When food woo goes too far
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dinadyna21 wrote: »
Where did you learn the facts that you believe in? How do you KNOW your facts aren't woo?
Oh, good, more "we can't know anything 100% so every idea is equally valid."26 -
Regardless of what he believes he was wrong to throw away food that you paid for. If he didn't want to eat it he did not have to. He doesn't get to decide you can't eat it though.
Going foward he should reimburse you and buy his own food. If you want to support him maybe give him some money and he can budget and shop for the kind of foods he wants.5 -
Nevermind the meat. You already have plenty.
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dinadyna21 wrote: »
Where did you learn the facts that you believe in? How do you KNOW your facts aren't woo?
Does her brother have the right to impose his believes on her by throwing out her food? Does someone not believing in naturopathy bother you?
No, it doesn't. I'm more questioning her immediate judgment of the chiro's knowledge (which none of us know exactly what he and his patient discussed) and what makes her knowledge of diet more valid than the chiro's. I see a lot of immediate judgment on these forums and for people who speak about science so highly, you'd think they would understand that science is built on the premise of new ideas and open mindedness. Louis Pasteur rejected spontaneous generation and was criticized for it until he had solid repeatable evidence (this seems pretty accepted now). Darwin, oh boy nobody liked him when he was developing the theory of evolution (there are people who still reject this, that's fine). Then there's the whole earth isn't the center of the universe debacle (not sure how this fits into the current flat earth situation). Oh, how about the researcher who downed a test tube of H. pylori to demonstrate that it can cause ulcers.
I have no issue with someone not believing in ND's. I acknowledge the resistance towards the field, I acknowledge that some ND's have done things that hurt the program more than help it (uhh not that all MD's are squeaky clean). That said, I reached a point in undergrad where I also acknowledged that nobody (or very few) is getting better from the standard western medicine and would rather focus my attention elsewhere. I have had PLENTY of opposition towards my career path. However, when I am respected enough to be heard, and not immediately dismissed, people tend to understand what my intentions are and know that I'm not insane. No, I don't think that you can take an herb like you would take a pharmaceutical and have the same effect. My focus is on integrative medicine. The study of epigenetics/nutrigenomics is fascinating to me and when I ask questions like what I did, they are genuine and not at all trolling. I personally don't really have much of an opinion. People do weird, irrational things all the time when they feel inspired by someone, good or bad.
Are you seriously equating a chiro's talk about toxins and crap like that to Darwin?
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No one should believe in it, as it's all pseudoscience.dinadyna21 wrote: »
Where did you learn the facts that you believe in? How do you KNOW your facts aren't woo?
Does her brother have the right to impose his believes on her by throwing out her food? Does someone not believing in naturopathy bother you?
I have no issue with someone not believing in ND's.
The only way to help the field of Naturopathy would be for Naturopaths to abandon all their treatment modalities that are based on pseudoscience, prescientific notions of how the human body works and those that have been shown to not work. The only problem with that is that the quacks would have no way of ripping off their victims with fake diagnoses and useless supplements as their would be nothing left to offer.I acknowledge the resistance towards the field, I acknowledge that some ND's have done things that hurt the program more than help it
What the hell are you talking about? 50 yrs ago a child getting diagnosed with leukemia was a death sentence, today 90% chance of a normal healthy life. 40 years ago you went into the ER with chest pain you ended up with open heart surgery, today you walk out the next day with a stent. Would you like me to go on? Yeah, nobody or very few people are getting better with "standard western medicine." Genius.That said, I reached a point in undergrad where I also acknowledged that nobody (or very few) is getting better from the standard western medicine and would rather focus my attention elsewhere.
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Alatariel75 wrote: »I figure that no matter what the chrio is telling OPs brother, if it's extreme enough to think he's justified throwing out all of OPs food, then it's woo.
This ×1000
This man has my brother believing that salt with dextrose is poison, that non organic foods will kill you, and that all the world's health problems have to do with candida overgrowth. Despite scientific evidence, that I've shown him, to the contrary. As others have said he can choose to believe either of us. I'm allowed to feel insulted he'd choose a complete stranger but he crossed a line throwing out my food.14 -
dinadyna21 wrote: »
Where did you learn the facts that you believe in? How do you KNOW your facts aren't woo?
