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Commentary: What Thin People Don't Get About Dieting
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GaleHawkins wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-thin-people-dieting-weight-food-resolutions-0101-20171227-story.html
I am not sure what made me more mad when I saw this commentary piece in the Chicago Tribune this morning....
The statement that "cutting calories alone doesn't lead to long-term weight loss".
The myth that there are "naturally thin" people who just have good genetics and high metabolism.
Or, the conclusion that if you are overweight, you do not have any chance of losing weight long term so you shouldn't even try.
So angry right now....
I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this dreary op-ed article.
Not sure there are 'skinny' genes but it is true in a functional sense that cutting calories does not lead to long term weight loss for most people that I have ever known including myself.
Finally at the age of 63 I decided to NEVER go on another diet to lose weight just to have another 100%+ regain. Now turning 67 I have lost 50 pounds and maintained that loss for over two and half years by changing the kind of calories that I eat.
Cutting calories can be a short term fix in an emergency but it is not likely to fix the cause of the wrong way of thinking, eating and moving that lead to the need to go on a "diet" in the first place.
For over three years now I have eaten only to improve my health and health markers. When I did that the weight started to normalize (decrease) after the first 45 days without any dieting effort yet staying stuffed most of the time.
Thinking about losing weight seems to be a good way to gain weight for many people it seems perhaps.
And do you know why your weight decreased? Because you were taking in less calories than you were burning. Whether you viewed what you were doing as cutting calories or not, that is exactly what you were doing if you lost weight. I'm sure you will spout all sorts of nonsense to try to explain otherwise, because that is what you do best around here, but the simple fact is your weight is directly affected by CICO.
Do you know why I was taking in less calories when starting Oct 2014 (and still continue to eat that way today) cold turkey I cut add sugars and all forms of all grains that over time has resolved my binging, pain, IBS, limited health in general, etc?
Did I know going LCHF Oct 2014 would functionally give me hope for a future? NO I did not but I was willing to try anything to avoid the medical side effects of starting on Enbrel injections Nov 2014. I did not even know what I was doing but just acting to a hunch that cutting out the sugar and grain that I might be able to dodge the Enbrel bullet coming my way. I added about a 1000 calories daily at the same time from coconut products trying to prevent Alzheimer's.
That is how out of ignorance I accidently started the LCHF WOE. As noted before I had to leave sugar and grains cold turkey after trying to taper off of them for 60 days and failing. I learned I was a carb addict then I realized I was going to have to stop eat food containing added sugar and any form of any grain instead of just reducing these highly processed carb food sources.
As I have stated for years how one eats is their own business and how I eat is my business. At the age of 63 I willfully decided to eat for longer life instead of eating for a premature death.
Yep, there's the long, drawn out, nonsense explanation I was expecting and forgive me, but I am having trouble following. You say you were taking in less calories, but then say you added about 1000 calories a day at the same time. So which is it? Were you taking in less calories or more? Were the 1000 calories of coconut products included in your daily total which was less than before? If so, then it I have some news for you: it wasn't the fact that you were taking coconut products that helped you lose weight, it is the fact that you were taking in less calories overall. You could have been ingesting 1000 calories of pure sugar instead of coconut, and as long as your CI were less than your CO you would lose weight. You found something that worked for you which is great, but it blows my mind how you still try to argue that your weight loss was somehow not attributed to a caloric deficit. The fact of the matter is, what worked for you was eating at a deficit, and just because you don't view it that way, it doesn't make it any less true.
CICO will never medically explain why some people overeat.
No, but it will explain why they gain/lose weight. Lack of willpower and CICO are 2 completely different things.
Would you agree 100% of people who legally log into these MFP forums already know it is calories or lack of calories from the food they eat that causes them to gain/lose weight?
People need to know WHY they under/over eat and it has nothing to do with willpower long term. People that use willpower to lose weight are called yo-yo dieters.
I don't agree at all since we actually see people post time and again "I didn't know about calories...". They might have a rough idea but ask most people on the street what a calorie is and how it affects weight loss/gain and you'll get some amusing answers.
I agree with the last part, why it is important and that's what the psychologists are really trying to address I would imagine. Part of the problem is emotional for many, the availability of so much food, and even ignorance of how much calories a meal contains. Most people greatly underestimate the calories they consume and greatly overestimate the calories they burn. So going back to the first part, no people really don't know about calories.5 -
Miasavannah wrote: »I am married to a man who can eat ANYTHING, he isn’t particularly active or muscular and he NEVER gains weight. I on the otherhand...well I wouldn’t be on this site if maintaining a healthy weight was easy for me. ANYHOW, several years ago, I worked for a large pharmaceutical company that was attempting to develop a drug for weight loss. (Alas, it didn’t make it past Phase I studies.) When I shared my woeful story about being married to a man who was chronically underweight, they told me that my husband actually had a genetic defect, that healthy, normal bodies are designed to store and hang on to calories. That helps us survive should there be a famine or in instances of illness. Imagine my joy when I got to run home and tell my hubby that he is a FREAK!
I think I know why the drug never made it past phase 1...7 -
Miasavannah wrote: »I am married to a man who can eat ANYTHING, he isn’t particularly active or muscular and he NEVER gains weight. I on the otherhand...well I wouldn’t be on this site if maintaining a healthy weight was easy for me. ANYHOW, several years ago, I worked for a large pharmaceutical company that was attempting to develop a drug for weight loss. (Alas, it didn’t make it past Phase I studies.) When I shared my woeful story about being married to a man who was chronically underweight, they told me that my husband actually had a genetic defect, that healthy, normal bodies are designed to store and hang on to calories. That helps us survive should there be a famine or in instances of illness. Imagine my joy when I got to run home and tell my hubby that he is a FREAK!
This is often a matter of perception. It is not unusual for an adult male to maintain weight on upwards of 2,500 - 3,000 calories, even if they aren't super active...most women I know think that's a ton of food...but it's pretty normal for an adult male.14 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Miasavannah wrote: »I am married to a man who can eat ANYTHING, he isn’t particularly active or muscular and he NEVER gains weight. I on the otherhand...well I wouldn’t be on this site if maintaining a healthy weight was easy for me. ANYHOW, several years ago, I worked for a large pharmaceutical company that was attempting to develop a drug for weight loss. (Alas, it didn’t make it past Phase I studies.) When I shared my woeful story about being married to a man who was chronically underweight, they told me that my husband actually had a genetic defect, that healthy, normal bodies are designed to store and hang on to calories. That helps us survive should there be a famine or in instances of illness. Imagine my joy when I got to run home and tell my hubby that he is a FREAK!
This is often a matter of perception. It is not unusual for an adult male to maintain weight on upwards of 2,500 - 3,000 calories, even if they aren't super active...most women I know think that's a ton of food...but it's pretty normal for an adult male.
Sigh, if only. Chipotle burritos and gelato erryday.2 -
Miasavannah wrote: »I am married to a man who can eat ANYTHING, he isn’t particularly active or muscular and he NEVER gains weight. I on the otherhand...well I wouldn’t be on this site if maintaining a healthy weight was easy for me. ANYHOW, several years ago, I worked for a large pharmaceutical company that was attempting to develop a drug for weight loss. (Alas, it didn’t make it past Phase I studies.) When I shared my woeful story about being married to a man who was chronically underweight, they told me that my husband actually had a genetic defect, that healthy, normal bodies are designed to store and hang on to calories. That helps us survive should there be a famine or in instances of illness. Imagine my joy when I got to run home and tell my hubby that he is a FREAK!
