"Help! I'm eating HEALTHY but not losing weight!"
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Can someone reply with their definition of clean eating?
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Sounds like the original post, at least the title may have been edited because I'm not seeing the hot button word "clean" in either the infographic or the OP's post/title. I also think, and I'm assuming here, that OP knows that "clean" is a subjective, mostly meaningless term and that's why the post was changed.
At any rate - I got the point and I think it's a helpful one to share - even if it is nothing new. People may believe that the type of foods they are eating guarantees weight loss - but at the end of the day - if too many calories are consumed, they will not lose.
Looking forward to seeing where this thread goes - it is a Friday after all!4 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »
You don't think a person new to weight loss would look at the above food items and consider them fairly healthy? Especially if they're coming from a formerly junk food predominant diet?
You said clean.
Clean, healthy, tomato, tomato (pronounce them differently in your head...)
I apologize for not using the proper nomenclature.
I hope the message and intent of the image is clear enough for newbies to understand!
Tough crowd today.
Eating clean is not the same as eating healthy. They are completely different!
Anywho...if that was a regular diet, I wouldn't consider it particularly healthy or clean.
I think the image is fairly tongue-in-cheek. I've seen it on the forum a million times. Tons of new people think flavored yogurt is healthy, whole wheat is inherently healthier than white, sugary protein/granola bars are healthy, etc. All those dieting myths. The image is meant to portray a new person who has fallen for the myths of what is considered "clean/healthy" eating and is baffled by their lack of weight loss. Hope that clears it up.
I don't see anything in the list that is not healthy. But as noted above clean and healthy aren't the same things.
That actually is why I think focusing on overall diet is more significant than individual food items. I'm sure people might think they were eating well because each food item was "healthy" in their minds, but really there's not very many vegetables, it probably doesn't even meet the low US recommendation. So to me that wouldn't be a particularly healthful diet if that day reflected most days.
(If it was just one day of a week and the others had more veg, of course, fine.)
I do agree that the post usefully makes the point that you can pick only things you consider healthy and still exceed calories and even gain.0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Sounds like the original post, at least the title may have been edited because I'm not seeing the hot button word "clean" in either the infographic or the OP's post/title. I also think, and I'm assuming here, that OP knows that "clean" is a subjective, mostly meaningless term and that's why the post was changed.
At any rate - I got the point and I think it's a helpful one to share - even if it is nothing new. People may believe that the type of foods they are eating guarantees weight loss - but at the end of the day - if too many calories are consumed, they will not lose.
Looking forward to seeing where this thread goes - it is a Friday after all!
Yes, I originally used the word "clean" instead of "healthy" in my post title. To avoid further arguing, I changed it. Happy Friday!9 -
Can someone reply with their definition of clean eating?
It means something different to almost everyone who tries to practice it which is why it is an unhelpful term to describe the way one eats - and why it gets so much discussion on these boards.
@diannethegeek had a great list of all the different ways to define it - oh, here it is.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10337480/what-is-clean-eating/p1
As you can see, that's hardly a helpful way to talk about one's diet (noun).
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Great post Toxicon!
I am going through the same thing with my father in law. I am not sure what all foods he has even cut out, but it includes filthy dirty bread and grains, dairy, sugar, and now filthy dirty beans, peanuts, tomatoes, peppers, eggplants, squashes, and whatever other evil "lectin" foods are out there (per flavor-of-the-month guru Gundry), and is frustrated because he can't lose. He was on estrogen therapy a few months ago, and that is really having an impact on his weight; it is surely very difficult for a former Marine and athletic star who has always been fit and muscular to deal with.
He was talking about how he was always having peanut butter every day and how the lectins were causing him not to lose weight through inflammation or some such. I asked him how much peanut butter he was eating: "just a little with my apple." I held up a tiny 2-ounce container (we were at Red Robin...not sure how that fits into the diet, but he gets the lettuce buns) and said, "this is 400 calories." You could see the surprise and the lightbulb going on, but he just dismissed it because he had thrown all his peanut butter away the previous day anyway.
