Of refeeds and diet breaks

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  • kimny72
    kimny72 Posts: 16,011 Member
    Psychgrrl wrote: »
    kimny72 wrote: »
    So my new low of 123.5 popped back up to 125.0 today lol. Still happy because I went off the rails a little more than intended but it seems my activity and eating kind of evened out over the month. And 125 is still on the low side of my normal range.

    @Psychgrrl Cable tv is my enabler too! I know people who complain that they have 200 channels and there's never anything on and I'm like, how picky are you? I could do nothing but watch for days, I'm so lazy. But I could do just as much damage with Netflix, so it's my Fitbit that saves me. It buzzes if I don't get 250 steps by 10 to the hour, thank goodness.

    It has been ridiculously cold here and I haven't been able to chase the chill out of my bones for weeks. I wonder if that increased my metabolism a little and helped nudge the scale number :blush:

    @kimny72 I'm partial to crime dramas and things that are free. So when "Blue Bloods" came on Amazon Prime, I jumped on it. Still missing the most recent season, but I don't care about watching current stuff that much. The only currently airing shows I watch are "The Walking Dead," "The Goldbergs," "Modern Family," and "Major Crimes." Catching up on "Bones" but by bit (just started Season 5) and "Covert Affairs (just started season 4)--both have been off the air for a few years. ***shrug***

    My fitness tracker nudges me similarly. Even if I've been standing at my desk. My staff thinks it's amusing when I make us all get up and walk around the conference room table until the "person" turns from red to happy green again. :smiley:

    I am completely blessed to live in Southern California. This is my reward for 40 years of weather purgatory (Michigan, upstate NY, Colorado, Oklahoma). So, I have no excuse not to get outside. Even in "winter." Even when it's raining, it's fine. I went to leave the gym once and when I got to the doors everyone was crowded around. I thought there'd been a car accident or something outside. Nope. It was raining. Just ... raining. I started to go outside an was asked, "OMG--you're not actually going outside in this are you?" Hmmm ... Let me see ... No thunder, no lightening, no golf ball or larger-size hail, no tornadoes. Yep--I'm good to go! And out I went. I haven't worn my winter coat since I moved here. I keep it just in case I want to go to the snow. (HA! As if ...)

    I remember the times of sleeping with heating pads, two kitties and so many blankets it's a wonder I/we didn't suffocate. And bundling up like the Michelin man just get to the ten feet from my door to my car, so fluffy from the layers I could barely fit behind the wheel at my regular setting (I'm short--moving the seat back any further means I can't reach the peddles--let's just say I was kinda serving as my own airbag.). And let's not forget plugging in the car engine so it doesn't freeze overnight. Good times. (NOT!)

    The bolded is awesome :lol: Meetings that go on long enough my wrist buzzes are the worst!

    I watched Covert Affairs, enjoyed that one too. Bones was great in the beginning but I drifted away after awhile, I don't remember which season though.

    And this morning I was 127. So 123.5 - 125.0 - 127.0 in 3 days. My body is like those blow up lawn decorations!
  • Maxxitt
    Maxxitt Posts: 1,281 Member
    @anubis609, thanks for the summary and for forwarding that post from aadam.

    I am glad to tell you folks that my weight on the scale today is the same as it was Dec. 6 which makes me feel great! I enjoyed my holiday thoroughly, without feeling deprived in the slightest (actually felt "apprived" lol) I need to wait for medical clearance to get back to the gym (I get to wear a holter monitor for a couple of days next week) and in the meantime I am managing to maintain the dog's 5-walks-a-day with us both being bundled up. Might be a bit shorter route, might be creeping rather than striding, but we're out there! Back on the deficit wagon today - aiming for 2# a month loss. I'll be using what I learned during my re-feed experiment. Thanks to all of you all for the thread and for the stories and for being you.
  • anubis609
    anubis609 Posts: 3,966 Member
    dancefit2015 wrote: »
    I finally got around to taking new progress pics today... is anyone still willing to take a look and give me a body fat % estimate? Caliper test put me at 21% this morning but that just can't be right.

    I can take a stab at it if you want. @Nony_Mouse can confirm my blatantly objective assessment lol. Full disclosure, I'm not an expert by any means, but I will do my best to be as accurate as possible.
  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
    anubis609 wrote: »
    dancefit2015 wrote: »
    I finally got around to taking new progress pics today... is anyone still willing to take a look and give me a body fat % estimate? Caliper test put me at 21% this morning but that just can't be right.

    I can take a stab at it if you want. @Nony_Mouse can confirm my blatantly objective assessment lol. Full disclosure, I'm not an expert by any means, but I will do my best to be as accurate as possible.

