Has Weight Watchers gone insane?
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I just plain hate fruit all together lololol5
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quiltingjaine wrote: »In response to the pineapple/watermelon remarks -
I did not eat a whole pineapple in one sitting but those fruits became my “go to” foods if I was hungry between meals. So my blood sugar would shoot in and then crash and I would be hungry again, so, more fruit. The leader KNEW what I was doing and never once suggested limiting my portions. Since the new list of free foods says “no need to weigh, measure, or track” these foods, unless a leader adds “in moderation,” it sounds like a free for all!
Thank you, @MrsHarryWinston! My point exactly!
@HellYeahItsKriss My WW location in Illinois has a separate room for weigh in. That was nice. It should be private. Maybe the idea is to humiliate us into sticking with it.
@Dnarules I got the new info this morning. I’m going to continue to track on MFP but also going to try to track in their tracker - continuing to eat Keto. I’m curious how many points I’m eating in their plan. I bet a bunch! And I’m losing every week. 20# since mid-July.
That would be interesting to track while on keto WW points really demonize fat.3 -
Maybe.. they could of changed a lot since then... if i was maybe 14-15 at that time and i am 31 now, a lot could of changed with their weigh in methods..
That being said, nova scotia sucks for everything... when i was younger i joined a boys and girls club and these clubs are supposed to be for kids to have after school activities until their parents got off work.. the commercials often show them with nice facilities with tons of sports equipment and activities... however mine.. was a one room box with a tiny side room with nothing in each room except chairs.. the boys often brought their own hockey stuff and took up the main room to play and the rest of us were stuck in the small cubby hole off to the side. lol..0 -
HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »I tried Weight Watchers once and that public weigh in where you stand in front of everybody like your waiting at the gates to get scanned at an airport was enough to mortify me at the age of whatever teenage age I was at when I joined for me to never go back
We didn't do that. We had stations, and your weigh in was private. No one knew whether you lost or gained.
Unfortunately some areas -- or anyway, some weighers -- don't abide by that. I was well past my teens and that could be pretty unnerving.1 -
HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »I tried Weight Watchers once and that public weigh in where you stand in front of everybody like your waiting at the gates to get scanned at an airport was enough to mortify me at the age of whatever teenage age I was at when I joined for me to never go back
We didn't do that. We had stations, and your weigh in was private. No one knew whether you lost or gained.
Unfortunately some areas -- or anyway, some weighers -- don't abide by that. I was well past my teens and that could be pretty unnerving.
Oh, I agree. I probably would have quit sooner if that had been the case. My point was just they are not all the same.1 -
The fact that they say “no measuring or tracking” the new free foods is a little concerning. They did lower the daily points though. I don’t know, calories are still calories and I think lean proteins should be counted. That’s just me though.5
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HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »I tried Weight Watchers once and that public weigh in where you stand in front of everybody like your waiting at the gates to get scanned at an airport was enough to mortify me at the age of whatever teenage age I was at when I joined for me to never go back
We didn't do that. We had stations, and your weigh in was private. No one knew whether you lost or gained.
I did WW when i was a teenager,my grandmother took me. We did weigh ins behind a screen when we showed up. If you showed up late and the meeting had already started you got weighed in after. no one knew anything unless you told them.0 -
HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »I tried Weight Watchers once and that public weigh in where you stand in front of everybody like your waiting at the gates to get scanned at an airport was enough to mortify me at the age of whatever teenage age I was at when I joined for me to never go back
We didn't do that. We had stations, and your weigh in was private. No one knew whether you lost or gained.
I did WW when i was a teenager,my grandmother took me. We did weigh ins behind a screen when we showed up. If you showed up late and the meeting had already started you got weighed in after. no one knew anything unless you told them.
