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Food Stamps Restriction
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Packerjohn wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »nkovacs53804 wrote: »It’s a huge problem. We deliver “snack packs” to families with kids that have asked for help.
Not one of these families has ever said “thanks” but instead has requested specific free foods.
Soda and other snack food on EBT...no.
When all else fails one could actually join the workforce.
Every person I know personally who receives food stamps, does so gratefully, and also works 50 or more hours a week. What about demanding a livable wage instead of assuming every poor person is lazy?
Livable wages, while a very prominent and powerful political rallying cry, are a self-defeating proposal - ask any of the small business owners who used to have businesses in downtown Seattle or San Fran.
I don't really agree with this either...I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to. we all prospered. I did not go out of business bc of paying people fair wages I went out of business WHEN GREEDY CORPORATE PEOPLE AND POLICTICIANS DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY IN 2008-9-10 bush era destroyed our business landscape and real estate industry.
So they were adding a hypothetical $10 an hour to your business and you paid them $50.
You went out of business because you were bad at business.
I was in business 30 years. and you cant add..omg. are you a bush fan?
50 is 5 times 10.
You said you paid 5 times what you had to. That means you paid 5 times what they were worth.
"years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what" cant read or add huh.I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to
IF you want quality people what you "have to pay them" is at or above market value. My market value is $45-65 an hour, and I add 75-200 an hour of value.
If you want someone with my skills, you "have to pay" ~50 an hour. 4-5 times that is 200-250 an hour.
The same principle applies if the market value of a person is $8 or $10 or $3.
You seem confused by basic principles of hiring and personnel management.
if the wage I had to pay was 10 bucks an hour...and I paid 14 - 15 an hour..would be $4- 5 more and hour than i had to" that would be a living wage.
$14 or $15 an hour might be a living wage for a single person, it is not a living wage for a family of 4 (w/o some outside assistance).
Then one shouldn't make themselves into a family of four until they can afford it.
Which was my point - thanks for putting it so succinctly.
And now we want to limit how many children people has? Welcome to Republic of China!!3 -
Packerjohn wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »nkovacs53804 wrote: »It’s a huge problem. We deliver “snack packs” to families with kids that have asked for help.
Not one of these families has ever said “thanks” but instead has requested specific free foods.
Soda and other snack food on EBT...no.
When all else fails one could actually join the workforce.
Every person I know personally who receives food stamps, does so gratefully, and also works 50 or more hours a week. What about demanding a livable wage instead of assuming every poor person is lazy?
Livable wages, while a very prominent and powerful political rallying cry, are a self-defeating proposal - ask any of the small business owners who used to have businesses in downtown Seattle or San Fran.
I don't really agree with this either...I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to. we all prospered. I did not go out of business bc of paying people fair wages I went out of business WHEN GREEDY CORPORATE PEOPLE AND POLICTICIANS DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY IN 2008-9-10 bush era destroyed our business landscape and real estate industry.
So they were adding a hypothetical $10 an hour to your business and you paid them $50.
You went out of business because you were bad at business.
I was in business 30 years. and you cant add..omg. are you a bush fan?
50 is 5 times 10.
You said you paid 5 times what you had to. That means you paid 5 times what they were worth.
"years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what" cant read or add huh.I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to
IF you want quality people what you "have to pay them" is at or above market value. My market value is $45-65 an hour, and I add 75-200 an hour of value.
If you want someone with my skills, you "have to pay" ~50 an hour. 4-5 times that is 200-250 an hour.
The same principle applies if the market value of a person is $8 or $10 or $3.
You seem confused by basic principles of hiring and personnel management.
if the wage I had to pay was 10 bucks an hour...and I paid 14 - 15 an hour..would be $4- 5 more and hour than i had to" that would be a living wage.
$14 or $15 an hour might be a living wage for a single person, it is not a living wage for a family of 4 (w/o some outside assistance).
Then one shouldn't make themselves into a family of four until they can afford it.
Which was my point - thanks for putting it so succinctly.
And now we want to limit how many children people has? Welcome to Republic of China!!
Responsible people tend not to have more dependents than they can afford.7 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »nkovacs53804 wrote: »It’s a huge problem. We deliver “snack packs” to families with kids that have asked for help.
Not one of these families has ever said “thanks” but instead has requested specific free foods.
Soda and other snack food on EBT...no.
When all else fails one could actually join the workforce.
Every person I know personally who receives food stamps, does so gratefully, and also works 50 or more hours a week. What about demanding a livable wage instead of assuming every poor person is lazy?
Livable wages, while a very prominent and powerful political rallying cry, are a self-defeating proposal - ask any of the small business owners who used to have businesses in downtown Seattle or San Fran.
I don't really agree with this either...I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to. we all prospered. I did not go out of business bc of paying people fair wages I went out of business WHEN GREEDY CORPORATE PEOPLE AND POLICTICIANS DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY IN 2008-9-10 bush era destroyed our business landscape and real estate industry.
So they were adding a hypothetical $10 an hour to your business and you paid them $50.
You went out of business because you were bad at business.
I was in business 30 years. and you cant add..omg. are you a bush fan?
50 is 5 times 10.
You said you paid 5 times what you had to. That means you paid 5 times what they were worth.
"years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what" cant read or add huh.I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to
IF you want quality people what you "have to pay them" is at or above market value. My market value is $45-65 an hour, and I add 75-200 an hour of value.
If you want someone with my skills, you "have to pay" ~50 an hour. 4-5 times that is 200-250 an hour.
The same principle applies if the market value of a person is $8 or $10 or $3.
You seem confused by basic principles of hiring and personnel management.
if the wage I had to pay was 10 bucks an hour...and I paid 14 - 15 an hour..would be $4- 5 more and hour than i had to" that would be a living wage.
$14 or $15 an hour might be a living wage for a single person, it is not a living wage for a family of 4 (w/o some outside assistance).
Then one shouldn't make themselves into a family of four until they can afford it.
Which was my point - thanks for putting it so succinctly.
And now we want to limit how many children people has? Welcome to Republic of China!!
Responsible people tend not to have more dependents than they can afford.
Because nobody had ever ended up jobless or single after the fact...6 -
Packerjohn wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »nkovacs53804 wrote: »It’s a huge problem. We deliver “snack packs” to families with kids that have asked for help.
Not one of these families has ever said “thanks” but instead has requested specific free foods.
Soda and other snack food on EBT...no.
When all else fails one could actually join the workforce.
Every person I know personally who receives food stamps, does so gratefully, and also works 50 or more hours a week. What about demanding a livable wage instead of assuming every poor person is lazy?
Livable wages, while a very prominent and powerful political rallying cry, are a self-defeating proposal - ask any of the small business owners who used to have businesses in downtown Seattle or San Fran.
I don't really agree with this either...I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to. we all prospered. I did not go out of business bc of paying people fair wages I went out of business WHEN GREEDY CORPORATE PEOPLE AND POLICTICIANS DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY IN 2008-9-10 bush era destroyed our business landscape and real estate industry.
