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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »You look fab in that dress, Nony!
Thank you
Some dewby perv thought so too apparently. This is why I seldom post anything like that in the forums...0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »... I need approval to post?
nvm.. past 2 replies just went straight to hell.
There are certain phrases and number combinations that will get caught in the spam filter. It's because the spam filter has to use phrase to eliminate the literal crap tons of spam. So when it gets caught, don't freak. Mods review and approve them regularly.
haha, I will retract my comment about the filter then
To be fair, I haven't seen any of the voodoo witchdoctor ones with the phone numbers in a long time (touch wood, anti jinx).
There are about 40 or 50 different number/word combinations to address the issue. We actually check each day and add more daily/weekly. Ever since we started doing that, the spam has significantly decreased. We have also given a handful of people a special capability to nuke spam immediately.6 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »... I need approval to post?
nvm.. past 2 replies just went straight to hell.
There are certain phrases and number combinations that will get caught in the spam filter. It's because the spam filter has to use phrase to eliminate the literal crap tons of spam. So when it gets caught, don't freak. Mods review and approve them regularly.
haha, I will retract my comment about the filter then To be fair, I haven't seen any of the voodoo witchdoctor ones with the phone numbers in a long time (touch wood, anti jinx).
There are about 40 or 50 different number/word combinations to address the issue. We actually check each day and add more daily/weekly. Ever since we started doing that, the spam has significantly decreased. We have also given a handful of people a special capability to nuke spam immediately.
If you need a 'while the US sleeps' person to help with that, let me know. I flag what gets through in the evenings (my time), but it takes five and there's not many people around often.2 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »... I need approval to post?
nvm.. past 2 replies just went straight to hell.
There are certain phrases and number combinations that will get caught in the spam filter. It's because the spam filter has to use phrase to eliminate the literal crap tons of spam. So when it gets caught, don't freak. Mods review and approve them regularly.
haha, I will retract my comment about the filter then To be fair, I haven't seen any of the voodoo witchdoctor ones with the phone numbers in a long time (touch wood, anti jinx).
There are about 40 or 50 different number/word combinations to address the issue. We actually check each day and add more daily/weekly. Ever since we started doing that, the spam has significantly decreased. We have also given a handful of people a special capability to nuke spam immediately.
If you need a 'while the US sleeps' person to help with that, let me know. I flag what gets through in the evenings (my time), but it takes five and there's not many people around often.
Thanks. We'll let you know if they need more.2 -
... I need approval to post?
nvm.. past 2 replies just went straight to hell.
There are certain phrases and number combinations that will get caught in the spam filter. It's because the spam filter has to use phrase to eliminate the literal crap tons of spam. So when it gets caught, don't freak. Mods review and approve them regularly.
Basically, I've hit the spam jackpot. Could also be my inability to keep responses concise = more words used = more risk of hitting the combination lol (°ロ°)☝bmeadows380 wrote: »
You've done well to lose the excess weight and that's the most important thing. I suppose I'm a "recovering" T2 diabetic, since I reversed it, though my A1C is still a running 5.2-5.3% (~95mg/dL), which is technically okay, though it could be better. In the context of macro composition, % ranges don't quite explain the actual amount of grams per macro you're consuming.
The percentage is a reflection of macro calories eaten within the total number of calories you consume; i.e. on a 2000kcal/day diet, 45% carbs reflects 900kcal / 4kcal/g = 225g carbs, 30% protein = 600kcal / 4kcal/g = 150g protein, 25% fat = 500kcal / 9kcal/g = 55.55g fat.
The actual grams consumed per macro are going to change based on your total caloric intake. Taken to the extreme, eating 1g of carbs for the entire day of 4kcal = 100% carbs.
The funny thing is that no one can agree on what a Mediterranean diet is lol. It's either a higher fat/protein diet comprised of olive oil, fatty fish, meats and cheeses .... or it's a higher carb/higher fat focused on pasta, grains, seafood, vegetables, and oils. No one can determine its exact diet, and nutritional science researchers will argue amongst themselves to debate it.
HDL levels can be increased through the consumption of naturally occurring sources of dietary fat, so going too lean by way of proteins, legumes, cooking methods, etc may just keep HDL the same. Physical activity also improve HDL levels, though you don't want to focus solely on the method of cardio enthusiast, but moderate intensity activity overall does help.