    Can confirm. @anubis609 will actually tell a woman if she looks fat in that :D

    FWIW, he and Vintage both said the same for me, mmapags was slightly lower.
  • dancefit2015
    dancefit2015 Posts: 236 Member
    anubis609 wrote: »
    dancefit2015 wrote: »
    I finally got around to taking new progress pics today... is anyone still willing to take a look and give me a body fat % estimate? Caliper test put me at 21% this morning but that just can't be right.

    I can take a stab at it if you want. @Nony_Mouse can confirm my blatantly objective assessment lol. Full disclosure, I'm not an expert by any means, but I will do my best to be as accurate as possible.

    Thank you! I'll send them tonight!
  • dancefit2015
    dancefit2015 Posts: 236 Member
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    anubis609 wrote: »
    dancefit2015 wrote: »
    I finally got around to taking new progress pics today... is anyone still willing to take a look and give me a body fat % estimate? Caliper test put me at 21% this morning but that just can't be right.

    I can take a stab at it if you want. @Nony_Mouse can confirm my blatantly objective assessment lol. Full disclosure, I'm not an expert by any means, but I will do my best to be as accurate as possible.

    Can confirm. @anubis609 will actually tell a woman if she looks fat in that :D

    FWIW, he and Vintage both said the same for me, mmapags was slightly lower.

    haha that's okay, I need some honesty.
  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
    dancefit2015 wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    anubis609 wrote: »
    dancefit2015 wrote: »
    I finally got around to taking new progress pics today... is anyone still willing to take a look and give me a body fat % estimate? Caliper test put me at 21% this morning but that just can't be right.

    I can take a stab at it if you want. @Nony_Mouse can confirm my blatantly objective assessment lol. Full disclosure, I'm not an expert by any means, but I will do my best to be as accurate as possible.

    Can confirm. @anubis609 will actually tell a woman if she looks fat in that :D

    FWIW, he and Vintage both said the same for me, mmapags was slightly lower.

    haha that's okay, I need some honesty.

    Well exactly! That's the whole point of the exercise :)
  • Orphia
    Orphia Posts: 7,097 Member
    Thanks, lovely people. I disconnected the Fitbit before I gave it to my niece. It seems to know what my current weight is, too, so I'm guessing it's somehow still getting stuff from MFP (Big Bro.)
  • Orphia
    Orphia Posts: 7,097 Member
    edited January 2018
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    And just because of the sciences... Not so much vascularity, but rather varicosity. :smile:
  • Orphia
    Orphia Posts: 7,097 Member
    anubis609 wrote: »
    If not in a deficit, you can get away with 0.7-0.8g/lb/lbm if carbs are high enough as @VintageFeline mentioned. The underlying reason being that the hierarchy of substrate oxidation is always in place: alcohol > carbs > protein > fat (protein/amino acids actually always get broken down before carbs, but a sufficient intake of protein prevents catabolism or at least slows it down), so following that rule, if there are enough carbs, it displaces the priority on oxidizing protein (and if absolutely high will shut off lipolysis), therefore not as much protein (contextually significant) needs to be taken in on a higher carb diet.

    That's a relief. I'm on around 55% carbs, 30% fat, 15% protein which works out at around 100 grams protein a day. I'm 143 lbs, possibly 22% body fat, so I think I'm good.

    Around here, it's like people think you're going to die if you don't get way more than that. Your post is refreshing to see.
  • VintageFeline
    VintageFeline Posts: 6,771 Member
    Orphia wrote: »
    anubis609 wrote: »
    If not in a deficit, you can get away with 0.7-0.8g/lb/lbm if carbs are high enough as @VintageFeline mentioned. The underlying reason being that the hierarchy of substrate oxidation is always in place: alcohol > carbs > protein > fat (protein/amino acids actually always get broken down before carbs, but a sufficient intake of protein prevents catabolism or at least slows it down), so following that rule, if there are enough carbs, it displaces the priority on oxidizing protein (and if absolutely high will shut off lipolysis), therefore not as much protein (contextually significant) needs to be taken in on a higher carb diet.

    That's a relief. I'm on around 55% carbs, 30% fat, 15% protein which works out at around 100 grams protein a day. I'm 143 lbs, possibly 22% body fat, so I think I'm good.

    Around here, it's like people think you're going to die if you don't get way more than that. Your post is refreshing to see.

    I think the figures quoted here are always deficit figures because most people are indeed eating at a deficit. It's a much rarer question to be asked about maintenance needs.
  • VintageFeline
    VintageFeline Posts: 6,771 Member
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    anubis609 wrote: »
    dancefit2015 wrote: »
    I finally got around to taking new progress pics today... is anyone still willing to take a look and give me a body fat % estimate? Caliper test put me at 21% this morning but that just can't be right.