So they were adding a hypothetical $10 an hour to your business and you paid them $50.
You went out of business because you were bad at business.
I was in business 30 years. and you cant add..omg. are you a bush fan?
50 is 5 times 10.
You said you paid 5 times what you had to. That means you paid 5 times what they were worth.
"years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what" cant read or add huh.I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to
IF you want quality people what you "have to pay them" is at or above market value. My market value is $45-65 an hour, and I add 75-200 an hour of value.
If you want someone with my skills, you "have to pay" ~50 an hour. 4-5 times that is 200-250 an hour.
The same principle applies if the market value of a person is $8 or $10 or $3.
You seem confused by basic principles of hiring and personnel management.
if the wage I had to pay was 10 bucks an hour...and I paid 14 - 15 an hour..would be $4- 5 more and hour than i had to" that would be a living wage.
$14 or $15 an hour might be a living wage for a single person, it is not a living wage for a family of 4 (w/o some outside assistance).
Then one shouldn't make themselves into a family of four until they can afford it.
Which was my point - thanks for putting it so succinctly.
And now we want to limit how many children people has? Welcome to Republic of China!!
You can have as many children as you want.
If you want to force me to help you pay to raise them I expect to have a say regarding whether you have any more.13 -
They should not allow food stamps to be used to purchase soda.
The whole reason food stamps exist is because we don't want people who are struggling financially to starve or suffer malnutrition. Soda is just calories with no other nutritional value. Foods stamps should be used for more nutritious food choices.
I would go further and ban additional items, but soda is an excellent start.4 -
MeanderingMammal wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »nkovacs53804 wrote: »It’s a huge problem. We deliver “snack packs” to families with kids that have asked for help.
Not one of these families has ever said “thanks” but instead has requested specific free foods.
Soda and other snack food on EBT...no.
When all else fails one could actually join the workforce.
Every person I know personally who receives food stamps, does so gratefully, and also works 50 or more hours a week. What about demanding a livable wage instead of assuming every poor person is lazy?
Livable wages, while a very prominent and powerful political rallying cry, are a self-defeating proposal - ask any of the small business owners who used to have businesses in downtown Seattle or San Fran.
I don't really agree with this either...I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to. we all prospered. I did not go out of business bc of paying people fair wages I went out of business WHEN GREEDY CORPORATE PEOPLE AND POLICTICIANS DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY IN 2008-9-10 bush era destroyed our business landscape and real estate industry.
So they were adding a hypothetical $10 an hour to your business and you paid them $50.
You went out of business because you were bad at business.
I was in business 30 years. and you cant add..omg. are you a bush fan?
50 is 5 times 10.
You said you paid 5 times what you had to. That means you paid 5 times what they were worth.
"years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what" cant read or add huh.I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to
IF you want quality people what you "have to pay them" is at or above market value. My market value is $45-65 an hour, and I add 75-200 an hour of value.
If you want someone with my skills, you "have to pay" ~50 an hour. 4-5 times that is 200-250 an hour.
The same principle applies if the market value of a person is $8 or $10 or $3.
You seem confused by basic principles of hiring and personnel management.
if the wage I had to pay was 10 bucks an hour...and I paid 14 - 15 an hour..would be $4- 5 more and hour than i had to" that would be a living wage.
$14 or $15 an hour might be a living wage for a single person, it is not a living wage for a family of 4 (w/o some outside assistance).
Then one shouldn't make themselves into a family of four until they can afford it.
Which was my point - thanks for putting it so succinctly.
And now we want to limit how many children people has? Welcome to Republic of China!!
Responsible people tend not to have more dependents than they can afford.
Because nobody had ever ended up jobless or single after the fact...
That's what food stamps should be for IMO. Temporary situations where one is having financial difficulties. Not a lifestyle.6 -
Packerjohn wrote: »MeanderingMammal wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »nkovacs53804 wrote: »It’s a huge problem. We deliver “snack packs” to families with kids that have asked for help.
Not one of these families has ever said “thanks” but instead has requested specific free foods.
Soda and other snack food on EBT...no.
When all else fails one could actually join the workforce.
Every person I know personally who receives food stamps, does so gratefully, and also works 50 or more hours a week. What about demanding a livable wage instead of assuming every poor person is lazy?
Livable wages, while a very prominent and powerful political rallying cry, are a self-defeating proposal - ask any of the small business owners who used to have businesses in downtown Seattle or San Fran.
I don't really agree with this either...I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to. we all prospered. I did not go out of business bc of paying people fair wages I went out of business WHEN GREEDY CORPORATE PEOPLE AND POLICTICIANS DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY IN 2008-9-10 bush era destroyed our business landscape and real estate industry.
So they were adding a hypothetical $10 an hour to your business and you paid them $50.
You went out of business because you were bad at business.
I was in business 30 years. and you cant add..omg. are you a bush fan?
50 is 5 times 10.
You said you paid 5 times what you had to. That means you paid 5 times what they were worth.
"years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what" cant read or add huh.I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to
IF you want quality people what you "have to pay them" is at or above market value. My market value is $45-65 an hour, and I add 75-200 an hour of value.
If you want someone with my skills, you "have to pay" ~50 an hour. 4-5 times that is 200-250 an hour.
The same principle applies if the market value of a person is $8 or $10 or $3.
You seem confused by basic principles of hiring and personnel management.
if the wage I had to pay was 10 bucks an hour...and I paid 14 - 15 an hour..would be $4- 5 more and hour than i had to" that would be a living wage.
$14 or $15 an hour might be a living wage for a single person, it is not a living wage for a family of 4 (w/o some outside assistance).
Then one shouldn't make themselves into a family of four until they can afford it.
Which was my point - thanks for putting it so succinctly.
And now we want to limit how many children people has? Welcome to Republic of China!!
Responsible people tend not to have more dependents than they can afford.
Because nobody had ever ended up jobless or single after the fact...
That's what food stamps should be for IMO. Temporary situations where one is having financial difficulties. Not a lifestyle.
So how many people do you personally know who have a ‘food stamps lifestyle?’ Just curious.5 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »nkovacs53804 wrote: »It’s a huge problem. We deliver “snack packs” to families with kids that have asked for help.
Not one of these families has ever said “thanks” but instead has requested specific free foods.
Soda and other snack food on EBT...no.
When all else fails one could actually join the workforce.
Every person I know personally who receives food stamps, does so gratefully, and also works 50 or more hours a week. What about demanding a livable wage instead of assuming every poor person is lazy?
Livable wages, while a very prominent and powerful political rallying cry, are a self-defeating proposal - ask any of the small business owners who used to have businesses in downtown Seattle or San Fran.
I don't really agree with this either...I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to. we all prospered. I did not go out of business bc of paying people fair wages I went out of business WHEN GREEDY CORPORATE PEOPLE AND POLICTICIANS DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY IN 2008-9-10 bush era destroyed our business landscape and real estate industry.