Who diagnosed your husband with a genetic defect and what was the name? I'm curious what he has or are they just speculating? I would imagine that this is a recently occurring abnormality if true since his ancestors likely wouldn't have survived with it due to the amount of famines that we have had as a species.8 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Miasavannah wrote: »I am married to a man who can eat ANYTHING, he isn’t particularly active or muscular and he NEVER gains weight. I on the otherhand...well I wouldn’t be on this site if maintaining a healthy weight was easy for me. ANYHOW, several years ago, I worked for a large pharmaceutical company that was attempting to develop a drug for weight loss. (Alas, it didn’t make it past Phase I studies.) When I shared my woeful story about being married to a man who was chronically underweight, they told me that my husband actually had a genetic defect, that healthy, normal bodies are designed to store and hang on to calories. That helps us survive should there be a famine or in instances of illness. Imagine my joy when I got to run home and tell my hubby that he is a FREAK!
This is often a matter of perception. It is not unusual for an adult male to maintain weight on upwards of 2,500 - 3,000 calories, even if they aren't super active...most women I know think that's a ton of food...but it's pretty normal for an adult male.
Sigh, if only. Chipotle burritos and gelato erryday.
Don't worry, men aren't any better than women at weight control lol.3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-thin-people-dieting-weight-food-resolutions-0101-20171227-story.html
I am not sure what made me more mad when I saw this commentary piece in the Chicago Tribune this morning....
The statement that "cutting calories alone doesn't lead to long-term weight loss".
The myth that there are "naturally thin" people who just have good genetics and high metabolism.
Or, the conclusion that if you are overweight, you do not have any chance of losing weight long term so you shouldn't even try.
So angry right now....
I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this dreary op-ed article.
Not sure there are 'skinny' genes but it is true in a functional sense that cutting calories does not lead to long term weight loss for most people that I have ever known including myself.
Finally at the age of 63 I decided to NEVER go on another diet to lose weight just to have another 100%+ regain. Now turning 67 I have lost 50 pounds and maintained that loss for over two and half years by changing the kind of calories that I eat.
Cutting calories can be a short term fix in an emergency but it is not likely to fix the cause of the wrong way of thinking, eating and moving that lead to the need to go on a "diet" in the first place.
For over three years now I have eaten only to improve my health and health markers. When I did that the weight started to normalize (decrease) after the first 45 days without any dieting effort yet staying stuffed most of the time.
Thinking about losing weight seems to be a good way to gain weight for many people it seems perhaps.
And do you know why your weight decreased? Because you were taking in less calories than you were burning. Whether you viewed what you were doing as cutting calories or not, that is exactly what you were doing if you lost weight. I'm sure you will spout all sorts of nonsense to try to explain otherwise, because that is what you do best around here, but the simple fact is your weight is directly affected by CICO.
Do you know why I was taking in less calories when starting Oct 2014 (and still continue to eat that way today) cold turkey I cut add sugars and all forms of all grains that over time has resolved my binging, pain, IBS, limited health in general, etc?
Did I know going LCHF Oct 2014 would functionally give me hope for a future? NO I did not but I was willing to try anything to avoid the medical side effects of starting on Enbrel injections Nov 2014. I did not even know what I was doing but just acting to a hunch that cutting out the sugar and grain that I might be able to dodge the Enbrel bullet coming my way. I added about a 1000 calories daily at the same time from coconut products trying to prevent Alzheimer's.
That is how out of ignorance I accidently started the LCHF WOE. As noted before I had to leave sugar and grains cold turkey after trying to taper off of them for 60 days and failing. I learned I was a carb addict then I realized I was going to have to stop eat food containing added sugar and any form of any grain instead of just reducing these highly processed carb food sources.
As I have stated for years how one eats is their own business and how I eat is my business. At the age of 63 I willfully decided to eat for longer life instead of eating for a premature death.
Yep, there's the long, drawn out, nonsense explanation I was expecting and forgive me, but I am having trouble following. You say you were taking in less calories, but then say you added about 1000 calories a day at the same time. So which is it? Were you taking in less calories or more? Were the 1000 calories of coconut products included in your daily total which was less than before? If so, then it I have some news for you: it wasn't the fact that you were taking coconut products that helped you lose weight, it is the fact that you were taking in less calories overall. You could have been ingesting 1000 calories of pure sugar instead of coconut, and as long as your CI were less than your CO you would lose weight. You found something that worked for you which is great, but it blows my mind how you still try to argue that your weight loss was somehow not attributed to a caloric deficit. The fact of the matter is, what worked for you was eating at a deficit, and just because you don't view it that way, it doesn't make it any less true.
CICO will never medically explain why some people overeat.
No, but it will explain why they gain/lose weight. Lack of willpower and CICO are 2 completely different things.
Would you agree 100% of people who legally log into these MFP forums already know it is calories or lack of calories from the food they eat that causes them to gain/lose weight?
People need to know WHY they under/over eat and it has nothing to do with willpower long term. People that use willpower to lose weight are called yo-yo dieters.
Are we really back to the 'everyone who is overweight has a physical or mental disorder' argument?
No. It is a metabolic disorder medically speaking.25 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-thin-people-dieting-weight-food-resolutions-0101-20171227-story.html
I am not sure what made me more mad when I saw this commentary piece in the Chicago Tribune this morning....
The statement that "cutting calories alone doesn't lead to long-term weight loss".
The myth that there are "naturally thin" people who just have good genetics and high metabolism.
Or, the conclusion that if you are overweight, you do not have any chance of losing weight long term so you shouldn't even try.
So angry right now....
I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this dreary op-ed article.
Not sure there are 'skinny' genes but it is true in a functional sense that cutting calories does not lead to long term weight loss for most people that I have ever known including myself.
Finally at the age of 63 I decided to NEVER go on another diet to lose weight just to have another 100%+ regain. Now turning 67 I have lost 50 pounds and maintained that loss for over two and half years by changing the kind of calories that I eat.
Cutting calories can be a short term fix in an emergency but it is not likely to fix the cause of the wrong way of thinking, eating and moving that lead to the need to go on a "diet" in the first place.
For over three years now I have eaten only to improve my health and health markers. When I did that the weight started to normalize (decrease) after the first 45 days without any dieting effort yet staying stuffed most of the time.
Thinking about losing weight seems to be a good way to gain weight for many people it seems perhaps.
And do you know why your weight decreased? Because you were taking in less calories than you were burning. Whether you viewed what you were doing as cutting calories or not, that is exactly what you were doing if you lost weight. I'm sure you will spout all sorts of nonsense to try to explain otherwise, because that is what you do best around here, but the simple fact is your weight is directly affected by CICO.
Do you know why I was taking in less calories when starting Oct 2014 (and still continue to eat that way today) cold turkey I cut add sugars and all forms of all grains that over time has resolved my binging, pain, IBS, limited health in general, etc?
Did I know going LCHF Oct 2014 would functionally give me hope for a future? NO I did not but I was willing to try anything to avoid the medical side effects of starting on Enbrel injections Nov 2014. I did not even know what I was doing but just acting to a hunch that cutting out the sugar and grain that I might be able to dodge the Enbrel bullet coming my way. I added about a 1000 calories daily at the same time from coconut products trying to prevent Alzheimer's.
That is how out of ignorance I accidently started the LCHF WOE. As noted before I had to leave sugar and grains cold turkey after trying to taper off of them for 60 days and failing. I learned I was a carb addict then I realized I was going to have to stop eat food containing added sugar and any form of any grain instead of just reducing these highly processed carb food sources.
As I have stated for years how one eats is their own business and how I eat is my business. At the age of 63 I willfully decided to eat for longer life instead of eating for a premature death.
Yep, there's the long, drawn out, nonsense explanation I was expecting and forgive me, but I am having trouble following. You say you were taking in less calories, but then say you added about 1000 calories a day at the same time. So which is it? Were you taking in less calories or more? Were the 1000 calories of coconut products included in your daily total which was less than before? If so, then it I have some news for you: it wasn't the fact that you were taking coconut products that helped you lose weight, it is the fact that you were taking in less calories overall. You could have been ingesting 1000 calories of pure sugar instead of coconut, and as long as your CI were less than your CO you would lose weight. You found something that worked for you which is great, but it blows my mind how you still try to argue that your weight loss was somehow not attributed to a caloric deficit. The fact of the matter is, what worked for you was eating at a deficit, and just because you don't view it that way, it doesn't make it any less true.
