Stiff Legged Deadlifts/RDL's work hamstrings?
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Again, majoring in the minors. But it still points back to the fact that you ELUDE questions you really can't answer concisely. You're making it obvious that your knowledge in the field of physiology and kinesiology is pretty limited to just what you likely learned in the gym and not from actual study or education.RAD_Fitness wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »
He should use this as a humble learning experience. Be a man and come back and admit he was incorrect and say thank you for informing him correctly.TresaAswegan wrote: »
Dude, if you're an actual "trainer" with an actual "certification" you SHOULD know that ECCENTRIC contraction is a contraction and is more responsible for muscle hypertrophy than a CONCENTRIC contraction. Might want to go brush up on your kinesiology if you actually took the course.RAD_Fitness wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »What do you think it is?
Think about the movement.
There is no contraction in your hamstring through the movement. Your hamstring is being stretched, it's not contracting. Literally the opposite of what a contraction would be.
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He should but, based on his history, he won't. He's been proven wrong and schooled multiple times but never comes back and owns it like an adult.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, because we posted around the same time.
Zero patience here... People have lives outside of MFP.....
I dunno, you swerve questions a lot but go posting in other places. This isn't patience, just observation.
You're trying to maintain that you're correct and have gone from insisting there's no hamstring activation to very little. Which one is it?
To quote you:RAD_Fitness wrote: »It's a glute exercise
It's okay to learn something. Ninerbuff has provided that information for you. I don't know why you're so resistant to broadening your scope of education and knowledge.
Swerve questions or stop arguing because the conversation is going around in circles?
Not to derail but there was one discussion where I asked something that had never been discussed. In fact, I posed the scenario 3 or 4 times.
Yes I remember, you wanted me to answer the question so that you could try and then make a point that hormones didn't impact how I would respond to someone trying to lose weight. Which has nothing to do with the impact hormones play on your body. Just because a client won't be actively tracking their hormone levels on a frequent basis, doesn't mean that they don't have a huge impact on their body.
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »I stand by my statement that it is a glute dominant exercise, followed by low back and hamstring. You get significantly more hamstring activation through a glute bridge, hip thrust when your torso is in a stationary position and your heels are dug in.
If it's not a hamstring exercise.. then please explain why my hamstrings are screaming at me, but my glutes and lower back are like Meh...that was nothing. (yes, just did them yesterday)
Funny enough.. I did glute bridges today and they didn't even bother my hamstrings, which were already sore from my RDLs the day before.
I guess my body is smarter then you.
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Again, majoring in the minors. But it still points back to the fact that you ELUDE questions you really can't answer concisely. You're making it obvious that your knowledge in the field of physiology and kinesiology is pretty limited to just what you likely learned in the gym and not from actual study or education.RAD_Fitness wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »
He should use this as a humble learning experience. Be a man and come back and admit he was incorrect and say thank you for informing him correctly.TresaAswegan wrote: »
Dude, if you're an actual "trainer" with an actual "certification" you SHOULD know that ECCENTRIC contraction is a contraction and is more responsible for muscle hypertrophy than a CONCENTRIC contraction. Might want to go brush up on your kinesiology if you actually took the course.RAD_Fitness wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »What do you think it is?
Think about the movement.
There is no contraction in your hamstring through the movement. Your hamstring is being stretched, it's not contracting. Literally the opposite of what a contraction would be.
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My thoughts exactly....
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He should but, based on his history, he won't. He's been proven wrong and schooled multiple times but never comes back and owns it like an adult.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, because we posted around the same time.
Zero patience here... People have lives outside of MFP.....
I dunno, you swerve questions a lot but go posting in other places. This isn't patience, just observation.
You're trying to maintain that you're correct and have gone from insisting there's no hamstring activation to very little. Which one is it?
To quote you:RAD_Fitness wrote: »It's a glute exercise
It's okay to learn something. Ninerbuff has provided that information for you. I don't know why you're so resistant to broadening your scope of education and knowledge.
Swerve questions or stop arguing because the conversation is going around in circles?
Not to derail but there was one discussion where I asked something that had never been discussed. In fact, I posed the scenario 3 or 4 times.