The fact she said is that her brother threw out property that did not belong to him.5 -
No one should believe in it, as it's all pseudoscience.dinadyna21 wrote: »
Where did you learn the facts that you believe in? How do you KNOW your facts aren't woo?
Does her brother have the right to impose his believes on her by throwing out her food? Does someone not believing in naturopathy bother you?
I have no issue with someone not believing in ND's.
The only way to help the field of Naturopathy would be for Naturopaths to abandon all their treatment modalities that are based on pseudoscience, prescientific notions of how the human body works and those that have been shown to not work. The only problem with that is that the quacks would have no way of ripping off their victims with fake diagnoses and useless supplements as their would be nothing left to offer.I acknowledge the resistance towards the field, I acknowledge that some ND's have done things that hurt the program more than help it
What the hell are you talking about? 50 yrs ago a child getting diagnosed with leukemia was a death sentence, today 90% chance of a normal healthy life. 40 years ago you went into the ER with chest pain you ended up with open heart surgery, today you walk out the next day with a stent. Would you like me to go on? Yeah, nobody or very few people are getting better with "standard western medicine." Genius.That said, I reached a point in undergrad where I also acknowledged that nobody (or very few) is getting better from the standard western medicine and would rather focus my attention elsewhere.
Wow, I missed that bit. No one is getting better with standard western medicine?
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Wow.
You should make him pay for what he has thrown away and ask him to buy whatever he wants to eat from his pocket. I would immediately stop buying food for him, as he is not respecting what you are doing for him
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Chiropractic is non-science quackery.4
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We had a conversation last night about it, he still doesn't see why what he did was crazy. At this point I've given up on trying to convince him otherwise.
I told him I'm not buying any more food for him, just myself. He did agree not to mess with my food anymore, which I'll take as a win. As for paying for what he damaged, he said he couldn't afford to right now but he would try to set aside money from his paycheck to do so. At this point I'm gonna take it as a loss, and a lesson learned to never live with my siblings ever again.8 -
dinadyna21 wrote: »We had a conversation last night about it, he still doesn't see why what he did was crazy. At this point I've given up on trying to convince him otherwise.
I told him I'm not buying any more food for him, just myself. He did agree not to mess with my food anymore, which I'll take as a win. As for paying for what he damaged, he said he couldn't afford to right now but he would try to set aside money from his paycheck to do so. At this point I'm gonna take it as a loss, and a lesson learned to never live with my siblings ever again.
I'm really not sure I could afford to let him get away with that... I guess if you've been feeding him up until now then you've got the extra slack in your budget though. Replacing all my seasonings at once could easily kill a weeks' food budget for me! Or more, since I tend to bulk buy some things.
Ignore the diet rubbish - what he did was theft. Taking with intent to permanently deprive in the UK. That is what makes it crazy IMO. I'm obviously not suggesting you go to the police, but pointing out that you'd be justified in doing so might be the wake up call he needs?
Have to admit, I'd be intrigued to know how long he sticks with the "non organic food will kill you" lark when he's got to pay for it out of his own pocket, given that he is apparently poor enough to have his sister buy his food for him... starving is unambigously detrimental to one's health!7 -
What is it with these chiropractors any more - why can't they just do what they were trained to do and leave nutrition out of it? One here has one of my friends completely fooled about Organic, Free Range, Grass Fed, etc too. She keeps telling me as long as she eats the organic version she will maintain her weight and stay healthy. I keep telling her she can eat TOO much organic food too - it's not like it magically doesn't have calories. She disagrees, saying that if you eat healthy food you can't overeat. I laugh because I can put down some organic pecans like the next girl...
I LIKE to buy good grass fed stuff, but sometimes it just doesn't fit into my budget. I see the benefit, but I'm not that nieve to believe that other food is full of toxins either.
