2015/01000/Regional_Differences_in_Muscle_Activation_During.20.aspx
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/241497487 -
Quick question, if your hammies aren't activated, what exactly is getting you standing upright?4
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Dude, if you're an actual "trainer" with an actual "certification" you SHOULD know that ECCENTRIC contraction is a contraction and is more responsible for muscle hypertrophy than a CONCENTRIC contraction. Might want to go brush up on your kinesiology if you actually took the course.RAD_Fitness wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »What do you think it is?
Think about the movement.
There is no contraction in your hamstring through the movement. Your hamstring is being stretched, it's not contracting. Literally the opposite of what a contraction would be.
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Just in case OP says to Google it like always:
Eccentric contractions are currently a very popular area of study for three main reasons: First, much of a muscle's normal activity occurs while it is actively lengthening, so that eccentric contractions are physiologically common (Goslow et al. 1973; Hoffer et al. 1989) Second, muscle injury and soreness are selectively associated with eccentric contraction (Figure 2, Fridén et al. 1984; Evans et al. 1985; Fridén and Lieber, 1992). Finally, muscle strengthening may be greatest using exercises that involve eccentric contractions. Therefore, there are some very fundamental structure-function questions that can be addressed using the eccentric contraction model and eccentric contractions have very important applications therapeutically to strengthen muscle.
http://muscle.ucsd.edu/musIntro/contractions.shtml
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »What do you think it is?
Think about the movement.
There is no contraction in your hamstring through the movement. Your hamstring is being stretched, it's not contracting. Literally the opposite of what a contraction would be.
your hams should be fully activated for this movement. how do you think the bar gets up? its a hamstring and glute movement
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Dude, if you're an actual "trainer" with an actual "certification" you SHOULD know that ECCENTRIC contraction is a contraction and is more responsible for muscle hypertrophy than a CONCENTRIC contraction. Might want to go brush up on your kinesiology if you actually took the course.RAD_Fitness wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »What do you think it is?
Think about the movement.
There is no contraction in your hamstring through the movement. Your hamstring is being stretched, it's not contracting. Literally the opposite of what a contraction would be.
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He should use this as a humble learning experience. Be a man and come back and admit he was incorrect and say thank you for informing him correctly.TresaAswegan wrote: »
Dude, if you're an actual "trainer" with an actual "certification" you SHOULD know that ECCENTRIC contraction is a contraction and is more responsible for muscle hypertrophy than a CONCENTRIC contraction. Might want to go brush up on your kinesiology if you actually took the course.RAD_Fitness wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »What do you think it is?
Think about the movement.
There is no contraction in your hamstring through the movement. Your hamstring is being stretched, it's not contracting. Literally the opposite of what a contraction would be.
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He should use this as a humble learning experience. Be a man and come back and admit he was incorrect and say thank you for informing him correctly.TresaAswegan wrote: »
Dude, if you're an actual "trainer" with an actual "certification" you SHOULD know that ECCENTRIC contraction is a contraction and is more responsible for muscle hypertrophy than a CONCENTRIC contraction. Might want to go brush up on your kinesiology if you actually took the course.RAD_Fitness wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »What do you think it is?
Think about the movement.
There is no contraction in your hamstring through the movement. Your hamstring is being stretched, it's not contracting. Literally the opposite of what a contraction would be.
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Firstly, it has nothing to do about being a man.
I stand by my statement that it is a glute dominant exercise, followed by low back and hamstring. You get significantly more hamstring activation through a glute bridge, hip thrust when your torso is in a stationary position and your heels are dug in.
If you're doing your RDL's with your toes elevated, you are about to get more of a pulling motion to use your hamstrings.
I'm actually doing RDL's today, probably gonna go 4-5x10 with 315, maybe I shall post a video and have my form critiqued for everyone convinced I am "doing it wrong" because I am arguing it to be a glute exercise rather than a hamstring exercise.6 -
He should use this as a humble learning experience. Be a man and come back and admit he was incorrect and say thank you for informing him correctly.TresaAswegan wrote: »
Dude, if you're an actual "trainer" with an actual "certification" you SHOULD know that ECCENTRIC contraction is a contraction and is more responsible for muscle hypertrophy than a CONCENTRIC contraction. Might want to go brush up on your kinesiology if you actually took the course.RAD_Fitness wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »What do you think it is?
Think about the movement.
There is no contraction in your hamstring through the movement. Your hamstring is being stretched, it's not contracting. Literally the opposite of what a contraction would be.
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He should but, based on his history, he won't. He's been proven wrong and schooled multiple times but never comes back and owns it like an adult.3 -
He should use this as a humble learning experience. Be a man and come back and admit he was incorrect and say thank you for informing him correctly.TresaAswegan wrote: »
Dude, if you're an actual "trainer" with an actual "certification" you SHOULD know that ECCENTRIC contraction is a contraction and is more responsible for muscle hypertrophy than a CONCENTRIC contraction. Might want to go brush up on your kinesiology if you actually took the course.RAD_Fitness wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »What do you think it is?
