Of refeeds and diet breaks

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  • SpanishFusion
    SpanishFusion Posts: 261 Member
    I like kale too! I liked a 'messaged' kale and cranberry raw salad, and I also like it cooked with shallots and balsamic vinegar.
    This is my favorite recipe for raw and I just wing it on the cooked: https://www.gimmesomeoven.com/kale-salad-warm-cranberry-vinaigrette-recipe/
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
    edited January 2018
    PAV8888 wrote: »
    GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
    :::small voice:::::
    I like kale. I'll eat it for the rest of you.

    Kale chips taste fine ;-)

    And wasn't I the one a while back, @GottaBurnEmAll, who was arguing that your bod is great looking and you don't *need* to lose any fat :wink: (sadly, without benefits of calipers or special pics, and just on the basis of a tiny avatar viewed on a phone)!

    I now return you to regular programming!

    I've referred page 164's hyperpalatable food post to at least one MFPeop! Thanks @anubis609 :-)

    Thanks. I weigh 5 pounds more now than I do in my profile picture, but I look around the same thanks to recomp. My thighs are slightly thicker than they are in this pic, but not by much. I'd be happier at the weight I was in this picture. If I get there, I get there. If I don't, I don't.

    It was a desperate attempt to lose 5 pounds more than my profile picture that started me on the path to crazy town. I've learned a lot more since then about the long haul.

    I'll take new pics at some point when we have a sunny day and share them with you on our challenge.

    BTW, my calipers put me at 21%, and that's with testing multiple times and multiple points. LOL. No. Tape measure puts me at 23%. Still, LOL. No. I have fat in places those things don't measure. (And not my breasts, those are mostly tissue at this point, I mean my saddle bags.)
  • anubis609
    anubis609 Posts: 3,966 Member
    Expectedly, I figured there might be some kale lovers. Without adding ingredients, additional flavor, or changing its texture via cooking, could you eat it alone and say you love it? If so, bless you because you're on your own. I can't help you. I'll be at the carving station :lol:

    Also, this may be the most appropriate new year post I've read so far. Spread it like a virus. I've also learned a new word for the year: fktrumpet. Never stop learning.

    http://physiqonomics.com/new-year-advice/
  • VintageFeline
    VintageFeline Posts: 6,771 Member
    I don't understand kale. Of all the delicious vegetables available why would anyone choose it? It's just so, nothing.

    I'm still dropping water, given I'm pretty sure i was close to maintenance last week I certainly haven't dropped fat yet this year. My damn body and its weird clingy relationship with water. 6lbs off since new year but it has taken until today to get that far!
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
    I, sir, cook kale the same way every self-respecting Italian cooks any green: I saute it in olive oil and garlic, and since kale is tough, I add a bit of bit of broth pop on a lid and let it braise until it's tender. I then finish it off with red pepper flakes and lemon juice.

    That was a great read, btw. Thanks for sharing it. A lot of it was the distillation of what I've learned the hard way over 40 years of trying to deal with my weight. It's good to know I'm on the right track.

    Of course you do! Is there any other way!
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
    mmapags wrote: »
    GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
    I, sir, cook kale the same way every self-respecting Italian cooks any green: I saute it in olive oil and garlic, and since kale is tough, I add a bit of bit of broth pop on a lid and let it braise until it's tender. I then finish it off with red pepper flakes and lemon juice.

    That was a great read, btw. Thanks for sharing it. A lot of it was the distillation of what I've learned the hard way over 40 years of trying to deal with my weight. It's good to know I'm on the right track.

    Of course you do! Is there any other way!

    I don't think I'd know any other way to cook greens, tbh.
  • Rickster1967
    Rickster1967 Posts: 485 Member
    I'm a savoy cabbage scoffer

    finely shredded (chiffonade), steamed, tossed in melted butter, seasoned liberally with Himalyan rock salt and ground black pepper

    serve as a replacement for things like rice, eats great with one pot stews (curries, chilli, goulash etc)

    kale is feed for cattle bleurrgggh
  • mph323
    mph323 Posts: 3,563 Member
    GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
    Can confirm from my pre-vegetarian days: kale with bacon is very good. Bacon is generally good with any bitter vegetable. I used to make pan braised brussels sprouts with bacon and garlic that was to die for.

