Carb "Addiction"
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ilikeitalatte wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »Eat through the cravings with no/low carb foods - meat, eggs and the like are good. Give yourself a few weeks to adjust and not worry about calories. Once you get over the hurdle of the first few weeks your appetite/cravings will calm down and you should be good to go.
After that point, if you experience carb cravings or feel unreasonably cold those are signs you're not eating enough calories even if you don't feel particularly hungry. Good luck and if you haven't yet, join the Low Carbers Daily group - lots of info to be found there.
The OP would do this to what end? If there is not metabolic advantage, it is not their preferred was to eat and there is not health condition that requires it, what is the gain to be had?
If you believe there is a metabolic advantage, please post the peer reviewed studies that indicate it.
So, you don't think that a ketogenic diet (not just "low carb") has any metabolic advange over just a well-balanced, carby diet?
There are so many baseless claims regarding named diets. Keto is no exception (sorry). Great sales pitches with little or no data to back them up.
But unless you have medical issues re: carbs, unless low carb is going to be true lifestyle change (as in forever)......I don't see the advantage. Diet one way to lose weight, only to have to figure out what maintenance will be. I need portion control for all foods...not just low carb ones.9 -
No one macro is inherently fattening. Carbs are not making you fat; a caloric surplus is. Eat the damn bread and fit it in your requirements.11
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AlabasterVerve wrote: »Eat through the cravings with no/low carb foods - meat, eggs and the like are good. Give yourself a few weeks to adjust and not worry about calories. Once you get over the hurdle of the first few weeks your appetite/cravings will calm down and you should be good to go.
After that point, if you experience carb cravings or feel unreasonably cold those are signs you're not eating enough calories even if you don't feel particularly hungry. Good luck and if you haven't yet, join the Low Carbers Daily group - lots of info to be found there.
The OP would do this to what end? If there is not metabolic advantage, it is not their preferred was to eat and there is not health condition that requires it, what is the gain to be had?
If you believe there is a metabolic advantage, please post the peer reviewed studies that indicate it.
I do not know why the OP opted to try a low carb diet after being a member here for six years, I just answered the question.
I know many lack the imagination/empathy needed to understand how someone could possibly choose to eat (and maintain) a low carb diet even without a "metabolic advantage", even though they enjoy carb heavy foods and even though they don't have a medical condition. And yet it happens. Go figure.
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Just sharing my experience and opinions, because everyone is different. So..If you have a need to take most carbs out of your diet, you probably will have to go completely keto to reduce and/or eliminate the cravings. I went from eating what I wanted/craved all day to one meal a day, without any cravings. Having carb foods you enjoy once in a while won't do you that much better than just eating what you want and fitting it into your calorie goals. Eat how you want to eat the rest of your life. If you are just someone lowering carbs as a fad, then keto isn't for you.3
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »If you want to reduce the number of carbs you eat, do it slowly rather then all at once. That way your body will have time to adjust.
But, as noted in a few posts above, you don't have to eat low carb to lose weight. You just need to create a calorie deficit. I lost 36 lbs and have maintained that loss for 2 years while eating fairly high carb.
This is good advice.
If you are concerned about carbs because you tend to go over calories, just limit portions. Make sure your meals include a good source of protein and some fat (cook with olive oil, for example), definitely include some non starchy vegetables (which are mostly carbs too), and then use the calories you have left for a serving of pasta or potatoes or rice, etc.
I ate potatoes in particular quite often when I was losing.5 -
ilikeitalatte wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »Eat through the cravings with no/low carb foods - meat, eggs and the like are good. Give yourself a few weeks to adjust and not worry about calories. Once you get over the hurdle of the first few weeks your appetite/cravings will calm down and you should be good to go.
After that point, if you experience carb cravings or feel unreasonably cold those are signs you're not eating enough calories even if you don't feel particularly hungry. Good luck and if you haven't yet, join the Low Carbers Daily group - lots of info to be found there.
The OP would do this to what end? If there is not metabolic advantage, it is not their preferred was to eat and there is not health condition that requires it, what is the gain to be had?
If you believe there is a metabolic advantage, please post the peer reviewed studies that indicate it.
So, you don't think that a ketogenic diet (not just "low carb") has any metabolic advange over just a well-balanced, carby diet?