People can believe what they wish. But don't start pushing that BS on me. I'm sorry about your brother, OP. I'd make him pay you back for the food, even if it has to be over time (if he's limited on funds). Please don't let him get away with that.6 -
dinadyna21 wrote: »@malibu927 I told him I expect him to pay it back, he didn't say much after that and went to his room. The worst part is I buy all our food because he doesn't make much, if he wanted me to buy something different he could've asked and I would try to accommodate.
Unfortunately we're roommates until February when I'll be moving out and getting my own place. I love my brother but he's gone nuts.
Oh.
Hell.
No.
If I was you I would make a new rule, effective immediately. Wanna eat? Buy your own bleeping food. Don't like the food that I am buying for YOU? Don't eat it! The end, love, your sister.
Eta - I should have read the whole thread first. Good for you!
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A woo-peddling chiropractor had me visit her 4 times a week for my health, caught my vertebral artery between 2 vertebrae and caused me to have a massive stroke and re-learn speaking, walking, and almost cost me my life. Tell him to buy you the vegetables again and I'd express my concern for HIS health.4
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Where did you learn the facts that you believe in? How do you KNOW your facts aren't woo?
https://www.reddit.com/r/im14andthisisdeep/
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Rosemary7391 wrote: »dinadyna21 wrote: »We had a conversation last night about it, he still doesn't see why what he did was crazy. At this point I've given up on trying to convince him otherwise.
I told him I'm not buying any more food for him, just myself. He did agree not to mess with my food anymore, which I'll take as a win. As for paying for what he damaged, he said he couldn't afford to right now but he would try to set aside money from his paycheck to do so. At this point I'm gonna take it as a loss, and a lesson learned to never live with my siblings ever again.
I'm really not sure I could afford to let him get away with that... I guess if you've been feeding him up until now then you've got the extra slack in your budget though. Replacing all my seasonings at once could easily kill a weeks' food budget for me! Or more, since I tend to bulk buy some things.
Ignore the diet rubbish - what he did was theft. Taking with intent to permanently deprive in the UK. That is what makes it crazy IMO. I'm obviously not suggesting you go to the police, but pointing out that you'd be justified in doing so might be the wake up call he needs?
Have to admit, I'd be intrigued to know how long he sticks with the "non organic food will kill you" lark when he's got to pay for it out of his own pocket, given that he is apparently poor enough to have his sister buy his food for him... starving is unambigously detrimental to one's health!
He'll learn pretty quickly now that he's buying food for himself. Organic is nice but it's not cheap, one of the many reasons I refused to buy organic is because I wanted enough food for all of us to last. No good deed goes unpunished I guess.
Unfortunately, he's not the worst in a long list of thefts perpetuated by the members of my family. A story for another time, but the short of it is my family is *kitten* crazy.1 -
No, it doesn't. I'm more questioning her immediate judgment of the chiro's knowledge (which none of us know exactly what he and his patient discussed) and what makes her knowledge of diet more valid than the chiro's. I see a lot of immediate judgment on these forums and for people who speak about science so highly, you'd think they would understand that science is built on the premise of new ideas and open mindedness. Louis Pasteur rejected spontaneous generation and was criticized for it until he had solid repeatable evidence (this seems pretty accepted now). Darwin, oh boy nobody liked him when he was developing the theory of evolution (there are people who still reject this, that's fine). Then there's the whole earth isn't the center of the universe debacle (not sure how this fits into the current flat earth situation). Oh, how about the researcher who downed a test tube of H. pylori to demonstrate that it can cause ulcers.
No, it is not. That is complete and total *kitten*. Science is built on sketching out theories based on existing data, testing out those theories rigorously, having others attempt to poke holes in your theories by replicating your experiments or reviewing your data for biases and errors, and THEN if it passes all that it gets accepted. People like Darwin were not sitting outside dreaming one day, and Darwin wasn't even the first one to come up with the idea of evolution. What he brought to the game was observable and repeatable data. (Oh and plenty of his generation liked him just fine.)
Pasteur built his work on others, including Francesco Redi who was two centuries before him. It was his use of the scientific method and repeatable experiments that mattered.
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