CICO will never medically explain why some people overeat.
No, but it will explain why they gain/lose weight. Lack of willpower and CICO are 2 completely different things.
Would you agree 100% of people who legally log into these MFP forums already know it is calories or lack of calories from the food they eat that causes them to gain/lose weight?
People need to know WHY they under/over eat and it has nothing to do with willpower long term. People that use willpower to lose weight are called yo-yo dieters.
Are we really back to the 'everyone who is overweight has a physical or mental disorder' argument?
No. It is a metabolic disorder medically speaking.
Being overweight is not a metabolic disorder for the vast majority as their bodies are reacting exactly as designed i.e. seek food, and gain weight for the famine or illness that will come. We have only been in a food rich society for a blink of an eye.14 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Miasavannah wrote: »I am married to a man who can eat ANYTHING, he isn’t particularly active or muscular and he NEVER gains weight. I on the otherhand...well I wouldn’t be on this site if maintaining a healthy weight was easy for me. ANYHOW, several years ago, I worked for a large pharmaceutical company that was attempting to develop a drug for weight loss. (Alas, it didn’t make it past Phase I studies.) When I shared my woeful story about being married to a man who was chronically underweight, they told me that my husband actually had a genetic defect, that healthy, normal bodies are designed to store and hang on to calories. That helps us survive should there be a famine or in instances of illness. Imagine my joy when I got to run home and tell my hubby that he is a FREAK!
This is often a matter of perception. It is not unusual for an adult male to maintain weight on upwards of 2,500 - 3,000 calories, even if they aren't super active...most women I know think that's a ton of food...but it's pretty normal for an adult male.
I was thinking the same thing; my long, lanky husband can eat all the foods he wants, but he is a lot taller than me, is on his feet in a lab all day, and has a lot more energy-consuming muscle even though he is very thin, just by virtue of being male. If you take a careful look at his diet, however, overall he eats very moderately and doesn't have a big appetite.
I can't imagine why this drug didn't make it very far in the testing process, considering it was backed by a team able to remotely assess genetic abnormalities based on hearsay. They could probably make up the money by setting up a Psychic Genetic Hotline.16 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-thin-people-dieting-weight-food-resolutions-0101-20171227-story.html
I am not sure what made me more mad when I saw this commentary piece in the Chicago Tribune this morning....
The statement that "cutting calories alone doesn't lead to long-term weight loss".
The myth that there are "naturally thin" people who just have good genetics and high metabolism.
Or, the conclusion that if you are overweight, you do not have any chance of losing weight long term so you shouldn't even try.
So angry right now....
I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this dreary op-ed article.
Not sure there are 'skinny' genes but it is true in a functional sense that cutting calories does not lead to long term weight loss for most people that I have ever known including myself.
Finally at the age of 63 I decided to NEVER go on another diet to lose weight just to have another 100%+ regain. Now turning 67 I have lost 50 pounds and maintained that loss for over two and half years by changing the kind of calories that I eat.
Cutting calories can be a short term fix in an emergency but it is not likely to fix the cause of the wrong way of thinking, eating and moving that lead to the need to go on a "diet" in the first place.
For over three years now I have eaten only to improve my health and health markers. When I did that the weight started to normalize (decrease) after the first 45 days without any dieting effort yet staying stuffed most of the time.
Thinking about losing weight seems to be a good way to gain weight for many people it seems perhaps.
And do you know why your weight decreased? Because you were taking in less calories than you were burning. Whether you viewed what you were doing as cutting calories or not, that is exactly what you were doing if you lost weight. I'm sure you will spout all sorts of nonsense to try to explain otherwise, because that is what you do best around here, but the simple fact is your weight is directly affected by CICO.
Do you know why I was taking in less calories when starting Oct 2014 (and still continue to eat that way today) cold turkey I cut add sugars and all forms of all grains that over time has resolved my binging, pain, IBS, limited health in general, etc?
Did I know going LCHF Oct 2014 would functionally give me hope for a future? NO I did not but I was willing to try anything to avoid the medical side effects of starting on Enbrel injections Nov 2014. I did not even know what I was doing but just acting to a hunch that cutting out the sugar and grain that I might be able to dodge the Enbrel bullet coming my way. I added about a 1000 calories daily at the same time from coconut products trying to prevent Alzheimer's.
That is how out of ignorance I accidently started the LCHF WOE. As noted before I had to leave sugar and grains cold turkey after trying to taper off of them for 60 days and failing. I learned I was a carb addict then I realized I was going to have to stop eat food containing added sugar and any form of any grain instead of just reducing these highly processed carb food sources.
As I have stated for years how one eats is their own business and how I eat is my business. At the age of 63 I willfully decided to eat for longer life instead of eating for a premature death.
Yep, there's the long, drawn out, nonsense explanation I was expecting and forgive me, but I am having trouble following. You say you were taking in less calories, but then say you added about 1000 calories a day at the same time. So which is it? Were you taking in less calories or more? Were the 1000 calories of coconut products included in your daily total which was less than before? If so, then it I have some news for you: it wasn't the fact that you were taking coconut products that helped you lose weight, it is the fact that you were taking in less calories overall. You could have been ingesting 1000 calories of pure sugar instead of coconut, and as long as your CI were less than your CO you would lose weight. You found something that worked for you which is great, but it blows my mind how you still try to argue that your weight loss was somehow not attributed to a caloric deficit. The fact of the matter is, what worked for you was eating at a deficit, and just because you don't view it that way, it doesn't make it any less true.
CICO will never medically explain why some people overeat.
No, but it will explain why they gain/lose weight. Lack of willpower and CICO are 2 completely different things.
Would you agree 100% of people who legally log into these MFP forums already know it is calories or lack of calories from the food they eat that causes them to gain/lose weight?
People need to know WHY they under/over eat and it has nothing to do with willpower long term. People that use willpower to lose weight are called yo-yo dieters.
Are we really back to the 'everyone who is overweight has a physical or mental disorder' argument?
No. It is a metabolic disorder medically speaking.
Being overweight is not a metabolic disorder for the vast majority as their bodies are reacting exactly as designed i.e. seek food, and gain weight for the famine or illness that will come. We have only been in a food rich society for a blink of an eye.
Then what kind of disorder is being overweight?12 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-thin-people-dieting-weight-food-resolutions-0101-20171227-story.html
I am not sure what made me more mad when I saw this commentary piece in the Chicago Tribune this morning....
The statement that "cutting calories alone doesn't lead to long-term weight loss".
The myth that there are "naturally thin" people who just have good genetics and high metabolism.
Or, the conclusion that if you are overweight, you do not have any chance of losing weight long term so you shouldn't even try.
So angry right now....
I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this dreary op-ed article.
Not sure there are 'skinny' genes but it is true in a functional sense that cutting calories does not lead to long term weight loss for most people that I have ever known including myself.
Finally at the age of 63 I decided to NEVER go on another diet to lose weight just to have another 100%+ regain. Now turning 67 I have lost 50 pounds and maintained that loss for over two and half years by changing the kind of calories that I eat.
Cutting calories can be a short term fix in an emergency but it is not likely to fix the cause of the wrong way of thinking, eating and moving that lead to the need to go on a "diet" in the first place.
For over three years now I have eaten only to improve my health and health markers. When I did that the weight started to normalize (decrease) after the first 45 days without any dieting effort yet staying stuffed most of the time.
Thinking about losing weight seems to be a good way to gain weight for many people it seems perhaps.
And do you know why your weight decreased? Because you were taking in less calories than you were burning. Whether you viewed what you were doing as cutting calories or not, that is exactly what you were doing if you lost weight. I'm sure you will spout all sorts of nonsense to try to explain otherwise, because that is what you do best around here, but the simple fact is your weight is directly affected by CICO.
Do you know why I was taking in less calories when starting Oct 2014 (and still continue to eat that way today) cold turkey I cut add sugars and all forms of all grains that over time has resolved my binging, pain, IBS, limited health in general, etc?
