Is eating 2 baked potatoes for one meal bad?
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Eyeswithoutaface wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Eyeswithoutaface wrote: »A lot of medical doctors in here telling you untrue things. When you eat carbs and sugar your pancreas pumps out insulin to help your body take in said carbs and sugar. When you give your body high amounts of carbs and sugar you demand more insulin. You eventually can possibly become insulin resistant. Many people believe that insulin resistance is a myth. It isn't by the way. It is what happens when you are on your way to becoming diabetic. Exercise can help take the edge off of this biological and scientifically proven process.
If you exercise your body demands more fuel. Fat and blood glucose. When you do not exercise enough for your body to demand these fuels you get a rise in blood sugar and insulin resistance. When you start feeling that you are getting low blood sugars an hour or two after eating said baked potatoes (or other high carb items) that is when you know that you are no longer processing this high amount of carbs and sugar properly. Some people may never feel that they have these warning episodes of poor processing of carbs and sugar. Others do. Insulin resistance can be reversed. Usually with a lower carb and sugar eating plan coupled with good exercise.
Anyone who does not understand how excessive carbs and sugar can actually cause type 2 diabetes has never taken a lesson in Biology. Insulin is real, high levels of insulin are bad for you, high levels of blood glucose is bad for you, spiking your blood sugar on a habitual basis is bad for you.
So in closing I say, how about having a single potato with some other vegetable? How do you feel about other vegetables?
http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/myths/
http://www.health.com/health/gallery/0,,20857657,00.html#myth-exercise-can-t-help-prevent-type-2-diabetes-0
https://www.prevention.com/health/7-diabetes-myths-debunked/slide/4
https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/features/diabetes-myths-truth#1
https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/diabetesatwork/pdfs/diabetesmyths.pdf
Those people really should take a lesson in biology from you.
Prevention? You consider them a reputable source? "okay". LOL!
The pancreas puts out insulin on a supply and demand basis. This is an indisputable fact. Abusing this function is what causes diabetes coupled with inadequate exercise. Are you implying that the body does not function in this way?
The galbladder puts out bile on a supply and demand basis, what of it? Certain organs secrete certain substances that are important for certain functions, that's their job. It has as much to do with diabetes as eating too much fat has to do with bile deficiency (hint: not much).5 -
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lemurcat12 wrote: »The best place to get this information (aside from your medical doctor whom you trust) is the American Diabetes Association. Assuming of course they aren't "full of woo" as it were.
diabetes.org/are-you-at-risk/diabetes-risk-test/
That link did not work for me. However, I checked the site and saw nothing suggesting that baked potatoes cause diabetes (the risk factors on the test I think are mostly obesity, genetics, and age). It wasn't very helpful on what does, but everything I've read is consistent with what psulemon wrote above: avoid obesity, inactivity, and eat a generally healthy diet. Genetics and some medications can be risk factors. Lots of sugary soda is the main dietary thing that seems clearly a bad idea, although it might be simply a correlation.
No correlation with higher carb diets that are also healthy (and no reason to assume 2 baked potatoes at a meal = a higher carb diet anyway).
I'm not saying you were trying to suggest that the advice given here so far is bad or that OP should worry about potatoes, but since the link didn't work for me and since someone else above is attacking the people giving advice, I thought it might be helpful to elaborate.
You went there searching for baked potatoes in relation to diabetes? Where did I say that that specific info could be found there? I said, "The best place to get INFORMATION." As in, this is a place where information can be found. I did NOT say, " this is the place to find out if potatoes cause diabetes. "
The OP said, "I'm just thinking of GI index and in the long term diabetes.
Would eating 2 on a regular basis be bad in the long run or is it more to genetics and being overweight that contributes to diabetes."
In order to direct the OP to find information on said GI index and the like, I posted this link. I am very careful about saying exactly what I mean and nothing more. I do not appreciate when people try to put words into my mouth.