So they were adding a hypothetical $10 an hour to your business and you paid them $50.
You went out of business because you were bad at business.
I was in business 30 years. and you cant add..omg. are you a bush fan?
50 is 5 times 10.
You said you paid 5 times what you had to. That means you paid 5 times what they were worth.
"years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what" cant read or add huh.I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to
IF you want quality people what you "have to pay them" is at or above market value. My market value is $45-65 an hour, and I add 75-200 an hour of value.
If you want someone with my skills, you "have to pay" ~50 an hour. 4-5 times that is 200-250 an hour.
The same principle applies if the market value of a person is $8 or $10 or $3.
You seem confused by basic principles of hiring and personnel management.
if the wage I had to pay was 10 bucks an hour...and I paid 14 - 15 an hour..would be $4- 5 more and hour than i had to" that would be a living wage.
$14 or $15 an hour might be a living wage for a single person, it is not a living wage for a family of 4 (w/o some outside assistance).
Then one shouldn't make themselves into a family of four until they can afford it.
Which was my point - thanks for putting it so succinctly.
And now we want to limit how many children people has? Welcome to Republic of China!!
Responsible people tend not to have more dependents than they can afford.
Yeah because every woman has a health insurance that pays for birth control or a spouse or SO that doesn't mind using "protection."
Or because, and like mentioned above by another poster, the birth control method failed. Or because due to religious practice birth control is not an option.
Let's be fair and realistic and stop being so judgemental.7 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »nkovacs53804 wrote: »It’s a huge problem. We deliver “snack packs” to families with kids that have asked for help.
Not one of these families has ever said “thanks” but instead has requested specific free foods.
Soda and other snack food on EBT...no.
When all else fails one could actually join the workforce.
Every person I know personally who receives food stamps, does so gratefully, and also works 50 or more hours a week. What about demanding a livable wage instead of assuming every poor person is lazy?
Livable wages, while a very prominent and powerful political rallying cry, are a self-defeating proposal - ask any of the small business owners who used to have businesses in downtown Seattle or San Fran.
I don't really agree with this either...I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to. we all prospered. I did not go out of business bc of paying people fair wages I went out of business WHEN GREEDY CORPORATE PEOPLE AND POLICTICIANS DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY IN 2008-9-10 bush era destroyed our business landscape and real estate industry.
So they were adding a hypothetical $10 an hour to your business and you paid them $50.
You went out of business because you were bad at business.
I was in business 30 years. and you cant add..omg. are you a bush fan?
50 is 5 times 10.
You said you paid 5 times what you had to. That means you paid 5 times what they were worth.
"years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what" cant read or add huh.I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to
IF you want quality people what you "have to pay them" is at or above market value. My market value is $45-65 an hour, and I add 75-200 an hour of value.
If you want someone with my skills, you "have to pay" ~50 an hour. 4-5 times that is 200-250 an hour.
The same principle applies if the market value of a person is $8 or $10 or $3.
You seem confused by basic principles of hiring and personnel management.
if the wage I had to pay was 10 bucks an hour...and I paid 14 - 15 an hour..would be $4- 5 more and hour than i had to" that would be a living wage.
$14 or $15 an hour might be a living wage for a single person, it is not a living wage for a family of 4 (w/o some outside assistance).
Then one shouldn't make themselves into a family of four until they can afford it.
Which was my point - thanks for putting it so succinctly.
And now we want to limit how many children people has? Welcome to Republic of China!!
Responsible people tend not to have more dependents than they can afford.
Yeah because every woman has a health insurance that pays for birth control or a spouse or SO that doesn't mind using "protection."
Or because, and like mentioned above by another poster, the birth control method failed. Or because due to religious practice birth control is not an option.
Let's be fair and realistic and stop being so judgemental.
As long as we apply this all the way around, and not just those who are either wanting assistance or for it, fine. But many are judgmental towards those who are critical of how the programs work and how they seem to reward some for making unsound choices.
I seldom see a call to be less judgmental towards those folks who are often raising valid criticisms and concerns about the state of assistance.
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Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »nkovacs53804 wrote: »It’s a huge problem. We deliver “snack packs” to families with kids that have asked for help.
Not one of these families has ever said “thanks” but instead has requested specific free foods.
Soda and other snack food on EBT...no.
When all else fails one could actually join the workforce.
Every person I know personally who receives food stamps, does so gratefully, and also works 50 or more hours a week. What about demanding a livable wage instead of assuming every poor person is lazy?
Livable wages, while a very prominent and powerful political rallying cry, are a self-defeating proposal - ask any of the small business owners who used to have businesses in downtown Seattle or San Fran.
I don't really agree with this either...I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to. we all prospered. I did not go out of business bc of paying people fair wages I went out of business WHEN GREEDY CORPORATE PEOPLE AND POLICTICIANS DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY IN 2008-9-10 bush era destroyed our business landscape and real estate industry.
So they were adding a hypothetical $10 an hour to your business and you paid them $50.
You went out of business because you were bad at business.
I was in business 30 years. and you cant add..omg. are you a bush fan?
50 is 5 times 10.
You said you paid 5 times what you had to. That means you paid 5 times what they were worth.
"years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what" cant read or add huh.I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to
IF you want quality people what you "have to pay them" is at or above market value. My market value is $45-65 an hour, and I add 75-200 an hour of value.
If you want someone with my skills, you "have to pay" ~50 an hour. 4-5 times that is 200-250 an hour.
The same principle applies if the market value of a person is $8 or $10 or $3.
You seem confused by basic principles of hiring and personnel management.
if the wage I had to pay was 10 bucks an hour...and I paid 14 - 15 an hour..would be $4- 5 more and hour than i had to" that would be a living wage.
$14 or $15 an hour might be a living wage for a single person, it is not a living wage for a family of 4 (w/o some outside assistance).
Then one shouldn't make themselves into a family of four until they can afford it.
Which was my point - thanks for putting it so succinctly.
And now we want to limit how many children people has? Welcome to Republic of China!!
Responsible people tend not to have more dependents than they can afford.
Yeah because every woman has a health insurance that pays for birth control or a spouse or SO that doesn't mind using "protection."
Or because, and like mentioned above by another poster, the birth control method failed. Or because due to religious practice birth control is not an option.
Let's be fair and realistic and stop being so judgemental.
Birth control is very cheap. Even without insurance, it is not a huge expenditure. And if your SO doesn't respect you enough to take your desire to be responsible into account, I question why you would be with such a person.
If a person isn't mature enough to be responsible about sex and the potential consequences, perhaps they shouldn't be having sex. And if they DO have sex and have children they can't afford...don't expect me to buy their soda.11 -
@stanmann571
And how do you propose that the government or the citizens do that? How are "you" going to have a say in the matter? Isn't that a violation of individual rights and liberties?
Are you or the government going to impose birth control when so many insurance companies are refusing to happy for it, and when the government is threatening to close Planned Parenthood.