Yes I remember, you wanted me to answer the question so that you could try and then make a point that hormones didn't impact how I would respond to someone trying to lose weight. Which has nothing to do with the impact hormones play on your body. Just because a client won't be actively tracking their hormone levels on a frequent basis, doesn't mean that they don't have a huge impact on their body.
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »
Again, majoring in the minors. But it still points back to the fact that you ELUDE questions you really can't answer concisely. You're making it obvious that your knowledge in the field of physiology and kinesiology is pretty limited to just what you likely learned in the gym and not from actual study or education.RAD_Fitness wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »
He should use this as a humble learning experience. Be a man and come back and admit he was incorrect and say thank you for informing him correctly.TresaAswegan wrote: »
Dude, if you're an actual "trainer" with an actual "certification" you SHOULD know that ECCENTRIC contraction is a contraction and is more responsible for muscle hypertrophy than a CONCENTRIC contraction. Might want to go brush up on your kinesiology if you actually took the course.RAD_Fitness wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »What do you think it is?
Think about the movement.
There is no contraction in your hamstring through the movement. Your hamstring is being stretched, it's not contracting. Literally the opposite of what a contraction would be.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
My thoughts exactly....
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
He should but, based on his history, he won't. He's been proven wrong and schooled multiple times but never comes back and owns it like an adult.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, because we posted around the same time.
Zero patience here... People have lives outside of MFP.....
I dunno, you swerve questions a lot but go posting in other places. This isn't patience, just observation.
You're trying to maintain that you're correct and have gone from insisting there's no hamstring activation to very little. Which one is it?
To quote you:RAD_Fitness wrote: »It's a glute exercise
It's okay to learn something. Ninerbuff has provided that information for you. I don't know why you're so resistant to broadening your scope of education and knowledge.
Swerve questions or stop arguing because the conversation is going around in circles?
Not to derail but there was one discussion where I asked something that had never been discussed. In fact, I posed the scenario 3 or 4 times.
Yes I remember, you wanted me to answer the question so that you could try and then make a point that hormones didn't impact how I would respond to someone trying to lose weight. Which has nothing to do with the impact hormones play on your body. Just because a client won't be actively tracking their hormone levels on a frequent basis, doesn't mean that they don't have a huge impact on their body.
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I don't feel the need to put my credentials as a signature in ever post I make, does that mean they don't exist?
Do you have credentials?8 -
Do you think the squat is a hamstring exercise?
This study I shared earlier says that SLDL has greater hamstring activation than squats do, but nearly identical activation as lying leg curls. It's from 2015 and from some really big names in exercise science.
http://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/Citation/2015/01000/Regional_Differences_in_Muscle_Activation_During.20.aspx3 -
There comes a time in our fitness journey where our prior knowledge is challenged with new information. At this point you have two options: you can say that you might need to do some more research into it because some good points were raised or you can dig your heels in. The first option lets you admit that you may not have had as much knowledge on the subject as you previously thought without fully admitting you were wrong, it's a way to semi save face. The second option makes you look like a lost cause and calls into question your actual knowledge on absolutely everything you will ever say again. All of us have assumed something wrong at some point, but only the best are willing to take a second look at the new information and adjust our stance.14
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »
Again, majoring in the minors. But it still points back to the fact that you ELUDE questions you really can't answer concisely. You're making it obvious that your knowledge in the field of physiology and kinesiology is pretty limited to just what you likely learned in the gym and not from actual study or education.RAD_Fitness wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »
He should use this as a humble learning experience. Be a man and come back and admit he was incorrect and say thank you for informing him correctly.TresaAswegan wrote: »
Dude, if you're an actual "trainer" with an actual "certification" you SHOULD know that ECCENTRIC contraction is a contraction and is more responsible for muscle hypertrophy than a CONCENTRIC contraction. Might want to go brush up on your kinesiology if you actually took the course.RAD_Fitness wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »What do you think it is?
Think about the movement.
There is no contraction in your hamstring through the movement. Your hamstring is being stretched, it's not contracting. Literally the opposite of what a contraction would be.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
My thoughts exactly....
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
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He should but, based on his history, he won't. He's been proven wrong and schooled multiple times but never comes back and owns it like an adult.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, because we posted around the same time.
Zero patience here... People have lives outside of MFP.....
I dunno, you swerve questions a lot but go posting in other places. This isn't patience, just observation.