When we went, you weighed in the open, but the screen with the weight on it was right in front of the recorder and they didn't say it out loud - just wrote it down1 -
I plan to try the new program, but also continue to track here as a way to make sure I’m not overdoing the ‘free” foods. I think of it as a way to direct me towards healthier choices.7
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I'm trying the new program as a free Lifetime member. Day one went smooth. I ate a ham and cheese wrap with grapes for breakfast. Chow mein, half egg roll, more grapes, and fried rice for lunch. Dinner will be grilled chicken, corn, broccoli (the "zero point foods") and Halo Top for dinner. Still within my points. Used half my exercise calories, so I'm still at a deficit too. Everything was weighed. I don't care if it's zero I will always weigh, measure, and log it. What I do notice is that I don't feel guilty for my food choices though. Lunch would have made me feel like garbage on the Smart Points debacle.3
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I ate a whole pineapple from the farmers market one summer. The most delicious fruit I ever ate... and then my mouth hurt so bad from all the acid that I couldn’t eat anything else for two days. So i guess those 450 calories didn’t do much damage lol25
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I am on WW, I'm finding the new program very flexible. I ate TONS of 0 point foods, including: 2 eggs, grapes, apple, celery, lettuce, chicken breast. Within REASON you can eat these things, WW does not tell you to gorge yourself on 0 point foods. They make them 0 points because they know that people will not overdo them. I get 23 points a day, I dipped into my weeklies by 4. I calculated my calories to be around 1,450. I'm in a deficit by at least 500. Feeling good! They do demonize SATURATED FAT (not all Fat), and sugar but they are not off limits, you just have to ask yourself, is it really worth 15 points for a slice of cake...10
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I am on WW, I'm finding the new program very flexible. I ate TONS of 0 point foods, including: 2 eggs, grapes, apple, celery, lettuce, chicken breast. Within REASON you can eat these things, WW does not tell you to gorge yourself on 0 point foods. They make them 0 points because they know that people will not overdo them. I get 23 points a day, I dipped into my weeklies by 4. I calculated my calories to be around 1,450. I'm in a deficit by at least 500. Feeling good! They do demonize SATURATED FAT (not all Fat), and sugar but they are not off limits, you just have to ask yourself, is it really worth 15 points for a slice of cake...
How do they know people won't overdo them? It would be pretty easy for me to put away a fair amount of grapes, or chicken breast, or eggs if I was hungry and thinking of those as free foods.
I guess if the foods they say are "free" are foods you personally don't overeat, it would work. But the foods you listed aren't universally hard to overeat.21 -
I am on WW, I'm finding the new program very flexible. I ate TONS of 0 point foods, including: 2 eggs, grapes, apple, celery, lettuce, chicken breast. Within REASON you can eat these things, WW does not tell you to gorge yourself on 0 point foods. They make them 0 points because they know that people will not overdo them. I get 23 points a day, I dipped into my weeklies by 4. I calculated my calories to be around 1,450. I'm in a deficit by at least 500. Feeling good! They do demonize SATURATED FAT (not all Fat), and sugar but they are not off limits, you just have to ask yourself, is it really worth 15 points for a slice of cake...
How do they know people won't overdo them? It would be pretty easy for me to put away a fair amount of grapes, or chicken breast, or eggs if I was hungry and thinking of those as free foods.
I guess if the foods they say are "free" are foods you personally don't overeat, it would work. But the foods you listed aren't universally hard to overeat.
They (WW) don't "know" that someone wont over eat them, just like MFP does not know that you are accurately tracking your food down to the gram. It's really up to the individual to be honest with things. There may be people that think they can gorge themselves on 0 point foods and they learn really quick that they will not lose weight. Most people on WeightWatchers understand what a serving is. Yes, when you're hungry you can overdo it on a lot of things, and that's universal for any program you are doing.6 -
But why should a slice of cake have to cost 15 points? And how big is the slice? If a 3" square slice of birthday cake is about 350 calories, why should it run you more almost 2/3s of your daily allotment?
And it is VERY possible to overdo 0-point foods. Even if WW doesn't tell you to gorge on them, the perception is that if the foods are 0 points, you can eat them without penalty. A 3-egg omelet or fritatta is already at 210 calories before I add any oil or veggies to it. So. A couple of days ago, this was my lunch and supper:
1101 calories total.
BUT, only 120-165 of my lunch calories would apparently have point values (eggs, oil, and veggie dogs for sure. Not positive whether peas and salsa are zero points).
And only 332-428 of my supper calories would have point values. Which means that out of those 1101 calories, I would track only 452-593, or around half of them. And then, couldn't I be excused for thinking that I had space leftover to eat more? But in fact, whether WW tracks them or not, I've eaten anywhere from 450-600 calories more than I think I have.
That's one of the reasons I got fed up with WW. Their points have become more and more divorced from accurate calorie values with each "new" program rollout. I'd prefer to track everything and avoid 'hidden' calories.