Finally to answer the question of fatty liver, ectopic and visceral fat (organ and deep trunk fat, respectively) are actually the first to go when fat loss regimens are implemented. Subcutaneous adipose tissue (the fat we see in the mirror) is the last to go, and always the most stubborn. So in terms of cholesterol panels, there would be a fluctuation due to the release of fatty acids in blood circulation, however, their oxidation sites are going to vary. The heart actually thrives on fatty acids for fuel and many of the lipoproteins serve to get oxidized in cardiac muscle cells. Skeletal muscle can also oxidize much of the fatty acids when glucose and glycogen become low, but when insulin resistance is taken into account, fatty acids may bypass them to get sent to the liver and packaged as triglycerides for storage.
The actual measurement taken for cholesterol is what's currently in circulation and not what's being used/stored, so losing fat can manipulate those numbers somewhat, but again that's just a snapshot in time of the current concentration in the blood.
I was having problems with disappearing posts too. I had this one typed up, thought I lost it, then typed it again only to find the original showing up!
I have never been diagnosed as either diabetic or pre-diabetic, but I figured with my family history, my risk was pretty high. I am hoping that losing the weight will help stave it off that much longer.
Is there a physiological difference for folks when it comes to diabetes if they've been diabetics and reversed it with diet and exercise and those who have never been diagnosed? I've seen articles that do say there's other such differences between people who lose a lot of weight to get to a certain number and people who never were obese to begin with and are at that weight. I was just wondering if blood sugar was one of those differences.
Yeah, I've seen how "flexible" the definition of a Mediterranean diet is, especially when looking for decent cook books! When I say Mediterranean, I'm probably going more toward the higher carb/higher fat version - I'm using real butter and olive oil (sparingly though due to calorie content) and eat fatty fish like salmon, chicken, some pork and beef, and try for whole grains and vegetables. I'll have potatoes once in a while for variety - basically, I'm shooting for a variety of whole foods and trying to get further away from quick meals and eating out all the time. Some things I naturally cut down on just because of the calorie counts - potatoes, for one, pastas, cheeses,trading cream dressings for vinaigrettes, etc - though I haven't cut those items completely; I just try to eat them in moderation to keep my calorie counts down.
I'm set for 1400 calories, but I think I'm routinely getting 1500 in a day. I haven't seen much of a drop since the diet break ended 2 weeks ago; I ended at 280.9 lb and have made it to 278,7 lbs after 2 weeks, but TOM is just around the corner, and I'm still spending most evenings painting the house.
Hmm. I go and look at the report for my fats/protein/carbs intake for the last 30 days, and apparently, I'm eating more fat than I thought I was - according to the chart, I've been eating over my fat goal pretty consistently. Carbs are balancing out surprisingly not that far above goal; of course, protein gets close but I rarely actually go over that goal, so I guess I really am eating a more high fat/high carb diet. Which leaves me a little confused, because my HDL has been flat and has not increased.
Ah well - thank you for the explanations! I had definitely not expected the increases and was rather surprised by it initially!
The physiology for diabetes development is relatively the same, but at best theoretical (adipose model of diabetes) since what specifically triggers the threshold for insulin resistance to develop is still being studied; e.g. why some lean people develop IR (insulin resistance) quickly (lipodystrophy) while some obese people can remain IS (insulin sensitive) and pack away more into new fat cells (adipose hyperplasia), but the underlying concept is that fat cells (adipocytes) that are still able to contain and store more triglyerides and glucose are protective against developing metabolic syndrome (IR, diabetes, etc.).
Obesity is the price paid for protection against fat accumulation around the organs. If your liver is capable of pumping out baby fat cells to store more and more fat, you could potentially store an infinite amount - think of a tub of caviar or bunches of grapes. Some people aren't able to create more baby fat cells as rapidly, so excess fat gets shoved into the pre-existing ones and they begin to grow larger in size - think water balloon swelling. Once those adipocytes start swelling (adipose hypertrophy) to the point where more insulin is needed to just hold in the fatty substrate, then that's when insulin resistance begins. Fatty acids get blocked from entering fat cells and need to get stored somewhere > muscle and organs if nowhere else is available > fatty liver > fatty pancreas > beta cell stress > diabetes.