I try to get him to calculate his calories (it would not be hard for him with his limited foods) but no, that is too hard, he could never do that. Better/easier to cut out entire families of foods including really important prebiotics like whole grains and legumes.
I don't argue with his too much about it, but it just makes me sad to see him cutting out things he enjoys and should have no issue eating. I told him once the weather got better and he was back out on the golf course, things would be getting better. He plays golf almost every day and walks the course.4 -
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French_Peasant wrote: »Great post Toxicon!
I am going through the same thing with my father in law. I am not sure what all foods he has even cut out, but it includes filthy dirty bread and grains, dairy, sugar, and now filthy dirty beans, peanuts, tomatoes, peppers, eggplants, squashes, and whatever other evil "lectin" foods are out there (per flavor-of-the-month guru Gundry), and is frustrated because he can't lose. He was on estrogen therapy a few months ago, and that is really having an impact on his weight; it is surely very difficult for a former Marine and athletic star who has always been fit and muscular to deal with.
He was talking about how he was always having peanut butter every day and how the lectins were causing him not to lose weight through inflammation or some such. I asked him how much peanut butter he was eating: "just a little with my apple." I held up a tiny 2-ounce container (we were at Red Robin...not sure how that fits into the diet, but he gets the lettuce buns) and said, "this is 400 calories." You could see the surprise and the lightbulb going on, but he just dismissed it because he had thrown all his peanut butter away the previous day anyway.
I try to get him to calculate his calories (it would not be hard for him with his limited foods) but no, that is too hard, he could never do that. Better/easier to cut out entire families of foods including really important prebiotics like whole grains and legumes.
I don't argue with his too much about it, but it just makes me sad to see him cutting out things he enjoys and should have no issue eating. I told him once the weather got better and he was back out on the golf course, things would be getting better. He plays golf almost every day and walks the course.
Yeah, a lot of my friends have fallen into this trap. It can be very hard to convince them to just count their damn calories. It's funny how our brains work like that. Restricting foods (or entire food groups) = perfectly reasonable! Counting calories = worst thing ever.2 -
Can someone reply with their definition of clean eating?
Here is 46 pages of clean eating definitions. ENJOY.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10337480/what-is-clean-eating/p1
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I think people think that if they hit on the right way of eating (or eliminate problem foods) that they will magically just only think about and want to eat the right amount of foods and not gain, or at least this will eventually happen, if they just do it right. There's this idea that it's not natural or normal to have to think about it, so they shouldn't have to.
And so, so many people say that if you just eat healthy the calories will be fine or that it's not possible to overeat "eating healthy" (or clean, but I won't go there, or WFPB or LCHF or paleo, so on). Personally, I'm confident I could manage to overeat without too much trouble on any diet. ;-)
I kind of have a love/hate thing with logging -- sometimes I really enjoy it, sometimes I hate it -- so I get it, but if I'm honest with myself being mindful about food isn't any more natural or "not having to think about it," but I think for many of us it is necessary in this food environment.
Hmm, I also think some find it more fun to be mindful about being on a special diet vs. mindful about portions or calories. I get that, I experience it to some extent, especially when there's novelty. But I suppose I'm digressing, since the first post isn't really about any special diet.4 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Can someone reply with their definition of clean eating?
It means something different to almost everyone who tries to practice it which is why it is an unhelpful term to describe the way one eats - and why it gets so much discussion on these boards.
@diannethegeek had a great list of all the different ways to define it - oh, here it is.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10337480/what-is-clean-eating/p1
As you can see, that's hardly a helpful way to talk about one's diet (noun).
The OP even counts by some of these definitions.1 -
I have this argument with DH all the time - "I don't eat any bad stuff - I don't need to count calories."
