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GaleHawkins wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »If over weight/obesity is not a metabolic disorder why are MD's telling people to lose weight? Are they all quacks now?
A metabolic disorder would mean that something isn't working right...ie you have something going on which is resulting in metabolic issues like hypo or hyperthyroidism...those are metabolic disorders.
Being overweight can be unhealthy and lead to any number of health issues and increase one's risk of health issues...but being overweight isn't a metabolic disorder...for most people it is a result of eating well beyond what is necessary, not something wrong with their metabolism.
Bingo. We become obese because something isn't working right so at least obesity is due to a metabolic disorder. I agree with that.
That's not what their post said. They said there are metabolic disorders that can result in obesity, not that obesity is always caused by a metabolic disorder.
As has been said, becoming obese from overeating is exactly how your body is supposed to work.9 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-thin-people-dieting-weight-food-resolutions-0101-20171227-story.html
I am not sure what made me more mad when I saw this commentary piece in the Chicago Tribune this morning....
The statement that "cutting calories alone doesn't lead to long-term weight loss".
The myth that there are "naturally thin" people who just have good genetics and high metabolism.
Or, the conclusion that if you are overweight, you do not have any chance of losing weight long term so you shouldn't even try.
So angry right now....
I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this dreary op-ed article.
Not sure there are 'skinny' genes but it is true in a functional sense that cutting calories does not lead to long term weight loss for most people that I have ever known including myself.
Finally at the age of 63 I decided to NEVER go on another diet to lose weight just to have another 100%+ regain. Now turning 67 I have lost 50 pounds and maintained that loss for over two and half years by changing the kind of calories that I eat.
Cutting calories can be a short term fix in an emergency but it is not likely to fix the cause of the wrong way of thinking, eating and moving that lead to the need to go on a "diet" in the first place.
For over three years now I have eaten only to improve my health and health markers. When I did that the weight started to normalize (decrease) after the first 45 days without any dieting effort yet staying stuffed most of the time.
Thinking about losing weight seems to be a good way to gain weight for many people it seems perhaps.
I just love being the special unicorn snowflake that I am. I was fat into my late twenties, lost the weight (50 pounds), and have maintained that loss (within a +/-5 pound range) for over 15 years (I think this is 17 years this year? I've lost count). All from cutting calories. Heck - my usual carb % is 55-60%, and it's not all healthy stuffs! I'm MAGIC.15 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-thin-people-dieting-weight-food-resolutions-0101-20171227-story.html
I am not sure what made me more mad when I saw this commentary piece in the Chicago Tribune this morning....
The statement that "cutting calories alone doesn't lead to long-term weight loss".
The myth that there are "naturally thin" people who just have good genetics and high metabolism.
Or, the conclusion that if you are overweight, you do not have any chance of losing weight long term so you shouldn't even try.
So angry right now....
I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this dreary op-ed article.
Not sure there are 'skinny' genes but it is true in a functional sense that cutting calories does not lead to long term weight loss for most people that I have ever known including myself.
Finally at the age of 63 I decided to NEVER go on another diet to lose weight just to have another 100%+ regain. Now turning 67 I have lost 50 pounds and maintained that loss for over two and half years by changing the kind of calories that I eat.
Cutting calories can be a short term fix in an emergency but it is not likely to fix the cause of the wrong way of thinking, eating and moving that lead to the need to go on a "diet" in the first place.
For over three years now I have eaten only to improve my health and health markers. When I did that the weight started to normalize (decrease) after the first 45 days without any dieting effort yet staying stuffed most of the time.
Thinking about losing weight seems to be a good way to gain weight for many people it seems perhaps.
And do you know why your weight decreased? Because you were taking in less calories than you were burning. Whether you viewed what you were doing as cutting calories or not, that is exactly what you were doing if you lost weight. I'm sure you will spout all sorts of nonsense to try to explain otherwise, because that is what you do best around here, but the simple fact is your weight is directly affected by CICO.
Do you know why I was taking in less calories when starting Oct 2014 (and still continue to eat that way today) cold turkey I cut add sugars and all forms of all grains that over time has resolved my binging, pain, IBS, limited health in general, etc?
Did I know going LCHF Oct 2014 would functionally give me hope for a future? NO I did not but I was willing to try anything to avoid the medical side effects of starting on Enbrel injections Nov 2014. I did not even know what I was doing but just acting to a hunch that cutting out the sugar and grain that I might be able to dodge the Enbrel bullet coming my way. I added about a 1000 calories daily at the same time from coconut products trying to prevent Alzheimer's.
That is how out of ignorance I accidently started the LCHF WOE. As noted before I had to leave sugar and grains cold turkey after trying to taper off of them for 60 days and failing. I learned I was a carb addict then I realized I was going to have to stop eat food containing added sugar and any form of any grain instead of just reducing these highly processed carb food sources.
As I have stated for years how one eats is their own business and how I eat is my business. At the age of 63 I willfully decided to eat for longer life instead of eating for a premature death.
Yep, there's the long, drawn out, nonsense explanation I was expecting and forgive me, but I am having trouble following. You say you were taking in less calories, but then say you added about 1000 calories a day at the same time. So which is it? Were you taking in less calories or more? Were the 1000 calories of coconut products included in your daily total which was less than before? If so, then it I have some news for you: it wasn't the fact that you were taking coconut products that helped you lose weight, it is the fact that you were taking in less calories overall. You could have been ingesting 1000 calories of pure sugar instead of coconut, and as long as your CI were less than your CO you would lose weight. You found something that worked for you which is great, but it blows my mind how you still try to argue that your weight loss was somehow not attributed to a caloric deficit. The fact of the matter is, what worked for you was eating at a deficit, and just because you don't view it that way, it doesn't make it any less true.
CICO will never medically explain why some people overeat.
No, but it will explain why they gain/lose weight. Lack of willpower and CICO are 2 completely different things.
Would you agree 100% of people who legally log into these MFP forums already know it is calories or lack of calories from the food they eat that causes them to gain/lose weight?
People need to know WHY they under/over eat and it has nothing to do with willpower long term. People that use willpower to lose weight are called yo-yo dieters.
Are we really back to the 'everyone who is overweight has a physical or mental disorder' argument?
