The Onion is really going in after this Vegas thing..

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  • Motorsheen
    Motorsheen Posts: 20,508 Member
    Cutaway_Collar wrote: »
    I don’t believe in encroaching into the citizenry’s second amendment rights. It only causes sectarian strife.

    Remember Sandy Hook. Even that didn’t change gun laws much.

    Move on. The law needs to put checks and balances to ensure psychos are monitored. How was he able to smuggle that much up to the hotel. Hotels have a lot of money. What happened to security and arms detectors? I mean nobody can smuggle arms into an aeroplane right?

    So, off the cuff.... what is Mandalay Bay's liability in all of this?

    I image that entire floor of the hotel will be turned into a storage space.
  • rickiimarieee
    rickiimarieee Posts: 2,212 Member
    I think they need to treat hotels or large buildings the same as they would an airport, scan the people and the bags that come in. Especially in large cities. That could save a lot of lives. Check for guns, bombs, stuff to make bombs.
  • rickiimarieee
    rickiimarieee Posts: 2,212 Member
    And also the point on gun control is, if you watched the video, it had an automatic fire. Which automatic guns are extremely extremely hard to get. Only government, law and military personnel can get those and the time and background checks you have to go through are extensive. I just don't really see how we can further up the control on guns without taking away from the bill of rights and taking away guns.
  • rickiimarieee
    rickiimarieee Posts: 2,212 Member
    I really just don't understand how the man carried 23 riffles with him and someone not catch it.
  • rickiimarieee
    rickiimarieee Posts: 2,212 Member
    Plus ammo
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  • rickiimarieee
    rickiimarieee Posts: 2,212 Member
    @zachbonner_ oh that I did not know, I knew he lived in Nevada but I didn't know he was setting up for days.
  • Fyreside
    Fyreside Posts: 444 Member
    Lets be careful what we wish for? Checkpoints at hotels... then what. On the bus, at the movies, checkpoints at the park, checkpoints at the office. The subway and the mall.. It's just one step away from having us all chipped and barcoded with scanners and cameras at every corner. Didn't we spend billions on the cold war based on valuing our freedom in the face of a regime that tracked and controlled its citizens?

    And even if more checkpoints and security is the answer. Who is going to man these points? More budget rentacops? the TSA clocks over 10000 complaints a year for missing or damaged property and shells out millions in settlement because even it agrees with a third of those complaints. That's not even considering all the other allegations of impropriety leveled against their officers.

    I'm not making light of the situation and I respect that times like these call for the hard questions to be asked. I'm just wary of laws that effect the many made purely based on the actions of the few.
  • jdlobb
    jdlobb Posts: 1,232 Member
    lavinia_whateley_goals wrote: »
    Cutaway_Collar wrote: »
    I don’t believe in encroaching into the citizenry’s second amendment rights. It only causes sectarian strife.

    Remember Sandy Hook. Even that didn’t change gun laws much.

    Move on. The law needs to put checks and balances to ensure psychos are monitored. How was he able to smuggle that much up to the hotel. Hotels have a lot of money. What happened to security and arms detectors? I mean nobody can smuggle arms into an aeroplane right?

    I wonder if there will be Mandalay Bay Massacre deniers

    Alex Jones and his crowd are already at it. It's sick.
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  • rickiimarieee
    rickiimarieee Posts: 2,212 Member
    I don't know why the world is so hateful, what fills the heart with so much hate that you just want to take innocent lives?
    I will never understand it.
  • SomebodyWakeUpHIcks
    SomebodyWakeUpHIcks Posts: 3,836 Member
    edited October 2017
    Chicago has strict gun laws
  • tiffaninghs
    tiffaninghs Posts: 200 Member
    SomebodyWakeUpHIcks wrote: »
    Saw this. Interesting.
    Riddle me this:

    A retired 64 year old multimillionaire who spends his days traveling to Vegas and Dubai with his Asian girlfriend for gambling, lives in a half million dollar house, is a pilot who owns two airplanes, and hunts big game in Alaska, decides to commit a mass shooting at a Jason Aldean concert and then commit suicide when the cops arrive. He has no military experience.

    He manages to exquisitely plan his attack. He books two connecting rooms that offer multiple firing positions overlooking the concert months in advance while his girlfriend just happens to book a trip to the Philippines at the same time. He books them in her name so that his name, as a big time gambler, won't trigger the casino's computer and give him comps and draw attention to him. He acquires automatic weapons somehow and knows enough to put tripods and optics on them. He moves it all up to the hotel room three days in advance and keeps it hidden from housekeeping. He brings a tool to smash the windows instead of shooting through them. He does enough recon on site to realize they close all of the entrances to the concert area but one at 10 so he starts shooting at just after 10 so people have fewer exits to escape through.

    He even thinks of perimeter security and sets up GoPros connected to a tablet so he can watch for the police to arrive.

    Then he starts shooting. At this point, despite such detailed planning, he starts making mistakes. He sustains fire until the drum is empty instead of firing controlled bursts, degrading the effectiveness of his fire. He only has one drum and then has to switch to 30 round magazines. That means more time reloading and less time shooting. His room is too high up which increases distance to target and makes his fire more plunging than grazing and degrading its effectiveness.

    He doesn't know how to use an automatic weapon: how can someone who knows nothing about something so fundamental be able to plan the rest of the operation in such precise detail?

    can i save this somehow?
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  • Motorsheen
    Motorsheen Posts: 20,508 Member
    Caporegiem wrote: »
    Cutaway_Collar wrote: »
    What real problem? The country is already polarized like nuts and gun debate is “truly” the need of the hour!