Um, as you quoted, I quite specifically said: "I'm not saying you were trying to suggest that the advice given here so far is bad or that OP should worry about potatoes, but since the link didn't work for me and since someone else above is attacking the people giving advice, I thought it might be helpful to elaborate." Thus, I obviously was not putting words in your mouth.
To be even more explicit, in context, your post seemed to suggest that the advice at the site would contradict the advice being given or placed it in question. I did not claim you intended that (quite the opposite, I said I was not suggesting that), but wanted to make sure no such conclusions were drawn as the advice at the site does not. I went to the link in order to see what it said and to quote anything relevant. I found a link that did not work for me and a site that did not seem to have much information about dietary contributions to T2D (probably because the actual risk factors are somewhat different). (Here is a link that works: http://www.diabetes.org. Here is what it had about lowering risk: http://www.diabetes.org/are-you-at-risk/lower-your-risk/?loc=atrisk-slabnav.)
Like the people who had already commented said, in response to OP's question, the site seems to agree that "it more to genetics and being overweight that contributes to diabetes."
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Eyeswithoutaface wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Eyeswithoutaface wrote: »A lot of medical doctors in here telling you untrue things. When you eat carbs and sugar your pancreas pumps out insulin to help your body take in said carbs and sugar. When you give your body high amounts of carbs and sugar you demand more insulin. You eventually can possibly become insulin resistant. Many people believe that insulin resistance is a myth. It isn't by the way. It is what happens when you are on your way to becoming diabetic. Exercise can help take the edge off of this biological and scientifically proven process.
If you exercise your body demands more fuel. Fat and blood glucose. When you do not exercise enough for your body to demand these fuels you get a rise in blood sugar and insulin resistance. When you start feeling that you are getting low blood sugars an hour or two after eating said baked potatoes (or other high carb items) that is when you know that you are no longer processing this high amount of carbs and sugar properly. Some people may never feel that they have these warning episodes of poor processing of carbs and sugar. Others do. Insulin resistance can be reversed. Usually with a lower carb and sugar eating plan coupled with good exercise.
Anyone who does not understand how excessive carbs and sugar can actually cause type 2 diabetes has never taken a lesson in Biology. Insulin is real, high levels of insulin are bad for you, high levels of blood glucose is bad for you, spiking your blood sugar on a habitual basis is bad for you.
So in closing I say, how about having a single potato with some other vegetable? How do you feel about other vegetables?
http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/myths/
http://www.health.com/health/gallery/0,,20857657,00.html#myth-exercise-can-t-help-prevent-type-2-diabetes-0
https://www.prevention.com/health/7-diabetes-myths-debunked/slide/4
https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/features/diabetes-myths-truth#1
https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/diabetesatwork/pdfs/diabetesmyths.pdf
Those people really should take a lesson in biology from you.
Prevention? You consider them a reputable source? "okay". LOL!
The pancreas puts out insulin on a supply and demand basis. This is an indisputable fact. Abusing this function is what causes diabetes coupled with inadequate exercise. Are you implying that the body does not function in this way?
https://niddk.nih.gov/health-information/diabetes/overview/what-is-diabetes/prediabetes-insulin-resistance4 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Eyeswithoutaface wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Eyeswithoutaface wrote: »A lot of medical doctors in here telling you untrue things. When you eat carbs and sugar your pancreas pumps out insulin to help your body take in said carbs and sugar. When you give your body high amounts of carbs and sugar you demand more insulin. You eventually can possibly become insulin resistant. Many people believe that insulin resistance is a myth. It isn't by the way. It is what happens when you are on your way to becoming diabetic. Exercise can help take the edge off of this biological and scientifically proven process.
If you exercise your body demands more fuel. Fat and blood glucose. When you do not exercise enough for your body to demand these fuels you get a rise in blood sugar and insulin resistance. When you start feeling that you are getting low blood sugars an hour or two after eating said baked potatoes (or other high carb items) that is when you know that you are no longer processing this high amount of carbs and sugar properly. Some people may never feel that they have these warning episodes of poor processing of carbs and sugar. Others do. Insulin resistance can be reversed. Usually with a lower carb and sugar eating plan coupled with good exercise.