No. It is a metabolic disorder medically speaking.
Being overweight is not a metabolic disorder for the vast majority as their bodies are reacting exactly as designed i.e. seek food, and gain weight for the famine or illness that will come. We have only been in a food rich society for a blink of an eye.
Then what kind of disorder is being overweight?
It. Isn't. A. Disorder.
What is more probable: that most of the world has a metabolic disorder that causes them to be overweight that has somehow just sprung up in the last few decades; or that people in have better access to food that is more calorie dense and cheaper, and that technology has lessened the requirement that we move so much?
I see your point. Obesity is the side effect of something upstream and that can vary from case to case. In my case after I started eating mainly whole foods (LCHF) instead of mainly highly processed carbs my health improved automatically and I lost 50 pounds without trying yet stayed stuffed for the past three years as I am at this minute after eating a large cluster of grapes. I made the eating change to simply gain longevity by improving general health so I could function without pain and without being under a doctor's care receiving Rx meds. My WOE is highly sustainable because after the first 30 days my controlling carb cravings was fading away fast. I understand my WOE is not for everyone because not everyone has carb cravings that can lead to binging. Thanks for clearing up my wording.16 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »If over weight/obesity is not a metabolic disorder why are MD's telling people to lose weight? Are they all quacks now?
A metabolic disorder would mean that something isn't working right...ie you have something going on which is resulting in metabolic issues like hypo or hyperthyroidism...those are metabolic disorders.
Being overweight can be unhealthy and lead to any number of health issues and increase one's risk of health issues...but being overweight isn't a metabolic disorder...for most people it is a result of eating well beyond what is necessary, not something wrong with their metabolism.
Bingo. We become obese because something isn't working right so at least obesity is due to a metabolic disorder. I agree with that.
It amazes me that you can take a post that literally says being overweight is not a metabolic disorder, and somehow read it as saying the opposite.
For the most part, people become obese because they eat too much. That's it, end of story.15 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »If over weight/obesity is not a metabolic disorder why are MD's telling people to lose weight? Are they all quacks now?
A metabolic disorder would mean that something isn't working right...ie you have something going on which is resulting in metabolic issues like hypo or hyperthyroidism...those are metabolic disorders.
Being overweight can be unhealthy and lead to any number of health issues and increase one's risk of health issues...but being overweight isn't a metabolic disorder...for most people it is a result of eating well beyond what is necessary, not something wrong with their metabolism.
Bingo. We become obese because something isn't working right so at least obesity is due to a metabolic disorder. I agree with that.
No, it's not a metabolic disorder but rather a maladaptive response in present context. It could be a metabolic disorder in some cases but in most cases it's due to lifestyle and behavioural choices that we make everyday. Eating more than you burn is not a metabolic disorder but the urge to eat to store excess energy is something that we have evolved to do and is now maladaptive.5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »If over weight/obesity is not a metabolic disorder why are MD's telling people to lose weight? Are they all quacks now?
MDs tell people to do lots of things for the good of their health. That doesn't make those ill-advised things a metabolic disorder.
Just to pick a random example, MDs - when relevant - will tell you not to eat when you have lead paint dust on your hands. Doesn't make lead paint dust (or its consumption) a metabolic disorder.
Overeating when food is abundant confers evolutionary advantage. Come the final post-apocalyptic famine, the obese may outlive you and me. Besides, McDonald's will be shuttered, so no "whole food" round eggs, burger patties, coffee.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-thin-people-dieting-weight-food-resolutions-0101-20171227-story.html
I am not sure what made me more mad when I saw this commentary piece in the Chicago Tribune this morning....
The statement that "cutting calories alone doesn't lead to long-term weight loss".
The myth that there are "naturally thin" people who just have good genetics and high metabolism.
Or, the conclusion that if you are overweight, you do not have any chance of losing weight long term so you shouldn't even try.
So angry right now....
I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this dreary op-ed article.
Not sure there are 'skinny' genes but it is true in a functional sense that cutting calories does not lead to long term weight loss for most people that I have ever known including myself.
Finally at the age of 63 I decided to NEVER go on another diet to lose weight just to have another 100%+ regain. Now turning 67 I have lost 50 pounds and maintained that loss for over two and half years by changing the kind of calories that I eat.
Cutting calories can be a short term fix in an emergency but it is not likely to fix the cause of the wrong way of thinking, eating and moving that lead to the need to go on a "diet" in the first place.
For over three years now I have eaten only to improve my health and health markers. When I did that the weight started to normalize (decrease) after the first 45 days without any dieting effort yet staying stuffed most of the time.
Thinking about losing weight seems to be a good way to gain weight for many people it seems perhaps.
And do you know why your weight decreased? Because you were taking in less calories than you were burning. Whether you viewed what you were doing as cutting calories or not, that is exactly what you were doing if you lost weight. I'm sure you will spout all sorts of nonsense to try to explain otherwise, because that is what you do best around here, but the simple fact is your weight is directly affected by CICO.
Do you know why I was taking in less calories when starting Oct 2014 (and still continue to eat that way today) cold turkey I cut add sugars and all forms of all grains that over time has resolved my binging, pain, IBS, limited health in general, etc?
Did I know going LCHF Oct 2014 would functionally give me hope for a future? NO I did not but I was willing to try anything to avoid the medical side effects of starting on Enbrel injections Nov 2014. I did not even know what I was doing but just acting to a hunch that cutting out the sugar and grain that I might be able to dodge the Enbrel bullet coming my way. I added about a 1000 calories daily at the same time from coconut products trying to prevent Alzheimer's.
That is how out of ignorance I accidently started the LCHF WOE. As noted before I had to leave sugar and grains cold turkey after trying to taper off of them for 60 days and failing. I learned I was a carb addict then I realized I was going to have to stop eat food containing added sugar and any form of any grain instead of just reducing these highly processed carb food sources.
As I have stated for years how one eats is their own business and how I eat is my business. At the age of 63 I willfully decided to eat for longer life instead of eating for a premature death.
