Concerned advice I was given
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Low Carb = miserable me lol! I lost 45 lbs and ate carbs at every meal... and def ate lots of fruit.
You need to remember this is YOUR weight loss journey, you can lose weight on any diet or program, but its keeping it off that is the hard part. Find something that works for you and you feel like you can live with or else your journey will be a downer !
Some people on this site think that their way is the only way, and they even think that whether they have lost 5lbs or 50 lbs. So just be open to different opinions but do what you think is right for you!
Good luck!
Some of us are here because we gained weight back due to health issues. There are far more people that are overweight due to health issues than there are due to just over eating..............
I would still be maintaining my 100+ loss if I had not started having problems with Thyroid, Pituitary and Adrenal Gland Fatigue. I gained some of the weight back and will get it back off as my meds get regulated.
Completly agree with you.
And I don't critize anyone but we would not be here if we were nutrition experts would we?
HWG :happy:0 -
With high blood pressure you were told to add more fruit, which will in turn drive up your Triglycerides, which starts leading the way to get heart disease????
Why would fruits ( a carbohydrate) drive up triglycerides ? This would only be if you consume an extreme excess of fruit (much as an extreme excess of any food), where the excess calories are converted to triglycerides. It is misleading to say fruit turns into triglycerides, when in fact carbohydrates are the first calories to be used in your body.
And since I follow a very low carb eating plan, my body is burning fat first.
There is a book called Eat Fat to Lose Fat by Dr Mary Enig that explains the science behind in great detail.
Good Calories, Bad Calories by Dr Gary Taubes is another good book to read that explains how the research over the past 50 years is all wrong............
Fat always gets burned last. The order is alcohol-carbs-protein-fat
Please research ketogenic eating...............I am in fact burning fat first as in the absence of carbs, fat is burned in its place.
You don't have to believe me. The proof is in the pudding so to speak and in the books I have read.
I am quite confident I know more about ketogenic eating than yourself. Yes, you are burning far more fat with a ketogenic diet than you would with a normal diet, since your body has to convert fat into ketones to fuel your brain. However, you STILL burn alcohol first, carbs second (yes, you are intaking less, but they get used up first), protein third, and fat last.
I will say that I know more about ketogenic eating than you. I have more than 7 years of experience at this,
I have studied the science behind the ketogenic diet, I am living it and have had tremendous success with it in terms of health benefits and the bonus of weight loss.
Most days I do not eat any carbs at all, so there are no carbs to burn either. Some days I do allow myself up to 50 carbs per day.
By modifying the way you eat, you can trigger your body to burn fat.
Yes, well whichever carbs you eat are burned first That is how the body works. Yes, you can change what you eat so that your body has to use whatever you give it, but the order never changes. See, we are not in disagreement. 0 -
Most days I do not eat any carbs at all, so there are no carbs to burn either. Some days I do allow myself up to 50 carbs per day.
I'm not trying to start a debate or anything. I'm honestly just curious (I've never looked into a low-carb diet). How do you get by eating ZERO carbs? Unless you are only eating meat and oil. Even fibrous vegetables have small amounts of carbohydrates. And if you are eating only meat and oil, you're also getting practically no fiber.0 -
Most days I do not eat any carbs at all, so there are no carbs to burn either. Some days I do allow myself up to 50 carbs per day.
I'm not trying to start a debate or anything. I'm honestly just curious (I've never looked into a low-carb diet). How do you get by eating ZERO carbs? Unless you are only eating meat and oil. Even fibrous vegetables have small amounts of carbohydrates. And if you are eating only meat and oil, you're also getting practically no fiber.
Yeah- basically what it boils down to is that the only thing you can eat which is devoid of any carbohydrate is fat or oil. Everything else has carbs in it, even meat and fish 0 -
all this sounds so complicated!
for thousands of years, people have eaten grains. thousands. atkin's diet comes around, what, a decade ago? and decides that meat is the only thing a person can eat?
sick. especially with the quality of US meat. just sick.
why don't we all just try moving around once in a while. have a sandwich! but don't have five sandwiches.
have an apple! but don't eat a bag of apples. i mean, really, is it seriously that complicated?
pay closer attention to items without a barcode and a nutrition label. just eat wisely and until you're half full. then go for a walk.