    Hmm, I really don't like brussels sprouts but assuming the kale experiment goes well, I'll give that a try! I'm really trying to expand my somewhat limited vegetable menu.
  • collectingblues
    collectingblues Posts: 2,541 Member
    mph323 wrote: »
    GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
    Can confirm from my pre-vegetarian days: kale with bacon is very good. Bacon is generally good with any bitter vegetable. I used to make pan braised brussels sprouts with bacon and garlic that was to die for.

    Hmm, I really don't like brussels sprouts but assuming the kale experiment goes well, I'll give that a try! I'm really trying to expand my somewhat limited vegetable menu.

    Roasted brussels sprouts are delicious -- I've never had them with bacon, but I suspect that bacon would only improve on the deliciousness.
  • VintageFeline
    VintageFeline Posts: 6,771 Member
    Savoy cabbage yes. Any cabbage really. I had white, shredded, boiled till just, tossed in butter, nom.

    And yes, sprouts with bacon are really good. Or if you're fancy like me diced pancetta. But I love brussels sprouts. Have some in the fridge right now!
  • alteredsteve175
    alteredsteve175 Posts: 2,726 Member
    GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
    Can confirm from my pre-vegetarian days: kale with bacon is very good. Bacon is generally good with any bitter vegetable. I used to make pan braised brussels sprouts with bacon and garlic that was to die for.

    Another vote for wilted kale. My quick breakfast at home - chop some slices of bacon. Cook bacon in a cast iron skillet - wilt some kale in the bacon fat. Fry two eggs sunnyside up. Toss everything in a bowl - season to taste - add some salsa. Takes less than 10 minutes.
  • HDBKLM
    HDBKLM Posts: 466 Member
    collectingblues wrote: »
    HDBKLM wrote: »
    collectingblues wrote: »
    Today was a little better.

    I found a tracker app that I think may be more helpful than MFP. MFP is good for food logging, but it doesn't exactly praise hitting targets -- so I think a separate habit tracker would be helpful for that, and help with the *consistency* problem. Because I know if I could eat at a certain TDEE-deficit target regularly, that would help stop the binge cycles. And should keep things lower overall, since I won't have the binges interfering. The irony, being, that even on binge days, I was really just eating at maintenance.

    So I'll still log food here, and still use the forums, but will use the other app for keeping an eye on whether I'm hitting that target, and not slipping in other behaviors.

    Also got a 5-mile run in today. I haven't run that far since the stress fracture, and I also did it in my fastest time ever, so it was good to see that that's still there.

    Hi @collectingblues just out of curiosity what's this new habit tracker?

    I'm using HabitBull. Admittedly, only two days in, but so far, I like it -- it is completely customizeable, and although you only get five habits with the free version, that's good enough for what I need.
    collectingblues wrote: »
    HDBKLM wrote: »
    collectingblues wrote: »
    Today was a little better.

    I found a tracker app that I think may be more helpful than MFP. MFP is good for food logging, but it doesn't exactly praise hitting targets -- so I think a separate habit tracker would be helpful for that, and help with the *consistency* problem. Because I know if I could eat at a certain TDEE-deficit target regularly, that would help stop the binge cycles. And should keep things lower overall, since I won't have the binges interfering. The irony, being, that even on binge days, I was really just eating at maintenance.

    So I'll still log food here, and still use the forums, but will use the other app for keeping an eye on whether I'm hitting that target, and not slipping in other behaviors.

    Also got a 5-mile run in today. I haven't run that far since the stress fracture, and I also did it in my fastest time ever, so it was good to see that that's still there.

    Hi @collectingblues just out of curiosity what's this new habit tracker?