Yep, there's the long, drawn out, nonsense explanation I was expecting and forgive me, but I am having trouble following. You say you were taking in less calories, but then say you added about 1000 calories a day at the same time. So which is it? Were you taking in less calories or more? Were the 1000 calories of coconut products included in your daily total which was less than before? If so, then it I have some news for you: it wasn't the fact that you were taking coconut products that helped you lose weight, it is the fact that you were taking in less calories overall. You could have been ingesting 1000 calories of pure sugar instead of coconut, and as long as your CI were less than your CO you would lose weight. You found something that worked for you which is great, but it blows my mind how you still try to argue that your weight loss was somehow not attributed to a caloric deficit. The fact of the matter is, what worked for you was eating at a deficit, and just because you don't view it that way, it doesn't make it any less true.
CICO will never medically explain why some people overeat.
No, but it will explain why they gain/lose weight. Lack of willpower and CICO are 2 completely different things.
Would you agree 100% of people who legally log into these MFP forums already know it is calories or lack of calories from the food they eat that causes them to gain/lose weight?
People need to know WHY they under/over eat and it has nothing to do with willpower long term. People that use willpower to lose weight are called yo-yo dieters.
Are we really back to the 'everyone who is overweight has a physical or mental disorder' argument?
No. It is a metabolic disorder medically speaking.
Being overweight is not a metabolic disorder for the vast majority as their bodies are reacting exactly as designed i.e. seek food, and gain weight for the famine or illness that will come. We have only been in a food rich society for a blink of an eye.
Then what kind of disorder is being overweight?
It. Isn't. A. Disorder.
What is more probable: that most of the world has a metabolic disorder that causes them to be overweight that has somehow just sprung up in the last few decades; or that people in have better access to food that is more calorie dense and cheaper, and that technology has lessened the requirement that we move so much?
I see your point. Obesity is the side effect of something upstream and that can vary from case to case. In my case after I started eating mainly whole foods (LCHF) instead of mainly highly processed carbs my health improved automatically and I lost 50 pounds without trying yet stayed stuffed for the past three years as I am at this minute after eating a large cluster of grapes. I made the eating change to simply gain longevity by improving general health so I could function without pain and without being under a doctor's care receiving Rx meds. My WOE is highly sustainable because after the first 30 days my controlling carb cravings was fading away fast. I understand my WOE is not for everyone because not everyone has carb cravings that can lead to binging. Thanks for clearing up my wording.
So food cravings are metabolic disorders? Ok, I'm listening fill me in on the latest research.7 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »If over weight/obesity is not a metabolic disorder why are MD's telling people to lose weight? Are they all quacks now?
A metabolic disorder would mean that something isn't working right...ie you have something going on which is resulting in metabolic issues like hypo or hyperthyroidism...those are metabolic disorders.
Being overweight can be unhealthy and lead to any number of health issues and increase one's risk of health issues...but being overweight isn't a metabolic disorder...for most people it is a result of eating well beyond what is necessary, not something wrong with their metabolism.
Bingo. We become obese because something isn't working right so at least obesity is due to a metabolic disorder. I agree with that.
It amazes me that you can take a post that literally says being overweight is not a metabolic disorder, and somehow read it as saying the opposite.
For the most part, people become obese because they eat too much. That's it, end of story.Nony_Mouse wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »If over weight/obesity is not a metabolic disorder why are MD's telling people to lose weight? Are they all quacks now?
A metabolic disorder would mean that something isn't working right...ie you have something going on which is resulting in metabolic issues like hypo or hyperthyroidism...those are metabolic disorders.
Being overweight can be unhealthy and lead to any number of health issues and increase one's risk of health issues...but being overweight isn't a metabolic disorder...for most people it is a result of eating well beyond what is necessary, not something wrong with their metabolism.
Bingo. We become obese because something isn't working right so at least obesity is due to a metabolic disorder. I agree with that.
It amazes me that you can take a post that literally says being overweight is not a metabolic disorder, and somehow read it as saying the opposite.
For the most part, people become obese because they eat too much. That's it, end of story.
We are all able to understand the eating too much part. That fact however does not answer the question of WHY we eat too much. The HOW we become obese is known and the least common denominator of weight loss it to learn WHY.
Sure counting calories is a good stop gap measure while we answer the WHY question.
It was when I realized I was a carb addict that did not want to give up the addiction that the WHY of my obesity and health wreck became clear in my mind. Addictions I learned are not easy to address but at age 63 I knew my time to change may be too late but I gave it a shoot starting Oct 2014 and now over three years I am reaping the health benefits and have maintained a 50 pound loss for nearly three years by just cutting out processed foods that resolved my processed carb cravings.
Everyone that is obese has a major WHY to answer. I did not have to learn what lead to my carb addiction forming sometime in the past. I just had to stop feeding the addiction Oct 2014 when I realized I was an addict. Staying out of my coffin as long as possible was my driving force. I decided to go for Life over a certain premature Death.
For 40 years of yo-yoing diets I knew HOW I kept having 100%+ regains after each weight loss. Long term success came only after I understood Why I had 100%+ regains for the past 40 years.
Most 8 year old kids understand CICO. Being slow I guess I was 63 and dying before I understood Why I was gorging out of control. Yes I got lucky because just cutting out processed foods contain sugar and any form of any grain fixed my over eating disorder.
Best of success to each in answerer his or her WHY do I overeat question.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-thin-people-dieting-weight-food-resolutions-0101-20171227-story.html
I am not sure what made me more mad when I saw this commentary piece in the Chicago Tribune this morning....
The statement that "cutting calories alone doesn't lead to long-term weight loss".
The myth that there are "naturally thin" people who just have good genetics and high metabolism.
Or, the conclusion that if you are overweight, you do not have any chance of losing weight long term so you shouldn't even try.
So angry right now....
I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this dreary op-ed article.
Not sure there are 'skinny' genes but it is true in a functional sense that cutting calories does not lead to long term weight loss for most people that I have ever known including myself.
Finally at the age of 63 I decided to NEVER go on another diet to lose weight just to have another 100%+ regain. Now turning 67 I have lost 50 pounds and maintained that loss for over two and half years by changing the kind of calories that I eat.
Cutting calories can be a short term fix in an emergency but it is not likely to fix the cause of the wrong way of thinking, eating and moving that lead to the need to go on a "diet" in the first place.
