Q and A thread - Angus is peppered.
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notreallychris wrote: »Are BCAAs beneficial? I train fasted before the end of my 16 hour fast. Do they do anything?
In your case, they probably do do something. (huhuhuhhu I said "doodoo")
But beavis and butthead reference aside, it's generally a good idea to have amino acids present to mitigate muscle protein breakdown and to stimulate muscle protein synthesis in the post workout period.
BCAAs are something I generally don't recommend since they are arguably inferior to complete proteins (whey for example) and in the presence of adequate amino acids they don't do anything. Often times people will consume BCAAS in a situation where they already have amino acid availability at sufficient levels. Take for example someone who has a meal an hour before training followed by dat dere whey brotein post workout. Sippin on BCAA intra-workout isn't likely doing anything other than causing weight loss in the wallet.
However, since your question was "do they do anything" AND since you train completely fasted with (presumably) no avaialble amino acids, in your case yes.
Or a shorthand answer might be this:
Protein > BCAAs > nothing in terms of the usefulness.
Let me know if this clarifies things.5 -
We can tell you're knowledgeable because you appear to know what you don't know (referring person back to their doctor). This is so rare in the fitness industry, you should be commended for your insight!
I appreciate this very much.
I wrote the following to a facebook group for other fitness professionals. This was my first time offering "advice" in my own thread in a format they use called [ask/give]. Basically, if you feel you have something valuable to share, you tag it with [give].
I'm pasting it here because it relates a great deal to what you just said and it also highlights my current philosophy which has bruised my ego but made me a better coach:
" There are two philosophies which I have put into practice and in my opinion, they have been profoundly helpful in my development as a coach.
1) I've learned how to say "I don't know". In every session with my clients I invite and encourage questions, and sometimes I don't have an answer for those questions. When I don't have an answer, I say "Great question! I don't know the answer, but I know where to find that answer and I'll let you know what I find".
Then, I go find the answer whether it's something a piece of research can answer, or another resource including other professionals.
The great part about this practice is that it is a direct cause of me learning more information. A secondary but also beneficial part of this practice is that it is an exercise in humility, of sorts.
2) When a client struggles, whether it's adherence to calorie and macronutrient guidelines, or adherence to an exercise program, or struggle with a particular habit, I make the assumption that I need to do my job better rather than assuming the client is somehow defective, or lazy, or doesn't care about themselves.
The former takes personal responsibility for adapting our plan to meet the client where they are at. The former allows me to re evaluate my recommendations and my coaching practice, and to continually learn and adapt to best serve my client.
While they may not be mutually exclusive, the latter can often lack empathy and support, and my personal belief and experience is that the latter tends to be less effective for most people (although I wouldn't say it's less effective for EVERYONE, as there certainly are some people who may respond well to this).
Finally, this isn't my intent to say "you have to coach like I do" because quite frankly it's out of place for me to think that I should be teaching other coaches.
The purpose of this was mainly to share two practices that I've adopted which have been profoundly useful in my personal development.
I should note that these are not necessarily easy, especially the second one. It requires thick skin and the willingness to be wrong.
Best of luck everyone!"13 -
notreallychris wrote: »Are BCAAs beneficial? I train fasted before the end of my 16 hour fast. Do they do anything?
In your case, they probably do do something. (huhuhuhhu I said "doodoo")
But beavis and butthead reference aside, it's generally a good idea to have amino acids present to mitigate muscle protein breakdown and to stimulate muscle protein synthesis in the post workout period.
BCAAs are something I generally don't recommend since they are arguably inferior to complete proteins (whey for example) and in the presence of adequate amino acids they don't do anything. Often times people will consume BCAAS in a situation where they already have amino acid availability at sufficient levels. Take for example someone who has a meal an hour before training followed by dat dere whey brotein post workout. Sippin on BCAA intra-workout isn't likely doing anything other than causing weight loss in the wallet.
However, since your question was "do they do anything" AND since you train completely fasted with (presumably) no avaialble amino acids, in your case yes.
Or a shorthand answer might be this:
Protein > BCAAs > nothing in terms of the usefulness.
Let me know if this clarifies things.
*que the guitar into for Beavis & Butthead*
That does make sense, I really appreciate it!
