Fasting never okay?
kindasortachewy
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I fully understand that my body 'detoxs' itself, I understand that not eating for 40 days and losing 40 pounds will only have me gaining 60 pounds in the month following, I understand how stupid fasting can be and that it can be dangerous..I know that posting on here about fasting will get you 100 memes about stupidity...
Yet, I always go back to the idea that I would like to try my hand at it. Not long term 3-10 days. NOT because I think it will "jumpstart" my weightloss or clean my liver. I feel like it would have to however help with cravings. My biggest issue admittedly is not knowing the difference between boredom and hunger.
Is fasting for a relatively short amount of time with no expectation of weightloss or detox still crazy?
I am talking water fasting but I suppose the question could be asked for juicing as well.
Yet, I always go back to the idea that I would like to try my hand at it. Not long term 3-10 days. NOT because I think it will "jumpstart" my weightloss or clean my liver. I feel like it would have to however help with cravings. My biggest issue admittedly is not knowing the difference between boredom and hunger.
Is fasting for a relatively short amount of time with no expectation of weightloss or detox still crazy?
I am talking water fasting but I suppose the question could be asked for juicing as well.
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i fast all day and just eat at night every day. but never longer than that.0
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Short fasts are fine, just don't expect them to lead to sustainable weight loss and it's no problem. Intermittent fasting is helpful to a lot of people because it helps them manage their food intake. It's all about personal preference.0
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I wouldn't fast Hun. You tend to find that if you do your body just stores what you do eat when you start eating again as fat. (speaking from experience that is - you may be luckier than me
). I have found since starting on here that I am like you, i feel bored and therefore think i am hungry. Try having some water (or even diluting juice) and leave it for half an hour. If you are still hungry then you are genuinely hungry. Sometimes your body also confuses thirst for hunger.
I dunno if this helps at all. Good luck honey. You know where I am if you need me xx0 -
If you're set on fasting, I would probably look into 5:2 intermittent fasting or something similar. 10 days is a long time to not eat.0
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Personally I wouldn't do it at all. Ever. It slows your metabolism and can lead to short and long-term damage.
I used to get horror cravings for my old favourites (sugary foods; starchy, empty carbs; soft drink; caffeine etc) if I didn't eat enough of the other stuff (protein, lower GI carbs and fat), or get enough sleep. Sometimes if I'm tired, or haven't eaten regularly I still get them, though it's rarer now. It takes a long time to get through it, but keep pushing through and your cravings will subside, provided you are filling your body with nutrient-dense food. My 'treats' or 'cravings' now consist of things like Quest bars (a protein bar that tastes so completely naughty but is as clean as can be! If you have a sweet tooth, and struggle with those cravings, look them up) sweet potato fries, popcorn and other things like that.0 -
Personally I wouldn't do it at all. Ever. It slows your metabolism and can lead to short and long-term damage.
I used to get horror cravings for my old favourites (sugary foods; starchy, empty carbs; soft drink; caffeine etc) if I didn't eat enough of the other stuff (protein, lower GI carbs and fat), or get enough sleep. Sometimes if I'm tired, or haven't eaten regularly I still get them, though it's rarer now. It takes a long time to get through it, but keep pushing through and your cravings will subside, provided you are filling your body with nutrient-dense food. My 'treats' or 'cravings' now consist of things like Quest bars (a protein bar that tastes so completely naughty but is as clean as can be! If you have a sweet tooth, and struggle with those cravings, look them up) sweet potato fries, popcorn and other things like that.
That's a vague statement. It takes at a MINIMUM 3 days of zero calorie intake for your metabolism to slow, before this time, your metabolism can actually speed up. If you are healthy, any fast no longer than 10 days is not going do cause any type of damage to your body. Please stop trying to scare people...0 -
Humm, feeling conflicted. I am not worried about my metabolism slowing down, I know that while starvation mode is real, it is not quick and sudden like people hear lead you to believe. I already do IF naturally, I work 12 hour shifts and I've never lifed eating when I wake up so I eat 5 hours into my workday for about 6 hours and then the rest of the night I'm full then I sleep and it ends up 18/6 naturally, but I did that before I was losing weight so my body is used to it0
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I fast all the time. I've always done it, not necessarily because I'm trying to lose weight, but sometimes that is why. I just feel better when I go without food for a while.