Did I know going LCHF Oct 2014 would functionally give me hope for a future? NO I did not but I was willing to try anything to avoid the medical side effects of starting on Enbrel injections Nov 2014. I did not even know what I was doing but just acting to a hunch that cutting out the sugar and grain that I might be able to dodge the Enbrel bullet coming my way. I added about a 1000 calories daily at the same time from coconut products trying to prevent Alzheimer's.
That is how out of ignorance I accidently started the LCHF WOE. As noted before I had to leave sugar and grains cold turkey after trying to taper off of them for 60 days and failing. I learned I was a carb addict then I realized I was going to have to stop eat food containing added sugar and any form of any grain instead of just reducing these highly processed carb food sources.
As I have stated for years how one eats is their own business and how I eat is my business. At the age of 63 I willfully decided to eat for longer life instead of eating for a premature death.
Yep, there's the long, drawn out, nonsense explanation I was expecting and forgive me, but I am having trouble following. You say you were taking in less calories, but then say you added about 1000 calories a day at the same time. So which is it? Were you taking in less calories or more? Were the 1000 calories of coconut products included in your daily total which was less than before? If so, then it I have some news for you: it wasn't the fact that you were taking coconut products that helped you lose weight, it is the fact that you were taking in less calories overall. You could have been ingesting 1000 calories of pure sugar instead of coconut, and as long as your CI were less than your CO you would lose weight. You found something that worked for you which is great, but it blows my mind how you still try to argue that your weight loss was somehow not attributed to a caloric deficit. The fact of the matter is, what worked for you was eating at a deficit, and just because you don't view it that way, it doesn't make it any less true.
CICO will never medically explain why some people overeat.
No, but it will explain why they gain/lose weight. Lack of willpower and CICO are 2 completely different things.
Would you agree 100% of people who legally log into these MFP forums already know it is calories or lack of calories from the food they eat that causes them to gain/lose weight?
People need to know WHY they under/over eat and it has nothing to do with willpower long term. People that use willpower to lose weight are called yo-yo dieters.
Are we really back to the 'everyone who is overweight has a physical or mental disorder' argument?
No. It is a metabolic disorder medically speaking.
How is it a metabolic disorder for your body to store energy when food is abundant in the exact same matter that allowed our ancestors to survive and thrive for thousands upon thousands of years?13 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-thin-people-dieting-weight-food-resolutions-0101-20171227-story.html
I am not sure what made me more mad when I saw this commentary piece in the Chicago Tribune this morning....
The statement that "cutting calories alone doesn't lead to long-term weight loss".
The myth that there are "naturally thin" people who just have good genetics and high metabolism.
Or, the conclusion that if you are overweight, you do not have any chance of losing weight long term so you shouldn't even try.
So angry right now....
I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this dreary op-ed article.
Not sure there are 'skinny' genes but it is true in a functional sense that cutting calories does not lead to long term weight loss for most people that I have ever known including myself.
Finally at the age of 63 I decided to NEVER go on another diet to lose weight just to have another 100%+ regain. Now turning 67 I have lost 50 pounds and maintained that loss for over two and half years by changing the kind of calories that I eat.
Cutting calories can be a short term fix in an emergency but it is not likely to fix the cause of the wrong way of thinking, eating and moving that lead to the need to go on a "diet" in the first place.
For over three years now I have eaten only to improve my health and health markers. When I did that the weight started to normalize (decrease) after the first 45 days without any dieting effort yet staying stuffed most of the time.
Thinking about losing weight seems to be a good way to gain weight for many people it seems perhaps.
And do you know why your weight decreased? Because you were taking in less calories than you were burning. Whether you viewed what you were doing as cutting calories or not, that is exactly what you were doing if you lost weight. I'm sure you will spout all sorts of nonsense to try to explain otherwise, because that is what you do best around here, but the simple fact is your weight is directly affected by CICO.
Do you know why I was taking in less calories when starting Oct 2014 (and still continue to eat that way today) cold turkey I cut add sugars and all forms of all grains that over time has resolved my binging, pain, IBS, limited health in general, etc?
Did I know going LCHF Oct 2014 would functionally give me hope for a future? NO I did not but I was willing to try anything to avoid the medical side effects of starting on Enbrel injections Nov 2014. I did not even know what I was doing but just acting to a hunch that cutting out the sugar and grain that I might be able to dodge the Enbrel bullet coming my way. I added about a 1000 calories daily at the same time from coconut products trying to prevent Alzheimer's.
That is how out of ignorance I accidently started the LCHF WOE. As noted before I had to leave sugar and grains cold turkey after trying to taper off of them for 60 days and failing. I learned I was a carb addict then I realized I was going to have to stop eat food containing added sugar and any form of any grain instead of just reducing these highly processed carb food sources.
As I have stated for years how one eats is their own business and how I eat is my business. At the age of 63 I willfully decided to eat for longer life instead of eating for a premature death.
Yep, there's the long, drawn out, nonsense explanation I was expecting and forgive me, but I am having trouble following. You say you were taking in less calories, but then say you added about 1000 calories a day at the same time. So which is it? Were you taking in less calories or more? Were the 1000 calories of coconut products included in your daily total which was less than before? If so, then it I have some news for you: it wasn't the fact that you were taking coconut products that helped you lose weight, it is the fact that you were taking in less calories overall. You could have been ingesting 1000 calories of pure sugar instead of coconut, and as long as your CI were less than your CO you would lose weight. You found something that worked for you which is great, but it blows my mind how you still try to argue that your weight loss was somehow not attributed to a caloric deficit. The fact of the matter is, what worked for you was eating at a deficit, and just because you don't view it that way, it doesn't make it any less true.
CICO will never medically explain why some people overeat.
No, but it will explain why they gain/lose weight. Lack of willpower and CICO are 2 completely different things.
Would you agree 100% of people who legally log into these MFP forums already know it is calories or lack of calories from the food they eat that causes them to gain/lose weight?
People need to know WHY they under/over eat and it has nothing to do with willpower long term. People that use willpower to lose weight are called yo-yo dieters.
Are we really back to the 'everyone who is overweight has a physical or mental disorder' argument?
No. It is a metabolic disorder medically speaking.
Being overweight is not a metabolic disorder for the vast majority as their bodies are reacting exactly as designed i.e. seek food, and gain weight for the famine or illness that will come. We have only been in a food rich society for a blink of an eye.
Then what kind of disorder is being overweight?
It. Isn't. A. Disorder.
What is more probable: that most of the world has a metabolic disorder that causes them to be overweight that has somehow just sprung up in the last few decades; or that people in have better access to food that is more calorie dense and cheaper, and that technology has lessened the requirement that we move so much?19 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-thin-people-dieting-weight-food-resolutions-0101-20171227-story.html
I am not sure what made me more mad when I saw this commentary piece in the Chicago Tribune this morning....
The statement that "cutting calories alone doesn't lead to long-term weight loss".
The myth that there are "naturally thin" people who just have good genetics and high metabolism.
Or, the conclusion that if you are overweight, you do not have any chance of losing weight long term so you shouldn't even try.
So angry right now....
I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this dreary op-ed article.
Not sure there are 'skinny' genes but it is true in a functional sense that cutting calories does not lead to long term weight loss for most people that I have ever known including myself.
Finally at the age of 63 I decided to NEVER go on another diet to lose weight just to have another 100%+ regain. Now turning 67 I have lost 50 pounds and maintained that loss for over two and half years by changing the kind of calories that I eat.
Cutting calories can be a short term fix in an emergency but it is not likely to fix the cause of the wrong way of thinking, eating and moving that lead to the need to go on a "diet" in the first place.
For over three years now I have eaten only to improve my health and health markers. When I did that the weight started to normalize (decrease) after the first 45 days without any dieting effort yet staying stuffed most of the time.
Thinking about losing weight seems to be a good way to gain weight for many people it seems perhaps.