Anyone who does not understand how excessive carbs and sugar can actually cause type 2 diabetes has never taken a lesson in Biology. Insulin is real, high levels of insulin are bad for you, high levels of blood glucose is bad for you, spiking your blood sugar on a habitual basis is bad for you.
So in closing I say, how about having a single potato with some other vegetable? How do you feel about other vegetables?
http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/myths/
http://www.health.com/health/gallery/0,,20857657,00.html#myth-exercise-can-t-help-prevent-type-2-diabetes-0
https://www.prevention.com/health/7-diabetes-myths-debunked/slide/4
https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/features/diabetes-myths-truth#1
https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/diabetesatwork/pdfs/diabetesmyths.pdf
Those people really should take a lesson in biology from you.
Prevention? You consider them a reputable source? "okay". LOL!
The pancreas puts out insulin on a supply and demand basis. This is an indisputable fact. Abusing this function is what causes diabetes coupled with inadequate exercise. Are you implying that the body does not function in this way?
https://niddk.nih.gov/health-information/diabetes/overview/what-is-diabetes/prediabetes-insulin-resistance
I can't believe they don't list sugar intake as the most obvious cause that anyone who's ever taken a biology lesson should know about! /s7 -
Eyeswithoutaface wrote: »Eyeswithoutaface wrote: »A lot of medical doctors in here telling you untrue things. When you eat carbs and sugar your pancreas pumps out insulin to help your body take in said carbs and sugar. When you give your body high amounts of carbs and sugar you demand more insulin. You eventually can possibly become insulin resistant. Many people believe that insulin resistance is a myth. It isn't by the way. It is what happens when you are on your way to becoming diabetic. Exercise can help take the edge off of this biological and scientifically proven process.
If you exercise your body demands more fuel. Fat and blood glucose. When you do not exercise enough for your body to demand these fuels you get a rise in blood sugar and insulin resistance. When you start feeling that you are getting low blood sugars an hour or two after eating said baked potatoes (or other high carb items) that is when you know that you are no longer processing this high amount of carbs and sugar properly. Some people may never feel that they have these warning episodes of poor processing of carbs and sugar. Others do. Insulin resistance can be reversed. Usually with a lower carb and sugar eating plan coupled with good exercise.
Anyone who does not understand how excessive carbs and sugar can actually cause type 2 diabetes has never taken a lesson in Biology. Insulin is real, high levels of insulin are bad for you, high levels of blood glucose is bad for you, spiking your blood sugar on a habitual basis is bad for you.
So in closing I say, how about having a single potato with some other vegetable? How do you feel about other vegetables?
Eating carbs doesn't cause diabetes. At best that might be some theory at this point. If you look at every single organization studying diabetes, none of them suggest carbs is a driver of that. If carbs caused diabetes, than the healthiest people in the world wouldn't be largely carb based.... most vegans/vegetarians would all have diabetes, etc..
The fact that the OP is consuming proteins with their potatoes would also slow the absorption of nutrients, which wouldn't cause a "spike".
Sure. Whatever you need!
So you can't address his point. That is what I thought
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Wow. The true nature of MFP strikes again. I shouldn't be surprised. I hope the OP was able to get what ever was needed before all the trouble started.14
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Potatoes!7
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OP, to the point of your question, I eat a very high carb diet, and often eat two potatoes topped with cottage cheese and a side salad for a meal.
The GI of them is mitigated by the protein, and as the links have shown, diabetes isn't caused by what you eat, it's more down to lifestyle factors.
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I had stuffed potato skins and a burger for lunch today. Not uncommon. Not diabetic or prediabetic and none of it going to directly cause me to be. This fear of starch is at peak ridiculous levels now.4
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Eyeswithoutaface wrote: »I'll have two loaded baked potatoes (cheddar cheese, bacon, and sour cream) as meal, and I haven't had any problems. I make sure to hit my macros and nutrients with my other meals, and it fits into my calories. It does tend to kick me into a higher-than-normal carb intake for the day, but it hasn't been a problem. I tend to have it as dinner, so I've eaten enough during the day that the carbs don't make me want to overeat and if I feel tired, I can just go to bed.