Right now I practice IF 16/8 or 18/6, meaning I don't eat anything for 18 hours and get all my calories over 6 hours a day.0 -
Personally I wouldn't do it at all. Ever. It slows your metabolism and can lead to short and long-term damage.
I used to get horror cravings for my old favourites (sugary foods; starchy, empty carbs; soft drink; caffeine etc) if I didn't eat enough of the other stuff (protein, lower GI carbs and fat), or get enough sleep. Sometimes if I'm tired, or haven't eaten regularly I still get them, though it's rarer now. It takes a long time to get through it, but keep pushing through and your cravings will subside, provided you are filling your body with nutrient-dense food. My 'treats' or 'cravings' now consist of things like Quest bars (a protein bar that tastes so completely naughty but is as clean as can be! If you have a sweet tooth, and struggle with those cravings, look them up) sweet potato fries, popcorn and other things like that.
I hate to break it to you, but protein bars are not "clean as can be." It is still highly processed chemical food replacement, and should not be eaten regularly. I use them on occassion, but they don't leave me feeling great. I prefer a dried fruit and nut trail mix if possible. Sometimes I just need the convenience of a protein bar, but I'm well aware that they are not natural foods.0 -
Try fasting for one day - if the idea of fasting appeals to you.
I've done a modified fast (500 cals) every other day since January and in my experience, there are some benefits.
Not the crazy detox ideas or anything like that and I'm not sure that it would usefully "jump start" a diet in any way.
But, I've found that enforcing short periods of fasting has helped me know that I do, absolutely, control my hunger and my eating. And this knowledge has been quite useful for me.0 -
Fasting is great! It does help me crave more healthy food and less junk food on non-fasting days, and I feel great on fasting days. There are some 5:2 groups here on MFP and with that approach, you are always only one day away from eating a normal amount of calories. I haven't ended up binging on non-fasting days either because I am full faster, although I did eat some high calorie foods at some parties recently but didn't worry about it because I was still in a good calorie range for the week. Read up about it, join the groups here, and try it!
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I think she meant that for a naughty treat they are cleaner than a chocolate bar or packet of crisps or something. Though to be honest I don't really understand what "clean" eating is. I don't deprive myself of anything at all. If i want it I will have ot as long as it fits into my calorie count for the day i don't see it as a problem. But that's just my personal habit I know everyone is different and has different things that work for them. I am relatively new to MFP and amy sort of eating / exercise plan so my eating habits will probably change. Least I hope so. x 0
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Personally I wouldn't do it at all. Ever. It slows your metabolism and can lead to short and long-term damage.
I used to get horror cravings for my old favourites (sugary foods; starchy, empty carbs; soft drink; caffeine etc) if I didn't eat enough of the other stuff (protein, lower GI carbs and fat), or get enough sleep. Sometimes if I'm tired, or haven't eaten regularly I still get them, though it's rarer now. It takes a long time to get through it, but keep pushing through and your cravings will subside, provided you are filling your body with nutrient-dense food. My 'treats' or 'cravings' now consist of things like Quest bars (a protein bar that tastes so completely naughty but is as clean as can be! If you have a sweet tooth, and struggle with those cravings, look them up) sweet potato fries, popcorn and other things like that.
I hate to break it to you, but protein bars are not "clean as can be." It is still highly processed chemical food replacement, and should not be eaten regularly. I use them on occassion, but they don't leave me feeling great. I prefer a dried fruit and nut trail mix if possible. Sometimes I just need the convenience of a protein bar, but I'm well aware that they are not natural foods.