And do you know why your weight decreased? Because you were taking in less calories than you were burning. Whether you viewed what you were doing as cutting calories or not, that is exactly what you were doing if you lost weight. I'm sure you will spout all sorts of nonsense to try to explain otherwise, because that is what you do best around here, but the simple fact is your weight is directly affected by CICO.
Do you know why I was taking in less calories when starting Oct 2014 (and still continue to eat that way today) cold turkey I cut add sugars and all forms of all grains that over time has resolved my binging, pain, IBS, limited health in general, etc?
Did I know going LCHF Oct 2014 would functionally give me hope for a future? NO I did not but I was willing to try anything to avoid the medical side effects of starting on Enbrel injections Nov 2014. I did not even know what I was doing but just acting to a hunch that cutting out the sugar and grain that I might be able to dodge the Enbrel bullet coming my way. I added about a 1000 calories daily at the same time from coconut products trying to prevent Alzheimer's.
That is how out of ignorance I accidently started the LCHF WOE. As noted before I had to leave sugar and grains cold turkey after trying to taper off of them for 60 days and failing. I learned I was a carb addict then I realized I was going to have to stop eat food containing added sugar and any form of any grain instead of just reducing these highly processed carb food sources.
As I have stated for years how one eats is their own business and how I eat is my business. At the age of 63 I willfully decided to eat for longer life instead of eating for a premature death.
Yep, there's the long, drawn out, nonsense explanation I was expecting and forgive me, but I am having trouble following. You say you were taking in less calories, but then say you added about 1000 calories a day at the same time. So which is it? Were you taking in less calories or more? Were the 1000 calories of coconut products included in your daily total which was less than before? If so, then it I have some news for you: it wasn't the fact that you were taking coconut products that helped you lose weight, it is the fact that you were taking in less calories overall. You could have been ingesting 1000 calories of pure sugar instead of coconut, and as long as your CI were less than your CO you would lose weight. You found something that worked for you which is great, but it blows my mind how you still try to argue that your weight loss was somehow not attributed to a caloric deficit. The fact of the matter is, what worked for you was eating at a deficit, and just because you don't view it that way, it doesn't make it any less true.
CICO will never medically explain why some people overeat.
No, but it will explain why they gain/lose weight. Lack of willpower and CICO are 2 completely different things.
Would you agree 100% of people who legally log into these MFP forums already know it is calories or lack of calories from the food they eat that causes them to gain/lose weight?
People need to know WHY they under/over eat and it has nothing to do with willpower long term. People that use willpower to lose weight are called yo-yo dieters.
Are we really back to the 'everyone who is overweight has a physical or mental disorder' argument?
No. It is a metabolic disorder medically speaking.
Being overweight is not a metabolic disorder for the vast majority as their bodies are reacting exactly as designed i.e. seek food, and gain weight for the famine or illness that will come. We have only been in a food rich society for a blink of an eye.
Then what kind of disorder is being overweight?
It isn't a disorder. The body is processing excess calories the way it was designed - by storing them as fat.
Calling it a "Disorder" suggests that a system is functioning outside of the norm, it is not working properly - but weight gain as result of consuming more energy than the system requires is not a malfunction of the system.
If you have a cup, and you fill it with water such that it overflows, it is neither the design of the cup nor the fault of the liquid that you now have a mess to clean up. The cup holds what it holds. The act of you overfilling it does not mean that the cup is malfunctioning.28 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-thin-people-dieting-weight-food-resolutions-0101-20171227-story.html
I am not sure what made me more mad when I saw this commentary piece in the Chicago Tribune this morning....
The statement that "cutting calories alone doesn't lead to long-term weight loss".
The myth that there are "naturally thin" people who just have good genetics and high metabolism.
Or, the conclusion that if you are overweight, you do not have any chance of losing weight long term so you shouldn't even try.
So angry right now....
I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this dreary op-ed article.
Not sure there are 'skinny' genes but it is true in a functional sense that cutting calories does not lead to long term weight loss for most people that I have ever known including myself.
Finally at the age of 63 I decided to NEVER go on another diet to lose weight just to have another 100%+ regain. Now turning 67 I have lost 50 pounds and maintained that loss for over two and half years by changing the kind of calories that I eat.
Cutting calories can be a short term fix in an emergency but it is not likely to fix the cause of the wrong way of thinking, eating and moving that lead to the need to go on a "diet" in the first place.
For over three years now I have eaten only to improve my health and health markers. When I did that the weight started to normalize (decrease) after the first 45 days without any dieting effort yet staying stuffed most of the time.
Thinking about losing weight seems to be a good way to gain weight for many people it seems perhaps.
And do you know why your weight decreased? Because you were taking in less calories than you were burning. Whether you viewed what you were doing as cutting calories or not, that is exactly what you were doing if you lost weight. I'm sure you will spout all sorts of nonsense to try to explain otherwise, because that is what you do best around here, but the simple fact is your weight is directly affected by CICO.
Do you know why I was taking in less calories when starting Oct 2014 (and still continue to eat that way today) cold turkey I cut add sugars and all forms of all grains that over time has resolved my binging, pain, IBS, limited health in general, etc?
Did I know going LCHF Oct 2014 would functionally give me hope for a future? NO I did not but I was willing to try anything to avoid the medical side effects of starting on Enbrel injections Nov 2014. I did not even know what I was doing but just acting to a hunch that cutting out the sugar and grain that I might be able to dodge the Enbrel bullet coming my way. I added about a 1000 calories daily at the same time from coconut products trying to prevent Alzheimer's.
That is how out of ignorance I accidently started the LCHF WOE. As noted before I had to leave sugar and grains cold turkey after trying to taper off of them for 60 days and failing. I learned I was a carb addict then I realized I was going to have to stop eat food containing added sugar and any form of any grain instead of just reducing these highly processed carb food sources.
As I have stated for years how one eats is their own business and how I eat is my business. At the age of 63 I willfully decided to eat for longer life instead of eating for a premature death.
Yep, there's the long, drawn out, nonsense explanation I was expecting and forgive me, but I am having trouble following. You say you were taking in less calories, but then say you added about 1000 calories a day at the same time. So which is it? Were you taking in less calories or more? Were the 1000 calories of coconut products included in your daily total which was less than before? If so, then it I have some news for you: it wasn't the fact that you were taking coconut products that helped you lose weight, it is the fact that you were taking in less calories overall. You could have been ingesting 1000 calories of pure sugar instead of coconut, and as long as your CI were less than your CO you would lose weight. You found something that worked for you which is great, but it blows my mind how you still try to argue that your weight loss was somehow not attributed to a caloric deficit. The fact of the matter is, what worked for you was eating at a deficit, and just because you don't view it that way, it doesn't make it any less true.
CICO will never medically explain why some people overeat.
No, but it will explain why they gain/lose weight. Lack of willpower and CICO are 2 completely different things.
Would you agree 100% of people who legally log into these MFP forums already know it is calories or lack of calories from the food they eat that causes them to gain/lose weight?
People need to know WHY they under/over eat and it has nothing to do with willpower long term. People that use willpower to lose weight are called yo-yo dieters.
Are we really back to the 'everyone who is overweight has a physical or mental disorder' argument?
No. It is a metabolic disorder medically speaking.
Being overweight is not a metabolic disorder for the vast majority as their bodies are reacting exactly as designed i.e. seek food, and gain weight for the famine or illness that will come. We have only been in a food rich society for a blink of an eye.
Then what kind of disorder is being overweight?
Maybe I'm lacking understanding/personal experience and empathy here, but being overweight is the disorder of eating too much. Being overweight doesn't automatically mean someone has a mental defect.
Most everyone loves eating yummy, calorific food. It's hard to stop at 2-3 slices of pizza or 1 piece of cake when it tastes soooo good, i thought this was normal... Some people are aware that overindulging will cause weight gain and will rein it in, others are aware but just don't care. I'd say very few have an actual medically diagnosed eating disorder.