If you are getting adequate exercise that is a big part of maintaining good health. We tend to think that because we are well today that we will be well tomorrow. Damage is accumulated. Which is why we tend to see certain consequences from abusing our bodies at an older age more often than at a younger age. If you are getting regular yearly check-ups, and you do not feel physically off then you should be fine. Listen to your body and if in doubt ask your doctor for advice.
You do know that some of the healthiest populations in the world eat relatively high carbs right? Look up Blue Zones.9 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Eyeswithoutaface wrote: »I'll have two loaded baked potatoes (cheddar cheese, bacon, and sour cream) as meal, and I haven't had any problems. I make sure to hit my macros and nutrients with my other meals, and it fits into my calories. It does tend to kick me into a higher-than-normal carb intake for the day, but it hasn't been a problem. I tend to have it as dinner, so I've eaten enough during the day that the carbs don't make me want to overeat and if I feel tired, I can just go to bed.
If you are getting adequate exercise that is a big part of maintaining good health. We tend to think that because we are well today that we will be well tomorrow. Damage is accumulated. Which is why we tend to see certain consequences from abusing our bodies at an older age more often than at a younger age. If you are getting regular yearly check-ups, and you do not feel physically off then you should be fine. Listen to your body and if in doubt ask your doctor for advice.
You do know that some of the healthiest populations in the world eat relatively high carbs right? Look up Blue Zones.
Everybody seems to forget about the Blue Zones7 -
i routinely have 2-3 baked potatos a day, normally with some cream cheese (its hard to eat 400+g of carbs a day without potatos or rice) and I have no issues with insulin resistance etc4
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Wow. The true nature of MFP strikes again. I shouldn't be surprised. I hope the OP was able to get what ever was needed before all the trouble started.
Is this "woo" as in "WHOO HOO!
" or "Woo" as In, "She is posting unproven quackery! 
"
One should not assume. Asking for a friend!
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True nature as in inner thread conflict. You know. The usual! Getting derailed!6 -
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Are you reaching your calorie goals with your two potato meal? Then it’s all good. I also find my meal goes better with protein added as well.
Baked potatoes have all the fiber so that helps as well.2 -
if its bad im screwed a big majority of my diet is potatoes lol and iv lost 110 pounds and my bloodwork is all perfect. Not sure what id do if potatoes poofed overnight and no longer existed.
Side note of semi importance, I have PCOS and we supposedly do well on lower carb because of blood sugar issues. I wouldnt recommend it to everyone but for me potatoes dont set off those issues.4 -
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YepItsKriss wrote: »Its weird that people always refer to healthy debate on facts vrs fiction trouble and the people telling the facts are the trouble makers.
This is not myfantasypal people lol.. if everyone had to just support everything people say we would all be stuck with nothing but a limited amount of water per day..
You talkin' to me? Just in case you are, I did not point fingers at any side. I was referring to the general "innocent looking thread gets turned into a hot debate". Just to be clear. If you aren't referencing me then please disregard.5 -
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YepItsKriss wrote: »YepItsKriss wrote: »Its weird that people always refer to healthy debate on facts vrs fiction trouble and the people telling the facts are the trouble makers.
This is not myfantasypal people lol.. if everyone had to just support everything people say we would all be stuck with nothing but a limited amount of water per day..
You talkin' to me? Just in case you are, I did not point fingers at any side. I was referring to the general "innocent looking thread gets turned into a hot debate". Just to be clear. If you aren't referencing me then please disregard.
Well not really directed at YOU but the comment in general really since its a point made most often by a lot of people not just you. But i am glad threads turn into hot debate because it brings in points of views on the topic from many people lurkers can learn, OP can learn.. maybe some people who were misinformed can learn.