Cleaner than a chocolate bar, which is full of sugar. Which is what I meant, sorry I am not doing well with the written communication at the moment! I am also well-aware they are not meant to be eaten regularly, hence the definition of 'treat'.0 -
I think fasting can be very good for you. I just watched a movie about eating lower calorie and how it can cause you to live longer. He also talked about the health benefits of intermittent fasting. I have heard that from other sources as well, so I think there are benefits to fasting and/or eating lower calorie than we typically eat. There are spiritual reasons to fast, too. Jesus said that his followers would fast. Too much would be bad but fasting in moderation can be very good for you physically and spiritually.0
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Fasting for as few as 12 hours may reduce your metabolism by as much as 42%.
If you think that gets you closer to your health goals, by all means, go for it.
Personally, I do everything I can to increase my metabolism, not reduce it. So this is an ABSOLUTE no-no for me.
In my opinion, I would advise against it.
-David / BootJockey
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Fasting for as few as 12 hours may reduce your metabolism by as much as 42%.
Do you have a source for that?
That seems like self-evident nonsense IMO.
Everyone fasts for 12+ hours: Eat dinner at 6pm, eat breakfast some time after 6am...0 -
*I* wouldn't, and I know that there are those who swear by the IF concept but I wouldn't want to follow that, but if you want to give it a try, then why not try it for a day or two and see how you feel?0
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My old chiropractor used to have me do a 3-day fast for my liver. Eating nothing for 3 days and drinking nothing but water and apple juice. Of course, if you eat healthier and limit the fatty foods and alcohol in your diet, you won't need to do this kind of fast. I wouldn't recommend it, but 3 days without food isn't going to hurt. You'll just be damn hungry.0
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If you want to read about the science for yourself rather than rely on those resolutely for or against fasting google Dr Michael Moseley.
He did a BBC programme on fasting, he was sceptical when he started. He looked at true fasting and modified fasting and was shocked at the results he found - and experienced for himself. He then went ahead and wrote the 5:2 book, complete with science references.
I will say up front that I went the JUDDD route myself, so I am biased. But JUDDD in google will get you more science and another version of fasting.0 -
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fer her durrr get it!0
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If you are interested in fasting then look up 5:2 fast diet. It involves eating pretty much what you want (within reason) for five days a week and restricting your calories to 500 (so it's not a complete fast)on two (non consecutive) days per week. I have been doing it for months and experiencing steady weightloss and feeling generally better in myself. Also, for five days a week there is no 'on a diet' feelings and you can have your treats guilt free. I am only sorry I never found this way of eating before. I discovered it after seeing a documentary called 'Eat, Fast and Live Longer' which is really interesting and well worth watching if you are interested in doing this. I intend to be an intermittent faster for the rest of my life- some weeks I will fast for 2 days and others only 1. For me being able to relax for five days and never have to feel like I have 'gone over' my calories just because I have a big dinner out or some sweet treats on a day where I haven't been 'saving up' calories for that special occasion is a great feeling. Oh and please don't believe anyone that tells you that your body will 'store fat' after a short period of fasting. That is a complete myth and very misleading. You may or may not enjoy intermittent fasting- it's a personal thing but don't be put off by people who have never done it telling you what it's like.
Whatever you decide- good luck! EDITED TO CORRECT NUMBER OF DAYS I FAST. 0 -
If you want to read about the science for yourself rather than rely on those resolutely for or against fasting google Dr Michael Moseley.
He did a BBC programme on fasting, he was sceptical when he started. He looked at true fasting and modified fasting and was shocked at the results he found - and experienced for himself. He then went ahead and wrote the 5:2 book, complete with science references.
I watched that. It was really interesting. I still wouldn't do it but I am all for supporting anybody who wants to 0 -
Fasting for as few as 12 hours may reduce your metabolism by as much as 42%.
Do you have a source for that?
That seems like self-evident nonsense IMO.