ETA I honestly feel i'm missing the point of your questions. It seems you're trying to make this whole thing harder than it is, and are desperately trying to find excuses and medical anomalies for everyone and anyone who overeats..14 -
WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-thin-people-dieting-weight-food-resolutions-0101-20171227-story.html
I am not sure what made me more mad when I saw this commentary piece in the Chicago Tribune this morning....
The statement that "cutting calories alone doesn't lead to long-term weight loss".
The myth that there are "naturally thin" people who just have good genetics and high metabolism.
Or, the conclusion that if you are overweight, you do not have any chance of losing weight long term so you shouldn't even try.
So angry right now....
I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this dreary op-ed article.
Not sure there are 'skinny' genes but it is true in a functional sense that cutting calories does not lead to long term weight loss for most people that I have ever known including myself.
Finally at the age of 63 I decided to NEVER go on another diet to lose weight just to have another 100%+ regain. Now turning 67 I have lost 50 pounds and maintained that loss for over two and half years by changing the kind of calories that I eat.
Cutting calories can be a short term fix in an emergency but it is not likely to fix the cause of the wrong way of thinking, eating and moving that lead to the need to go on a "diet" in the first place.
For over three years now I have eaten only to improve my health and health markers. When I did that the weight started to normalize (decrease) after the first 45 days without any dieting effort yet staying stuffed most of the time.
Thinking about losing weight seems to be a good way to gain weight for many people it seems perhaps.
And do you know why your weight decreased? Because you were taking in less calories than you were burning. Whether you viewed what you were doing as cutting calories or not, that is exactly what you were doing if you lost weight. I'm sure you will spout all sorts of nonsense to try to explain otherwise, because that is what you do best around here, but the simple fact is your weight is directly affected by CICO.
Do you know why I was taking in less calories when starting Oct 2014 (and still continue to eat that way today) cold turkey I cut add sugars and all forms of all grains that over time has resolved my binging, pain, IBS, limited health in general, etc?
Did I know going LCHF Oct 2014 would functionally give me hope for a future? NO I did not but I was willing to try anything to avoid the medical side effects of starting on Enbrel injections Nov 2014. I did not even know what I was doing but just acting to a hunch that cutting out the sugar and grain that I might be able to dodge the Enbrel bullet coming my way. I added about a 1000 calories daily at the same time from coconut products trying to prevent Alzheimer's.
That is how out of ignorance I accidently started the LCHF WOE. As noted before I had to leave sugar and grains cold turkey after trying to taper off of them for 60 days and failing. I learned I was a carb addict then I realized I was going to have to stop eat food containing added sugar and any form of any grain instead of just reducing these highly processed carb food sources.
As I have stated for years how one eats is their own business and how I eat is my business. At the age of 63 I willfully decided to eat for longer life instead of eating for a premature death.
Yep, there's the long, drawn out, nonsense explanation I was expecting and forgive me, but I am having trouble following. You say you were taking in less calories, but then say you added about 1000 calories a day at the same time. So which is it? Were you taking in less calories or more? Were the 1000 calories of coconut products included in your daily total which was less than before? If so, then it I have some news for you: it wasn't the fact that you were taking coconut products that helped you lose weight, it is the fact that you were taking in less calories overall. You could have been ingesting 1000 calories of pure sugar instead of coconut, and as long as your CI were less than your CO you would lose weight. You found something that worked for you which is great, but it blows my mind how you still try to argue that your weight loss was somehow not attributed to a caloric deficit. The fact of the matter is, what worked for you was eating at a deficit, and just because you don't view it that way, it doesn't make it any less true.
CICO will never medically explain why some people overeat.
No, but it will explain why they gain/lose weight. Lack of willpower and CICO are 2 completely different things.
Would you agree 100% of people who legally log into these MFP forums already know it is calories or lack of calories from the food they eat that causes them to gain/lose weight?
People need to know WHY they under/over eat and it has nothing to do with willpower long term. People that use willpower to lose weight are called yo-yo dieters.
Are we really back to the 'everyone who is overweight has a physical or mental disorder' argument?
No. It is a metabolic disorder medically speaking.
Being overweight is not a metabolic disorder for the vast majority as their bodies are reacting exactly as designed i.e. seek food, and gain weight for the famine or illness that will come. We have only been in a food rich society for a blink of an eye.
Then what kind of disorder is being overweight?
It isn't a disorder. The body is processing excess calories the way it was designed - by storing them as fat.
Calling it a "Disorder" suggests that a system is functioning outside of the norm, it is not working properly - but weight gain as result of consuming more energy than the system requires is not a malfunction of the system.
If you have a cup, and you fill it with water such that it overflows, it is neither the design of the cup nor the fault of the liquid that you now have a mess to clean up. The cup holds what it holds. The act of you overfilling it does not mean that the cup is malfunctioning.
Yeah, but, like, you totally didn't address WHY someone would fill the cup until it overflowed. Until we nail that, we'll live in water-drenched anarchy.23 -
WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-thin-people-dieting-weight-food-resolutions-0101-20171227-story.html
I am not sure what made me more mad when I saw this commentary piece in the Chicago Tribune this morning....
The statement that "cutting calories alone doesn't lead to long-term weight loss".
The myth that there are "naturally thin" people who just have good genetics and high metabolism.
Or, the conclusion that if you are overweight, you do not have any chance of losing weight long term so you shouldn't even try.
So angry right now....
I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this dreary op-ed article.
Not sure there are 'skinny' genes but it is true in a functional sense that cutting calories does not lead to long term weight loss for most people that I have ever known including myself.
Finally at the age of 63 I decided to NEVER go on another diet to lose weight just to have another 100%+ regain. Now turning 67 I have lost 50 pounds and maintained that loss for over two and half years by changing the kind of calories that I eat.
Cutting calories can be a short term fix in an emergency but it is not likely to fix the cause of the wrong way of thinking, eating and moving that lead to the need to go on a "diet" in the first place.
For over three years now I have eaten only to improve my health and health markers. When I did that the weight started to normalize (decrease) after the first 45 days without any dieting effort yet staying stuffed most of the time.
Thinking about losing weight seems to be a good way to gain weight for many people it seems perhaps.
And do you know why your weight decreased? Because you were taking in less calories than you were burning. Whether you viewed what you were doing as cutting calories or not, that is exactly what you were doing if you lost weight. I'm sure you will spout all sorts of nonsense to try to explain otherwise, because that is what you do best around here, but the simple fact is your weight is directly affected by CICO.
Do you know why I was taking in less calories when starting Oct 2014 (and still continue to eat that way today) cold turkey I cut add sugars and all forms of all grains that over time has resolved my binging, pain, IBS, limited health in general, etc?
Did I know going LCHF Oct 2014 would functionally give me hope for a future? NO I did not but I was willing to try anything to avoid the medical side effects of starting on Enbrel injections Nov 2014. I did not even know what I was doing but just acting to a hunch that cutting out the sugar and grain that I might be able to dodge the Enbrel bullet coming my way. I added about a 1000 calories daily at the same time from coconut products trying to prevent Alzheimer's.
That is how out of ignorance I accidently started the LCHF WOE. As noted before I had to leave sugar and grains cold turkey after trying to taper off of them for 60 days and failing. I learned I was a carb addict then I realized I was going to have to stop eat food containing added sugar and any form of any grain instead of just reducing these highly processed carb food sources.
As I have stated for years how one eats is their own business and how I eat is my business. At the age of 63 I willfully decided to eat for longer life instead of eating for a premature death.
Yep, there's the long, drawn out, nonsense explanation I was expecting and forgive me, but I am having trouble following. You say you were taking in less calories, but then say you added about 1000 calories a day at the same time. So which is it? Were you taking in less calories or more? Were the 1000 calories of coconut products included in your daily total which was less than before? If so, then it I have some news for you: it wasn't the fact that you were taking coconut products that helped you lose weight, it is the fact that you were taking in less calories overall. You could have been ingesting 1000 calories of pure sugar instead of coconut, and as long as your CI were less than your CO you would lose weight. You found something that worked for you which is great, but it blows my mind how you still try to argue that your weight loss was somehow not attributed to a caloric deficit. The fact of the matter is, what worked for you was eating at a deficit, and just because you don't view it that way, it doesn't make it any less true.