Hopefully more people take advantage of the knowledge here. I can say, the "sexy pants" thread is spammed often, I link it for newbies too. Thanks again!0 -
notreallychris wrote: »notreallychris wrote: »Are BCAAs beneficial? I train fasted before the end of my 16 hour fast. Do they do anything?
In your case, they probably do do something. (huhuhuhhu I said "doodoo")
But beavis and butthead reference aside, it's generally a good idea to have amino acids present to mitigate muscle protein breakdown and to stimulate muscle protein synthesis in the post workout period.
BCAAs are something I generally don't recommend since they are arguably inferior to complete proteins (whey for example) and in the presence of adequate amino acids they don't do anything. Often times people will consume BCAAS in a situation where they already have amino acid availability at sufficient levels. Take for example someone who has a meal an hour before training followed by dat dere whey brotein post workout. Sippin on BCAA intra-workout isn't likely doing anything other than causing weight loss in the wallet.
However, since your question was "do they do anything" AND since you train completely fasted with (presumably) no avaialble amino acids, in your case yes.
Or a shorthand answer might be this:
Protein > BCAAs > nothing in terms of the usefulness.
Let me know if this clarifies things.
*que the guitar into for Beavis & Butthead*
That does make sense, I really appreciate it!
Hopefully more people take advantage of the knowledge here. I can say, the "sexy pants" thread is spammed often, I link it for newbies too. Thanks again!
Thanks, I appreciate you showing that link to people. One of these days I will go through it and consider a revision when I have less things on my plate.2 -
As a baker, I say cake all the way. Especially carrot cake.........*drool*3
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Great to see you on board again. No questions for now--but appreciate your taking time to share real knowlege.0
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Hi and best of luck .. cheers!0
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I dont understand what " Angus is peppered "means??
that is my question.2 -
thunderchild007 wrote: »As a baker, I say cake all the way. Especially carrot cake.........*drool*
I also prefer cake! Mostly because a lot of times pie crust is poorly done. If the crust is executed correctly a warm fruit pie is so tasty. Now if it was a question of peanut butter pie or a spicy cake...ugh I will probably just have to have both!0 -
Collagen peptide and hyalnauric (sic) acid powder for loose skin? Any use or did I waste pocket change?1
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Not a weight loss question, really more fitness. And thanks for doing this.
In my current strength training program (Starting Strength after switching from Strong Lifts), I've been at it for a little over 6 months. At 54, I have reduced from 5 workouts every 14 days to 4 for recovery purposes. Weights are getting pretty heavy (to me anyway), though I have no idea whether I'm getting close to the end of my linear progression (listed below if needed).
My question:
I have begun to experience soreness/pain (not DOMS) in my right bicep area near the elbow in between workouts. Should I rest? Or power through? It does not seem to hamper my lifts, nor is it particularly painful at the time. I've never lifted in any kind of program before, so I'm not sure if this is a common malady that I shouldn't be that concerned about or not. Thanks.
Stats:
54/5'11"/195
Squats 260 5/5/5
Bench 190 5/5/5
Press 125 5/5/5
Deadlift 315 5
Chinups (actually pull-ups for 4 at body weight, hammer grip chinups at body weight 5/5)0 -
newheavensearth wrote: »Collagen peptide and hyalnauric (sic) acid powder for loose skin? Any use or did I waste pocket change?
I have my doubts that this will help loose skin however there does seem to be some potential benefit to collagen and skin health. This would be the primary resource I would recommend for all supplements and I pulled the entry on collagen for you if you'd like to take a look: https://examine.com/supplements/type-ii-collagen/
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paperpudding wrote: »I dont understand what " Angus is peppered "means??
that is my question.
The original term was something potentially offensive for these boards so I won't post it, but people changed the original phrase to pepper your angus, which is something that caught on in the fitness community.0 -
Silentpadna wrote: »Not a weight loss question, really more fitness. And thanks for doing this.
In my current strength training program (Starting Strength after switching from Strong Lifts), I've been at it for a little over 6 months. At 54, I have reduced from 5 workouts every 14 days to 4 for recovery purposes. Weights are getting pretty heavy (to me anyway), though I have no idea whether I'm getting close to the end of my linear progression (listed below if needed).