    I can take a stab at it if you want. @Nony_Mouse can confirm my blatantly objective assessment lol. Full disclosure, I'm not an expert by any means, but I will do my best to be as accurate as possible.

    Can confirm. @anubis609 will actually tell a woman if she looks fat in that :D

    FWIW, he and Vintage both said the same for me, mmapags was slightly lower.

    Yes, I was rather pleased with myself that I thought the same as our almighty leader!
  • mph323
    mph323 Posts: 3,563 Member
    Oh hai, just checking in and bumping us back to page 1 :)
  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
    mph323 wrote: »
    Oh hai, just checking in and bumping us back to page 1 :)

    A very important task! Cos, y'know, we should be encouraging new members to build diet breaks into their plan from the outset...
  • JoLightensUp
    JoLightensUp Posts: 140 Member
    edited January 2018
    I'm back from holidays. My home town welcomed me back yesterday with a sweltering 41°C (106°F). I know many of you in the northern hemisphere are shivering instead, and I hope you are keeping warm and toasty and looking after yourselves up there.

    So I didn't weigh myself or my food for over two weeks while I was away. I was surprised to find that I didn't miss weighing at all (myself or my food). I was pleased that I kept to my plan of logging even though I ate out a lot more than usual and there was a fair bit of guessing.

    I estimated that I was eating around maintenance or possibly a bit over - so a diet break of sorts - but I weighed myself this morning and I've actually lost half a kilo over my holiday. I'm thinking that increased incidental exercise may have helped, like I had a short walk to the local shops for a few groceries most days, and I went swimming in the sea...stuff like that which I didn't log. Plus I was more relaxed, so I might have had a bit of a whoosh because of that I suppose.

    Anyway, the thing that I'm most happy with is that a lot of the habits I've worked on stayed with me on holidays. I was a lot more conscious of my choices. I still had things like beer- battered fish and chips but I would make adjustments in other meals and drinks.

    I tried to keep up with this thread while I was away, but I would keep falling behind lol! I've caught up properly now.

    I know my condolences are late, but just wanted to say how sorry I am for your loss of Shadow @nexangelus. It must have been heartbreaking for you.

    And I'm sending healing thoughts for Mario, @Nony_Mouse. I hope your fierce little hunter is OK.

  • bmeadows380
    bmeadows380 Posts: 2,981 Member
    On the topic of body fat estimates: How difficult is it to estimate an individual's body fat levels if they were morbidly obese and lost a lot of weight and have excess skin? I had thought about getting a set of calipers just to check, but I'm thinking that all those extra folds I have are going to be a problem with that.
  • VintageFeline
    VintageFeline Posts: 6,771 Member
    bmeadows380 wrote: »
    On the topic of body fat estimates: How difficult is it to estimate an individual's body fat levels if they were morbidly obese and lost a lot of weight and have excess skin? I had thought about getting a set of calipers just to check, but I'm thinking that all those extra folds I have are going to be a problem with that.

    Yep you'll have issues with calipers if there's a lot of loose skin. I have a feeling most methods will be tricky and the best may well be an eyeball but even then there are limitations depending on location and severity of the loose skin. Someone else may be able to help better though, I'm just your amateur armchair estimator.
  • Terebynthia
    Terebynthia Posts: 75 Member
    I'm having one hell of a whoosh - down 6 pounds since Wednesday! *eyes the scale dubiously* Will be getting back to normal exercise routine post cold tomorrow so hopefully that will stabilise things / push it back up. I suspect I'm still dehydrated from tummy bug.
  • Psychgrrl
    Psychgrrl Posts: 3,177 Member
    Terebynthia wrote: »
    I'm having one hell of a whoosh - down 6 pounds since Wednesday! *eyes the scale dubiously* Will be getting back to normal exercise routine post cold tomorrow so hopefully that will stabilise things / push it back up. I suspect I'm still dehydrated from tummy bug.

    The flu is rampant here in SoCal and many people outside the High-risk group (children, elderly, those with compromised immune systems) have been hospitalized, according to the news outlets. 27 are dead state-wide from the flu, compared to 3 at the same time last year. :disappointed:

    Hope you’re back to to normal soon!

    Sending healing kitty thoughts down under.
  • bmeadows380
    bmeadows380 Posts: 2,981 Member
    VintageFeline wrote: »
    bmeadows380 wrote: »
    On the topic of body fat estimates: How difficult is it to estimate an individual's body fat levels if they were morbidly obese and lost a lot of weight and have excess skin? I had thought about getting a set of calipers just to check, but I'm thinking that all those extra folds I have are going to be a problem with that.