I don't. The studies demonstrate there aren't, and my own experience with keto -- which I found not an unpleasant experience, for me, but not how I want to eat going forward -- was that there did not seem to be.
I think there are good reasons some might prefer eating a low carb (or even keto) diet, but OP has not identified any. (For what it's worth, the advice about limiting portions of carbs would still apply, it's just the portions might get vanishingly small, depending on how low he goes.)11 -
ilikeitalatte wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »Eat through the cravings with no/low carb foods - meat, eggs and the like are good. Give yourself a few weeks to adjust and not worry about calories. Once you get over the hurdle of the first few weeks your appetite/cravings will calm down and you should be good to go.
After that point, if you experience carb cravings or feel unreasonably cold those are signs you're not eating enough calories even if you don't feel particularly hungry. Good luck and if you haven't yet, join the Low Carbers Daily group - lots of info to be found there.
The OP would do this to what end? If there is not metabolic advantage, it is not their preferred was to eat and there is not health condition that requires it, what is the gain to be had?
If you believe there is a metabolic advantage, please post the peer reviewed studies that indicate it.
So, you don't think that a ketogenic diet (not just "low carb") has any metabolic advange over just a well-balanced, carby diet?
There has not been a single study that I've seen where calories and protein were held constant that show a metabolic advantage. There can be a useful application for those with insulin resistance and if one can't control carb cravings then possibly. But for fat loss? No.
And I have looked and debated this topic for over 5 years. If you have something, please share it.
PS: I see the pro keto crowd knows where the woo button is. Do they know where the scientific studies are??20 -
There has not been a single study that I've seen where calories and protein were held constant that show a metabolic advantage. And I have looked and debated this topic for over 5 years. If you have something, please share it.
PS: I see the pro keto crowd knows where the woo button is. Do they know where the scientific studies are??
Definitely snorted at this. A literal laugh out load.
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AlabasterVerve wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »Eat through the cravings with no/low carb foods - meat, eggs and the like are good. Give yourself a few weeks to adjust and not worry about calories. Once you get over the hurdle of the first few weeks your appetite/cravings will calm down and you should be good to go.
After that point, if you experience carb cravings or feel unreasonably cold those are signs you're not eating enough calories even if you don't feel particularly hungry. Good luck and if you haven't yet, join the Low Carbers Daily group - lots of info to be found there.
The OP would do this to what end? If there is not metabolic advantage, it is not their preferred was to eat and there is not health condition that requires it, what is the gain to be had?
If you believe there is a metabolic advantage, please post the peer reviewed studies that indicate it.
I do not know why the OP opted to try a low carb diet after being a member here for six years, I just answered the question.
I know many lack the imagination/empathy needed to understand how someone could possibly choose to eat (and maintain) a low carb diet even without a "metabolic advantage", even though they enjoy carb heavy foods and even though they don't have a medical condition. And yet it happens. Go figure.
Who knows why they tried it. Read one too many woo blogs maybe? But if they struggle with it and it has no advantage, why would someone do it? You didn't really answer that question. You just basically suggested they just push on through. Again, to what end if it is a struggle and there is no metabolic advantage?4 -
NextRightThing714 wrote: »There has not been a single study that I've seen where calories and protein were held constant that show a metabolic advantage. And I have looked and debated this topic for over 5 years. If you have something, please share it.
PS: I see the pro keto crowd knows where the woo button is. Do they know where the scientific studies are??
Definitely snorted at this. A literal laugh out load.
Glad I could brighten your day a little!
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ilikeitalatte wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »Eat through the cravings with no/low carb foods - meat, eggs and the like are good. Give yourself a few weeks to adjust and not worry about calories. Once you get over the hurdle of the first few weeks your appetite/cravings will calm down and you should be good to go.
After that point, if you experience carb cravings or feel unreasonably cold those are signs you're not eating enough calories even if you don't feel particularly hungry. Good luck and if you haven't yet, join the Low Carbers Daily group - lots of info to be found there.
The OP would do this to what end? If there is not metabolic advantage, it is not their preferred was to eat and there is not health condition that requires it, what is the gain to be had?
If you believe there is a metabolic advantage, please post the peer reviewed studies that indicate it.
So, you don't think that a ketogenic diet (not just "low carb") has any metabolic advange over just a well-balanced, carby diet?