So, how does it relate to glucose? If insulin's job is to regulate fatty acid traffic so that other substrates (amino acids and glucose) can get where they need to go, and there's misdirected traffic or a traffic jam, then glucose stays circulating in the bloodstream until it can find a place to go = elevated blood glucose measurement. It is the constantly elevated circulation of glucose that is problematic as it will start clogging up the smaller venous portals like capillaries in the eyes (retinopathy), kidneys (nephropathy), and toes/fingers (neuropathy).
Now, you can actually be an undiagnosed diabetic, and actually have it or at least there might be some symptoms, but not to the point of "officially" being diagnosed. If a never diabetic shows symptoms vs a former diabetic who reversed their symptoms are physiologically the same (both are either intolerant or sensitive to glucose disposal), except the diabetic may have had some beta cell damage depending on the severity of their diabetes. In any case, a former diabetic is the most susceptible to recurring symptoms since they have a self history. Family history is an increased risk, more so if both sides of the family have a history.5 -
Officially done with deficit. Do not care what the scale says under the water weight.
Am I out of the club now??11 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Officially done with deficit. Do not care what the scale says under the water weight.
Am I out of the club now??
Honey, you OWN the house.7 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Officially done with deficit. Do not care what the scale says under the water weight.
Am I out of the club now??
Honey, you OWN the house.
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I suppose my announcement of being 'at goal' should have been slightly more elated than that, shouldn't it?9
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I'm more proud of the assertion for "not caring about what the scale says under water weight"
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Meanwhile, the tediousness for planning what to eat to get into an actual surplus during the work/training week is half aggravating since I've stocked my fridge with so much nutrient dense food that I may need to just start buying fast food lol.6 -
I'm more proud of the assertion for "not caring about what the scale says under water weight" (｡◕‿◕｡)
Haha, well yes, that is a big step for me. Though possibly made easier by the fact I only set that lower goal, what? A month ago? So not too fixated on it.
Also, tired (less than 4 hours sleep), grumpy, slightly itchy and dry feeling...
Anyway, you all know what I said my cut off was, so cutting off. I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful, 100%.2 -
Happy for you and jealous, heh. I am sat here giving myself a pep talk. I only have two weeks until diet break (I will have two weeks tomorrow (Friday) as my last deficit day before Christmas but I am OVER IT. At the same time I have been so consistent for the first time since the new year that I am impressed with myself and want to fully see it through. Because I have to get to goal reasonably soon or I will drive myself even more bonkers than I already am.6
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I should be happy, and I know that. And I'm sure I will be once I'm not sleep deprived. And I know this is going to sound dumb, but I kind of feel like I was robbed with this last bit, because it was completely unintentional. Like I didn't work for it and therefore don't deserve it yet.
Told you, dumb.5 -
Congratulations Nony! You are rocking that dress too. 1
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »I should be happy, and I know that. And I'm sure I will be once I'm not sleep deprived. And I know this is going to sound dumb, but I kind of feel like I was robbed with this last bit, because it was completely unintentional. Like I didn't work for it and therefore don't deserve it yet.
Told you, dumb.
Yeah, it's a bit irrational, but I understand it.
I can understand that this is not how you envisioned hitting goal, but still.
Here it is, and that's awesome.7 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Happy for you and jealous, heh. I am sat here giving myself a pep talk. I only have two weeks until diet break (I will have two weeks tomorrow (Friday) as my last deficit day before Christmas but I am OVER IT. At the same time I have been so consistent for the first time since the new year that I am impressed with myself and want to fully see it through. Because I have to get to goal reasonably soon or I will drive myself even more bonkers than I already am.
You will get there
I feel bad for being such a Debby Downer when I know others are gritting their teeth and kicking the scales.
I need to work out what all this means in terms of cals and strength training etc. Obviously I want to see the whole of Strong Curves through (if I can make it past Day 1 of week 4 ffs) and build strength, but in terms of fat loss I'm at a yeah, nah stage. 'Cept my thighs. Are we sure I can't spot reduce?