For over three years now I have eaten only to improve my health and health markers. When I did that the weight started to normalize (decrease) after the first 45 days without any dieting effort yet staying stuffed most of the time.
Thinking about losing weight seems to be a good way to gain weight for many people it seems perhaps.
And do you know why your weight decreased? Because you were taking in less calories than you were burning. Whether you viewed what you were doing as cutting calories or not, that is exactly what you were doing if you lost weight. I'm sure you will spout all sorts of nonsense to try to explain otherwise, because that is what you do best around here, but the simple fact is your weight is directly affected by CICO.
Do you know why I was taking in less calories when starting Oct 2014 (and still continue to eat that way today) cold turkey I cut add sugars and all forms of all grains that over time has resolved my binging, pain, IBS, limited health in general, etc?
Did I know going LCHF Oct 2014 would functionally give me hope for a future? NO I did not but I was willing to try anything to avoid the medical side effects of starting on Enbrel injections Nov 2014. I did not even know what I was doing but just acting to a hunch that cutting out the sugar and grain that I might be able to dodge the Enbrel bullet coming my way. I added about a 1000 calories daily at the same time from coconut products trying to prevent Alzheimer's.
That is how out of ignorance I accidently started the LCHF WOE. As noted before I had to leave sugar and grains cold turkey after trying to taper off of them for 60 days and failing. I learned I was a carb addict then I realized I was going to have to stop eat food containing added sugar and any form of any grain instead of just reducing these highly processed carb food sources.
As I have stated for years how one eats is their own business and how I eat is my business. At the age of 63 I willfully decided to eat for longer life instead of eating for a premature death.
Yep, there's the long, drawn out, nonsense explanation I was expecting and forgive me, but I am having trouble following. You say you were taking in less calories, but then say you added about 1000 calories a day at the same time. So which is it? Were you taking in less calories or more? Were the 1000 calories of coconut products included in your daily total which was less than before? If so, then it I have some news for you: it wasn't the fact that you were taking coconut products that helped you lose weight, it is the fact that you were taking in less calories overall. You could have been ingesting 1000 calories of pure sugar instead of coconut, and as long as your CI were less than your CO you would lose weight. You found something that worked for you which is great, but it blows my mind how you still try to argue that your weight loss was somehow not attributed to a caloric deficit. The fact of the matter is, what worked for you was eating at a deficit, and just because you don't view it that way, it doesn't make it any less true.
CICO will never medically explain why some people overeat.
No, but it will explain why they gain/lose weight. Lack of willpower and CICO are 2 completely different things.
Would you agree 100% of people who legally log into these MFP forums already know it is calories or lack of calories from the food they eat that causes them to gain/lose weight?
People need to know WHY they under/over eat and it has nothing to do with willpower long term. People that use willpower to lose weight are called yo-yo dieters.
Are we really back to the 'everyone who is overweight has a physical or mental disorder' argument?
No. It is a metabolic disorder medically speaking.
Being overweight is not a metabolic disorder for the vast majority as their bodies are reacting exactly as designed i.e. seek food, and gain weight for the famine or illness that will come. We have only been in a food rich society for a blink of an eye.
Then what kind of disorder is being overweight?
It. Isn't. A. Disorder.
What is more probable: that most of the world has a metabolic disorder that causes them to be overweight that has somehow just sprung up in the last few decades; or that people in have better access to food that is more calorie dense and cheaper, and that technology has lessened the requirement that we move so much?
I see your point. Obesity is the side effect of something upstream and that can vary from case to case. In my case after I started eating mainly whole foods (LCHF) instead of mainly highly processed carbs my health improved automatically and I lost 50 pounds without trying yet stayed stuffed for the past three years as I am at this minute after eating a large cluster of grapes. I made the eating change to simply gain longevity by improving general health so I could function without pain and without being under a doctor's care receiving Rx meds. My WOE is highly sustainable because after the first 30 days my controlling carb cravings was fading away fast. I understand my WOE is not for everyone because not everyone has carb cravings that can lead to binging. Thanks for clearing up my wording.
Now whole foods has a brand new definition too? Cool.9 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »If over weight/obesity is not a metabolic disorder why are MD's telling people to lose weight? Are they all quacks now?
A metabolic disorder would mean that something isn't working right...ie you have something going on which is resulting in metabolic issues like hypo or hyperthyroidism...those are metabolic disorders.
Being overweight can be unhealthy and lead to any number of health issues and increase one's risk of health issues...but being overweight isn't a metabolic disorder...for most people it is a result of eating well beyond what is necessary, not something wrong with their metabolism.
Bingo. We become obese because something isn't working right so at least obesity is due to a metabolic disorder. I agree with that.
No, it's not a metabolic disorder but rather a maladaptive response in present context. It could be a metabolic disorder in some cases but in most cases it's due to lifestyle and behavioural choices that we make everyday. Eating more than you burn is not a metabolic disorder but the urge to eat to store excess energy is something that we have evolved to do and is now maladaptive.
Good explanation.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »That fact however does not answer the question of WHY we eat too much.
It doesn't seem very difficult to understand.
Food tastes good, we have evolved to enjoy food (if someone did not that would have been evolutionarily disadvantageous) and to eat when it is available, and especially to enjoy high cal foods (full of sugar and fat). We spent most of our time on this planet (um, I don't mean humans used to live on another planet, for the record) in situations where food was scarce and we had to work really hard to get it. Now we barely have to move to live (some might even walk less than a mile a day, many have sedentary jobs, everything is automated, even kids often spend a lot of time in inactive play), and food -- very high cal foods that we have to do no work to get, in many cases -- is all around us, marketed to us, we use food as an excuse to socialize or take a break and consume it when doing other things.
Gosh, I wonder why people are overweight?
In this odd situation of plenty, most humans seem to need to come up with restrictions that limit how much they eat in some way. Some are good at that and seem to do it naturally (a few seem not to be that interested in food or really easily able to tell they need no more -- but that seems rare and would NOT have been evolutionarily advantageous). One example of someone who kind of naturally developed ways to live that limited her eating is my sister, who has always watched portions, eating low cal foods if she wanted to snack between meals, been active, and immediately cut back if she started putting on a few lbs. Common sense, but common sense I had to learn rather than just intuit, like she did.