CICO will never medically explain why some people overeat.
No, but it will explain why they gain/lose weight. Lack of willpower and CICO are 2 completely different things.
Would you agree 100% of people who legally log into these MFP forums already know it is calories or lack of calories from the food they eat that causes them to gain/lose weight?
People need to know WHY they under/over eat and it has nothing to do with willpower long term. People that use willpower to lose weight are called yo-yo dieters.
Are we really back to the 'everyone who is overweight has a physical or mental disorder' argument?
No. It is a metabolic disorder medically speaking.
Being overweight is not a metabolic disorder for the vast majority as their bodies are reacting exactly as designed i.e. seek food, and gain weight for the famine or illness that will come. We have only been in a food rich society for a blink of an eye.
Then what kind of disorder is being overweight?
It isn't a disorder. The body is processing excess calories the way it was designed - by storing them as fat.
Calling it a "Disorder" suggests that a system is functioning outside of the norm, it is not working properly - but weight gain as result of consuming more energy than the system requires is not a malfunction of the system.
If you have a cup, and you fill it with water such that it overflows, it is neither the design of the cup nor the fault of the liquid that you now have a mess to clean up. The cup holds what it holds. The act of you overfilling it does not mean that the cup is malfunctioning.
This.Christine_72 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-thin-people-dieting-weight-food-resolutions-0101-20171227-story.html
I am not sure what made me more mad when I saw this commentary piece in the Chicago Tribune this morning....
The statement that "cutting calories alone doesn't lead to long-term weight loss".
The myth that there are "naturally thin" people who just have good genetics and high metabolism.
Or, the conclusion that if you are overweight, you do not have any chance of losing weight long term so you shouldn't even try.
So angry right now....
I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this dreary op-ed article.
Not sure there are 'skinny' genes but it is true in a functional sense that cutting calories does not lead to long term weight loss for most people that I have ever known including myself.
Finally at the age of 63 I decided to NEVER go on another diet to lose weight just to have another 100%+ regain. Now turning 67 I have lost 50 pounds and maintained that loss for over two and half years by changing the kind of calories that I eat.
Cutting calories can be a short term fix in an emergency but it is not likely to fix the cause of the wrong way of thinking, eating and moving that lead to the need to go on a "diet" in the first place.
For over three years now I have eaten only to improve my health and health markers. When I did that the weight started to normalize (decrease) after the first 45 days without any dieting effort yet staying stuffed most of the time.
Thinking about losing weight seems to be a good way to gain weight for many people it seems perhaps.
And do you know why your weight decreased? Because you were taking in less calories than you were burning. Whether you viewed what you were doing as cutting calories or not, that is exactly what you were doing if you lost weight. I'm sure you will spout all sorts of nonsense to try to explain otherwise, because that is what you do best around here, but the simple fact is your weight is directly affected by CICO.
Do you know why I was taking in less calories when starting Oct 2014 (and still continue to eat that way today) cold turkey I cut add sugars and all forms of all grains that over time has resolved my binging, pain, IBS, limited health in general, etc?
Did I know going LCHF Oct 2014 would functionally give me hope for a future? NO I did not but I was willing to try anything to avoid the medical side effects of starting on Enbrel injections Nov 2014. I did not even know what I was doing but just acting to a hunch that cutting out the sugar and grain that I might be able to dodge the Enbrel bullet coming my way. I added about a 1000 calories daily at the same time from coconut products trying to prevent Alzheimer's.
That is how out of ignorance I accidently started the LCHF WOE. As noted before I had to leave sugar and grains cold turkey after trying to taper off of them for 60 days and failing. I learned I was a carb addict then I realized I was going to have to stop eat food containing added sugar and any form of any grain instead of just reducing these highly processed carb food sources.
As I have stated for years how one eats is their own business and how I eat is my business. At the age of 63 I willfully decided to eat for longer life instead of eating for a premature death.
Yep, there's the long, drawn out, nonsense explanation I was expecting and forgive me, but I am having trouble following. You say you were taking in less calories, but then say you added about 1000 calories a day at the same time. So which is it? Were you taking in less calories or more? Were the 1000 calories of coconut products included in your daily total which was less than before? If so, then it I have some news for you: it wasn't the fact that you were taking coconut products that helped you lose weight, it is the fact that you were taking in less calories overall. You could have been ingesting 1000 calories of pure sugar instead of coconut, and as long as your CI were less than your CO you would lose weight. You found something that worked for you which is great, but it blows my mind how you still try to argue that your weight loss was somehow not attributed to a caloric deficit. The fact of the matter is, what worked for you was eating at a deficit, and just because you don't view it that way, it doesn't make it any less true.
CICO will never medically explain why some people overeat.
No, but it will explain why they gain/lose weight. Lack of willpower and CICO are 2 completely different things.
Would you agree 100% of people who legally log into these MFP forums already know it is calories or lack of calories from the food they eat that causes them to gain/lose weight?
People need to know WHY they under/over eat and it has nothing to do with willpower long term. People that use willpower to lose weight are called yo-yo dieters.
Are we really back to the 'everyone who is overweight has a physical or mental disorder' argument?
No. It is a metabolic disorder medically speaking.
Being overweight is not a metabolic disorder for the vast majority as their bodies are reacting exactly as designed i.e. seek food, and gain weight for the famine or illness that will come. We have only been in a food rich society for a blink of an eye.
Then what kind of disorder is being overweight?
Maybe I'm lacking understanding/personal experience and empathy here, but being overweight is the disorder of eating too much. Being overweight doesn't automatically mean someone has a mental defect.
Most everyone loves eating yummy, calorific food. It's hard to stop at 2-3 slices of pizza or 1 piece of cake when it tastes soooo good, i thought this was normal... Some people are aware that overindulging will cause weight gain and will rein it in, others are aware but just don't care. I'd say very few have an actual medically diagnosed eating disorder.
I honestly feel i'm missing the point of your questions.
It's not you missing the point.8 -
If being overweight was a medical disorder then half the worlds population has it! And why has it reared it's head only in the past few decades when obesity has become more of a problem, is it something the government is putting in our water??6
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WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-thin-people-dieting-weight-food-resolutions-0101-20171227-story.html
I am not sure what made me more mad when I saw this commentary piece in the Chicago Tribune this morning....
The statement that "cutting calories alone doesn't lead to long-term weight loss".
The myth that there are "naturally thin" people who just have good genetics and high metabolism.
Or, the conclusion that if you are overweight, you do not have any chance of losing weight long term so you shouldn't even try.
So angry right now....
I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this dreary op-ed article.
Not sure there are 'skinny' genes but it is true in a functional sense that cutting calories does not lead to long term weight loss for most people that I have ever known including myself.
Finally at the age of 63 I decided to NEVER go on another diet to lose weight just to have another 100%+ regain. Now turning 67 I have lost 50 pounds and maintained that loss for over two and half years by changing the kind of calories that I eat.
Cutting calories can be a short term fix in an emergency but it is not likely to fix the cause of the wrong way of thinking, eating and moving that lead to the need to go on a "diet" in the first place.
For over three years now I have eaten only to improve my health and health markers. When I did that the weight started to normalize (decrease) after the first 45 days without any dieting effort yet staying stuffed most of the time.
Thinking about losing weight seems to be a good way to gain weight for many people it seems perhaps.
And do you know why your weight decreased? Because you were taking in less calories than you were burning. Whether you viewed what you were doing as cutting calories or not, that is exactly what you were doing if you lost weight. I'm sure you will spout all sorts of nonsense to try to explain otherwise, because that is what you do best around here, but the simple fact is your weight is directly affected by CICO.
Do you know why I was taking in less calories when starting Oct 2014 (and still continue to eat that way today) cold turkey I cut add sugars and all forms of all grains that over time has resolved my binging, pain, IBS, limited health in general, etc?