You're trying to maintain that you're correct and have gone from insisting there's no hamstring activation to very little. Which one is it?
To quote you:RAD_Fitness wrote: »It's a glute exercise
It's okay to learn something. Ninerbuff has provided that information for you. I don't know why you're so resistant to broadening your scope of education and knowledge.
Swerve questions or stop arguing because the conversation is going around in circles?
Not to derail but there was one discussion where I asked something that had never been discussed. In fact, I posed the scenario 3 or 4 times.
Yes I remember, you wanted me to answer the question so that you could try and then make a point that hormones didn't impact how I would respond to someone trying to lose weight. Which has nothing to do with the impact hormones play on your body. Just because a client won't be actively tracking their hormone levels on a frequent basis, doesn't mean that they don't have a huge impact on their body.
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I don't feel the need to put my credentials as a signature in ever post I make, does that mean they don't exist?
Dude, you are laughable and never seem to address the fundamental issue that you don't really know what you are talking about and say dumb things regularly while never addressing the legitimate concerns raised by your posts. You have developed quite the reputation! Once again, you don't address the questions directly but deflect and avoid, A joke!11 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »
Again, majoring in the minors. But it still points back to the fact that you ELUDE questions you really can't answer concisely. You're making it obvious that your knowledge in the field of physiology and kinesiology is pretty limited to just what you likely learned in the gym and not from actual study or education.RAD_Fitness wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »
He should use this as a humble learning experience. Be a man and come back and admit he was incorrect and say thank you for informing him correctly.TresaAswegan wrote: »
Dude, if you're an actual "trainer" with an actual "certification" you SHOULD know that ECCENTRIC contraction is a contraction and is more responsible for muscle hypertrophy than a CONCENTRIC contraction. Might want to go brush up on your kinesiology if you actually took the course.RAD_Fitness wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »What do you think it is?
Think about the movement.
There is no contraction in your hamstring through the movement. Your hamstring is being stretched, it's not contracting. Literally the opposite of what a contraction would be.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
My thoughts exactly....
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
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He should but, based on his history, he won't. He's been proven wrong and schooled multiple times but never comes back and owns it like an adult.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, because we posted around the same time.
Zero patience here... People have lives outside of MFP.....
I dunno, you swerve questions a lot but go posting in other places. This isn't patience, just observation.
You're trying to maintain that you're correct and have gone from insisting there's no hamstring activation to very little. Which one is it?
To quote you:RAD_Fitness wrote: »It's a glute exercise
It's okay to learn something. Ninerbuff has provided that information for you. I don't know why you're so resistant to broadening your scope of education and knowledge.
Swerve questions or stop arguing because the conversation is going around in circles?
Not to derail but there was one discussion where I asked something that had never been discussed. In fact, I posed the scenario 3 or 4 times.
Yes I remember, you wanted me to answer the question so that you could try and then make a point that hormones didn't impact how I would respond to someone trying to lose weight. Which has nothing to do with the impact hormones play on your body. Just because a client won't be actively tracking their hormone levels on a frequent basis, doesn't mean that they don't have a huge impact on their body.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I don't feel the need to put my credentials as a signature in ever post I make, does that mean they don't exist?
Dude, you are laughable and never seem to address the fundamental issue that you don't really know what you are talking about and say dumb things regularly while never addressing the legitimate concerns raised by your posts. You have developed quite the reputation! Once again, you don't address the questions directly but deflect and avoid, A joke!
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Does a back-peddling bicycle work your hamstrings?
Asking for a friend.21 -
Let's put it this way: you'd be better off not mentioning that you actually have any. At least that way, no one will take you seriously.RAD_Fitness wrote: »
Again, majoring in the minors. But it still points back to the fact that you ELUDE questions you really can't answer concisely. You're making it obvious that your knowledge in the field of physiology and kinesiology is pretty limited to just what you likely learned in the gym and not from actual study or education.RAD_Fitness wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »
He should use this as a humble learning experience. Be a man and come back and admit he was incorrect and say thank you for informing him correctly.TresaAswegan wrote: »
Dude, if you're an actual "trainer" with an actual "certification" you SHOULD know that ECCENTRIC contraction is a contraction and is more responsible for muscle hypertrophy than a CONCENTRIC contraction. Might want to go brush up on your kinesiology if you actually took the course.RAD_Fitness wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »What do you think it is?