I can see that. However I tend to think debate should be left in the debate forum once it gets really hot. I don't know how much is ever really learned from such, because I tend to skip over as much as possible because it gets to be beating a dead horse at times.4 -
YepItsKriss wrote: »YepItsKriss wrote: »Its weird that people always refer to healthy debate on facts vrs fiction trouble and the people telling the facts are the trouble makers.
This is not myfantasypal people lol.. if everyone had to just support everything people say we would all be stuck with nothing but a limited amount of water per day..
You talkin' to me? Just in case you are, I did not point fingers at any side. I was referring to the general "innocent looking thread gets turned into a hot debate". Just to be clear. If you aren't referencing me then please disregard.
Well not really directed at YOU but the comment in general really since its a point made most often by a lot of people not just you. But i am glad threads turn into hot debate because it brings in points of views on the topic from many people lurkers can learn, OP can learn.. maybe some people who were misinformed can learn.
I can see that. However I tend to think debate should be left in the debate forum once it gets really hot. I don't know how much is ever really learned from such, because I tend to skip over as much as possible because it gets to be beating a dead horse at times.
Well, what do you want us to do when a dude comes in basically saying "everyone else is wrong, those potatoes are gonna give you the beetus" to not turn it into a debate?12 -
stevencloser wrote: »YepItsKriss wrote: »YepItsKriss wrote: »Its weird that people always refer to healthy debate on facts vrs fiction trouble and the people telling the facts are the trouble makers.
This is not myfantasypal people lol.. if everyone had to just support everything people say we would all be stuck with nothing but a limited amount of water per day..
You talkin' to me? Just in case you are, I did not point fingers at any side. I was referring to the general "innocent looking thread gets turned into a hot debate". Just to be clear. If you aren't referencing me then please disregard.
Well not really directed at YOU but the comment in general really since its a point made most often by a lot of people not just you. But i am glad threads turn into hot debate because it brings in points of views on the topic from many people lurkers can learn, OP can learn.. maybe some people who were misinformed can learn.
I can see that. However I tend to think debate should be left in the debate forum once it gets really hot. I don't know how much is ever really learned from such, because I tend to skip over as much as possible because it gets to be beating a dead horse at times.
Well, what do you want us to do when a dude comes in basically saying "everyone else is wrong, those potatoes are gonna give you the beetus" to not turn it into a debate?
Exactly. It's not helpful to let bad information just sit there, and the OP was concerned about diabetes.
It's unfortunate that misinformation exists to the extent it does and that countering it turns into threads like this. It's just that it's so widespread.
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suzannesimmons3 wrote: »MoveitlikeManda wrote: »now Iv read this I want jacket spuds for dinner
I've got mine in.....and I've grated cheese.
I had 2 (yep thats right 2!) with tuna and I feel so much better for it lol0 -
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YepItsKriss wrote: »YepItsKriss wrote: »YepItsKriss wrote: »Its weird that people always refer to healthy debate on facts vrs fiction trouble and the people telling the facts are the trouble makers.
This is not myfantasypal people lol.. if everyone had to just support everything people say we would all be stuck with nothing but a limited amount of water per day..
You talkin' to me? Just in case you are, I did not point fingers at any side. I was referring to the general "innocent looking thread gets turned into a hot debate". Just to be clear. If you aren't referencing me then please disregard.
Well not really directed at YOU but the comment in general really since its a point made most often by a lot of people not just you. But i am glad threads turn into hot debate because it brings in points of views on the topic from many people lurkers can learn, OP can learn.. maybe some people who were misinformed can learn.
I can see that. However I tend to think debate should be left in the debate forum once it gets really hot. I don't know how much is ever really learned from such, because I tend to skip over as much as possible because it gets to be beating a dead horse at times.
There probably is a debate for this in the debate forums but a lot of OPs don't typically leave their own thread and thats if they even remember to come back at all.. leaving bad information here only to leave and go discuss it in the debate forum isn't helping the OP if they do return
At any rate, I was just pointing out the typical nature of the forums.0 -
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