Other ways people place restrictions that prevent them from overeating include some of the things I do (don't snack, cook most of my own foods most days), some things I don't do, but know others do (IF, limiting foods they are especially prone to overeating, cutting out major types of foods and therefore making the choices smaller or impulse eating less possible, focusing on bland foods, thinking of food as just fuel and not for fun, etc.). Counting calories is yet another. I'm sure there are more, I'm sure different things work for different people.
I think cultural restrictions on food (these are the foods we eat for this meal, this is how much and how often we eat) also can be helpful when they exist, they really don't in our culture now.
You have figured out a form of restriction, that's nice, many of us have found other ways to limit what we eat. Nor does this make obesity the result of some sort of disorder rather than normal humans acting normally. Not ideally for the situation, but normally.14 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »If over weight/obesity is not a metabolic disorder why are MD's telling people to lose weight? Are they all quacks now?
A metabolic disorder would mean that something isn't working right...ie you have something going on which is resulting in metabolic issues like hypo or hyperthyroidism...those are metabolic disorders.
Being overweight can be unhealthy and lead to any number of health issues and increase one's risk of health issues...but being overweight isn't a metabolic disorder...for most people it is a result of eating well beyond what is necessary, not something wrong with their metabolism.
Bingo. We become obese because something isn't working right so at least obesity is due to a metabolic disorder. I agree with that.
It amazes me that you can take a post that literally says being overweight is not a metabolic disorder, and somehow read it as saying the opposite.
For the most part, people become obese because they eat too much. That's it, end of story.Nony_Mouse wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »If over weight/obesity is not a metabolic disorder why are MD's telling people to lose weight? Are they all quacks now?
A metabolic disorder would mean that something isn't working right...ie you have something going on which is resulting in metabolic issues like hypo or hyperthyroidism...those are metabolic disorders.
Being overweight can be unhealthy and lead to any number of health issues and increase one's risk of health issues...but being overweight isn't a metabolic disorder...for most people it is a result of eating well beyond what is necessary, not something wrong with their metabolism.
Bingo. We become obese because something isn't working right so at least obesity is due to a metabolic disorder. I agree with that.
It amazes me that you can take a post that literally says being overweight is not a metabolic disorder, and somehow read it as saying the opposite.
For the most part, people become obese because they eat too much. That's it, end of story.
We are all able to understand the eating too much part. That fact however does not answer the question of WHY we eat too much. The HOW we become obese is known and the least common denominator of weight loss it to learn WHY.
Sure counting calories is a good stop gap measure while we answer the WHY question.
It was when I realized I was a carb addict that did not want to give up the addiction that the WHY of my obesity and health wreck became clear in my mind. Addictions I learned are not easy to address but at age 63 I knew my time to change may be too late but I gave it a shoot starting Oct 2014 and now over three years I am reaping the health benefits and have maintained a 50 pound loss for nearly three years by just cutting out processed foods that resolved my processed carb cravings.
Everyone that is obese has a major WHY to answer. I did not have to learn what lead to my carb addiction forming sometime in the past. I just had to stop feeding the addiction Oct 2014 when I realized I was an addict. Staying out of my coffin as long as possible was my driving force. I decided to go for Life over a certain premature Death.
For 40 years of yo-yoing diets I knew HOW I kept having 100%+ regains after each weight loss. Long term success came only after I understood Why I had 100%+ regains for the past 40 years.
Most 8 year old kids understand CICO. Being slow I guess I was 63 and dying before I understood Why I was gorging out of control. Yes I got lucky because just cutting out processed foods contain sugar and any form of any grain fixed my over eating disorder.
Best of success to each in answerer his or her WHY do I overeat question.
Ok, you are conflating a couple things here, the weight controls vice understanding root causes, self-knowledge if you will, about why one becomes obese in the first place and tends to return to that state after the diet is done. I'm going to agree that it will help, but the key point isn't the journey to self-discovery but rather the behavioural change. We've already done this in psychology and we know that behaviours require behavioural changes independent of understanding, or believing we understand, the underlying cause. I can understand all my triggers that cause me to overeat, and all the foods I love to eat but that doesn't lose a single pound until I find a way to change the behaviours of overeating. In fact, I don't even have to know the reasons why because they are probably just stories I'm telling myself anyway.
Bottom line, you only need to address the behaviours, not get into the existential, to affect weight loss and maintenance thereof. Irrespective of your own experience, which certainly colours your views, the vast majority of people only need to understand the mechanism of proper diet and exercise and don't need to worry about why daddy didn't love them.
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I am at the higher side of a healthy BMI, and yet, when I’ve refused junk, carefully portioned out food, talked about the struggles of eating healthy, or worked out I’ve had people tell me that I didn’t need to because I wasn’t fat or was already skinny. I feel bad for misunderstood Nicky who chooses moderation when it comes to food. Nicky might notice those Hershey kisses and very much want ALL of them but realize that it would not be a healthy choice to do that so instead Nicky takes one and has some water and walks around a bit. A lot of the time people that are “naturally skinny” make the hard choices a lot of the time.14
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kayla25mfp wrote: »I am at the higher side of a healthy BMI, and yet, when I’ve refused junk, carefully portioned out food, talked about the struggles of eating healthy, or worked out I’ve had people tell me that I didn’t need to because I wasn’t fat or was already skinny. I feel bad for misunderstood Nicky who chooses moderation when it comes to food. Nicky might notice those Hershey kisses and very much want ALL of them but realize that it would not be a healthy choice to do that so instead Nicky takes one and has some water and walks around a bit. A lot of the time people that are “naturally skinny” make the hard choices a lot of the time.
It doesn't help that practically everyone has forgotten what skinny actually looks like these days. I have a BMI of 22 with ~10% body fat and people tell me all the time how skinny I am. Droid, I am smack-dab in the middle of the healthy weight range.6 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »If over weight/obesity is not a metabolic disorder why are MD's telling people to lose weight? Are they all quacks now?
A metabolic disorder would mean that something isn't working right...ie you have something going on which is resulting in metabolic issues like hypo or hyperthyroidism...those are metabolic disorders.
Being overweight can be unhealthy and lead to any number of health issues and increase one's risk of health issues...but being overweight isn't a metabolic disorder...for most people it is a result of eating well beyond what is necessary, not something wrong with their metabolism.