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »I should be happy, and I know that. And I'm sure I will be once I'm not sleep deprived. And I know this is going to sound dumb, but I kind of feel like I was robbed with this last bit, because it was completely unintentional. Like I didn't work for it and therefore don't deserve it yet.
Told you, dumb.
Yeah, it's a bit irrational, but I understand it.
I can understand that this is not how you envisioned hitting goal, but still.
Here it is, and that's awesome.
It was meant to be "look, I did this really smart thing of controlling for AT and minimising LBM loss, and..." and instead it's "oh hey, I got a really sucky rash and burned a billion calories generating it and the weight just fell off!"
Pfft.
Okay, grow up, Nony. Smile, be happy. It is awesome, I have learned a *kitten* ton in the last two months, I've made strength gains, I look pretty damn good, and I made a decision about where to stop based on how I look and feel (okay, sorta, there's some assumption, but based on where I was pre-mother of all eczema flares), not a number on a stupid piece of metal and plastic and wires.
And of course there is all of you guys
I think maybe it's that this is the smallest I've gotten sensibly in, like, ever (excluding tubby teen weight loss).9 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »I should be happy, and I know that. And I'm sure I will be once I'm not sleep deprived. And I know this is going to sound dumb, but I kind of feel like I was robbed with this last bit, because it was completely unintentional. Like I didn't work for it and therefore don't deserve it yet.
Told you, dumb.
Yeah, it's a bit irrational, but I understand it.
I can understand that this is not how you envisioned hitting goal, but still.
Here it is, and that's awesome.
It was meant to be "look, I did this really smart thing of controlling for AT and minimising LBM loss, and..." and instead it's "oh hey, I got a really sucky rash and burned a billion calories generating it and the weight just fell off!"
Pfft.
Okay, grow up, Nony. Smile, be happy. It is awesome, I have learned a *kitten* ton in the last two months, I've made strength gains, I look pretty damn good, and I made a decision about where to stop based on how I look and feel (okay, sorta, there's some assumption, but based on where I was pre-mother of all eczema flares), not a number on a stupid piece of metal and plastic and wires.
And of course there is all of you guys
I think maybe it's that this is the smallest I've gotten sensibly in, like, ever (excluding tubby teen weight loss).
There you go. Exactly the sorts of things I would see you saying to someone else. Well, maybe not "grow up" lol. It's tough when you are feeling so rubbish and sleep-deprived. That's temporary, but all the valuable things you have learnt are here to stay!2 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »I should be happy, and I know that. And I'm sure I will be once I'm not sleep deprived. And I know this is going to sound dumb, but I kind of feel like I was robbed with this last bit, because it was completely unintentional. Like I didn't work for it and therefore don't deserve it yet.
Told you, dumb.
Yup!
You worked hard for this over a long time. I am celebrating for you! Congrats!!4 -
JoLightensUp wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »I should be happy, and I know that. And I'm sure I will be once I'm not sleep deprived. And I know this is going to sound dumb, but I kind of feel like I was robbed with this last bit, because it was completely unintentional. Like I didn't work for it and therefore don't deserve it yet.
Told you, dumb.
Yeah, it's a bit irrational, but I understand it.
I can understand that this is not how you envisioned hitting goal, but still.
Here it is, and that's awesome.
It was meant to be "look, I did this really smart thing of controlling for AT and minimising LBM loss, and..." and instead it's "oh hey, I got a really sucky rash and burned a billion calories generating it and the weight just fell off!"
Pfft.
Okay, grow up, Nony. Smile, be happy. It is awesome, I have learned a *kitten* ton in the last two months, I've made strength gains, I look pretty damn good, and I made a decision about where to stop based on how I look and feel (okay, sorta, there's some assumption, but based on where I was pre-mother of all eczema flares), not a number on a stupid piece of metal and plastic and wires.
And of course there is all of you guys
I think maybe it's that this is the smallest I've gotten sensibly in, like, ever (excluding tubby teen weight loss).
There you go. Exactly the sorts of things I would see you saying to someone else. Well, maybe not "grow up" lol. It's tough when you are feeling so rubbish and sleep-deprived. That's temporary, but all the valuable things you have learnt are here to stay!
Ha, not so sure I wouldn't tell someone to grow up!! Not on the forums, obvs. Have been known to think it though!!2
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