Be careful what you wish for...5 -
http://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/florida-bill-would-prevent-buying-soft-drinks-with-food-stamps/281-466529691
getting back on point. no I don't think food stamps should be used to buy soda...junk food etc. no. and I do support having new laws the require drug testing for welfare and ebt recipients.
Did you know that drug testing welfare recipients costs more money than it saves by kicking off the few found to have drugs in their system? This is a dumb, inhumane practice that ends up costing more money than letting a few drug users have SNAP. There’s no evidence that the poor use more drugs than more affluent people, and they may actually use less because drugs are expensive.7 -
MoiAussi93 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »nkovacs53804 wrote: »It’s a huge problem. We deliver “snack packs” to families with kids that have asked for help.
Not one of these families has ever said “thanks” but instead has requested specific free foods.
Soda and other snack food on EBT...no.
When all else fails one could actually join the workforce.
Every person I know personally who receives food stamps, does so gratefully, and also works 50 or more hours a week. What about demanding a livable wage instead of assuming every poor person is lazy?
Livable wages, while a very prominent and powerful political rallying cry, are a self-defeating proposal - ask any of the small business owners who used to have businesses in downtown Seattle or San Fran.
I don't really agree with this either...I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to. we all prospered. I did not go out of business bc of paying people fair wages I went out of business WHEN GREEDY CORPORATE PEOPLE AND POLICTICIANS DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY IN 2008-9-10 bush era destroyed our business landscape and real estate industry.
So they were adding a hypothetical $10 an hour to your business and you paid them $50.
You went out of business because you were bad at business.
I was in business 30 years. and you cant add..omg. are you a bush fan?
50 is 5 times 10.
You said you paid 5 times what you had to. That means you paid 5 times what they were worth.
"years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what" cant read or add huh.I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to
IF you want quality people what you "have to pay them" is at or above market value. My market value is $45-65 an hour, and I add 75-200 an hour of value.
If you want someone with my skills, you "have to pay" ~50 an hour. 4-5 times that is 200-250 an hour.
The same principle applies if the market value of a person is $8 or $10 or $3.
You seem confused by basic principles of hiring and personnel management.
if the wage I had to pay was 10 bucks an hour...and I paid 14 - 15 an hour..would be $4- 5 more and hour than i had to" that would be a living wage.
$14 or $15 an hour might be a living wage for a single person, it is not a living wage for a family of 4 (w/o some outside assistance).
Then one shouldn't make themselves into a family of four until they can afford it.
Which was my point - thanks for putting it so succinctly.
And now we want to limit how many children people has? Welcome to Republic of China!!
Responsible people tend not to have more dependents than they can afford.
Yeah because every woman has a health insurance that pays for birth control or a spouse or SO that doesn't mind using "protection."
Or because, and like mentioned above by another poster, the birth control method failed. Or because due to religious practice birth control is not an option.
Let's be fair and realistic and stop being so judgemental.
Birth control is very cheap. Even without insurance, it is not a huge expenditure. And if your SO doesn't respect you enough to take your desire to be responsible into account, I question why you would be with such a person.
If a person isn't mature enough to be responsible about sex and the potential consequences, perhaps they shouldn't be having sex. And if they DO have sex and have children they can't afford...don't expect me to buy their soda.
For what I read on line, birth control treatment cost between $20 to $50 a month. It may not be a big expense for you or others but I suppose that for very low income people that is a considerable amount.
I am too old to worry about BC, but I recent your comment about questioning me or anybody else about being with a partner if "he" doesn't want to use protection. Very uncalled for.
That's all for me now. This thread and some of the judgmental comments posted in here are really upsetting.8 -
caymanbound109 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »caymanbound109 wrote: »I've stayed out of this "discussion" for a long time. So, if I've paid in to the "system" and need to use it, I'm supposed to let someone else tell me what I can buy with my SNAP funds? Did I get that right?
SNAP has nothing to do with paying into the system, and we ALREADY tell people what they can buy with their SNAP funds.
What I meant was that I work and pay taxes and at one time, I needed to use Food Stamps. You can buy pretty much anything with those funds (I didn't have cash benefits) except for household items and alcohol. No, I wasn't told what I could and could not buy (referring to soda and "junk" food).
You can't buy non food items.
You can't buy prepared food items (even including healthy things like a rotisserie chicken).
You can't buy from non approved vendors.
I don't see why limiting the rules to prohibit soda would be different from saying you can't use it on prepared foods. It actually makes more sense, IMO. I'm not in favor of doing it (again, my view on this is "who cares, not a big deal either way") but it's obviously true such rules could be added.
The gov't could also easily decide to be more limiting beyond that, nothing about the program prevents that. I don't think they should, but that's a different issue.2 -
@stanmann571
And how do you propose that the government or the citizens do that? How are "you" going to have a say in the matter? Isn't that a violation of individual rights and liberties?
Are you or the government going to impose birth control when so many insurance companies are refusing to happy for it, and when the government is threatening to close Planned Parenthood.
Be careful what you wish for...
Get government out of the assistance business. The only money they have is money taken from others.
Those who feel an obligation to assist others are still free to spend their time, talent and treasure as they see fit. Providing food, birth control, cash, based on their deeply held beliefs.
None are forced to contribute against their beliefs.
The problem is not that their are programs. The problem is that government mandates solutions and they often go counter to the values of the governed.
In a free society, this shouldn't happen.
People should be free to help others. Equally,they should be free to not participate, and certainly not forced to fund programs that violate their values.
Those who buy votes with taxpayer dollars, also spelled politicians are not the best arbiters of how to help.7 -
happytree923 wrote: »http://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/florida-bill-would-prevent-buying-soft-drinks-with-food-stamps/281-466529691
getting back on point. no I don't think food stamps should be used to buy soda...junk food etc. no. and I do support having new laws the require drug testing for welfare and ebt recipients.
Did you know that drug testing welfare recipients costs more money than it saves by kicking off the few found to have drugs in their system? This is a dumb, inhumane practice that ends up costing more money than letting a few drug users have SNAP. There’s no evidence that the poor use more drugs than more affluent people, and they may actually use less because drugs are expensive.
Is it inhumane that many employees are subject to random drug tests by their employers? How about kids attending private schools.or participating in high school sports?
There is some debate on cost/benefit of testing welfare recipients, but inhumane, come on
.6 -
happytree923 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »MeanderingMammal wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »nkovacs53804 wrote: »It’s a huge problem. We deliver “snack packs” to families with kids that have asked for help.
Not one of these families has ever said “thanks” but instead has requested specific free foods.
Soda and other snack food on EBT...no.
When all else fails one could actually join the workforce.
Every person I know personally who receives food stamps, does so gratefully, and also works 50 or more hours a week. What about demanding a livable wage instead of assuming every poor person is lazy?
Livable wages, while a very prominent and powerful political rallying cry, are a self-defeating proposal - ask any of the small business owners who used to have businesses in downtown Seattle or San Fran.