Bingo. We become obese because something isn't working right so at least obesity is due to a metabolic disorder. I agree with that.
It amazes me that you can take a post that literally says being overweight is not a metabolic disorder, and somehow read it as saying the opposite.
For the most part, people become obese because they eat too much. That's it, end of story.Nony_Mouse wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »If over weight/obesity is not a metabolic disorder why are MD's telling people to lose weight? Are they all quacks now?
A metabolic disorder would mean that something isn't working right...ie you have something going on which is resulting in metabolic issues like hypo or hyperthyroidism...those are metabolic disorders.
Being overweight can be unhealthy and lead to any number of health issues and increase one's risk of health issues...but being overweight isn't a metabolic disorder...for most people it is a result of eating well beyond what is necessary, not something wrong with their metabolism.
Bingo. We become obese because something isn't working right so at least obesity is due to a metabolic disorder. I agree with that.
It amazes me that you can take a post that literally says being overweight is not a metabolic disorder, and somehow read it as saying the opposite.
For the most part, people become obese because they eat too much. That's it, end of story.
We are all able to understand the eating too much part. That fact however does not answer the question of WHY we eat too much. The HOW we become obese is known and the least common denominator of weight loss it to learn WHY.
Sure counting calories is a good stop gap measure while we answer the WHY question.
It was when I realized I was a carb addict that did not want to give up the addiction that the WHY of my obesity and health wreck became clear in my mind. Addictions I learned are not easy to address but at age 63 I knew my time to change may be too late but I gave it a shoot starting Oct 2014 and now over three years I am reaping the health benefits and have maintained a 50 pound loss for nearly three years by just cutting out processed foods that resolved my processed carb cravings.
Everyone that is obese has a major WHY to answer. I did not have to learn what lead to my carb addiction forming sometime in the past. I just had to stop feeding the addiction Oct 2014 when I realized I was an addict. Staying out of my coffin as long as possible was my driving force. I decided to go for Life over a certain premature Death.
For 40 years of yo-yoing diets I knew HOW I kept having 100%+ regains after each weight loss. Long term success came only after I understood Why I had 100%+ regains for the past 40 years.
Most 8 year old kids understand CICO. Being slow I guess I was 63 and dying before I understood Why I was gorging out of control. Yes I got lucky because just cutting out processed foods contain sugar and any form of any grain fixed my over eating disorder.
Best of success to each in answerer his or her WHY do I overeat question.
Ok, you are conflating a couple things here, the weight controls vice understanding root causes, self-knowledge if you will, about why one becomes obese in the first place and tends to return to that state after the diet is done. I'm going to agree that it will help, but the key point isn't the journey to self-discovery but rather the behavioural change. We've already done this in psychology and we know that behaviours require behavioural changes independent of understanding, or believing we understand, the underlying cause. I can understand all my triggers that cause me to overeat, and all the foods I love to eat but that doesn't lose a single pound until I find a way to change the behaviours of overeating. In fact, I don't even have to know the reasons why because they are probably just stories I'm telling myself anyway.
Bottom line, you only need to address the behaviours, not get into the existential, to affect weight loss and maintenance thereof. Irrespective of your own experience, which certainly colours your views, the vast majority of people only need to understand the mechanism of proper diet and exercise and don't need to worry about why daddy didn't love them.
Since you posted the same thoughts as I posted above I assume we are in agreement?
Some that have a slow leaking car tire go the band aid route and add some air daily. Others find the cause of the leak and address it and move on with life.
I find thinking about what food I am going to eat and how much of it I am going to eat as a form of bondage that gets in the way of longevity plans. Eating all that I want when I want it is my view of food freedom. Yes I did have to decide one time to address the cause of my overeating.
To cut out highly processed foods containing sugar and all forms of all grains came in the way of a hunch so I can not personally claim I fixed my overeating issue on my own. I just acted on this hunch that came to me. Actually the hunch was if I wanted to avoid starting Enbrel injections for pain management then to just act on the hunch. Weight control was not even part of the hunch. I am thankful my mind came up with the solution that worked to start improving my health/health markers.
What thin people people do not get about dieting is not a concern of mine because I gave up dieting as of Oct 2014 for life but I do try to walk at least a quarter of a mile daily but due to the continuing ice and snow I have been off track on walking. As you understand by now when I stopped dieting I also stopped thinking exercise was not the best for long term weight. At my age I understand my ability to exercise may become less and less over the next 40-50 years. I am pro exercise for health reasons but just not to lose excess weight because it is just a band aid for true overeating issues. Controlling CI in a more automated fashion is possible in my view and personal experience. Controlling CO can be more of a roll of the dice.
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brendanwhite84 wrote: »kayla25mfp wrote: »I am at the higher side of a healthy BMI, and yet, when I’ve refused junk, carefully portioned out food, talked about the struggles of eating healthy, or worked out I’ve had people tell me that I didn’t need to because I wasn’t fat or was already skinny. I feel bad for misunderstood Nicky who chooses moderation when it comes to food. Nicky might notice those Hershey kisses and very much want ALL of them but realize that it would not be a healthy choice to do that so instead Nicky takes one and has some water and walks around a bit. A lot of the time people that are “naturally skinny” make the hard choices a lot of the time.
It doesn't help that practically everyone has forgotten what skinny actually looks like these days. I have a BMI of 22 with ~10% body fat and people tell me all the time how skinny I am. Droid, I am smack-dab in the middle of the healthy weight range.
I think you might be right, I did a tour of Bosnia years ago and there was no fast food there and people were thin. A typical woman would be around 5'6" 115lbs and a typical man about 5'9" a 155lbs I would hazard to guess. When I came back to Canada I was struck by the difference right away.4 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »If over weight/obesity is not a metabolic disorder why are MD's telling people to lose weight? Are they all quacks now?
A metabolic disorder would mean that something isn't working right...ie you have something going on which is resulting in metabolic issues like hypo or hyperthyroidism...those are metabolic disorders.
Being overweight can be unhealthy and lead to any number of health issues and increase one's risk of health issues...but being overweight isn't a metabolic disorder...for most people it is a result of eating well beyond what is necessary, not something wrong with their metabolism.
