The Onion is really going in after this Vegas thing..

distinctlybeautiful
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What do you think?

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  • WorkerDrone83
    WorkerDrone83 Posts: 3,195 Member
    How is this a divisive topic, though? I'm pretty sure we can all agree that mass shootings are bad.
  • beagletracks
    beagletracks Posts: 6,034 Member
    Yes, you’re right. Everyone on MFP probably agrees about how this latest horrific tragedy demonstrates the necessity of more stringent gun control in the US. We had a productive talk about it in another thread yesterday that did not turn ugly or get moderated.
  • pinuplove
    pinuplove Posts: 12,871 Member
    cabronlobos wrote: »
    I'm not trying to bait anyone here, I seriously would like to know, what gun law could have prevented that man from killing and injuring all those people in Las Vegas? I am for anyway from preventing something like that from ever happening again.....but I know of no law that matters if you plan on breaking it anyway.

    I'm interested to see how he obtained the weapons he used. As of yesterday I hadn't seen that reported. Regardless, a horrifying tragedy yet again.
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  • MellowGa
    MellowGa Posts: 1,258 Member
    edited October 2017
    better weapons now, more powerful, more accurate
  • pinuplove
    pinuplove Posts: 12,871 Member
    cabronlobos wrote: »
    pinuplove wrote: »
    cabronlobos wrote: »
    I'm not trying to bait anyone here, I seriously would like to know, what gun law could have prevented that man from killing and injuring all those people in Las Vegas? I am for anyway from preventing something like that from ever happening again.....but I know of no law that matters if you plan on breaking it anyway.

    I'm interested to see how he obtained the weapons he used. As of yesterday I hadn't seen that reported. Regardless, a horrifying tragedy yet again.

    I think the weapon he used was fully automatic which is illegal to own. He may have modified it to be that way, I don't think it's been disclosed.

    There was a question asked on the news last night that didn't get answered....why are there more of these gun massacres today then there were in the past? Gun laws are more stringent today then they were 20 or 30 yrs ago.....so why now?

    I literally just finished reading an article that said they found two bump stocks that effectively modify semi to full auto in his room https://www.yahoo.com/news/las-vegas-gunman-used-bump-stock-device-speed-021446529.html

    I don't think anyone had the answer to the why's. Violent culture, mental illness, increased media exposure and the sick desire to go down in history probably all factor in.
  • beagletracks
    beagletracks Posts: 6,034 Member
    edited October 2017
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/6-things-to-know-about-mass-shootings-in-america/
  • distinctlybeautiful
    distinctlybeautiful Posts: 1,041 Member
    I didn't even read these as shots at gun control..
  • Corprina
    Corprina Posts: 215 Member
    edited October 2017
    I think it's more control over the people. Take our guns away and they have succeeded. My thoughts and prayers for those who have lost loved ones in this tragically sick horrific event.
  • jdlobb
    jdlobb Posts: 1,232 Member
    Bill O'Reilly basically said EXACTLY the same thing as the first headline, but completely un-sarcastically.
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  • SomebodyWakeUpHIcks
    SomebodyWakeUpHIcks Posts: 3,836 Member
    zachbonner_ wrote: »
    SomebodyWakeUpHIcks wrote: »
    Saw this. Interesting.
    Riddle me this:

    A retired 64 year old multimillionaire who spends his days traveling to Vegas and Dubai with his Asian girlfriend for gambling, lives in a half million dollar house, is a pilot who owns two airplanes, and hunts big game in Alaska, decides to commit a mass shooting at a Jason Aldean concert and then commit suicide when the cops arrive. He has no military experience.

    He manages to exquisitely plan his attack. He books two connecting rooms that offer multiple firing positions overlooking the concert months in advance while his girlfriend just happens to book a trip to the Philippines at the same time. He books them in her name so that his name, as a big time gambler, won't trigger the casino's computer and give him comps and draw attention to him. He acquires automatic weapons somehow and knows enough to put tripods and optics on them. He moves it all up to the hotel room three days in advance and keeps it hidden from housekeeping. He brings a tool to smash the windows instead of shooting through them. He does enough recon on site to realize they close all of the entrances to the concert area but one at 10 so he starts shooting at just after 10 so people have fewer exits to escape through.

    He even thinks of perimeter security and sets up GoPros connected to a tablet so he can watch for the police to arrive.

    Then he starts shooting. At this point, despite such detailed planning, he starts making mistakes. He sustains fire until the drum is empty instead of firing controlled bursts, degrading the effectiveness of his fire. He only has one drum and then has to switch to 30 round magazines. That means more time reloading and less time shooting. His room is too high up which increases distance to target and makes his fire more plunging than grazing and degrading its effectiveness.

    He doesn't know how to use an automatic weapon: how can someone who knows nothing about something so fundamental be able to plan the rest of the operation in such precise detail?

    That's a deep rabbit hole I have no time to go into

    But you must.
  • Corprina
    Corprina Posts: 215 Member
    Why would they close all the entrances but one at 10 when the concert was almost over? Seriously, they were sitting ducks at that point. I don't see how one man did this alone. He either had others helping OR there is something way more sinister going on. I really fear it's the latter!
  • Motorsheen
    Motorsheen Posts: 20,508 Member
    85 guns for every 100 Americans ....

    The toothpaste is out of the tube,
  • jdlobb
    jdlobb Posts: 1,232 Member
    So we're going with the "mass murder is an acceptable price to pay for freedom" reasoning then. Ok
  • marelthu
    marelthu Posts: 184 Member
    pinuplove wrote: »
    cabronlobos wrote: »
    I'm not trying to bait anyone here, I seriously would like to know, what gun law could have prevented that man from killing and injuring all those people in Las Vegas? I am for anyway from preventing something like that from ever happening again.....but I know of no law that matters if you plan on breaking it anyway.

    I'm interested to see how he obtained the weapons he used. As of yesterday I hadn't seen that reported. Regardless, a horrifying tragedy yet again.

    A gun law that bans people from buying and owning such weapons would be a good start.
  • Fyreside
    Fyreside Posts: 444 Member
    lizery wrote: »
    We haven't had a mass shooting since.
    Not one.

    Just thought it fair to point out on balance we never had one before that either. And interestingly enough we have way more guns in Australia now than before the 90's gun buyback.

    The Port Arthur Tragedy was one of mental illness, which ironically our government spends less on now than it ever has. While all our gun laws did was make honest people turn in their guns. The criminals didn't, and they have more guns than ever.

    So I guess based on that, we've just been lucky.
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