I don't really agree with this either...I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to. we all prospered. I did not go out of business bc of paying people fair wages I went out of business WHEN GREEDY CORPORATE PEOPLE AND POLICTICIANS DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY IN 2008-9-10 bush era destroyed our business landscape and real estate industry.
So they were adding a hypothetical $10 an hour to your business and you paid them $50.
You went out of business because you were bad at business.
I was in business 30 years. and you cant add..omg. are you a bush fan?
50 is 5 times 10.
You said you paid 5 times what you had to. That means you paid 5 times what they were worth.
"years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what" cant read or add huh.I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to
IF you want quality people what you "have to pay them" is at or above market value. My market value is $45-65 an hour, and I add 75-200 an hour of value.
If you want someone with my skills, you "have to pay" ~50 an hour. 4-5 times that is 200-250 an hour.
The same principle applies if the market value of a person is $8 or $10 or $3.
You seem confused by basic principles of hiring and personnel management.
if the wage I had to pay was 10 bucks an hour...and I paid 14 - 15 an hour..would be $4- 5 more and hour than i had to" that would be a living wage.
$14 or $15 an hour might be a living wage for a single person, it is not a living wage for a family of 4 (w/o some outside assistance).
Then one shouldn't make themselves into a family of four until they can afford it.
Which was my point - thanks for putting it so succinctly.
And now we want to limit how many children people has? Welcome to Republic of China!!
Responsible people tend not to have more dependents than they can afford.
Because nobody had ever ended up jobless or single after the fact...
That's what food stamps should be for IMO. Temporary situations where one is having financial difficulties. Not a lifestyle.
So how many people do you personally know who have a ‘food stamps lifestyle?’ Just curious.
My wife's cousin has 4 daughters by 3 different guys (there was a set of twins in there). None of the guys stayed around. Her daughters have gone down the same path with 2-4 kids each. They are all collecting benefits, even though my wife's uncle who is 80 and questionable health has spent his life savings and is still working to support them since he doesn't want his family on welfare.
My wife works in education so has a number of stories as well as a friend who works for Children and Family Services.
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MoiAussi93 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »nkovacs53804 wrote: »It’s a huge problem. We deliver “snack packs” to families with kids that have asked for help.
Not one of these families has ever said “thanks” but instead has requested specific free foods.
Soda and other snack food on EBT...no.
When all else fails one could actually join the workforce.
Every person I know personally who receives food stamps, does so gratefully, and also works 50 or more hours a week. What about demanding a livable wage instead of assuming every poor person is lazy?
Livable wages, while a very prominent and powerful political rallying cry, are a self-defeating proposal - ask any of the small business owners who used to have businesses in downtown Seattle or San Fran.
I don't really agree with this either...I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to. we all prospered. I did not go out of business bc of paying people fair wages I went out of business WHEN GREEDY CORPORATE PEOPLE AND POLICTICIANS DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY IN 2008-9-10 bush era destroyed our business landscape and real estate industry.
So they were adding a hypothetical $10 an hour to your business and you paid them $50.
You went out of business because you were bad at business.
I was in business 30 years. and you cant add..omg. are you a bush fan?
50 is 5 times 10.
You said you paid 5 times what you had to. That means you paid 5 times what they were worth.
"years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what" cant read or add huh.I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to
IF you want quality people what you "have to pay them" is at or above market value. My market value is $45-65 an hour, and I add 75-200 an hour of value.
If you want someone with my skills, you "have to pay" ~50 an hour. 4-5 times that is 200-250 an hour.
The same principle applies if the market value of a person is $8 or $10 or $3.
You seem confused by basic principles of hiring and personnel management.
if the wage I had to pay was 10 bucks an hour...and I paid 14 - 15 an hour..would be $4- 5 more and hour than i had to" that would be a living wage.
$14 or $15 an hour might be a living wage for a single person, it is not a living wage for a family of 4 (w/o some outside assistance).
Then one shouldn't make themselves into a family of four until they can afford it.
Which was my point - thanks for putting it so succinctly.
And now we want to limit how many children people has? Welcome to Republic of China!!
Responsible people tend not to have more dependents than they can afford.
Yeah because every woman has a health insurance that pays for birth control or a spouse or SO that doesn't mind using "protection."
Or because, and like mentioned above by another poster, the birth control method failed. Or because due to religious practice birth control is not an option.
Let's be fair and realistic and stop being so judgemental.
Birth control is very cheap. Even without insurance, it is not a huge expenditure. And if your SO doesn't respect you enough to take your desire to be responsible into account, I question why you would be with such a person.
If a person isn't mature enough to be responsible about sex and the potential consequences, perhaps they shouldn't be having sex. And if they DO have sex and have children they can't afford...don't expect me to buy their soda.
For what I read on line, birth control treatment cost between $20 to $50 a month. It may not be a big expense for you or others but I suppose that for very low income people that is a considerable amount.
I am too old to worry about BC, but I recent your comment about questioning me or anybody else about being with a partner if "he" doesn't want to use protection. Very uncalled for.
That's all for me now. This thread and some of the judgmental comments posted in here are really upsetting.
Any more uncalled for then expecting the taxpaying public to support the result of not using protecion?7 -
tbright1965 wrote: »@stanmann571
And how do you propose that the government or the citizens do that? How are "you" going to have a say in the matter? Isn't that a violation of individual rights and liberties?
Are you or the government going to impose birth control when so many insurance companies are refusing to happy for it, and when the government is threatening to close Planned Parenthood.
Be careful what you wish for...
Get government out of the assistance business. The only money they have is money taken from others.
So just to clarify, you don't see a need for state funded school systems or penal systems?4 -
happytree923 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »MeanderingMammal wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »nkovacs53804 wrote: »It’s a huge problem. We deliver “snack packs” to families with kids that have asked for help.
Not one of these families has ever said “thanks” but instead has requested specific free foods.
Soda and other snack food on EBT...no.
When all else fails one could actually join the workforce.
Every person I know personally who receives food stamps, does so gratefully, and also works 50 or more hours a week. What about demanding a livable wage instead of assuming every poor person is lazy?
Livable wages, while a very prominent and powerful political rallying cry, are a self-defeating proposal - ask any of the small business owners who used to have businesses in downtown Seattle or San Fran.
I don't really agree with this either...I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to. we all prospered. I did not go out of business bc of paying people fair wages I went out of business WHEN GREEDY CORPORATE PEOPLE AND POLICTICIANS DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY IN 2008-9-10 bush era destroyed our business landscape and real estate industry.
So they were adding a hypothetical $10 an hour to your business and you paid them $50.
You went out of business because you were bad at business.
I was in business 30 years. and you cant add..omg. are you a bush fan?
50 is 5 times 10.
You said you paid 5 times what you had to. That means you paid 5 times what they were worth.
"years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what" cant read or add huh.I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to
IF you want quality people what you "have to pay them" is at or above market value. My market value is $45-65 an hour, and I add 75-200 an hour of value.
If you want someone with my skills, you "have to pay" ~50 an hour. 4-5 times that is 200-250 an hour.