Bingo. We become obese because something isn't working right so at least obesity is due to a metabolic disorder. I agree with that.
It amazes me that you can take a post that literally says being overweight is not a metabolic disorder, and somehow read it as saying the opposite.
For the most part, people become obese because they eat too much. That's it, end of story.Nony_Mouse wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »If over weight/obesity is not a metabolic disorder why are MD's telling people to lose weight? Are they all quacks now?
A metabolic disorder would mean that something isn't working right...ie you have something going on which is resulting in metabolic issues like hypo or hyperthyroidism...those are metabolic disorders.
Being overweight can be unhealthy and lead to any number of health issues and increase one's risk of health issues...but being overweight isn't a metabolic disorder...for most people it is a result of eating well beyond what is necessary, not something wrong with their metabolism.
Bingo. We become obese because something isn't working right so at least obesity is due to a metabolic disorder. I agree with that.
It amazes me that you can take a post that literally says being overweight is not a metabolic disorder, and somehow read it as saying the opposite.
For the most part, people become obese because they eat too much. That's it, end of story.
We are all able to understand the eating too much part. That fact however does not answer the question of WHY we eat too much. The HOW we become obese is known and the least common denominator of weight loss it to learn WHY.
Sure counting calories is a good stop gap measure while we answer the WHY question.
It was when I realized I was a carb addict that did not want to give up the addiction that the WHY of my obesity and health wreck became clear in my mind. Addictions I learned are not easy to address but at age 63 I knew my time to change may be too late but I gave it a shoot starting Oct 2014 and now over three years I am reaping the health benefits and have maintained a 50 pound loss for nearly three years by just cutting out processed foods that resolved my processed carb cravings.
Everyone that is obese has a major WHY to answer. I did not have to learn what lead to my carb addiction forming sometime in the past. I just had to stop feeding the addiction Oct 2014 when I realized I was an addict. Staying out of my coffin as long as possible was my driving force. I decided to go for Life over a certain premature Death.
For 40 years of yo-yoing diets I knew HOW I kept having 100%+ regains after each weight loss. Long term success came only after I understood Why I had 100%+ regains for the past 40 years.
Most 8 year old kids understand CICO. Being slow I guess I was 63 and dying before I understood Why I was gorging out of control. Yes I got lucky because just cutting out processed foods contain sugar and any form of any grain fixed my over eating disorder.
Best of success to each in answerer his or her WHY do I overeat question.
Ok, you are conflating a couple things here, the weight controls vice understanding root causes, self-knowledge if you will, about why one becomes obese in the first place and tends to return to that state after the diet is done. I'm going to agree that it will help, but the key point isn't the journey to self-discovery but rather the behavioural change. We've already done this in psychology and we know that behaviours require behavioural changes independent of understanding, or believing we understand, the underlying cause. I can understand all my triggers that cause me to overeat, and all the foods I love to eat but that doesn't lose a single pound until I find a way to change the behaviours of overeating. In fact, I don't even have to know the reasons why because they are probably just stories I'm telling myself anyway.
Bottom line, you only need to address the behaviours, not get into the existential, to affect weight loss and maintenance thereof. Irrespective of your own experience, which certainly colours your views, the vast majority of people only need to understand the mechanism of proper diet and exercise and don't need to worry about why daddy didn't love them.
Since you posted the same thoughts as I posted above I assume we are in agreement?
Some that have a slow leaking car tire go the band aid route and add some air daily. Others find the cause of the leak and address it and move on with life.
I find thinking about what food I am going to eat and how much of it I am going to eat as a form of bondage that gets in the way of longevity plans. Eating all that I want when I want it is my view of food freedom. Yes I did have to decide one time to address the cause of my overeating.
To cut out highly processed foods containing sugar and all forms of all grains came in the way of a hunch so I can not personally claim I fixed my overeating issue on my own. I just acted on this hunch that came to me. Actually the hunch was if I wanted to avoid starting Enbrel injections for pain management then to just act on the hunch. Weight control was not even part of the hunch. I am thankful my mind came up with the solution that worked to start improving my health/health markers.
What thin people people do not get about dieting is not a concern of mine because I gave up dieting as of Oct 2014 for life but I do try to walk at least a quarter of a mile daily but due to the continuing ice and snow I have been off track on walking. As you understand by now when I stopped dieting I also stopped thinking exercise was not the best for long term weight. At my age I understand my ability to exercise may become less and less over the next 40-50 years. I am pro exercise for health reasons but just not to lose excess weight because it is just a band aid for true overeating issues. Controlling CI in a more automated fashion is possible in my view and personal experience. Controlling CO can be more of a roll of the dice.
We are in agreement for the most part on this point, yes. However, I just don't believe that most people require any special knowledge of their underlying reasons, although it could help in some situations. Your case is somewhat different, as well, due to your underlying medical condition.
In the end, education is always the best thing but behavioural change is the most immediate for most.3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-thin-people-dieting-weight-food-resolutions-0101-20171227-story.html
I am not sure what made me more mad when I saw this commentary piece in the Chicago Tribune this morning....
The statement that "cutting calories alone doesn't lead to long-term weight loss".
The myth that there are "naturally thin" people who just have good genetics and high metabolism.
Or, the conclusion that if you are overweight, you do not have any chance of losing weight long term so you shouldn't even try.
So angry right now....
I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this dreary op-ed article.
Not sure there are 'skinny' genes but it is true in a functional sense that cutting calories does not lead to long term weight loss for most people that I have ever known including myself.
Finally at the age of 63 I decided to NEVER go on another diet to lose weight just to have another 100%+ regain. Now turning 67 I have lost 50 pounds and maintained that loss for over two and half years by changing the kind of calories that I eat.
Cutting calories can be a short term fix in an emergency but it is not likely to fix the cause of the wrong way of thinking, eating and moving that lead to the need to go on a "diet" in the first place.
For over three years now I have eaten only to improve my health and health markers. When I did that the weight started to normalize (decrease) after the first 45 days without any dieting effort yet staying stuffed most of the time.
Thinking about losing weight seems to be a good way to gain weight for many people it seems perhaps.