(asians eat rice every day - they're pretty lean...)0 -
all this sounds so complicated!
for thousands of years, people have eaten grains. thousands. atkin's diet comes around, what, a decade ago? and decides that meat is the only thing a person can eat?
sick. especially with the quality of US meat. just sick.
why don't we all just try moving around once in a while. have a sandwich! but don't have five sandwiches.
have an apple! but don't eat a bag of apples. i mean, really, is it seriously that complicated?
pay closer attention to items without a barcode and a nutrition label. just eat wisely and until you're half full. then go for a walk.
(asians eat rice every day - they're pretty lean...)
precisely. carbs are not evil.0 -
all this sounds so complicated!
for thousands of years, people have eaten grains. thousands. atkin's diet comes around, what, a decade ago? and decides that meat is the only thing a person can eat?
sick. especially with the quality of US meat. just sick.
why don't we all just try moving around once in a while. have a sandwich! but don't have five sandwiches.
have an apple! but don't eat a bag of apples. i mean, really, is it seriously that complicated?
pay closer attention to items without a barcode and a nutrition label. just eat wisely and until you're half full. then go for a walk.
(asians eat rice every day - they're pretty lean...)
Just because humans have been eating grains, doesn't mean we are meant to eat them either. They can not be eaten without a lot of processing to make them digestible.
Atkins has been around since the 1970's, however low carbing has been around since the cave man, which is what I follow. A Paleo way of eating............
The first low carb book in print was in the 1800's, by the man who's quote is in my signature. William Banting.
Low carbing is not new. In the grand scheme of things, removing fat from everything is what is still relatively new and we see how health and well being has done nothing but go down hill over these past 50 years..............
I have a quite a few asian friends and none of them really eat rice or noodles...............Their diets consist mostly of protein, fats and Lots and lots of veggies...........I have Japanese, Vietnamese, Phillipino, and Chinese friends in particular.
I don't eat grocery store meats. All of my meats are from a local butcher shop who gets his beef, pork and chicken from local farmers from Illinois and Missouri - all within a 50 mile range. No hormones, no anti-biotics and grass fed, no grain at all.
That is some of the best meat you can ever have and I know it is clean.0 -
Most days I do not eat any carbs at all, so there are no carbs to burn either. Some days I do allow myself up to 50 carbs per day.
I'm not trying to start a debate or anything. I'm honestly just curious (I've never looked into a low-carb diet). How do you get by eating ZERO carbs? Unless you are only eating meat and oil. Even fibrous vegetables have small amounts of carbohydrates. And if you are eating only meat and oil, you're also getting practically no fiber.
We don't need fiber if we are getting adequate water and fats. Everything moves through the way it is supposed to. I have less problems with constipation eating this way then I do eating grains and no inflammation.
Check out this website............
http://zeroinginonhealth.com/0 -
Most days I do not eat any carbs at all, so there are no carbs to burn either. Some days I do allow myself up to 50 carbs per day.
I'm not trying to start a debate or anything. I'm honestly just curious (I've never looked into a low-carb diet). How do you get by eating ZERO carbs? Unless you are only eating meat and oil. Even fibrous vegetables have small amounts of carbohydrates. And if you are eating only meat and oil, you're also getting practically no fiber.
We don't need fiber if we are getting adequate water and fats. Everything moves through the way it is supposed to. I have less problems with constipation eating this way then I do eating grains and no inflammation.
Check out this website............
http://zeroinginonhealth.com/
Sorry, this post diminished your credibility completely. You need fibre. Fibre is not only to help prevent constipation, it also aids colonic health, which fats have no part in. Fibre helps lower your blood cholesterol (which fats certainly do not) as well as lower your blood sugar levels. Fibre is not absorbed by the body, and thus does not constitute a caloric value. Fibre also produces a sense of fullness, decreasing your appetite.0 -
Thank you, Shygal, for saying everything much more politely than I could. 0
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Most days I do not eat any carbs at all, so there are no carbs to burn either. Some days I do allow myself up to 50 carbs per day.
I'm not trying to start a debate or anything. I'm honestly just curious (I've never looked into a low-carb diet). How do you get by eating ZERO carbs? Unless you are only eating meat and oil. Even fibrous vegetables have small amounts of carbohydrates. And if you are eating only meat and oil, you're also getting practically no fiber.
We don't need fiber if we are getting adequate water and fats. Everything moves through the way it is supposed to. I have less problems with constipation eating this way then I do eating grains and no inflammation.