Think about the movement.
There is no contraction in your hamstring through the movement. Your hamstring is being stretched, it's not contracting. Literally the opposite of what a contraction would be.
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He should but, based on his history, he won't. He's been proven wrong and schooled multiple times but never comes back and owns it like an adult.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, because we posted around the same time.
Zero patience here... People have lives outside of MFP.....3 -
Lol, dude I don't need either your patience or your benefit of the doubt. And your video won't prove anything. Reread niner's posts above.3
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »I'm actually doing RDL's today, probably gonna go 4-5x10 with 315, maybe I shall post a video and have my form critiqued for everyone convinced I am "doing it wrong" because I am arguing it to be a glute exercise rather than a hamstring exercise.
So you started this thread to argue with people who literally had no beef with you and basically agree with you that it's a compound exercise?
Riiight.
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »
He should use this as a humble learning experience. Be a man and come back and admit he was incorrect and say thank you for informing him correctly.TresaAswegan wrote: »
Dude, if you're an actual "trainer" with an actual "certification" you SHOULD know that ECCENTRIC contraction is a contraction and is more responsible for muscle hypertrophy than a CONCENTRIC contraction. Might want to go brush up on your kinesiology if you actually took the course.RAD_Fitness wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »What do you think it is?
Think about the movement.
There is no contraction in your hamstring through the movement. Your hamstring is being stretched, it's not contracting. Literally the opposite of what a contraction would be.
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He should but, based on his history, he won't. He's been proven wrong and schooled multiple times but never comes back and owns it like an adult.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, because we posted around the same time.
Zero patience here... People have lives outside of MFP.....
I dunno, you swerve questions a lot but go posting in other places. This isn't patience, just observation.
You're trying to maintain that you're correct and have gone from insisting there's no hamstring activation to very little. Which one is it?
To quote you:RAD_Fitness wrote: »It's a glute exercise
It's okay to learn something. Ninerbuff has provided that information for you. I don't know why you're so resistant to broadening your scope of education and knowledge.7 -
VintageFeline wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »
He should use this as a humble learning experience. Be a man and come back and admit he was incorrect and say thank you for informing him correctly.TresaAswegan wrote: »
Dude, if you're an actual "trainer" with an actual "certification" you SHOULD know that ECCENTRIC contraction is a contraction and is more responsible for muscle hypertrophy than a CONCENTRIC contraction. Might want to go brush up on your kinesiology if you actually took the course.RAD_Fitness wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »What do you think it is?
Think about the movement.
There is no contraction in your hamstring through the movement. Your hamstring is being stretched, it's not contracting. Literally the opposite of what a contraction would be.
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He should but, based on his history, he won't. He's been proven wrong and schooled multiple times but never comes back and owns it like an adult.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, because we posted around the same time.
Zero patience here... People have lives outside of MFP.....
I dunno, you swerve questions a lot but go posting in other places. This isn't patience, just observation.
You're trying to maintain that you're correct and have gone from insisting there's no hamstring activation to very little. Which one is it?
To quote you:RAD_Fitness wrote: »It's a glute exercise
It's okay to learn something. Ninerbuff has provided that information for you. I don't know why you're so resistant to broadening your scope of education and knowledge.
Swerve questions or stop arguing because the conversation is going around in circles?3 -
Sometime the argument goes in circles because you seem to have an inability to consider new information presented and alter an inaccurate position. This thread is a prime example of that.7
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »
He should use this as a humble learning experience. Be a man and come back and admit he was incorrect and say thank you for informing him correctly.TresaAswegan wrote: »
Dude, if you're an actual "trainer" with an actual "certification" you SHOULD know that ECCENTRIC contraction is a contraction and is more responsible for muscle hypertrophy than a CONCENTRIC contraction. Might want to go brush up on your kinesiology if you actually took the course.RAD_Fitness wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »What do you think it is?
Think about the movement.
There is no contraction in your hamstring through the movement. Your hamstring is being stretched, it's not contracting. Literally the opposite of what a contraction would be.
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He should but, based on his history, he won't. He's been proven wrong and schooled multiple times but never comes back and owns it like an adult.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, because we posted around the same time.
Zero patience here... People have lives outside of MFP.....
I dunno, you swerve questions a lot but go posting in other places. This isn't patience, just observation.
You're trying to maintain that you're correct and have gone from insisting there's no hamstring activation to very little. Which one is it?
To quote you:RAD_Fitness wrote: »It's a glute exercise
It's okay to learn something. Ninerbuff has provided that information for you. I don't know why you're so resistant to broadening your scope of education and knowledge.
Swerve questions or stop arguing because the conversation is going around in circles?