    I'm using HabitBull. Admittedly, only two days in, but so far, I like it -- it is completely customizeable, and although you only get five habits with the free version, that's good enough for what I need.

    Thanks! I'm intrigued and will have a look. I've been more or less back to it since the New Year but also experiencing some of what others have said about having greater difficulty with compliance, so another, longer term way of looking at things might help. I also wonder if any of it is to do with the weather and the short days? Are any of you all for whom it's currently summer having difficulty staying in calorie range, staying focused, etc.?
  • livingleanlivingclean
    livingleanlivingclean Posts: 11,751 Member
    edited January 2018
    HDBKLM wrote: »
    collectingblues wrote: »
    HDBKLM wrote: »
    collectingblues wrote: »
    Today was a little better.

    I found a tracker app that I think may be more helpful than MFP. MFP is good for food logging, but it doesn't exactly praise hitting targets -- so I think a separate habit tracker would be helpful for that, and help with the *consistency* problem. Because I know if I could eat at a certain TDEE-deficit target regularly, that would help stop the binge cycles. And should keep things lower overall, since I won't have the binges interfering. The irony, being, that even on binge days, I was really just eating at maintenance.

    So I'll still log food here, and still use the forums, but will use the other app for keeping an eye on whether I'm hitting that target, and not slipping in other behaviors.

    Also got a 5-mile run in today. I haven't run that far since the stress fracture, and I also did it in my fastest time ever, so it was good to see that that's still there.

    Hi @collectingblues just out of curiosity what's this new habit tracker?

    I'm using HabitBull. Admittedly, only two days in, but so far, I like it -- it is completely customizeable, and although you only get five habits with the free version, that's good enough for what I need.
    collectingblues wrote: »
    HDBKLM wrote: »
    collectingblues wrote: »
    Today was a little better.

    I found a tracker app that I think may be more helpful than MFP. MFP is good for food logging, but it doesn't exactly praise hitting targets -- so I think a separate habit tracker would be helpful for that, and help with the *consistency* problem. Because I know if I could eat at a certain TDEE-deficit target regularly, that would help stop the binge cycles. And should keep things lower overall, since I won't have the binges interfering. The irony, being, that even on binge days, I was really just eating at maintenance.

    So I'll still log food here, and still use the forums, but will use the other app for keeping an eye on whether I'm hitting that target, and not slipping in other behaviors.

    Also got a 5-mile run in today. I haven't run that far since the stress fracture, and I also did it in my fastest time ever, so it was good to see that that's still there.

    Hi @collectingblues just out of curiosity what's this new habit tracker?

    I'm using HabitBull. Admittedly, only two days in, but so far, I like it -- it is completely customizeable, and although you only get five habits with the free version, that's good enough for what I need.

    Thanks! I'm intrigued and will have a look. I've been more or less back to it since the New Year but also experiencing some of what others have said about having greater difficulty with compliance, so another, longer term way of looking at things might help. I also wonder if any of it is to do with the weather and the short days? Are any of you all for whom it's currently summer having difficulty staying in calorie range, staying focused, etc.?

    Yup.... I'm a southern hemisphere-er! Summer for me - I don't cope well with the heat, so most days getting out during the day is not really possible without melting or burning to a crisp! I think that partly contributes to my boredom and sloth like tendencies - I do make myself walk/run 2kms to the supermarket as many mornings as possible to buy something random.
  • VintageFeline
    VintageFeline Posts: 6,771 Member
    I'm sorry it's not better news @Nony_Mouse but at least there is progress. Plus, he doesn't look terribly upset about being in hospital! Leaving them behind though is so hard.
  • Hungry_Shopgirl
    Hungry_Shopgirl Posts: 329 Member
    Hi, late to the party, but wanted to start by thanking @Nony_Mouse for starting this thread! Watched the vid, learned a lot, and am really excited to have a plan to tackle the last 7kg of body fat to get me where I want to be.

