CICO the lastest fad diet
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WEDNESDAY, Nov. 22, 2017 (HealthDay News) -- What if you could have your cake, eat it, too, and lose weight?
A nutritional fad called CICO -- short for "Calories In, Calories Out" -- promises just that for those looking to shed some pounds.
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WEDNESDAY, Nov. 22, 2017 (HealthDay News) -- What if you could have your cake, eat it, too, and lose weight?
A nutritional fad called CICO -- short for "Calories In, Calories Out" -- promises just that for those looking to shed some pounds.
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Wtaf...
That article was confusing as hell.5 -
I got called a liar on another MFP discussion for saying there's people that just count calories and disregard nutrition.17
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Well, it's been confused for a long time that all that matters is calories in calories out. Problem is there are hormones and they are a bigger factor than some think but highly variable from person to person35
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joemac1988 wrote: »I got called a liar on another MFP discussion for saying there's people that just count calories and disregard nutrition.
And the author of this article is as confused on the subject as you are.
" Sandon pointed out that "canned diet plans rarely work and are hard to stick with."
Instead, she advocates forgoing the "quick-fix mentality" in favor of a long-term resolution to embrace a "combination of healthy eating and exercise."
For example, Sandon said, "Reduce calories by cutting back on portion sizes or use pre-portioned foods, such as frozen meals, to cut back on total food intake.""
Pretty much the standard advice given here.
Different person quoted
""Severely restricting calories or food groups, along with rapid weight loss, are likely to backfire for many reasons, and the dieter will be left feeling frustrated," she added."
Again, this seems to be the tone of those promoting calorie counting.21 -
"It is far more important to eat healthy foods like broccoli, edamame, pecans, berries, pasta and olive oil than go on some crazy weight-loss fad diet," Heller said."
Would a broccoli-edamame-pecan-berry-pasta-olive oil diet not be a crazy, nutritionally lacking, weight loss fad diet? More so than eating appropriate portions of a variety of foods...
The whole article is ridiculously confused.23 -
I do firmly buy into CICO - but I have to admit I love seeing articles like this and others because it so ticks off all the right people on here.26
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liftingbro wrote: »Well, it's been confused for a long time that all that matters is calories in calories out. Problem is there are hormones and they are a bigger factor than some think but highly variable from person to person
Yup, and different macros affect your body differently so depending on the person, their goals, etc there's more to the story than just calories.32 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »"It is far more important to eat healthy foods like broccoli, edamame, pecans, berries, pasta and olive oil than go on some crazy weight-loss fad diet," Heller said."
Would a broccoli-edamame-pecan-berry-pasta-olive oil diet not be a crazy, nutritionally lacking, weight loss fad diet? More so than eating appropriate portions of a variety of foods...
The whole article is ridiculously confused.
I was like "those foods are so random..."2 -
joemac1988 wrote: »liftingbro wrote: »Well, it's been confused for a long time that all that matters is calories in calories out. Problem is there are hormones and they are a bigger factor than some think but highly variable from person to person
Yup, and different macros affect your body differently so depending on the person, their goals, etc there's more to the story than just calories.
Yup,leptin, insulin , testosterone and others can change the whole calories in vs calories out equation quite a bit.23 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »I got called a liar on another MFP discussion for saying there's people that just count calories and disregard nutrition.
And the author of this article is as confused on the subject as you are.
" Sandon pointed out that "canned diet plans rarely work and are hard to stick with."
Instead, she advocates forgoing the "quick-fix mentality" in favor of a long-term resolution to embrace a "combination of healthy eating and exercise."
For example, Sandon said, "Reduce calories by cutting back on portion sizes or use pre-portioned foods, such as frozen meals, to cut back on total food intake.""
Pretty much the standard advice given here.
Different person quoted
""Severely restricting calories or food groups, along with rapid weight loss, are likely to backfire for many reasons, and the dieter will be left feeling frustrated," she added."
Again, this seems to be the tone of those promoting calorie counting.
I'm not confused at all. I was just told previously "Literally no one on earth tracks CICO and ignores nutrition" and that's not true. I'm totally on board with CICO being a surefire way to lose weight; no argument there.18 -
joemac1988 wrote: »I got called a liar on another MFP discussion for saying there's people that just count calories and disregard nutrition.