There has not been a single study that I've seen where calories and protein were held constant that show a metabolic advantage. There can be a useful application for those with insulin resistance and if one can't control carb cravings then possibly. But for fat loss? No.
And I have looked and debated this topic for over 5 years. If you have something, please share it.
PS: I see the pro keto crowd knows where the woo button is. Do they know where the scientific studies are??
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There has not been a single study that I've seen where calories and protein were held constant that show a metabolic advantage. And I have looked and debated this topic for over 5 years. If you have something, please share it.
PS: I see the pro keto crowd knows where the woo button is. Do they know where the scientific studies are??
Love it.
You may want to trademark this line, I think it's going to get used a lot.4 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »ilikeitalatte wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »Eat through the cravings with no/low carb foods - meat, eggs and the like are good. Give yourself a few weeks to adjust and not worry about calories. Once you get over the hurdle of the first few weeks your appetite/cravings will calm down and you should be good to go.
After that point, if you experience carb cravings or feel unreasonably cold those are signs you're not eating enough calories even if you don't feel particularly hungry. Good luck and if you haven't yet, join the Low Carbers Daily group - lots of info to be found there.
The OP would do this to what end? If there is not metabolic advantage, it is not their preferred was to eat and there is not health condition that requires it, what is the gain to be had?
If you believe there is a metabolic advantage, please post the peer reviewed studies that indicate it.
So, you don't think that a ketogenic diet (not just "low carb") has any metabolic advange over just a well-balanced, carby diet?
There has not been a single study that I've seen where calories and protein were held constant that show a metabolic advantage. There can be a useful application for those with insulin resistance and if one can't control carb cravings then possibly. But for fat loss? No.
And I have looked and debated this topic for over 5 years. If you have something, please share it.
PS: I see the pro keto crowd knows where the woo button is. Do they know where the scientific studies are??
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ilikeitalatte wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »Eat through the cravings with no/low carb foods - meat, eggs and the like are good. Give yourself a few weeks to adjust and not worry about calories. Once you get over the hurdle of the first few weeks your appetite/cravings will calm down and you should be good to go.
After that point, if you experience carb cravings or feel unreasonably cold those are signs you're not eating enough calories even if you don't feel particularly hungry. Good luck and if you haven't yet, join the Low Carbers Daily group - lots of info to be found there.
The OP would do this to what end? If there is not metabolic advantage, it is not their preferred was to eat and there is not health condition that requires it, what is the gain to be had?
If you believe there is a metabolic advantage, please post the peer reviewed studies that indicate it.
So, you don't think that a ketogenic diet (not just "low carb") has any metabolic advange over just a well-balanced, carby diet?
There has not been a single study that I've seen where calories and protein were held constant that show a metabolic advantage. There can be a useful application for those with insulin resistance and if one can't control carb cravings then possibly. But for fat loss? No.
And I have looked and debated this topic for over 5 years. If you have something, please share it.
PS: I see the pro keto crowd knows where the woo button is. Do they know where the scientific studies are??
Well said, agree with above. Maybe these scientific studies will help them, for starters:
Research review: No metabolic advantage to a ketogenic diet:
https://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/ketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-have-no-metabolic-advantage-over-nonketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-research-review.html
Review of the Hall Study - no metabolic advantage to a ketogenic diet, fat loss greater on non-keto diet:
https://shreddedbyscience.com/ketogenic-diets-actually-work-study-review/
Study: No metabolic advantage, protein intake a more important factor than carb intake:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22935440/
[ETA:] Here's a meta-analysis which compared weight loss between low and high carbohydrate diets in 7,286 individuals and found no significant difference between the diets in weight lost over 12 months: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/1900510?utm_source=Silverchair Information Systems&utm_medium=email
The researchers concluded that: “significant weight loss was observed with any low-carbohydrate or low-fat diet. Weight loss differences between individual named diets were small. This supports the practice of recommending any diet that a patient will adhere to in order to lose weight.”
Disclosure: The link to the study above came from a research review which debunks Fung's pseudoscientific drivel. It can be found here: https://myoleanfitness.com/evidence-caloric-restriction/5 -
fitoverfortymom wrote: »Work those food items into your calories? You can eat bread to lose weight as long as you are in a calorie deficit.
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