The Onion is really going in after this Vegas thing..

distinctlybeautiful · October 2017

What do you think?

beagletracks · October 2017

They use these same headlines every time there’s a mass shooting in the US. They’ve gotten a lot of use.

I think your thread will be closed shortly because this is what’s considered a divisive political topic by MFP, best discussed in private groups or with friends.

I am disgusted and saddened by everything about this and think the Onion’s satire is on point.

WorkerDrone83 · October 2017

How is this a divisive topic, though? I'm pretty sure we can all agree that mass shootings are bad.

beagletracks · October 2017

Yes, you’re right. Everyone on MFP probably agrees about how this latest horrific tragedy demonstrates the necessity of more stringent gun control in the US. We had a productive talk about it in another thread yesterday that did not turn ugly or get moderated.

WorkerDrone83 · October 2017

peppermintpudgy wrote: »

Yes, you’re right. Everyone on MFP probably agrees about how this latest horrific tragedy demonstrates the necessity of more stringent gun control in the US. We had a productive talk about it in another thread yesterday that did not turn ugly or get moderated.

Haha. OK. I see your point.
I think it's interesting how quickly the topic of gun control comes up (which really is divisive). Nobody wants to talk about mental illness or any other possible factors.

pinuplove · October 2017

cabronlobos wrote: »

I'm not trying to bait anyone here, I seriously would like to know, what gun law could have prevented that man from killing and injuring all those people in Las Vegas? I am for anyway from preventing something like that from ever happening again.....but I know of no law that matters if you plan on breaking it anyway.

I'm interested to see how he obtained the weapons he used. As of yesterday I hadn't seen that reported. Regardless, a horrifying tragedy yet again.

crackpotbaby · October 2017

In the mid 90s 36 Australians (including children?were killed in a mass shooting at Port Arthur, a Tasmanian tourist destination.

I'm the following months and years Oz saw sweeping gun reforms and buy back/amnesty.

We haven't had a mass shooting since.
Not one.

That's not to say it will never happen again. However, changes in legislation and public attitudes to gun ownership/use have certainly played a part in 20 years without a mass shooting occurring in this country.

..........

There is a rising gun culture in some parts of the country with an increase in gun violence. Australia is currently running another gun amnesty where people can hand in unwanted or unregistered weapons without prosecution.

MellowGa · October 2017

better weapons now, more powerful, more accurate

browneyedgirl749 · October 2017

cabronlobos wrote: »

pinuplove wrote: »

cabronlobos wrote: »

I'm not trying to bait anyone here, I seriously would like to know, what gun law could have prevented that man from killing and injuring all those people in Las Vegas? I am for anyway from preventing something like that from ever happening again.....but I know of no law that matters if you plan on breaking it anyway.

I'm interested to see how he obtained the weapons he used. As of yesterday I hadn't seen that reported. Regardless, a horrifying tragedy yet again.

I think the weapon he used was fully automatic which is illegal to own. He may have modified it to be that way, I don't think it's been disclosed.

There was a question asked on the news last night that didn't get answered....why are there more of these gun massacres today then there were in the past? Gun laws are more stringent today then they were 20 or 30 yrs ago.....so why now?

You can ask the same question for a lot of things... 20 or 30 years ago you didn't hear much, if any, about gluten allergies. Now it's everywhere. You didn't hear much about autism, bipolar disorder, ADHD, but it's more common now. And something I've been saying for a while... gun laws will not keep guns out of the hands of criminals. If they can't get it legally, they'll get them illegally.

pinuplove · October 2017

cabronlobos wrote: »

pinuplove wrote: »

cabronlobos wrote: »

I'm not trying to bait anyone here, I seriously would like to know, what gun law could have prevented that man from killing and injuring all those people in Las Vegas? I am for anyway from preventing something like that from ever happening again.....but I know of no law that matters if you plan on breaking it anyway.

I'm interested to see how he obtained the weapons he used. As of yesterday I hadn't seen that reported. Regardless, a horrifying tragedy yet again.

I think the weapon he used was fully automatic which is illegal to own. He may have modified it to be that way, I don't think it's been disclosed.

There was a question asked on the news last night that didn't get answered....why are there more of these gun massacres today then there were in the past? Gun laws are more stringent today then they were 20 or 30 yrs ago.....so why now?

I literally just finished reading an article that said they found two bump stocks that effectively modify semi to full auto in his room https://www.yahoo.com/news/las-vegas-gunman-used-bump-stock-device-speed-021446529.html

I don't think anyone had the answer to the why's. Violent culture, mental illness, increased media exposure and the sick desire to go down in history probably all factor in.

beagletracks · October 2017

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/6-things-to-know-about-mass-shootings-in-america/

distinctlybeautiful · October 2017

I didn't even read these as shots at gun control..

Corprina · October 2017

I think it's more control over the people. Take our guns away and they have succeeded. My thoughts and prayers for those who have lost loved ones in this tragically sick horrific event.

jdlobb · October 2017

Bill O'Reilly basically said EXACTLY the same thing as the first headline, but completely un-sarcastically.

SomebodyWakeUpHIcks · October 2017

Saw this. Interesting.

Riddle me this:

A retired 64 year old multimillionaire who spends his days traveling to Vegas and Dubai with his Asian girlfriend for gambling, lives in a half million dollar house, is a pilot who owns two airplanes, and hunts big game in Alaska, decides to commit a mass shooting at a Jason Aldean concert and then commit suicide when the cops arrive. He has no military experience.

He manages to exquisitely plan his attack. He books two connecting rooms that offer multiple firing positions overlooking the concert months in advance while his girlfriend just happens to book a trip to the Philippines at the same time. He books them in her name so that his name, as a big time gambler, won't trigger the casino's computer and give him comps and draw attention to him. He acquires automatic weapons somehow and knows enough to put tripods and optics on them. He moves it all up to the hotel room three days in advance and keeps it hidden from housekeeping. He brings a tool to smash the windows instead of shooting through them. He does enough recon on site to realize they close all of the entrances to the concert area but one at 10 so he starts shooting at just after 10 so people have fewer exits to escape through.

He even thinks of perimeter security and sets up GoPros connected to a tablet so he can watch for the police to arrive.

Then he starts shooting. At this point, despite such detailed planning, he starts making mistakes. He sustains fire until the drum is empty instead of firing controlled bursts, degrading the effectiveness of his fire. He only has one drum and then has to switch to 30 round magazines. That means more time reloading and less time shooting. His room is too high up which increases distance to target and makes his fire more plunging than grazing and degrading its effectiveness.

He doesn't know how to use an automatic weapon: how can someone who knows nothing about something so fundamental be able to plan the rest of the operation in such precise detail?

The Onion is really going in after this Vegas thing..

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