Has Weight Watchers gone insane?

I've been saying it from the beginning.. Lol..
They want members to fail. It's a business model.. You can't make money without people who want to lose. Giving them a program that gives some success but they begin to struggle with then quit.. and having those same people return thinking it was their fault it didn't work is the perfect loop of forever flow of income.

They keep changeing the plan to make themselves seem fresh and current with the so many fad diets and weight loss media garbage making people believe in pointless things like meal timing and vinegar and detox drinks and cleanses

suzannesimmons3 wrote: »

lorrpb wrote: »

I agree all foods should be tracked but you have to eat a lot of watermelons and pineapples to gain weight! They are not exactly calorie dense foods.

There's over 450 calories in a pineapple. .....one pineapple. ...

IMO it is not WW's fault if someone believes a whole pineapple is 0 points. When I did WW's, we were told to consider serving sizes. We were also told to do approximately 2 fruits and 3 veggie at 0. I realize not all WW leaders are the same, and this was back in 2012.

People think of Whole Foods as too much food because they're not looking at the abstract concept

People go... Who eats a whole pineapple but the point is is that nobody is sitting down and eating a whole pineapple it's the fact that they are eating their meals on top of consuming a pineapple 450 calories of pineapple whether it's spread out over one day or two days or 3 days is still going to take up a nice chunk of your deficit if the pineapple is not just going to be a meal and is being considered a free food that doesn't count as anything

I just ate 150 cals worth of pineapple. Of I add 100 cals of watermelon that shrinks my deficit from 750 to 500 cals a day in a snap. Say I thought they were free foods. If I were trying to eat at maintenance every day and thought these were zero point snack I would actually be gaining weight. Maybe not QUICKLY but still gaining. 250 cal surplus every day of pineapple and watermelon. Aaaaaand that’s how it makes you fat.

MsHarryWinston wrote: »

I just ate 150 cals worth of pineapple. Of I add 100 cals of watermelon that shrinks my deficit from 750 to 500 cals a day in a snap. Say I thought they were free foods. If I were trying to eat at maintenance every day and thought these were zero point snack I would actually be gaining weight. Maybe not QUICKLY but still gaining. 250 cal surplus every day of pineapple and watermelon. Aaaaaand that’s how it makes you fat.

But you can't compare mfp method to WW like that. Mfp is designed so that you track everything. With WW, the points are pretty dang restrictive, especially if you make what they consider to be "poor" choices. The assumption is that the free food encourage fruit and veggie intake.

I did both for a month, and clearly preferred mfp. This will be my last post on this, because I've heard the newer system is even more restrictive, and I would prefer people use mfp.

HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »

I tried Weight Watchers once and that public weigh in where you stand in front of everybody like your waiting at the gates to get scanned at an airport was enough to mortify me at the age of whatever teenage age I was at when I joined for me to never go back

Years ago I worked at U-Weight Loss. Long before I knew better but quit when I realized how predatory and horrible they are. Anyway councilors had to be on the program. Ugh it triggered my ED (that I thought I was over) so badly! Weigh ins SUCKED. One day I mentioned that my time of month could bloat me up to 10lbs because i carry water weight like crazy. My boss said that she was glad I said something because I had been about to get a “talking to” for gaining so much weight so quickly and obviously lying about my food logging. *eyeroll*

While not WW, I have seen the inside of the weightloss big business beast and it is SCARY. Those people have sold their souls. I had people come into the “clinic” and tell me they couldn’t pay their RENT because of the cost of the program , and I was still supposed to convince them that $300 worth of protein powder and multi-vitamins were more important than paying their bills and the only way to succeed.
I quit so fast!

I must of been young at the time, perhaps in jr high school... I was very over weight and stores only went to a size 13 for pretty much all clothing. I don't think plus size stores were very common then either, like they are now. So at the time, i was squeezing into the pants that barely covered my butt crack or went up over my love handles and i would compensate that by tying my jacket around my waist.

so at this weight watchers they have 4 stations, none of them were private and you stood in the lobby with a ton of people and they weighed you, since i couldn't leave the jacket around my waist, i had to stand in front of everyone with those pants that barely fit showing my butt cheeks. Very mortifying at that age.. i suppose now i wouldn't care LOL im older and can joke about that stuff, but i had no self esteem back then

In response to the pineapple/watermelon remarks -

I did not eat a whole pineapple in one sitting but those fruits became my “go to” foods if I was hungry between meals. So my blood sugar would shoot in and then crash and I would be hungry again, so, more fruit. The leader KNEW what I was doing and never once suggested limiting my portions. Since the new list of free foods says “no need to weigh, measure, or track” these foods, unless a leader adds “in moderation,” it sounds like a free for all!

Thank you, @MrsHarryWinston! My point exactly!

@HellYeahItsKriss My WW location in Illinois has a separate room for weigh in. That was nice. It should be private. Maybe the idea is to humiliate us into sticking with it.

@Dnarules I got the new info this morning. I’m going to continue to track on MFP but also going to try to track in their tracker - continuing to eat Keto. I’m curious how many points I’m eating in their plan. I bet a bunch! And I’m losing every week. 20# since mid-July.