The same principle applies if the market value of a person is $8 or $10 or $3.
You seem confused by basic principles of hiring and personnel management.
if the wage I had to pay was 10 bucks an hour...and I paid 14 - 15 an hour..would be $4- 5 more and hour than i had to" that would be a living wage.
$14 or $15 an hour might be a living wage for a single person, it is not a living wage for a family of 4 (w/o some outside assistance).
Then one shouldn't make themselves into a family of four until they can afford it.
Which was my point - thanks for putting it so succinctly.
And now we want to limit how many children people has? Welcome to Republic of China!!
Responsible people tend not to have more dependents than they can afford.
Because nobody had ever ended up jobless or single after the fact...
That's what food stamps should be for IMO. Temporary situations where one is having financial difficulties. Not a lifestyle.
So how many people do you personally know who have a ‘food stamps lifestyle?’ Just curious.
Growing up... several hundreds...4 -
MoiAussi93 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »nkovacs53804 wrote: »It’s a huge problem. We deliver “snack packs” to families with kids that have asked for help.
Not one of these families has ever said “thanks” but instead has requested specific free foods.
Soda and other snack food on EBT...no.
When all else fails one could actually join the workforce.
Every person I know personally who receives food stamps, does so gratefully, and also works 50 or more hours a week. What about demanding a livable wage instead of assuming every poor person is lazy?
Livable wages, while a very prominent and powerful political rallying cry, are a self-defeating proposal - ask any of the small business owners who used to have businesses in downtown Seattle or San Fran.
I don't really agree with this either...I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to. we all prospered. I did not go out of business bc of paying people fair wages I went out of business WHEN GREEDY CORPORATE PEOPLE AND POLICTICIANS DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY IN 2008-9-10 bush era destroyed our business landscape and real estate industry.
So they were adding a hypothetical $10 an hour to your business and you paid them $50.
You went out of business because you were bad at business.
I was in business 30 years. and you cant add..omg. are you a bush fan?
50 is 5 times 10.
You said you paid 5 times what you had to. That means you paid 5 times what they were worth.
"years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what" cant read or add huh.I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to
IF you want quality people what you "have to pay them" is at or above market value. My market value is $45-65 an hour, and I add 75-200 an hour of value.
If you want someone with my skills, you "have to pay" ~50 an hour. 4-5 times that is 200-250 an hour.
The same principle applies if the market value of a person is $8 or $10 or $3.
You seem confused by basic principles of hiring and personnel management.
if the wage I had to pay was 10 bucks an hour...and I paid 14 - 15 an hour..would be $4- 5 more and hour than i had to" that would be a living wage.
$14 or $15 an hour might be a living wage for a single person, it is not a living wage for a family of 4 (w/o some outside assistance).
Then one shouldn't make themselves into a family of four until they can afford it.
Which was my point - thanks for putting it so succinctly.
And now we want to limit how many children people has? Welcome to Republic of China!!
Responsible people tend not to have more dependents than they can afford.
Yeah because every woman has a health insurance that pays for birth control or a spouse or SO that doesn't mind using "protection."
Or because, and like mentioned above by another poster, the birth control method failed. Or because due to religious practice birth control is not an option.
Let's be fair and realistic and stop being so judgemental.
Birth control is very cheap. Even without insurance, it is not a huge expenditure. And if your SO doesn't respect you enough to take your desire to be responsible into account, I question why you would be with such a person.
If a person isn't mature enough to be responsible about sex and the potential consequences, perhaps they shouldn't be having sex. And if they DO have sex and have children they can't afford...don't expect me to buy their soda.
Always strikes me as a bit of a catch 22 situation. Remain in a broken relationship, or get condemned for breaking out of it. It's no surprise that many feel trapped in that situation, both for economic and social reasons.
We're back into the reality that there are many routes into poverty, and it becomes very difficult to get out of that situation.3 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »nkovacs53804 wrote: »It’s a huge problem. We deliver “snack packs” to families with kids that have asked for help.
Not one of these families has ever said “thanks” but instead has requested specific free foods.
Soda and other snack food on EBT...no.
When all else fails one could actually join the workforce.
Every person I know personally who receives food stamps, does so gratefully, and also works 50 or more hours a week. What about demanding a livable wage instead of assuming every poor person is lazy?
Livable wages, while a very prominent and powerful political rallying cry, are a self-defeating proposal - ask any of the small business owners who used to have businesses in downtown Seattle or San Fran.
I don't really agree with this either...I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to. we all prospered. I did not go out of business bc of paying people fair wages I went out of business WHEN GREEDY CORPORATE PEOPLE AND POLICTICIANS DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY IN 2008-9-10 bush era destroyed our business landscape and real estate industry.
So they were adding a hypothetical $10 an hour to your business and you paid them $50.
You went out of business because you were bad at business.
I was in business 30 years. and you cant add..omg. are you a bush fan?
50 is 5 times 10.
You said you paid 5 times what you had to. That means you paid 5 times what they were worth.
"years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what" cant read or add huh.I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to
IF you want quality people what you "have to pay them" is at or above market value. My market value is $45-65 an hour, and I add 75-200 an hour of value.
If you want someone with my skills, you "have to pay" ~50 an hour. 4-5 times that is 200-250 an hour.
The same principle applies if the market value of a person is $8 or $10 or $3.
You seem confused by basic principles of hiring and personnel management.
if the wage I had to pay was 10 bucks an hour...and I paid 14 - 15 an hour..would be $4- 5 more and hour than i had to" that would be a living wage.
$14 or $15 an hour might be a living wage for a single person, it is not a living wage for a family of 4 (w/o some outside assistance).
Then one shouldn't make themselves into a family of four until they can afford it.
Which was my point - thanks for putting it so succinctly.
And now we want to limit how many children people has? Welcome to Republic of China!!
Responsible people tend not to have more dependents than they can afford.
Yeah because every woman has a health insurance that pays for birth control or a spouse or SO that doesn't mind using "protection."
Or because, and like mentioned above by another poster, the birth control method failed. Or because due to religious practice birth control is not an option.
Let's be fair and realistic and stop being so judgemental.
If you can't afford children, Then use effective birth control. In plain english... don't engage in intercourse... it's really pretty simple
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@stanmann571
And how do you propose that the government or the citizens do that? How are "you" going to have a say in the matter? Isn't that a violation of individual rights and liberties?
Are you or the government going to impose birth control when so many insurance companies are refusing to happy for it, and when the government is threatening to close Planned Parenthood.
Be careful what you wish for...
impose, no.. exchange. yes. If you want more money, don't get pregnant. If you get pregnant again... no more money.
Lets take this down to a micro scale. You've got a sister, she gets pregnant by a "bad boyfriend", he bails. You can afford to help... and you do. You care about your niece. 5 bad boyfriends and nieces and nephews later, you can still afford to help... how long do you keep giving her cash? or do you change the way you help?12 -
MoiAussi93 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »nkovacs53804 wrote: »It’s a huge problem. We deliver “snack packs” to families with kids that have asked for help.