Not to derail but there was one discussion where I asked something that had never been discussed. In fact, I posed the scenario 3 or 4 times.1 -
VintageFeline wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »
He should use this as a humble learning experience. Be a man and come back and admit he was incorrect and say thank you for informing him correctly.TresaAswegan wrote: »
Dude, if you're an actual "trainer" with an actual "certification" you SHOULD know that ECCENTRIC contraction is a contraction and is more responsible for muscle hypertrophy than a CONCENTRIC contraction. Might want to go brush up on your kinesiology if you actually took the course.RAD_Fitness wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »What do you think it is?
Think about the movement.
There is no contraction in your hamstring through the movement. Your hamstring is being stretched, it's not contracting. Literally the opposite of what a contraction would be.
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My thoughts exactly....
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He should but, based on his history, he won't. He's been proven wrong and schooled multiple times but never comes back and owns it like an adult.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, because we posted around the same time.
Zero patience here... People have lives outside of MFP.....
I dunno, you swerve questions a lot but go posting in other places. This isn't patience, just observation.
You're trying to maintain that you're correct and have gone from insisting there's no hamstring activation to very little. Which one is it?
To quote you:RAD_Fitness wrote: »It's a glute exercise
It's okay to learn something. Ninerbuff has provided that information for you. I don't know why you're so resistant to broadening your scope of education and knowledge.
Swerve questions or stop arguing because the conversation is going around in circles?
Not to derail but there was one discussion where I asked something that had never been discussed. In fact, I posed the scenario 3 or 4 times.
Yes I remember, you wanted me to answer the question so that you could try and then make a point that hormones didn't impact how I would respond to someone trying to lose weight. Which has nothing to do with the impact hormones play on your body. Just because a client won't be actively tracking their hormone levels on a frequent basis, doesn't mean that they don't have a huge impact on their body.2 -
VintageFeline wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »
He should use this as a humble learning experience. Be a man and come back and admit he was incorrect and say thank you for informing him correctly.TresaAswegan wrote: »
Dude, if you're an actual "trainer" with an actual "certification" you SHOULD know that ECCENTRIC contraction is a contraction and is more responsible for muscle hypertrophy than a CONCENTRIC contraction. Might want to go brush up on your kinesiology if you actually took the course.RAD_Fitness wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »What do you think it is?
Think about the movement.
There is no contraction in your hamstring through the movement. Your hamstring is being stretched, it's not contracting. Literally the opposite of what a contraction would be.
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He should but, based on his history, he won't. He's been proven wrong and schooled multiple times but never comes back and owns it like an adult.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, because we posted around the same time.
Zero patience here... People have lives outside of MFP.....
I dunno, you swerve questions a lot but go posting in other places. This isn't patience, just observation.
You're trying to maintain that you're correct and have gone from insisting there's no hamstring activation to very little. Which one is it?
To quote you:RAD_Fitness wrote: »It's a glute exercise
It's okay to learn something. Ninerbuff has provided that information for you. I don't know why you're so resistant to broadening your scope of education and knowledge.
Swerve questions or stop arguing because the conversation is going around in circles?
Not to derail but there was one discussion where I asked something that had never been discussed. In fact, I posed the scenario 3 or 4 times.
Aaaaand, he still dodged it!!
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Is the stiff legged deadlift where you keep your legs completely straight and hip hinge?
P.s I feel RDL's in my hamstrings more too!0 -
Sure it does. Don't DODGE a question and answer it. Admit that you were WRONG about "no contraction" in the hamstring. That was YOUR STATEMENT. It's incorrect. Now admit it. That's what a man does.RAD_Fitness wrote: »
He should use this as a humble learning experience. Be a man and come back and admit he was incorrect and say thank you for informing him correctly.TresaAswegan wrote: »
Dude, if you're an actual "trainer" with an actual "certification" you SHOULD know that ECCENTRIC contraction is a contraction and is more responsible for muscle hypertrophy than a CONCENTRIC contraction. Might want to go brush up on your kinesiology if you actually took the course.RAD_Fitness wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »What do you think it is?
Think about the movement.
There is no contraction in your hamstring through the movement. Your hamstring is being stretched, it's not contracting. Literally the opposite of what a contraction would be.
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My thoughts exactly....
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Firstly, it has nothing to do about being a man.
I stand by my statement that it is a glute dominant exercise, followed by low back and hamstring. You get significantly more hamstring activation through a glute bridge, hip thrust when your torso is in a stationary position and your heels are dug in.
If you're doing your RDL's with your toes elevated, you are about to get more of a pulling motion to use your hamstrings.
I'm actually doing RDL's today, probably gonna go 4-5x10 with 315, maybe I shall post a video and have my form critiqued for everyone convinced I am "doing it wrong" because I am arguing it to be a glute exercise rather than a hamstring exercise.
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