There definitely are people like that around, but 1) just because they don't look at nutrition doesn't mean they don't eat a varied and healthy diet, and 2) anyone who lives completely on twinkies and slim jims will feel the effects and realize it's not the best way to do it. When people say CICO is what matters for weight loss they are NOT PROMOTING A JUNK FOOD DIET.27 -
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A poorly written article... Sure, health is more than just weight loss but they basically assumed that anyone who does CICO eats junk all day and has no regard for exercise or eating good foods. Yes, there's more to it but it's a proven weight loss method that, in most cases that I know, encourages people to eat better simply because you can fit more food in when you eat less junk (e.g. a plateful of veggies is way more filling than a single cookie). AND it allows you to still splurge on goodies from time to time because, no matter what, life will throw them your way. So, I'd say that something that teaches you how to eat in a healthy way that works in real life is not just a "fad diet."14
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PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »Wtaf...
That article was confusing as hell.
It's like a weird rewrite of that Daily Mail article that was posted and discussed before.3 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »"It is far more important to eat healthy foods like broccoli, edamame, pecans, berries, pasta and olive oil than go on some crazy weight-loss fad diet," Heller said."
Would a broccoli-edamame-pecan-berry-pasta-olive oil diet not be a crazy, nutritionally lacking, weight loss fad diet? More so than eating appropriate portions of a variety of foods...
The whole article is ridiculously confused.
Can the author reasonably call CICO a "diet" ("crazy weight-loss fad" descriptor or otherwise) since it doesn't prescribe any particular food / drink / macros / nutrient whatsoever?
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@Need2Exerc1se I'm so thoroughly impressed with the responses here already. Wonder how long before it completely pancakes.
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joemac1988 wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »I got called a liar on another MFP discussion for saying there's people that just count calories and disregard nutrition.
And the author of this article is as confused on the subject as you are.
" Sandon pointed out that "canned diet plans rarely work and are hard to stick with."
Instead, she advocates forgoing the "quick-fix mentality" in favor of a long-term resolution to embrace a "combination of healthy eating and exercise."
For example, Sandon said, "Reduce calories by cutting back on portion sizes or use pre-portioned foods, such as frozen meals, to cut back on total food intake.""
Pretty much the standard advice given here.
Different person quoted
""Severely restricting calories or food groups, along with rapid weight loss, are likely to backfire for many reasons, and the dieter will be left feeling frustrated," she added."
Again, this seems to be the tone of those promoting calorie counting.
I'm not confused at all. I was just told previously "Literally no one on earth tracks CICO and ignores nutrition" and that's not true. I'm totally on board with CICO being a surefire way to lose weight; no argument there.
I think there are more than few that track calories and ignore nutrition. Especially when just starting out. I think some add lower calorie nutrient dense foods as much for volume as they do for nutrients.4 -
Anyway, I don't know why some people assume that CICO is a "diet plan" or that focusing on calories means that one doesn't focus on nutrition or care about what you eat (especially since obviously some foods are more filling than others). It's almost too silly to even discuss.
For the record, I do (or advocate) CICO in that I think that (obviously) calories are what determines weight loss. Same with anyone who does anything to change their calorie balance (including just reducing portions or eating more filling foods or whatever, or of course adding exercise).
However, I also choose what I eat based on what works for me and of course (because I am not senseless) care about nutrition.
I cared about nutrition and ate lots of vegetables when I was obese too. That was probably good for me, but obviously not enough.
No one decides to eat poorly because they understand that CICO determines weight loss/gain/maintenance.8 -
I do firmly buy into CICO - but I have to admit I love seeing articles like this and others because it so ticks off all the right people on here.
So you dislike certain posters more than you love the truth? Cool.
Btw, as one of the posters that invariably jumps into these threads, I usually find these discussions fun (if often ridiculous), that's why we participate, probably.18 -
PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »"It is far more important to eat healthy foods like broccoli, edamame, pecans, berries, pasta and olive oil than go on some crazy weight-loss fad diet," Heller said."
Would a broccoli-edamame-pecan-berry-pasta-olive oil diet not be a crazy, nutritionally lacking, weight loss fad diet? More so than eating appropriate portions of a variety of foods...
The whole article is ridiculously confused.
I was like "those foods are so random..."
Heh, so true. Also, I got way fat eating all of those foods but edamame. I eat fewer pecans and less pasta and olive oil now, for sure. So is it more important to eat those foods or more important to eat a calorie-appropriate diet (that is balanced and nutritious also)? Clearly, the latter, period.0 -
Probably won't hear from OP again. Just wanting to get under others skin. Possibly on another site trying to sell a canned gimmick!7
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Probably won't hear from OP again. Just wanting to get under others skin. Possibly on another site trying to sell a canned gimmick!