Not one of these families has ever said “thanks” but instead has requested specific free foods.
Soda and other snack food on EBT...no.
When all else fails one could actually join the workforce.
Every person I know personally who receives food stamps, does so gratefully, and also works 50 or more hours a week. What about demanding a livable wage instead of assuming every poor person is lazy?
Livable wages, while a very prominent and powerful political rallying cry, are a self-defeating proposal - ask any of the small business owners who used to have businesses in downtown Seattle or San Fran.
I don't really agree with this either...I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to. we all prospered. I did not go out of business bc of paying people fair wages I went out of business WHEN GREEDY CORPORATE PEOPLE AND POLICTICIANS DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY IN 2008-9-10 bush era destroyed our business landscape and real estate industry.
So they were adding a hypothetical $10 an hour to your business and you paid them $50.
You went out of business because you were bad at business.
I was in business 30 years. and you cant add..omg. are you a bush fan?
50 is 5 times 10.
You said you paid 5 times what you had to. That means you paid 5 times what they were worth.
"years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what" cant read or add huh.I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to
IF you want quality people what you "have to pay them" is at or above market value. My market value is $45-65 an hour, and I add 75-200 an hour of value.
If you want someone with my skills, you "have to pay" ~50 an hour. 4-5 times that is 200-250 an hour.
The same principle applies if the market value of a person is $8 or $10 or $3.
You seem confused by basic principles of hiring and personnel management.
if the wage I had to pay was 10 bucks an hour...and I paid 14 - 15 an hour..would be $4- 5 more and hour than i had to" that would be a living wage.
$14 or $15 an hour might be a living wage for a single person, it is not a living wage for a family of 4 (w/o some outside assistance).
Then one shouldn't make themselves into a family of four until they can afford it.
Which was my point - thanks for putting it so succinctly.
And now we want to limit how many children people has? Welcome to Republic of China!!
Responsible people tend not to have more dependents than they can afford.
Yeah because every woman has a health insurance that pays for birth control or a spouse or SO that doesn't mind using "protection."
Or because, and like mentioned above by another poster, the birth control method failed. Or because due to religious practice birth control is not an option.
Let's be fair and realistic and stop being so judgemental.
Birth control is very cheap. Even without insurance, it is not a huge expenditure. And if your SO doesn't respect you enough to take your desire to be responsible into account, I question why you would be with such a person.
If a person isn't mature enough to be responsible about sex and the potential consequences, perhaps they shouldn't be having sex. And if they DO have sex and have children they can't afford...don't expect me to buy their soda.
Birth control is free. And easy.
Just don't do it.10 -
Packerjohn wrote: »happytree923 wrote: »http://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/florida-bill-would-prevent-buying-soft-drinks-with-food-stamps/281-466529691
getting back on point. no I don't think food stamps should be used to buy soda...junk food etc. no. and I do support having new laws the require drug testing for welfare and ebt recipients.
Did you know that drug testing welfare recipients costs more money than it saves by kicking off the few found to have drugs in their system? This is a dumb, inhumane practice that ends up costing more money than letting a few drug users have SNAP. There’s no evidence that the poor use more drugs than more affluent people, and they may actually use less because drugs are expensive.
Is it inhumane that many employees are subject to random drug tests by their employers? How about kids attending private schools.or participating in high school sports?
There is some debate on cost/benefit of testing welfare recipients, but inhumane, come on
.
I consider any routine drug testing anywhere at any time to be a massive invasion of medical privacy. Illegal drugs aren't the only substances routine drug testing can reveal and I find it absurd that employers can basically force potential employees to disclose mental health problems because psychoactive medications were found in their urine.
Drug testing because a specific person is suspected of drug use due to actual, quantifiable signs and behavior, or a situation like the Olympics where there is a high incentive to use drugs, is a different story. But drug testing for jobs that pay $9/hour? Your employer should not have the right to demand body fluids from you any more than they should have the right to look at your medical records or browsing history on your home computer.5 -
Packerjohn wrote: »happytree923 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »MeanderingMammal wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »nkovacs53804 wrote: »It’s a huge problem. We deliver “snack packs” to families with kids that have asked for help.
Not one of these families has ever said “thanks” but instead has requested specific free foods.
Soda and other snack food on EBT...no.
When all else fails one could actually join the workforce.
Every person I know personally who receives food stamps, does so gratefully, and also works 50 or more hours a week. What about demanding a livable wage instead of assuming every poor person is lazy?
Livable wages, while a very prominent and powerful political rallying cry, are a self-defeating proposal - ask any of the small business owners who used to have businesses in downtown Seattle or San Fran.
I don't really agree with this either...I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to. we all prospered. I did not go out of business bc of paying people fair wages I went out of business WHEN GREEDY CORPORATE PEOPLE AND POLICTICIANS DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY IN 2008-9-10 bush era destroyed our business landscape and real estate industry.
So they were adding a hypothetical $10 an hour to your business and you paid them $50.
You went out of business because you were bad at business.
I was in business 30 years. and you cant add..omg. are you a bush fan?
50 is 5 times 10.
You said you paid 5 times what you had to. That means you paid 5 times what they were worth.
"years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what" cant read or add huh.I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to
IF you want quality people what you "have to pay them" is at or above market value. My market value is $45-65 an hour, and I add 75-200 an hour of value.
If you want someone with my skills, you "have to pay" ~50 an hour. 4-5 times that is 200-250 an hour.
The same principle applies if the market value of a person is $8 or $10 or $3.
You seem confused by basic principles of hiring and personnel management.
if the wage I had to pay was 10 bucks an hour...and I paid 14 - 15 an hour..would be $4- 5 more and hour than i had to" that would be a living wage.
$14 or $15 an hour might be a living wage for a single person, it is not a living wage for a family of 4 (w/o some outside assistance).
Then one shouldn't make themselves into a family of four until they can afford it.
Which was my point - thanks for putting it so succinctly.
And now we want to limit how many children people has? Welcome to Republic of China!!
Responsible people tend not to have more dependents than they can afford.
Because nobody had ever ended up jobless or single after the fact...
That's what food stamps should be for IMO. Temporary situations where one is having financial difficulties. Not a lifestyle.
So how many people do you personally know who have a ‘food stamps lifestyle?’ Just curious.
My wife's cousin has 4 daughters by 3 different guys (there was a set of twins in there). None of the guys stayed around. Her daughters have gone down the same path with 2-4 kids each. They are all collecting benefits, even though my wife's uncle who is 80 and questionable health has spent his life savings and is still working to support them since he doesn't want his family on welfare.
My wife works in education so has a number of stories as well as a friend who works for Children and Family Services.