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Esterdragonbat. I took at look at your diary, thanks for having that public. If you found a program that works for you that's great! Once you've been on the WW program long enough you memorize points for all foods. There are numerous success stories that have proven that their technique works. Any program works if you are willing to follow it. Good luck on your journey and I hope you find success!12
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And there's always the option of tracking it anyway even if it is zero. I'm not food or calorie blind because foods are zero. My diary is open. Not as exciting, but its all there.3
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I am on WW, I'm finding the new program very flexible. I ate TONS of 0 point foods, including: 2 eggs, grapes, apple, celery, lettuce, chicken breast. Within REASON you can eat these things, WW does not tell you to gorge yourself on 0 point foods. They make them 0 points because they know that people will not overdo them. I get 23 points a day, I dipped into my weeklies by 4. I calculated my calories to be around 1,450. I'm in a deficit by at least 500. Feeling good! They do demonize SATURATED FAT (not all Fat), and sugar but they are not off limits, you just have to ask yourself, is it really worth 15 points for a slice of cake...
im confused by this... does WW really think people only over do certain foods? No one over eats chicken? no one over eats eggs? All it takes for most people to be a little hungry at dinner time to add a second chicken breast to their plate or make a big plate of scrambled eggs..
Grapes.. if you sat down on the couch watching tv with the bag, i am pretty sure people would eat them the same as they would a bag of chips..
To think that only certain foods are over indulged on just proves to me how weight watchers is using that to further set people up for failure to keep the money rolling in.21 -
HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »I am on WW, I'm finding the new program very flexible. I ate TONS of 0 point foods, including: 2 eggs, grapes, apple, celery, lettuce, chicken breast. Within REASON you can eat these things, WW does not tell you to gorge yourself on 0 point foods. They make them 0 points because they know that people will not overdo them. I get 23 points a day, I dipped into my weeklies by 4. I calculated my calories to be around 1,450. I'm in a deficit by at least 500. Feeling good! They do demonize SATURATED FAT (not all Fat), and sugar but they are not off limits, you just have to ask yourself, is it really worth 15 points for a slice of cake...
im confused by this... does WW really think people only over do certain foods? No one over eats chicken? no one over eats eggs? All it takes for most people to be a little hungry at dinner time to add a second chicken breast to their plate or make a big plate of scrambled eggs..
Grapes.. if you sat down on the couch watching tv with the bag, i am pretty sure people would eat them the same as they would a bag of chips..
To think that only certain foods are over indulged on just proves to me how weight watchers is using that to further set people up for failure to keep the money rolling in.
From their site:
"Why have these foods been chosen to be zero Points® foods?
These foods form the basis of a healthy eating pattern. They are nutrient dense foods that can be enjoyed as part of a healthy eating plan. Our research shows that they do not pose a risk for overconsumption."
I can't access the list, but apparently salmon is on it. I'm in. I could eat salmon all day every day.
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Alatariel75 wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »I am on WW, I'm finding the new program very flexible. I ate TONS of 0 point foods, including: 2 eggs, grapes, apple, celery, lettuce, chicken breast. Within REASON you can eat these things, WW does not tell you to gorge yourself on 0 point foods. They make them 0 points because they know that people will not overdo them. I get 23 points a day, I dipped into my weeklies by 4. I calculated my calories to be around 1,450. I'm in a deficit by at least 500. Feeling good! They do demonize SATURATED FAT (not all Fat), and sugar but they are not off limits, you just have to ask yourself, is it really worth 15 points for a slice of cake...
im confused by this... does WW really think people only over do certain foods? No one over eats chicken? no one over eats eggs? All it takes for most people to be a little hungry at dinner time to add a second chicken breast to their plate or make a big plate of scrambled eggs..
Grapes.. if you sat down on the couch watching tv with the bag, i am pretty sure people would eat them the same as they would a bag of chips..
To think that only certain foods are over indulged on just proves to me how weight watchers is using that to further set people up for failure to keep the money rolling in.
From their site:
"Why have these foods been chosen to be zero Points® foods?
These foods form the basis of a healthy eating pattern. They are nutrient dense foods that can be enjoyed as part of a healthy eating plan. Our research shows that they do not pose a risk for overconsumption."
I can't access the list, but apparently salmon is on it. I'm in. I could eat salmon all day every day.
... why.. why is there no face palm emoji lol
Lol.. so are pork chops on there too? or is lean pork different from lean chicken?
So.. I could have a chicken breast.. cause... its free and then i will eat all my free veggies and the only thing i have to count is potato? That whole meal wouldn't take up much of my points, so could i use more free foods later? is there a limit to the freebies at all since they are not at risk of over consumption?9
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