Check out this website............
http://zeroinginonhealth.com/
Sorry, this post diminished your credibility completely. You need fibre. Fibre is not only to help prevent constipation, it also aids colonic health, which fats have no part in. Fibre helps lower your blood cholesterol (which fats certainly do not) as well as lower your blood sugar levels. Fibre is not absorbed by the body, and thus does not constitute a caloric value. Fibre also produces a sense of fullness, decreasing your appetite.
Sorry, but that is conventional wisdom thinking that I know longer partake in.
My cholesterol is perfect, my triglycerides are perfect, I am no longer on Diabetes medications and I am not hungry in the least.
Just because you don't agree with my lifestyle, doesn't give you a right to say anything diminishes my credibility. I am having good results, my doctors are happy and I am happy.
It is amazing that you would say that fiber makes cholesterol go down, but the funny thing is, since I have ditched the grains and added back in fats my cholesterol has went way down..........And fats create and help with satiety.
My blood work is posted on this website also.
Research the Pemmicans, Intuits and Eskimos. All eat primarily a 0 carb lifestyle and are very healthy because of it.......0 -
Research the Pemmicans, Intuits and Eskimos. All eat primarily a 0 carb lifestyle and are very healthy because of it.......
They are healthy because when it comes down to it, it is important we get certain NUTRIENTS in our diet, not protein, fat, and carbohydrate. They ate organ meats, including liver, which is extremely high in vitamin A (normally obtained from fruit/veg) and vitamin D. THey also consumed primarily mono and poly unsaturated fats, as well as omega 3 fatty acids.
Do you eat liver and whale blubber? Somehow I doubt it. So you cannot compare your diet to that of the eskimos.0 -
Thank you, Shygal, for saying everything much more politely than I could. 0
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Research the Pemmicans, Intuits and Eskimos. All eat primarily a 0 carb lifestyle and are very healthy because of it.......
They are healthy because when it comes down to it, it is important we get certain NUTRIENTS in our diet, not protein, fat, and carbohydrate. They ate organ meats, including liver, which is extremely high in vitamin A (normally obtained from fruit/veg) and vitamin D. THey also consumed primarily mono and poly unsaturated fats, as well as omega 3 fatty acids.
Do you eat liver and whale blubber? Somehow I doubt it. So you cannot compare your diet to that of the eskimos.
I do eat organ meats to include liver (have always eaten liver as my mom cooked it on a regular basis), heart, kidney, beef tongue, brains, etc............
So, I can compare my diet to the Inuits, Pemmicans and / or Eskimos. I have never had whale blubber.
AS I have mentioned before go check out Marks Daily Apple in regards to the Primal Blue Print - it has opened my eyes to a whole new way of life.0 -
We don't need fiber if we are getting adequate water and fats. Everything moves through the way it is supposed to. I have less problems with constipation eating this way then I do eating grains and no inflammation.
who have you been talking to? do you really want to poop out water and oil? seriously?? no thanks.0 -
Research the Pemmicans, Intuits and Eskimos. All eat primarily a 0 carb lifestyle and are very healthy because of it.......
these tribes also live in very cold temperatures and are considered "husky" by many.
you're doing yourself no favors by trying to eat a 0 carb diet. fiber is good for your pooper!!!0 -
listen, if it's working for you and your doctor, then whatever. but this diet you're talking about is not healthy for the average person. maybe you have a superpooper? your pooper doesn't need fiber: okay. whatevs. most people need fiber to sustain proper colonic health.
i think it's a very dangerous thing to come into a public website like this and spout about how a person only needs fats and water to survive. that's plain nonsense.
in a world (that we may soon have, thanks, bp!) this may be our only choice - but for now we are lucky enough to have a variety of whole foods to choose from and we should balance it out kindly and effectively, consciously and graciously.
and then go for a walk.0 -
Sorry, but that is conventional wisdom thinking that I know longer partake in.
My cholesterol is perfect, my triglycerides are perfect, I am no longer on Diabetes medications and I am not hungry in the least.
Just because you don't agree with my lifestyle, doesn't give you a right to say anything diminishes my credibility. I am having good results, my doctors are happy and I am happy.
It is amazing that you would say that fiber makes cholesterol go down, but the funny thing is, since I have ditched the grains and added back in fats my cholesterol has went way down..........And fats create and help with satiety.
My blood work is posted on this website also.
Research the Pemmicans, Intuits and Eskimos. All eat primarily a 0 carb lifestyle and are very healthy because of it.......