Cool. I also work in social services, for an agency that serves over a thousand people a year. I can count on one hand the number of people I or a colleague thought were trying to game the system. We've had way more people whose life circumstances changed and they called on their own volition to tell us thank you and they would no longer be using our services. Your wife and friend have stories because those people are uncommon enough to be MEMORABLE.4 -
happytree923 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »happytree923 wrote: »http://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/florida-bill-would-prevent-buying-soft-drinks-with-food-stamps/281-466529691
getting back on point. no I don't think food stamps should be used to buy soda...junk food etc. no. and I do support having new laws the require drug testing for welfare and ebt recipients.
Did you know that drug testing welfare recipients costs more money than it saves by kicking off the few found to have drugs in their system? This is a dumb, inhumane practice that ends up costing more money than letting a few drug users have SNAP. There’s no evidence that the poor use more drugs than more affluent people, and they may actually use less because drugs are expensive.
Is it inhumane that many employees are subject to random drug tests by their employers? How about kids attending private schools.or participating in high school sports?
There is some debate on cost/benefit of testing welfare recipients, but inhumane, come on
.
I consider any routine drug testing anywhere at any time to be a massive invasion of medical privacy. Illegal drugs aren't the only substances routine drug testing can reveal and I find it absurd that employers can basically force potential employees to disclose mental health problems because psychoactive medications were found in their urine.
Drug testing because a specific person is suspected of drug use due to actual, quantifiable signs and behavior, or a situation like the Olympics where there is a high incentive to use drugs, is a different story. But drug testing for jobs that pay $9/hour? Your employer should not have the right to demand body fluids from you any more than they should have the right to look at your medical records or browsing history on your home computer.
Their house, their rules. If you don't like the rules you don't have to work there.
You don't need to demand body fluids. Testing of hair follicles was done at my kid's school and for HS sports.2 -
happytree923 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »happytree923 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »MeanderingMammal wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »nkovacs53804 wrote: »It’s a huge problem. We deliver “snack packs” to families with kids that have asked for help.
Not one of these families has ever said “thanks” but instead has requested specific free foods.
Soda and other snack food on EBT...no.
When all else fails one could actually join the workforce.
Every person I know personally who receives food stamps, does so gratefully, and also works 50 or more hours a week. What about demanding a livable wage instead of assuming every poor person is lazy?
Livable wages, while a very prominent and powerful political rallying cry, are a self-defeating proposal - ask any of the small business owners who used to have businesses in downtown Seattle or San Fran.
I don't really agree with this either...I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to. we all prospered. I did not go out of business bc of paying people fair wages I went out of business WHEN GREEDY CORPORATE PEOPLE AND POLICTICIANS DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY IN 2008-9-10 bush era destroyed our business landscape and real estate industry.
So they were adding a hypothetical $10 an hour to your business and you paid them $50.
You went out of business because you were bad at business.
I was in business 30 years. and you cant add..omg. are you a bush fan?
50 is 5 times 10.
You said you paid 5 times what you had to. That means you paid 5 times what they were worth.
"years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what" cant read or add huh.I ran a small business for many years and paid people 4-5 more an hour than what I had to
IF you want quality people what you "have to pay them" is at or above market value. My market value is $45-65 an hour, and I add 75-200 an hour of value.
If you want someone with my skills, you "have to pay" ~50 an hour. 4-5 times that is 200-250 an hour.
The same principle applies if the market value of a person is $8 or $10 or $3.
You seem confused by basic principles of hiring and personnel management.
if the wage I had to pay was 10 bucks an hour...and I paid 14 - 15 an hour..would be $4- 5 more and hour than i had to" that would be a living wage.
$14 or $15 an hour might be a living wage for a single person, it is not a living wage for a family of 4 (w/o some outside assistance).
Then one shouldn't make themselves into a family of four until they can afford it.
Which was my point - thanks for putting it so succinctly.
And now we want to limit how many children people has? Welcome to Republic of China!!
Responsible people tend not to have more dependents than they can afford.
Because nobody had ever ended up jobless or single after the fact...
That's what food stamps should be for IMO. Temporary situations where one is having financial difficulties. Not a lifestyle.
So how many people do you personally know who have a ‘food stamps lifestyle?’ Just curious.
My wife's cousin has 4 daughters by 3 different guys (there was a set of twins in there). None of the guys stayed around. Her daughters have gone down the same path with 2-4 kids each. They are all collecting benefits, even though my wife's uncle who is 80 and questionable health has spent his life savings and is still working to support them since he doesn't want his family on welfare.
My wife works in education so has a number of stories as well as a friend who works for Children and Family Services.
Cool. I also work in social services, for an agency that serves over a thousand people a year. I can count on one hand the number of people I or a colleague thought were trying to game the system. We've had way more people whose life circumstances changed and they called on their own volition to tell us thank you and they would no longer be using our services. Your wife and friend have stories because those people are uncommon enough to be MEMORABLE.
The question I was responding to was do you know people who have a "food stamp lifestyle". Gaming the system and a "foodstamp lifestyle" are not the same thing.
I think foodstamps and other social help is great, but we should not be enabling it as a long term/generational lifestyle.2 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »tcunbeliever wrote: »There's zero nutritional value in soda, so sure, as a taxpayer I am totally not into subsiding either the soda industry or the energy drink industry, they should both be banned.
What else is next for the poor people?
pfft. How about NUTRITION? what novel idea for those of us with responsible oversight to see they get nutrition instead of a complete waste. Yes, using food stamps for NUTRITION. Soda adds nothing of value, and has been proved it contributes heavily to obesity in children. Impoverished people (who are often those who have the least knowledge of healthy eating, nutrition and food) do not NEED anything to do with soda. They may want soda, they may like soda, but it has no value and gives them nothing. The food stamp that you and I provide them, that is used to purchase soda, is wasted on something nutritionally worthless. Soda by food stamp is a complete waste of valuable resources.
Food stamps provide them for needs, and they need nutrition, not empty calories. To not recognize this would be irresponsible of you and I, who know what a waste of calories, soda truly is.
"I know they don't NEED soda, but they WANT soda!"
I want a Cadillac Escallade. I dont need one, I have a perfectly good toyota, but I WANT ONE.
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For what it's worth, I can kind of understand their confusion. I work a cash register as part of my job, and once we key in a cash tender, it tells us what amount of change to give and we're supposed to put the amount of cash that we keyed in into the drawer. Giving any amount of change other than what the register tells us to throws our drawers off, and we won't balance at the end of the night.tbright1965 wrote: »One of the problems with minimum wage laws is they can often hurt the unskilled poor more. If the wage floor is artificially set to $15/hour, workers who may not be tempted to take the job at $8/hour are now enticed to take the job at $15/hour.
That person who dropped out of high school and gets confused when they ring up your order and it's 9.79 and they see that $10 bill you pull out of your wallet, key it in, THEN you grab four pennies because you want a solid quarter, may not have $15/hour in skills. (I had this very person last week down new San Antonio, TX who was was confused when I gave him $20.10 for a $10.05 total. I really didn't want another $0.90 in change and a bunch of bills. He tried to give me $9.85 in change because he was confused by the extra 0.10 after he keyed in the $20.)1
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