Think about the movement.
There is no contraction in your hamstring through the movement. Your hamstring is being stretched, it's not contracting. Literally the opposite of what a contraction would be.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
My thoughts exactly....
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
He should but, based on his history, he won't. He's been proven wrong and schooled multiple times but never comes back and owns it like an adult.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, because we posted around the same time.
Zero patience here... People have lives outside of MFP.....
I dunno, you swerve questions a lot but go posting in other places. This isn't patience, just observation.
You're trying to maintain that you're correct and have gone from insisting there's no hamstring activation to very little. Which one is it?
To quote you:RAD_Fitness wrote: »It's a glute exercise
It's okay to learn something. Ninerbuff has provided that information for you. I don't know why you're so resistant to broadening your scope of education and knowledge.
Swerve questions or stop arguing because the conversation is going around in circles?
Not to derail but there was one discussion where I asked something that had never been discussed. In fact, I posed the scenario 3 or 4 times.
Yes I remember, you wanted me to answer the question so that you could try and then make a point that hormones didn't impact how I would respond to someone trying to lose weight. Which has nothing to do with the impact hormones play on your body. Just because a client won't be actively tracking their hormone levels on a frequent basis, doesn't mean that they don't have a huge impact on their body.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I don't feel the need to put my credentials as a signature in ever post I make, does that mean they don't exist?
BTW, more eluding the point again as usual. Still can't be a man and admit you were incorrect on your statement of non contraction of the hamstrings? It's a yes or no question.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »Does a back-peddling bicycle work your hamstrings?
Asking for a friend.
Only if clipped in and pulling really hard on the pedals.
This is a freewheel style with gears talking about right, not a fixed - which wouldn't apply.2 -
Maybe check your form. As others have said, it definitely should be hitting the hammies.7
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Did them yesterday. Hammies hurt today. So, Imma believer...2
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I remember taking a break from lifting due to a bad flare of my PsA and easing back into it with Strong Curves bodyweight routine. You do RDLs with a stick in that. I still remember the hamstring DOMS even without any load from doing them. They're activated just from body mechanics and proper form.2
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I remember taking a break from lifting due to a bad flare of my PsA and easing back into it with Strong Curves bodyweight routine. You do RDLs with a stick in that. I still remember the hamstring DOMS even without any load from doing them. They're activated just from body mechanics and proper form.
The lowering myself onto the toilet whilst gripping the sink after too long off from squats and deads struggle is real.5 -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24149748
From the summary:
"This study investigated the relative muscle activity of the hamstring group and selected surrounding musculature during the leg curl, good morning, glute-ham raise, and Romanian deadlift (RDL)."
"hamstring activity was maximized in the RDL and glute-ham raise."
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VintageFeline wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I remember taking a break from lifting due to a bad flare of my PsA and easing back into it with Strong Curves bodyweight routine. You do RDLs with a stick in that. I still remember the hamstring DOMS even without any load from doing them. They're activated just from body mechanics and proper form.
The lowering myself onto the toilet whilst gripping the sink after too long off from squats and deads struggle is real.
that struggle is real! hover . . . hover . . . hover . . . DROP!1 -
jessiferrrb wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I remember taking a break from lifting due to a bad flare of my PsA and easing back into it with Strong Curves bodyweight routine. You do RDLs with a stick in that. I still remember the hamstring DOMS even without any load from doing them. They're activated just from body mechanics and proper form.
The lowering myself onto the toilet whilst gripping the sink after too long off from squats and deads struggle is real.
that struggle is real! hover . . . hover . . . hover . . . DROP!
...and then you're stuck there until you build up the courage to get up, knowing full well you'll just have to go through it all again later.
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Not to beat a dead horse here, but I was talking to my trainer about posterior chain activation today (contest prep stuff). I mentioned this debate since I was 100% certain that the hamstrings are well activated during RDL, but was actually skeptical about the amount of glute activation compared to hamstrings since I had heard that the American Deadlift was invented specifically to target glutes better.
Bret Contreras (The Glute Guy) of course had that covered. Thankfully he put the results in an easy to read table for a site to help cut through the scientific terms in the study.
https://www.t-nation.com/training/inside-the-muscles-best-leg-glute-and-calf-exercises9
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