    It is only a matter of time. In a city like NY, this can be copycatted by terrorists or other nutjobs. Hotels do not place much emphasis on security. None of them. It is truly scary how lax they are. And they need to start installing airport level security personnel and equipment.

    Can confirm, I walked in the Holiday Inn here one morning and grabbed a blueberry muffin without being a guest of the hotel.

    You're a Monster.
  • Caporegiem
    Caporegiem Posts: 4,297 Member
    MeeseeksAndDestroy wrote: »
    Cutaway_Collar wrote: »
    I don’t believe in encroaching into the citizenry’s second amendment rights. It only causes sectarian strife.

    Remember Sandy Hook. Even that didn’t change gun laws much.

    Move on. The law needs to put checks and balances to ensure psychos are monitored. How was he able to smuggle that much up to the hotel. Hotels have a lot of money. What happened to security and arms detectors? I mean nobody can smuggle arms into an aeroplane right?

    CT did ban high capacity rifles a year later

    They also banned magazines that hold more than 10 rounds but grandfathered in those that people already owned (assuming people will register them) The difficulty in enforcing that is proving when someone acquired the magazines.
  • jdlobb
    jdlobb Posts: 1,232 Member
    SomebodyWakeUpHIcks wrote: »
    Chicago has strict gun laws

    But Indiana doesn't, which pretty much completely renders Chicago's laws pointless. Local gun regulation will always be pointless when jurisdictions with lax laws are an hour away
  • SomebodyWakeUpHIcks
    SomebodyWakeUpHIcks Posts: 3,836 Member
    jdlobb wrote: »
    SomebodyWakeUpHIcks wrote: »
    Chicago has strict gun laws

    But Indiana doesn't, which pretty much completely renders Chicago's laws pointless. Local gun regulation will always be pointless when jurisdictions with lax laws are an hour away

    So what you're saying is that people who want to get guns will get them, right?
  • browneyedgirl749
    browneyedgirl749 Posts: 4,984 Member
    To a certain extent, I do believe there should be stricter gun laws. In VA, it is not required you register a fire arm. I did, however, when I got mine, because I will be taking the class to get my conceal carry permit. The law can be stricter by making all gun owners register their guns.

    Law makers can pass as many laws as they want about getting stricter gun laws, but as I said, and many others said, if people want a gun, they'll get it, legally or illegally. And people are smart. They can ban automatic weapons, but people will figure out how to turn a semi automatic into an automatic. It's the same way as people making home made bombs with simple cleaning supplies. Evil people will go to extra lengths to pull off events like this.
  • SomebodyWakeUpHIcks
    SomebodyWakeUpHIcks Posts: 3,836 Member
    @browneyedgirl749 wrote: »
    To a certain extent, I do believe there should be stricter gun laws. In VA, it is not required you register a fire arm. I did, however, when I got mine, because I will be taking the class to get my conceal carry permit. The law can be stricter by making all gun owners register their guns.

    Law makers can pass as many laws as they want about getting stricter gun laws, but as I said, and many others said, if people want a gun, they'll get it, legally or illegally. And people are smart. They can ban automatic weapons, but people will figure out how to turn a semi automatic into an automatic. It's the same way as people making home made bombs with simple cleaning supplies. Evil people will go to extra lengths to pull off events like this.

    Here is the argument against that (not saying its right or wrong): Why would the gov't want a list of all gun owners? What purpose would that serve? It is so they track who they consider a threat? Who might resist a change in gov't?
  • Motorsheen
    Motorsheen Posts: 20,508 Member
    SomebodyWakeUpHIcks wrote: »
    @browneyedgirl749 wrote: »
    To a certain extent, I do believe there should be stricter gun laws. In VA, it is not required you register a fire arm. I did, however, when I got mine, because I will be taking the class to get my conceal carry permit. The law can be stricter by making all gun owners register their guns.

    Law makers can pass as many laws as they want about getting stricter gun laws, but as I said, and many others said, if people want a gun, they'll get it, legally or illegally. And people are smart. They can ban automatic weapons, but people will figure out how to turn a semi automatic into an automatic. It's the same way as people making home made bombs with simple cleaning supplies. Evil people will go to extra lengths to pull off events like this.

    Here is the argument against that (not saying its right or wrong): Why would the gov't want a list of all gun owners? What purpose would that serve? It is so they track who they consider a threat? Who might resist a change in gov't?

    This: The law can be stricter by making all gun owners register their guns.

    Should Read: The law can be stricter by making all law abiding gun owners register their guns.


    to see the problem here isn't much of a stretch.... and, laws that are simply 'symbolism over substance' don't help anyone.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    rickiimarieee wrote: »
    @zachbonner_ oh that I did not know, I knew he lived in Nevada but I didn't know he was setting up for days.

    That, and Las Vegas has gun shows pretty much every weekend with people coming from all over...I'm sure many of them check into hotels with their guns for the show.
  • Motorsheen
    Motorsheen Posts: 20,508 Member
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    rickiimarieee wrote: »
    @zachbonner_ oh that I did not know, I knew he lived in Nevada but I didn't know he was setting up for days.

    That, and Las Vegas has gun shows pretty much every weekend with people coming from all over...I'm sure many of them check into hotels with their guns for the show.

    Think of all of the conventions that roll thru Las Vegas / Mandalay Bay (heck, I've attended several there).

    There's only about one million square feet of convention space there and the casinos are linked together, right?

    Mandalay Bay to Luxor to..... I don't know where.

    To bring in weapons would probably have been the least of his worries.
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