Everyone fasts for 12+ hours: Eat dinner at 6pm, eat breakfast some time after 6am...
Yep - I would like to see that as well as it's not correct.0 -
There is fasting and intermittent 5:2, which is a completely different concept.
I have been on the 5:2 IF diet since March 2013 and I can honestly say it is the ONLY diet plan that has ever worked for me (I am 63 years old and have tried a lot! Read Dr Michael Mosley's book. 5:2 dieting has took off in the UK big time, everyone you speak to and all the newspapers and magazines are talking about it.
It works and it fits into your life as after your low day 500 cals for women and 600 cals for men, you then eat normally (albeit carefully) the next day, so it never feels as if you are dieting and you don't think about food all the time.
Health benefits include lowering of blood pressure (just had mine taken last week and lowest for years) and improved cholesterol readings.0 -
Fasting for as few as 12 hours may reduce your metabolism by as much as 42%.
Do you have a source for that?
That seems like self-evident nonsense IMO.
Everyone fasts for 12+ hours: Eat dinner at 6pm, eat breakfast some time after 6am...
Yep - I would like to see that as well as it's not correct.
Source please?0 -
Eat, Fast and Live Longer is the Dr Moseley programme.
He did a really good job and people tend to think he 'invented' fasting - not a claim he would make and the programme show him talking to researchers who have looked at specific aspects of fasting - mainly in the US and some of their findings are just incredible.
If you can find a youtube or other site to see it on, I know it was blocked in the US but has probably leaked 'out there' by now, it is a really interesting programme.
But as I said, I am biased. It affirmed the decision I had made and meant that people who had continually expressed deep and meaningful concern for my mental health started asking me how to start IFing 0 -
Fasting for as few as 12 hours may reduce your metabolism by as much as 42%.
If you think that gets you closer to your health goals, by all means, go for it.
Personally, I do everything I can to increase my metabolism, not reduce it. So this is an ABSOLUTE no-no for me.
In my opinion, I would advise against it.
-David / BootJockey
-257 pounds
Nonsense. Would love to see where you get that figure from. From my reading there is a no negative impact from fasting up to 3 days. The reason we store energy (fat) is to allow us to survive short periods of famine after all.
OP - do some research into the various styles to see what appeals to you, I would recommend following one of the protocols that has ben researched and developed rather than make it up yourself:
Leangains
Eat Stop Eat
ADF (alternate day fasting)
5:2
JUDDD (UpDayDownDayDiet)
I've been following 5:2 fasting routine for a year with nothing but positive outcomes (www.thefastdiet.co.uk). There's two groups on here that are very supportive.0 -
Personally I wouldn't do it at all. Ever. It slows your metabolism and can lead to short and long-term damage.
I used to get horror cravings for my old favourites (sugary foods; starchy, empty carbs; soft drink; caffeine etc) if I didn't eat enough of the other stuff (protein, lower GI carbs and fat), or get enough sleep. Sometimes if I'm tired, or haven't eaten regularly I still get them, though it's rarer now. It takes a long time to get through it, but keep pushing through and your cravings will subside, provided you are filling your body with nutrient-dense food. My 'treats' or 'cravings' now consist of things like Quest bars (a protein bar that tastes so completely naughty but is as clean as can be! If you have a sweet tooth, and struggle with those cravings, look them up) sweet potato fries, popcorn and other things like that.
That's a vague statement. It takes at a MINIMUM 3 days of zero calorie intake for your metabolism to slow, before this time, your metabolism can actually speed up. If you are healthy, any fast no longer than 10 days is not going do cause any type of damage to your body. Please stop trying to scare people...
Goodness, I wasn't aware that what I wrote was so terrifying. I humbly apologise for making vague and scary statements *rolls eyes* I'm just going on what I know, have seen and have read about fasting. I personally don't think it's a great way to achieve ANY health/fitness goals, and find that eating regularly and not skipping food/meals has helped me achieve mine.0
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