And do you know why your weight decreased? Because you were taking in less calories than you were burning. Whether you viewed what you were doing as cutting calories or not, that is exactly what you were doing if you lost weight. I'm sure you will spout all sorts of nonsense to try to explain otherwise, because that is what you do best around here, but the simple fact is your weight is directly affected by CICO.
Do you know why I was taking in less calories when starting Oct 2014 (and still continue to eat that way today) cold turkey I cut add sugars and all forms of all grains that over time has resolved my binging, pain, IBS, limited health in general, etc?
Did I know going LCHF Oct 2014 would functionally give me hope for a future? NO I did not but I was willing to try anything to avoid the medical side effects of starting on Enbrel injections Nov 2014. I did not even know what I was doing but just acting to a hunch that cutting out the sugar and grain that I might be able to dodge the Enbrel bullet coming my way. I added about a 1000 calories daily at the same time from coconut products trying to prevent Alzheimer's.
That is how out of ignorance I accidently started the LCHF WOE. As noted before I had to leave sugar and grains cold turkey after trying to taper off of them for 60 days and failing. I learned I was a carb addict then I realized I was going to have to stop eat food containing added sugar and any form of any grain instead of just reducing these highly processed carb food sources.
As I have stated for years how one eats is their own business and how I eat is my business. At the age of 63 I willfully decided to eat for longer life instead of eating for a premature death.
Yep, there's the long, drawn out, nonsense explanation I was expecting and forgive me, but I am having trouble following. You say you were taking in less calories, but then say you added about 1000 calories a day at the same time. So which is it? Were you taking in less calories or more? Were the 1000 calories of coconut products included in your daily total which was less than before? If so, then it I have some news for you: it wasn't the fact that you were taking coconut products that helped you lose weight, it is the fact that you were taking in less calories overall. You could have been ingesting 1000 calories of pure sugar instead of coconut, and as long as your CI were less than your CO you would lose weight. You found something that worked for you which is great, but it blows my mind how you still try to argue that your weight loss was somehow not attributed to a caloric deficit. The fact of the matter is, what worked for you was eating at a deficit, and just because you don't view it that way, it doesn't make it any less true.
CICO will never medically explain why some people overeat.
Medicine will never explain why some people overeat.
You're asking the wrong questions.
CICO does not address the why.9 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-thin-people-dieting-weight-food-resolutions-0101-20171227-story.html
I am not sure what made me more mad when I saw this commentary piece in the Chicago Tribune this morning....
The statement that "cutting calories alone doesn't lead to long-term weight loss".
The myth that there are "naturally thin" people who just have good genetics and high metabolism.
Or, the conclusion that if you are overweight, you do not have any chance of losing weight long term so you shouldn't even try.
So angry right now....
I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this dreary op-ed article.
Not sure there are 'skinny' genes but it is true in a functional sense that cutting calories does not lead to long term weight loss for most people that I have ever known including myself.
Finally at the age of 63 I decided to NEVER go on another diet to lose weight just to have another 100%+ regain. Now turning 67 I have lost 50 pounds and maintained that loss for over two and half years by changing the kind of calories that I eat.
Cutting calories can be a short term fix in an emergency but it is not likely to fix the cause of the wrong way of thinking, eating and moving that lead to the need to go on a "diet" in the first place.
For over three years now I have eaten only to improve my health and health markers. When I did that the weight started to normalize (decrease) after the first 45 days without any dieting effort yet staying stuffed most of the time.
Thinking about losing weight seems to be a good way to gain weight for many people it seems perhaps.
And do you know why your weight decreased? Because you were taking in less calories than you were burning. Whether you viewed what you were doing as cutting calories or not, that is exactly what you were doing if you lost weight. I'm sure you will spout all sorts of nonsense to try to explain otherwise, because that is what you do best around here, but the simple fact is your weight is directly affected by CICO.
Do you know why I was taking in less calories when starting Oct 2014 (and still continue to eat that way today) cold turkey I cut add sugars and all forms of all grains that over time has resolved my binging, pain, IBS, limited health in general, etc?
Did I know going LCHF Oct 2014 would functionally give me hope for a future? NO I did not but I was willing to try anything to avoid the medical side effects of starting on Enbrel injections Nov 2014. I did not even know what I was doing but just acting to a hunch that cutting out the sugar and grain that I might be able to dodge the Enbrel bullet coming my way. I added about a 1000 calories daily at the same time from coconut products trying to prevent Alzheimer's.
That is how out of ignorance I accidently started the LCHF WOE. As noted before I had to leave sugar and grains cold turkey after trying to taper off of them for 60 days and failing. I learned I was a carb addict then I realized I was going to have to stop eat food containing added sugar and any form of any grain instead of just reducing these highly processed carb food sources.
As I have stated for years how one eats is their own business and how I eat is my business. At the age of 63 I willfully decided to eat for longer life instead of eating for a premature death.
Yep, there's the long, drawn out, nonsense explanation I was expecting and forgive me, but I am having trouble following. You say you were taking in less calories, but then say you added about 1000 calories a day at the same time. So which is it? Were you taking in less calories or more? Were the 1000 calories of coconut products included in your daily total which was less than before? If so, then it I have some news for you: it wasn't the fact that you were taking coconut products that helped you lose weight, it is the fact that you were taking in less calories overall. You could have been ingesting 1000 calories of pure sugar instead of coconut, and as long as your CI were less than your CO you would lose weight. You found something that worked for you which is great, but it blows my mind how you still try to argue that your weight loss was somehow not attributed to a caloric deficit. The fact of the matter is, what worked for you was eating at a deficit, and just because you don't view it that way, it doesn't make it any less true.
CICO will never medically explain why some people overeat.
No, but it will explain why they gain/lose weight. Lack of willpower and CICO are 2 completely different things.
Would you agree 100% of people who legally log into these MFP forums already know it is calories or lack of calories from the food they eat that causes them to gain/lose weight?
People need to know WHY they under/over eat and it has nothing to do with willpower long term. People that use willpower to lose weight are called yo-yo dieters.
Are we really back to the 'everyone who is overweight has a physical or mental disorder' argument?
No. It is a metabolic disorder medically speaking.
No it clearly is not.
I'm beginning to suspect your credentials, despite repeated claims of a terminal degree.6 -
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