Did I know going LCHF Oct 2014 would functionally give me hope for a future? NO I did not but I was willing to try anything to avoid the medical side effects of starting on Enbrel injections Nov 2014. I did not even know what I was doing but just acting to a hunch that cutting out the sugar and grain that I might be able to dodge the Enbrel bullet coming my way. I added about a 1000 calories daily at the same time from coconut products trying to prevent Alzheimer's.
That is how out of ignorance I accidently started the LCHF WOE. As noted before I had to leave sugar and grains cold turkey after trying to taper off of them for 60 days and failing. I learned I was a carb addict then I realized I was going to have to stop eat food containing added sugar and any form of any grain instead of just reducing these highly processed carb food sources.
As I have stated for years how one eats is their own business and how I eat is my business. At the age of 63 I willfully decided to eat for longer life instead of eating for a premature death.
Yep, there's the long, drawn out, nonsense explanation I was expecting and forgive me, but I am having trouble following. You say you were taking in less calories, but then say you added about 1000 calories a day at the same time. So which is it? Were you taking in less calories or more? Were the 1000 calories of coconut products included in your daily total which was less than before? If so, then it I have some news for you: it wasn't the fact that you were taking coconut products that helped you lose weight, it is the fact that you were taking in less calories overall. You could have been ingesting 1000 calories of pure sugar instead of coconut, and as long as your CI were less than your CO you would lose weight. You found something that worked for you which is great, but it blows my mind how you still try to argue that your weight loss was somehow not attributed to a caloric deficit. The fact of the matter is, what worked for you was eating at a deficit, and just because you don't view it that way, it doesn't make it any less true.
CICO will never medically explain why some people overeat.
No, but it will explain why they gain/lose weight. Lack of willpower and CICO are 2 completely different things.
Would you agree 100% of people who legally log into these MFP forums already know it is calories or lack of calories from the food they eat that causes them to gain/lose weight?
People need to know WHY they under/over eat and it has nothing to do with willpower long term. People that use willpower to lose weight are called yo-yo dieters.
Are we really back to the 'everyone who is overweight has a physical or mental disorder' argument?
No. It is a metabolic disorder medically speaking.
Being overweight is not a metabolic disorder for the vast majority as their bodies are reacting exactly as designed i.e. seek food, and gain weight for the famine or illness that will come. We have only been in a food rich society for a blink of an eye.
Then what kind of disorder is being overweight?
It isn't a disorder. The body is processing excess calories the way it was designed - by storing them as fat.
Calling it a "Disorder" suggests that a system is functioning outside of the norm, it is not working properly - but weight gain as result of consuming more energy than the system requires is not a malfunction of the system.
If you have a cup, and you fill it with water such that it overflows, it is neither the design of the cup nor the fault of the liquid that you now have a mess to clean up. The cup holds what it holds. The act of you overfilling it does not mean that the cup is malfunctioning.
Yeah, but, like, you totally didn't address WHY someone would fill the cup until it overflowed. Until we nail that, we'll live in water-drenched anarchy.
Like Waterworld?
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WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-thin-people-dieting-weight-food-resolutions-0101-20171227-story.html
I am not sure what made me more mad when I saw this commentary piece in the Chicago Tribune this morning....
The statement that "cutting calories alone doesn't lead to long-term weight loss".
The myth that there are "naturally thin" people who just have good genetics and high metabolism.
Or, the conclusion that if you are overweight, you do not have any chance of losing weight long term so you shouldn't even try.
So angry right now....
I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this dreary op-ed article.
Not sure there are 'skinny' genes but it is true in a functional sense that cutting calories does not lead to long term weight loss for most people that I have ever known including myself.
Finally at the age of 63 I decided to NEVER go on another diet to lose weight just to have another 100%+ regain. Now turning 67 I have lost 50 pounds and maintained that loss for over two and half years by changing the kind of calories that I eat.
Cutting calories can be a short term fix in an emergency but it is not likely to fix the cause of the wrong way of thinking, eating and moving that lead to the need to go on a "diet" in the first place.
For over three years now I have eaten only to improve my health and health markers. When I did that the weight started to normalize (decrease) after the first 45 days without any dieting effort yet staying stuffed most of the time.
Thinking about losing weight seems to be a good way to gain weight for many people it seems perhaps.
And do you know why your weight decreased? Because you were taking in less calories than you were burning. Whether you viewed what you were doing as cutting calories or not, that is exactly what you were doing if you lost weight. I'm sure you will spout all sorts of nonsense to try to explain otherwise, because that is what you do best around here, but the simple fact is your weight is directly affected by CICO.
Do you know why I was taking in less calories when starting Oct 2014 (and still continue to eat that way today) cold turkey I cut add sugars and all forms of all grains that over time has resolved my binging, pain, IBS, limited health in general, etc?
Did I know going LCHF Oct 2014 would functionally give me hope for a future? NO I did not but I was willing to try anything to avoid the medical side effects of starting on Enbrel injections Nov 2014. I did not even know what I was doing but just acting to a hunch that cutting out the sugar and grain that I might be able to dodge the Enbrel bullet coming my way. I added about a 1000 calories daily at the same time from coconut products trying to prevent Alzheimer's.
That is how out of ignorance I accidently started the LCHF WOE. As noted before I had to leave sugar and grains cold turkey after trying to taper off of them for 60 days and failing. I learned I was a carb addict then I realized I was going to have to stop eat food containing added sugar and any form of any grain instead of just reducing these highly processed carb food sources.
As I have stated for years how one eats is their own business and how I eat is my business. At the age of 63 I willfully decided to eat for longer life instead of eating for a premature death.
Yep, there's the long, drawn out, nonsense explanation I was expecting and forgive me, but I am having trouble following. You say you were taking in less calories, but then say you added about 1000 calories a day at the same time. So which is it? Were you taking in less calories or more? Were the 1000 calories of coconut products included in your daily total which was less than before? If so, then it I have some news for you: it wasn't the fact that you were taking coconut products that helped you lose weight, it is the fact that you were taking in less calories overall. You could have been ingesting 1000 calories of pure sugar instead of coconut, and as long as your CI were less than your CO you would lose weight. You found something that worked for you which is great, but it blows my mind how you still try to argue that your weight loss was somehow not attributed to a caloric deficit. The fact of the matter is, what worked for you was eating at a deficit, and just because you don't view it that way, it doesn't make it any less true.
CICO will never medically explain why some people overeat.
No, but it will explain why they gain/lose weight. Lack of willpower and CICO are 2 completely different things.
Would you agree 100% of people who legally log into these MFP forums already know it is calories or lack of calories from the food they eat that causes them to gain/lose weight?
People need to know WHY they under/over eat and it has nothing to do with willpower long term. People that use willpower to lose weight are called yo-yo dieters.
Are we really back to the 'everyone who is overweight has a physical or mental disorder' argument?
No. It is a metabolic disorder medically speaking.
Being overweight is not a metabolic disorder for the vast majority as their bodies are reacting exactly as designed i.e. seek food, and gain weight for the famine or illness that will come. We have only been in a food rich society for a blink of an eye.
Then what kind of disorder is being overweight?
It isn't a disorder. The body is processing excess calories the way it was designed - by storing them as fat.
Calling it a "Disorder" suggests that a system is functioning outside of the norm, it is not working properly - but weight gain as result of consuming more energy than the system requires is not a malfunction of the system.
If you have a cup, and you fill it with water such that it overflows, it is neither the design of the cup nor the fault of the liquid that you now have a mess to clean up. The cup holds what it holds. The act of you overfilling it does not mean that the cup is malfunctioning.
Yeah, but, like, you totally didn't address WHY someone would fill the cup until it overflowed. Until we nail that, we'll live in water-drenched anarchy.
Like Waterworld?
I call Team Smokers.0 -
If over weight/obesity is not a metabolic disorder why are MD's telling people to lose weight? Are they all quacks now?25
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