    I do have one practical question though (if this was answered before, feel free to copy/paste): how do you go about setting your calorie goal here on MFP for this approach (assuming you, like me, are not paying for premium)? Do you set it for your deficit days and blow into the red on refeed days or the other way around?
  • Terebynthia
    Terebynthia Posts: 75 Member
    Big hugs and fingers crossed @Nony_Mouse !
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
    Hungry_Shopgirl wrote: »
    Hi, late to the party, but wanted to start by thanking @Nony_Mouse for starting this thread! Watched the vid, learned a lot, and am really excited to have a plan to tackle the last 7kg of body fat to get me where I want to be.

    I do have one practical question though (if this was answered before, feel free to copy/paste): how do you go about setting your calorie goal here on MFP for this approach (assuming you, like me, are not paying for premium)? Do you set it for your deficit days and blow into the red on refeed days or the other way around?

    I have my calories set to sedentary maintenance and add exercise on top of that (well, Fitbit does). If I'm eating at deficit, I just leave those calories on the table for the amount of deficit I want to create. If I'm eating at maintenance, I eat all the calories.

    I have Fitbit set to maintenance as well.
  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
    VintageFeline wrote: »
    I'm sorry it's not better news @Nony_Mouse but at least there is progress. Plus, he doesn't look terribly upset about being in hospital! Leaving them behind though is so hard.

    He's the one I can leave without worrying that he will stress. He's so laid back, and such a charmer, he'll be getting loads of interaction I'm sure. And yes, we are making progress. Matt will be phoning this morning with his blood test results, and then Kat (surgeon) will call this afternoon. And Jenna (his 5th year student vet) just called now to let me know he did really well overnight.

    I pointed out to him last night when I visited that he's no longer doing a very good job of acting sick (and this is why I think the Vidalta reaction has allowed us to uncover something he's not even symptomatic of yet).

    Will be interested to hear what his renal results are now. They've been all over the show between in house and lab diagnostics, and different things involved each time. Dehydration can very easily throw off (elevate) renal values, but untreated hyperthyroid (even at a low and stable level) can cause and mask deteriorating kidneys (I wasn't aware the hyper-t could be causing damage at the low and asymptomatic level his is :( ). So the brief thyroid treatment may have uncovered that). I think he was probably pretty well hydrated for yesterday's tests, because there's no way he gained nearly 400g in a week without some of that being fluid (yes, I crunched the numbers, at best my food pushing would have gotten him up 120-130g). I may ask Matt if they can run those tests again, because gold standard is to have two sets on a well-hydrated cat to be sure of a CRF diagnosis.
  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
    Hungry_Shopgirl wrote: »
    Hi, late to the party, but wanted to start by thanking @Nony_Mouse for starting this thread! Watched the vid, learned a lot, and am really excited to have a plan to tackle the last 7kg of body fat to get me where I want to be.

    I do have one practical question though (if this was answered before, feel free to copy/paste): how do you go about setting your calorie goal here on MFP for this approach (assuming you, like me, are not paying for premium)? Do you set it for your deficit days and blow into the red on refeed days or the other way around?

    I originally switched between having MFP set to deficit weekdays and maintenance weekends, but pretty soon got sick of that (because you have to reset you macros each time as well b/c MFP puts them back to default), so then just set to sedentary maintenance same as @GottaBurnEmAll.

    Are you doing, or have you done, a diet break first? That would be my recommendation before instituting refeeds. You want to bring your hormone levels back up, then use the refeeds to not let them drop as low again as they would in a straight deficit.
  • Terebynthia
    Terebynthia Posts: 75 Member
    I aim to maintenance on Fridays and Saturdays while aiming for deficit all other days in deficit mode. (my other half works away in the week and we arise early on Mondays to get him to the train, so Sunday is also deficit / no booze night). Mostly I'm at maintenance those two days due to booze consumption over and above norms, plus Saturday night is a roast dinner ritual, which is coming down to a calorie counted fine art and nearing maintenance. I diet a bit harder on deficit days to compensate.

    I just ignore the red numbers on Fridays and Saturdays. It's not nagging if you actively know your goals are different :)

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