My question:
I have begun to experience soreness/pain (not DOMS) in my right bicep area near the elbow in between workouts. Should I rest? Or power through? It does not seem to hamper my lifts, nor is it particularly painful at the time. I've never lifted in any kind of program before, so I'm not sure if this is a common malady that I shouldn't be that concerned about or not. Thanks.
Stats:
54/5'11"/195
Squats 260 5/5/5
Bench 190 5/5/5
Press 125 5/5/5
Deadlift 315 5
Chinups (actually pull-ups for 4 at body weight, hammer grip chinups at body weight 5/5)
I'd be curious if this hurts during chin ups and I'd also be curious if you pull with a mixed grip AND if you are experiencing pain on the under-hand side of the mixed grip?
I can't diagnose anything as it's out of my wheelhouse, but if you're in doubt I'd first recommend resting it from any movements that seem to cause any issues. The two I've listed and any rowing/isolation movements involving elbow flexion are likely to be culprits.
I also have the same issue right now on my right side. I've switched to hook grip (a type of double overhand) and really light training for anything involving elbow flexion.
When it doubt, get it looked at by a physical therapist.4 -
My trainer has switched me from a typical powerlifting type workout to more of a hypertrophy workout (on week 3 of 6 currently). My elbows and knees are much more achy, not injured or pain, just achy. Am I just old (42)? Will milk and meatballs help?3
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quiksylver296 wrote: »My trainer has switched me from a typical powerlifting type workout to more of a hypertrophy workout (on week 3 of 6 currently). My elbows and knees are much more achy, not injured or pain, just achy. Am I just old (42)? Will milk and meatballs help?
1) Yes, you are old. I'm 40, so man, you're old. Also if you are bigger and stronger than me, you're on gear.
2) Milk and meatballs ALWAYS helps.4 -
In for milk and meatballs.2
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VintageFeline wrote: »In for milk and meatballs.
In for any food right now... but hell milk and meatballs sound pretty darned good right now
(dealing with corticosteroid munchies due to chronic bronchitis treatment which I'll thankfully get to stop soon. Tapering off starting tomorrow.)0 -
Hey @SideSteel!
I was wondering your opinion on something. In terms of training for aesthetic, physique purposes (mostly) do you think women benefit from different type of training than men? I know women can do what men do.. no problem there.. but for optimal results I have seen so much research indicating we should be working differently... more frequency, more volume, etc. as I have heard women have a better ability to recover and more resistant to fatigue.
Would love to hear your thoughts, thanks!4 -
Silentpadna wrote: »Not a weight loss question, really more fitness. And thanks for doing this.
In my current strength training program (Starting Strength after switching from Strong Lifts), I've been at it for a little over 6 months. At 54, I have reduced from 5 workouts every 14 days to 4 for recovery purposes. Weights are getting pretty heavy (to me anyway), though I have no idea whether I'm getting close to the end of my linear progression (listed below if needed).
My question:
I have begun to experience soreness/pain (not DOMS) in my right bicep area near the elbow in between workouts. Should I rest? Or power through? It does not seem to hamper my lifts, nor is it particularly painful at the time. I've never lifted in any kind of program before, so I'm not sure if this is a common malady that I shouldn't be that concerned about or not. Thanks.
Stats:
54/5'11"/195
Squats 260 5/5/5
Bench 190 5/5/5
Press 125 5/5/5
Deadlift 315 5
Chinups (actually pull-ups for 4 at body weight, hammer grip chinups at body weight 5/5)
I'd be curious if this hurts during chin ups and I'd also be curious if you pull with a mixed grip AND if you are experiencing pain on the under-hand side of the mixed grip?
I can't diagnose anything as it's out of my wheelhouse, but if you're in doubt I'd first recommend resting it from any movements that seem to cause any issues. The two I've listed and any rowing/isolation movements involving elbow flexion are likely to be culprits.
I also have the same issue right now on my right side. I've switched to hook grip (a type of double overhand) and really light training for anything involving elbow flexion.
When it doubt, get it looked at by a physical therapist.
It does not hurt during chinups.
I do pull with a mixed grip (for working weight) - I alternate which hand is "under" from one workout to the next.. However, since adding chalk, I may be able to go back to standard grip - that made a huge difference ( I had never used it before). Grip was my limiting factor starting at about 265 pounds and I couldn't do the "hook grip".
I'll probably have it looked at and see. When I was away from the gym for about 10 days recently, it was actually worse. Thanks!0
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