Interestingly, Dr. McDougall has gotten the same results with basically the exact opposite diet (low fat, vegan). So, again it all seems to come down to what works for the individual and what that person can maintain. Personally, I couldn't handle so much meat. And I love the color and variety that vegetables bring to my plate. There's no way I could maintain a zero-carb diet, or even a low-carb diet for that matter. There may be more than one way to health.0 -
We don't need fiber if we are getting adequate water and fats. Everything moves through the way it is supposed to. I have less problems with constipation eating this way then I do eating grains and no inflammation.
who have you been talking to? do you really want to poop out water and oil? seriously?? no thanks.
For one, I speak very candidly and openly with my Endocrinologist who is one of the Nation's BEST Endo's at Washington University Hospital.
My naturopathic doctor is another one.
LOL, I don't poop out oil and water, my poop is no different than it ever has been, except since I have given up all grains I no longer have gas, stomach aches or other digestive issues.
If you eat a high carb eating plan, then from what I am researching is why you need fiber...............low carb eating plans don't need fiber.
http://paleohacks.com/questions/922/is-fiber-necessary-in-our-diet0 -
Sorry, but that is conventional wisdom thinking that I know longer partake in.
My cholesterol is perfect, my triglycerides are perfect, I am no longer on Diabetes medications and I am not hungry in the least.
Just because you don't agree with my lifestyle, doesn't give you a right to say anything diminishes my credibility. I am having good results, my doctors are happy and I am happy.
It is amazing that you would say that fiber makes cholesterol go down, but the funny thing is, since I have ditched the grains and added back in fats my cholesterol has went way down..........And fats create and help with satiety.
My blood work is posted on this website also.
Research the Pemmicans, Intuits and Eskimos. All eat primarily a 0 carb lifestyle and are very healthy because of it.......
Interestingly, Dr. McDougall has gotten the same results with basically the exact opposite diet (low fat, vegan). So, again it all seems to come down to what works for the individual and what that person can maintain. Personally, I couldn't handle so much meat. And I love the color and variety that vegetables bring to my plate. There's no way I could maintain a zero-carb diet, or even a low-carb diet for that matter. There may be more than one way to health.
I have my times where I eat lots and lots of veggies and bits of fruit, but I am enjoying the freedom of eating proteins and fats, keeping full and not having to eat multiple times per day.0 -
listen, if it's working for you and your doctor, then whatever. but this diet you're talking about is not healthy for the average person. maybe you have a superpooper? your pooper doesn't need fiber: okay. whatevs. most people need fiber to sustain proper colonic health.
i think it's a very dangerous thing to come into a public website like this and spout about how a person only needs fats and water to survive. that's plain nonsense.
in a world (that we may soon have, thanks, bp!) this may be our only choice - but for now we are lucky enough to have a variety of whole foods to choose from and we should balance it out kindly and effectively, consciously and graciously.
and then go for a walk.
It is no more dangerous for me to open people's eyes to other alternatives if they are open to other lifestyles. Don't say it is dangerous just because you don't understand the science behind it.
I have several friends that do completely ZERO carb, basically live off grass fed beef, water and coconut oil. They are the picture of health and one is a triathalon athlete.0 -
StudentRn, I love you.
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irregardless is not the word you were looking to use; the word you were searching for was simply "regardless"
adding the prefix "ir" simply negates the word regardless. people use wrong words all the time, for example:
loose = adjective: to loosen or something is not tight; to lose is a verb meaning (effectively) to lose.
one loses weight; one loosens a belt. a screw is loose; don't lose the screw.0 -
I have just as much right to come on and voice my views on this board as any one else does.
yes, you do. but you don't have a right to tell people that eating only fats and water is the path to successful weight loss. that is a lie, even if it works for you. it's a dangerous lie.Now that I am getting my thyroid, pituitary and adrenal issues addressed through natural means, I am losing at a rate of .6 pounds per day. Which is about 4 pounds per week.
this seems dangerously high to sustain. i can imagine this being okay for like a week or two, but i think a safe number should be around half that.Change in nutrition is coming, the doctors (authors of the books I have posted) are pushing for changes to be made as the way the food pyramid and such is now is detrimental to all of our health.
the only reason i can foresee the food guides needing to be changed is because our diet consists of garbage in the first place. people ate pretty much whole foods until the 1970s (coincidentally) around the same time food manufacturing came into play, which is also about the same time we started to see an obesity epidemic on the rise.
the rules are only changing because they have to counteract a defunct system.0 -
I have just as much right to come on and voice my views on this board as any one else does.
