The Onion is really going in after this Vegas thing..

T0M_K

morehealthymatt wrote: »

The argument that laws shouldn't be passed because, "Well, criminals don't obey the law." Is idiotic. By that rationale, only laws that will never be broken should be passed?

no one said laws shouldn't be passed. the intent I believe was that stricter regulations don't impact criminals and burden more the law abiding citizen. I tend to agree.

cwolfman13

Caporegiem wrote: »

jessiferrrb wrote: »

TeacupsAndToning wrote: »

T0M_K wrote: »

Bry_Lander wrote: »

It is becoming obvious that the totality of gun owners, an overwhelming majority of whom are very responsible, rational, conscientious, and play by the rules, are going to face the reality that a loss of rights / liberty is inevitable due to the insanity of a small group of mentally ill people. This is counterintuitive (disarming responsible people because the world is getting too dangerous), and in reality, disarming a lot of people will make for good optics but will make zero difference, because mentally ill and evil people find a way to obtain weapons and kill people, as we have seen over the past few years in multiple countries with very strict gun control in Western Europe.

You can't disarm law abiding citizens. good lord. you can't do that. nothing else to say.

Ignore what he said. Most people who support gun control do not want to disarm the general public. They want more regulations. That's it.

agreed. nobody is coming to take your legally owned guns away. but maybe you register them, and if you sell, lose or have it stolen then you report it. of course that doesn't solve every contingency, but it's a minimal burden with a large potential upside.

the vegas shooter purchased 33 fire arms legally in 1 year. that would be a huge red flag if he'd had to register them instead of sliding under the radar by staggering the purchases throughout the year and with various vendors. *maybe* he would have found another way to commit mass murder. *maybe* it would not have been as devastating of a loss of life. we don't know, but that shouldn't prevent us from trying to limit deaths from mass shootings in any way we can.

Background checks were still likely performed for his purchases from FFLs and I'd find it very hard to believe the FBI doesn't keep track of the number of background checks performed against someone. Thing is, there were people buying that many guns within a week as the election approached last year when people feared Clinton would take office and enact stricter gun laws.

There are "loopholes" for background checks as well. 26 states have a background check exemption if the purchaser holds some kind of permit or license. Nevada is one of them provided the purchaser has a concealed weapons permit issued on or before 7/1/11.

Given the guys gun purchasing history which goes back 20 years, it wouldn't surprise me if he had a conceal carry permit and thus there wouldn't have been multiple background checks on the 33 weapons he purchased in the last year. Also, while multiple handgun purchases have to be reported to the ATF per federal law, rifle purchases do not...

I could go to Nevada and purchase all of the rifles I wanted to without raising a single red flag because nobody would be the wiser.

Is it possible that just closing some of these loopholes could pay off...just a bit?

cbstewart88

cabronlobos wrote: »

I'm not trying to bait anyone here, I seriously would like to know, what gun law could have prevented that man from killing and injuring all those people in Las Vegas? I am for anyway from preventing something like that from ever happening again.....but I know of no law that matters if you plan on breaking it anyway.

I agree 110% Cabronlobos!!

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