?? I've already responded once. I didn't write the article, just thought it was odd and might be appreciated here.
Chill out man. Have some more caffeine.13 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »I do firmly buy into CICO - but I have to admit I love seeing articles like this and others because it so ticks off all the right people on here.
So you dislike certain posters more than you love the truth? Cool.
Btw, as one of the posters that invariably jumps into these threads, I usually find these discussions fun (if often ridiculous), that's why we participate, probably.
What in the article is not true?1 -
surely CICO is not a diet in itself, rather the principle behind weight gain / weight loss?
How individuals choose to interpret that message is up to them. i've found that to stick on plan
I have to eat satisfying foods (good protein) and bulky foods or else I'll be hungry. I choose not to eat
cake, pizza, fried chicken and so on because I know I'll just be hungry
Long term you would be healthier eating a more nutritious diet full of vitamins, minerals, phytonutrients, fibre
good fats and complete proteins
but if you can get to a healthy weight by counting calories then you'll do better than being overweight.
I reached 140lbs overweight and got really sick (still am) but have dropped over 50 now by calorie counting
and have stopped the bingeing as a result. I do eat healthy foods but can have a treat from time to time.
Think the article was confounding multiple issues of physics (energy equation), nutrition (what foods nourish the organism and allow it to flourish) and human behaviour.
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diet craze?
that's how you lose weight! :facepalm:
edit: granted you might be a little hungry if you eat JUST junk food all day lol.10 -
CICO doesn't move product or sell like the latest diet "fads". All diets adhere to CICO, the human body CANNOT create energy from nothing nor make ingested energy just disappear. Energy balance always triumphs14
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russelljam08 wrote: »CICO doesn't move product or sell like the latest diet "fads". All diets adhere to CICO, the human body CANNOT create energy from nothing nor make ingested energy just disappear. Energy balance always triumphs
People make money from this site.6 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »I got called a liar on another MFP discussion for saying there's people that just count calories and disregard nutrition.
And the author of this article is as confused on the subject as you are.
" Sandon pointed out that "canned diet plans rarely work and are hard to stick with."
Instead, she advocates forgoing the "quick-fix mentality" in favor of a long-term resolution to embrace a "combination of healthy eating and exercise."
For example, Sandon said, "Reduce calories by cutting back on portion sizes or use pre-portioned foods, such as frozen meals, to cut back on total food intake.""
Pretty much the standard advice given here.
Different person quoted
""Severely restricting calories or food groups, along with rapid weight loss, are likely to backfire for many reasons, and the dieter will be left feeling frustrated," she added."
Again, this seems to be the tone of those promoting calorie counting.
I'm not confused at all. I was just told previously "Literally no one on earth tracks CICO and ignores nutrition" and that's not true. I'm totally on board with CICO being a surefire way to lose weight; no argument there.
I think there are more than few that track calories and ignore nutrition. Especially when just starting out. I think some add lower calorie nutrient dense foods as much for volume as they do for nutrients.
When I was first starting out ... a very long time ago ... to lose weight, I did it by just counting calories ... for a couple of reasons ....
1. I needed to know how many I was actually taking in. Yes, I read the labels and saw that a Snickers bar was 240 calories ... which didn't seem like so much, since a glass of whole milk was 150 calories ... and the snickers bar tasted much better than a glass of milk ...
2. My first line of focus after step 1 was to see how many calories I could knock off my daily intake and still enjoy eating ... and the only way I knew how to do that was to .... a) log everything I ate, b) compare what I took in over the course of time to what was happening with my weight ... and c) start to drop some stuff I normally ate in favor of others that filled me up better on less calories. ....
It was only 'along the way' that I also noticed that if I had a better nutritional profile from the food choices I made that I received other benefits besides weight loss ... like better hair, better nails, better skin, less bloat, better bowel habits, less swelling in my feet and legs .... So ... long way to it ... My current belief is that calories in - calories out IS the way to lose weight but that WHAT I eat is the way to good health.15 -
People cannot let go of their need to have a magic bullet / snake oil solution to weight gain. Here is an extract of a comment on an obesity article on social media:
All of the comments on his post just gushed over this. Some of what he is doing may have merit in terms of general health practices, but have nothing to do with losing weight, other than incidentally causing him to eat less calories in general by eating less processed food or intermittently fasting.2
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