yes, you do. but you don't have a right to tell people that eating only fats and water is the path to successful weight loss. that is a lie, even if it works for you. it's a dangerous lie.Now that I am getting my thyroid, pituitary and adrenal issues addressed through natural means, I am losing at a rate of .6 pounds per day. Which is about 4 pounds per week.
this seems dangerously high to sustain. i can imagine this being okay for like a week or two, but i think a safe number should be around half that.Change in nutrition is coming, the doctors (authors of the books I have posted) are pushing for changes to be made as the way the food pyramid and such is now is detrimental to all of our health.
the only reason i can foresee the food guides needing to be changed is because our diet consists of garbage in the first place. people ate pretty much whole foods until the 1970s (coincidentally) around the same time food manufacturing came into play, which is also about the same time we started to see an obesity epidemic on the rise.
the rules are only changing because they have to counteract a defunct system.
Did you even research or read the Zeroing In On Health website? It is not unhealthy to have an eating plan that consists of protein, fats and water. That is a very purist eating plan...............Just because it is different doesn't make it dangerous.
It is no more dangerous than anyone speaking on the HCG diet or other crazy plans. At least Zero carb is a whole foods plan and no hormones involved..................
And my weight loss will slow down as my weight keeps coming down. I gained a lot of weight due to Adrenal Gland Fatigue and Thyroid issues due to the Pituitary tumor I was recently diagnosed with.
When I was originally diagnosed with Diabetes in 2003 and started Atkins, I had lost 100+ pounds and had maintained that loss for more than 4 years.............then the weight started coming back with no change in my diet due to the Endocrine problems I started having.
Now diagnosed with allergies to grains and cruciferous veggies such as brocolli, cabbage, etc (some of my most favorite veggies) I have switched to the Primal Blue Print which is a bit more strict than Atkins (Atkins allows grains, Primal does not) .0 -
I don't think many people here would say the HCG plan is safe.0
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Did you even research or read the Zeroing In On Health website? It is not unhealthy to have an eating plan that consists of protein, fats and water. That is a very purist eating plan...............Just because it is different doesn't make it dangerous.
no i did not; and yes it is (for most people). you have a magical pooper that doesn't need fiber. okay. your doctor says it's okay? okay. but it is not an advisory plan for most people. most people need fiber and fiber comes in many forms.
i've always said that as complex carbohydrates really are a brain food, the only way people would move to a fat & water (ie atkins) diet is by removing the brain food that stimulates reason.0 -
harrrrrrrrrrrrrgggg
Not going anywhere is it?
If tomorrow there is a new medical team saying that eating Mars Bars is the best diet in th world, I am sure that a few people will agree with that. I won't. Eating choices in very personal, but common sense should prevail (especially when it comes to trying to give lessons)
HWG :happy:0 -
I don't think many people here would say the HCG plan is safe.
To be fair about it, Many people say the Vegan and Vegetarian lifestyles are unhealthy also.0 -
Did you even research or read the Zeroing In On Health website? It is not unhealthy to have an eating plan that consists of protein, fats and water. That is a very purist eating plan...............Just because it is different doesn't make it dangerous.
no i did not; and yes it is (for most people). you have a magical pooper that doesn't need fiber. okay. your doctor says it's okay? okay. but it is not an advisory plan for most people. most people need fiber and fiber comes in many forms.
i've always said that as complex carbohydrates really are a brain food, the only way people would move to a fat & water (ie atkins) diet is by removing the brain food that stimulates reason.
To be fair, why do you keep saying fat and water? With Zero carb, there is way more to it than just fat and water. Like Protein.
And most days, I consume small bits of fruit and lots of veggies. I have some days though where my body does crave protein and I give my body what is says it needs, especially since I am upping my work outs tremendously.
Also, to be fair, you can not lump Atkins in with Zero Carb. Atkins involves all the complex carbs all the way up and including beans, grains and starchy veggies like potatos.
And how can someone comment on a topic they don't understand or know nothing about? Personally, I have done the whole low fat, low calorie, weight watchers, Vegetarian, raw diet, etc.................the only thing that works for me (and believe me I am not the only one on this site like this) is to restrict carbs.
I have books on Veganism and raw foodists, weight watchers, low carb, etc..............I have a plethora of a library of books on different subjects on weight loss. I continually research and read and have applied to go back to school to become a Naturopathic Doctor or at least a Nurse Practicioner.
I have to laugh at your last comment, as the lower my carbs are, the clearer my thinking is. There is absolutely NO brain fog that carbs cause.0
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