    Yep you'll have issues with calipers if there's a lot of loose skin. I have a feeling most methods will be tricky and the best may well be an eyeball but even then there are limitations depending on location and severity of the loose skin. Someone else may be able to help better though, I'm just your amateur armchair estimator.

    that's what I figured. I've got a stocky Germanic build and most of my weight was packed on the middle and on the hips. Good news is, that's where I've been losing a lot of inches, but that has left behind a lot of un-needed "folds" in the middle. And of course, we can't forget the "bat wings"......
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
    VintageFeline wrote: »
    GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
    I just finished a few unlogged but maintenance days in a row... ish. I had a silent migraine going on and wasn't feeling being a routine, but I was on top of the choices I was making. Still feeling a bit off, though. It was a bad one that lasted three days.

    I've always told my neuro that my most troublesome symptoms are the peripheral symptoms and not the head pain (because drugs take care of that) and this time, the whole deal was about the peripheral symptoms, and they were on overdrive.

    By far, my biggest trigger is weather, and another system is coming by in a day or so while I'm still in postdrome mode. Lovely.

    Anyway, this is just a rant because brain fog is one of the symptoms that's making me not really have my head in the game, and I want to focus more, but it's not really happening right now.

    I can't even imagine. I have a bit of a headache today along with still being a bit fatigued from all the sleep issues I've had this week and I'm having a hard enough time with that never mind what you're dealing with. Brain stuff is so hard to treat, from mental illness through to neuro issues like epilepsy and migraines. Maybe one day humans will crack it.

    I have trouble with visual assessment of myself because of loose skin and yes with the calipers on some spots and not others (because they aren't areas that have accumulated loose skin).

    Even when I posted pictures elsewhere and asked for an assessment, I was told that my loose skin confounded estimations.

    Saying that, I was still pretty close in my eyeball estimate to where everyone else came, and calipers put me lower. Tape measure puts me a bit lower than eyeball estimate but not as low as calipers.

    I've settled for just going by what looks okay at this point.
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
    VintageFeline wrote: »
    GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
    I just finished a few unlogged but maintenance days in a row... ish. I had a silent migraine going on and wasn't feeling being a routine, but I was on top of the choices I was making. Still feeling a bit off, though. It was a bad one that lasted three days.

    I've always told my neuro that my most troublesome symptoms are the peripheral symptoms and not the head pain (because drugs take care of that) and this time, the whole deal was about the peripheral symptoms, and they were on overdrive.

    By far, my biggest trigger is weather, and another system is coming by in a day or so while I'm still in postdrome mode. Lovely.

    Anyway, this is just a rant because brain fog is one of the symptoms that's making me not really have my head in the game, and I want to focus more, but it's not really happening right now.

    I can't even imagine. I have a bit of a headache today along with still being a bit fatigued from all the sleep issues I've had this week and I'm having a hard enough time with that never mind what you're dealing with. Brain stuff is so hard to treat, from mental illness through to neuro issues like epilepsy and migraines. Maybe one day humans will crack it.

    Thanks.

    And take care of you! Sleep and headaches are so closely entwined. At least in my world they are. I also know that this is not the most spectacular time of the year right now for you, but each day is getting a little longer, so there is that.

    And so much yes to brain stuff being a bear to treat. My issues have come a long way. When my migraines were at their worst, they were almost seizure-like in their intensity. So complaining about what I have no seems almost churlish.
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
    bmeadows380 wrote: »
    VintageFeline wrote: »
    bmeadows380 wrote: »
    On the topic of body fat estimates: How difficult is it to estimate an individual's body fat levels if they were morbidly obese and lost a lot of weight and have excess skin? I had thought about getting a set of calipers just to check, but I'm thinking that all those extra folds I have are going to be a problem with that.

    Yep you'll have issues with calipers if there's a lot of loose skin. I have a feeling most methods will be tricky and the best may well be an eyeball but even then there are limitations depending on location and severity of the loose skin. Someone else may be able to help better though, I'm just your amateur armchair estimator.

    that's what I figured. I've got a stocky Germanic build and most of my weight was packed on the middle and on the hips. Good news is, that's where I've been losing a lot of inches, but that has left behind a lot of un-needed "folds" in the middle. And of course, we can't forget the "bat wings"......

    My stocky build is from my Italian grandmother! I always say I'm from peasant stock.

    Let's see, how to tell this story without naming names...

    My grandmother and my husband's grandmother essentially had the same name. If you know Italian.

    One was Angela. One was Angelina.

    As for the last name, let's say the root name was Smith (of course it wasn't, but just go with this). My husband's grandmother was Angela Smith.

    My grandmother was Angelina Of'Smith. (Italianized, of course)

    Going back to feudal times, this means that his family were the landowners and my family were the peasants who worked his family's lands. Maybe. Ish. We joke about this because our families are from the same regions.

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