The Onion is really going in after this Vegas thing..

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  • SomebodyWakeUpHIcks
    SomebodyWakeUpHIcks Posts: 3,836 Member
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    zachbonner_ wrote: »
    SomebodyWakeUpHIcks wrote: »
    Saw this. Interesting.
    Riddle me this:

    A retired 64 year old multimillionaire who spends his days traveling to Vegas and Dubai with his Asian girlfriend for gambling, lives in a half million dollar house, is a pilot who owns two airplanes, and hunts big game in Alaska, decides to commit a mass shooting at a Jason Aldean concert and then commit suicide when the cops arrive. He has no military experience.

    He manages to exquisitely plan his attack. He books two connecting rooms that offer multiple firing positions overlooking the concert months in advance while his girlfriend just happens to book a trip to the Philippines at the same time. He books them in her name so that his name, as a big time gambler, won't trigger the casino's computer and give him comps and draw attention to him. He acquires automatic weapons somehow and knows enough to put tripods and optics on them. He moves it all up to the hotel room three days in advance and keeps it hidden from housekeeping. He brings a tool to smash the windows instead of shooting through them. He does enough recon on site to realize they close all of the entrances to the concert area but one at 10 so he starts shooting at just after 10 so people have fewer exits to escape through.

    He even thinks of perimeter security and sets up GoPros connected to a tablet so he can watch for the police to arrive.

    Then he starts shooting. At this point, despite such detailed planning, he starts making mistakes. He sustains fire until the drum is empty instead of firing controlled bursts, degrading the effectiveness of his fire. He only has one drum and then has to switch to 30 round magazines. That means more time reloading and less time shooting. His room is too high up which increases distance to target and makes his fire more plunging than grazing and degrading its effectiveness.

    He doesn't know how to use an automatic weapon: how can someone who knows nothing about something so fundamental be able to plan the rest of the operation in such precise detail?

    That's a deep rabbit hole I have no time to go into

    But you must.
  • Corprina
    Corprina Posts: 215 Member
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    Why would they close all the entrances but one at 10 when the concert was almost over? Seriously, they were sitting ducks at that point. I don't see how one man did this alone. He either had others helping OR there is something way more sinister going on. I really fear it's the latter!
  • Motorsheen
    Motorsheen Posts: 20,492 Member
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    85 guns for every 100 Americans ....

    The toothpaste is out of the tube,
  • jdlobb
    jdlobb Posts: 1,232 Member
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    So we're going with the "mass murder is an acceptable price to pay for freedom" reasoning then. Ok
  • marelthu
    marelthu Posts: 184 Member
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    pinuplove wrote: »
    cabronlobos wrote: »
    I'm not trying to bait anyone here, I seriously would like to know, what gun law could have prevented that man from killing and injuring all those people in Las Vegas? I am for anyway from preventing something like that from ever happening again.....but I know of no law that matters if you plan on breaking it anyway.

    I'm interested to see how he obtained the weapons he used. As of yesterday I hadn't seen that reported. Regardless, a horrifying tragedy yet again.

    A gun law that bans people from buying and owning such weapons would be a good start.
  • Fyreside
    Fyreside Posts: 444 Member
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    lizery wrote: »
    We haven't had a mass shooting since.
    Not one.

    Just thought it fair to point out on balance we never had one before that either. And interestingly enough we have way more guns in Australia now than before the 90's gun buyback.

    The Port Arthur Tragedy was one of mental illness, which ironically our government spends less on now than it ever has. While all our gun laws did was make honest people turn in their guns. The criminals didn't, and they have more guns than ever.

    So I guess based on that, we've just been lucky.
  • Motorsheen
    Motorsheen Posts: 20,492 Member
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    Cutaway_Collar wrote: »
    I don’t believe in encroaching into the citizenry’s second amendment rights. It only causes sectarian strife.

    Remember Sandy Hook. Even that didn’t change gun laws much.

    Move on. The law needs to put checks and balances to ensure psychos are monitored. How was he able to smuggle that much up to the hotel. Hotels have a lot of money. What happened to security and arms detectors? I mean nobody can smuggle arms into an aeroplane right?

    So, off the cuff.... what is Mandalay Bay's liability in all of this?

    I image that entire floor of the hotel will be turned into a storage space.
  • rickiimarieee
    rickiimarieee Posts: 2,212 Member
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    I think they need to treat hotels or large buildings the same as they would an airport, scan the people and the bags that come in. Especially in large cities. That could save a lot of lives. Check for guns, bombs, stuff to make bombs.
  • rickiimarieee
    rickiimarieee Posts: 2,212 Member
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    And also the point on gun control is, if you watched the video, it had an automatic fire. Which automatic guns are extremely extremely hard to get. Only government, law and military personnel can get those and the time and background checks you have to go through are extensive. I just don't really see how we can further up the control on guns without taking away from the bill of rights and taking away guns.
  • rickiimarieee
    rickiimarieee Posts: 2,212 Member
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    I really just don't understand how the man carried 23 riffles with him and someone not catch it.
  • rickiimarieee
    rickiimarieee Posts: 2,212 Member
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    Plus ammo
  • rickiimarieee
    rickiimarieee Posts: 2,212 Member
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    @zachbonner_ oh that I did not know, I knew he lived in Nevada but I didn't know he was setting up for days.
  • Fyreside
    Fyreside Posts: 444 Member
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    Lets be careful what we wish for? Checkpoints at hotels... then what. On the bus, at the movies, checkpoints at the park, checkpoints at the office. The subway and the mall.. It's just one step away from having us all chipped and barcoded with scanners and cameras at every corner. Didn't we spend billions on the cold war based on valuing our freedom in the face of a regime that tracked and controlled its citizens?

    And even if more checkpoints and security is the answer. Who is going to man these points? More budget rentacops? the TSA clocks over 10000 complaints a year for missing or damaged property and shells out millions in settlement because even it agrees with a third of those complaints. That's not even considering all the other allegations of impropriety leveled against their officers.

    I'm not making light of the situation and I respect that times like these call for the hard questions to be asked. I'm just wary of laws that effect the many made purely based on the actions of the few.
  • jdlobb
    jdlobb Posts: 1,232 Member
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    lavinia_whateley_goals wrote: »
    Cutaway_Collar wrote: »
    I don’t believe in encroaching into the citizenry’s second amendment rights. It only causes sectarian strife.

    Remember Sandy Hook. Even that didn’t change gun laws much.

    Move on. The law needs to put checks and balances to ensure psychos are monitored. How was he able to smuggle that much up to the hotel. Hotels have a lot of money. What happened to security and arms detectors? I mean nobody can smuggle arms into an aeroplane right?

    I wonder if there will be Mandalay Bay Massacre deniers

    Alex Jones and his crowd are already at it. It's sick.
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