I grew up with a mom who is a registered dietitian, and I learned a lot of strategies for maintaining my weight by incorporating certain foods that would make me feel more full, but that did not necessarily cut calories (example, whole wheat bread is not less caloric, but it sure feels more substantial in my stomach!) People over the past three decades have mistaken the "healthy" alternatives as being "less caloric". I don't understand how that happened, but here we are.1 -
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This reminds me of a former coworker who would occasionally lament that she always ate healthy but couldn't lose weight because she had a "naturally slow metabolism". Now I don't know what she ate away from work, but the sorts of things she brought to work looked a lot like that list.1
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Holy cow, the first page of replies cracked me up. Y’all are y’all. Hugs all around.9
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I think people think that if they hit on the right way of eating (or eliminate problem foods) that they will magically just only think about and want to eat the right amount of foods and not gain, or at least this will eventually happen, if they just do it right. There's this idea that it's not natural or normal to have to think about it, so they shouldn't have to.
And so, so many people say that if you just eat healthy the calories will be fine or that it's not possible to overeat "eating healthy" (or clean, but I won't go there, or WFPB or LCHF or paleo, so on). Personally, I'm confident I could manage to overeat without too much trouble on any diet. ;-)
I kind of have a love/hate thing with logging -- sometimes I really enjoy it, sometimes I hate it -- so I get it, but if I'm honest with myself being mindful about food isn't any more natural or "not having to think about it," but I think for many of us it is necessary in this food environment.
Hmm, I also think some find it more fun to be mindful about being on a special diet vs. mindful about portions or calories. I get that, I experience it to some extent, especially when there's novelty. But I suppose I'm digressing, since the first post isn't really about any special diet.
Agreed...I eat a pretty stinkin' healthy, largely whole foods diet and I put on 10 Lbs this winter just like I do every winter...so yeah...those calories in my healthy, whole foods are still calories, and they count.4 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I think people think that if they hit on the right way of eating (or eliminate problem foods) that they will magically just only think about and want to eat the right amount of foods and not gain, or at least this will eventually happen, if they just do it right. There's this idea that it's not natural or normal to have to think about it, so they shouldn't have to.
And so, so many people say that if you just eat healthy the calories will be fine or that it's not possible to overeat "eating healthy" (or clean, but I won't go there, or WFPB or LCHF or paleo, so on). Personally, I'm confident I could manage to overeat without too much trouble on any diet. ;-)
I kind of have a love/hate thing with logging -- sometimes I really enjoy it, sometimes I hate it -- so I get it, but if I'm honest with myself being mindful about food isn't any more natural or "not having to think about it," but I think for many of us it is necessary in this food environment.
Hmm, I also think some find it more fun to be mindful about being on a special diet vs. mindful about portions or calories. I get that, I experience it to some extent, especially when there's novelty. But I suppose I'm digressing, since the first post isn't really about any special diet.
Agreed...I eat a pretty stinkin' healthy, largely whole foods diet and I put on 10 Lbs this winter just like I do every winter...so yeah...those calories in my healthy, whole foods are still calories, and they count.
Bears do it on berries and salmon, what's your method?
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
You could but it would be just as non-sensicle as any other one that could get posted.1 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
You could but it would be just as non-sensicle as any other one that could get posted.
You mean there are memes that make sense?
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"this year in going to lose weight by eating clean, no more junk like this!" <-- my office mate, as she throws out a box of 100 calorie Special K bars and replaces them with a big box of almonds. Now instead of the 1 Special K bat she has what I'd estimate to be 50 grams of almonds with her morning coffee, plus more nibbles of almonds during the day on top of her normal lunch.
I would say something, but what do I know, I'm 'skinny already'6 -
randomlyred wrote: »"this year in going to lose weight by eating clean, no more junk like this!" <-- my office mate, as she throws out a box of 100 calorie Special K bars and replaces them with a big box of almonds. Now instead of the 1 Special K bat she has what I'd estimate to be 50 grams of almonds with her morning coffee, plus more nibbles of almonds during the day on top of her normal lunch.
I would say something, but what do I know, I'm 'skinny already'
Did you get the Special K bars out of the trash?!
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Posting to add: The OP is spot on, in the core message (despite our quibbles over terminology ). It's the calories.
From reading truly mind-numbing numbers of posts around here, I'd guess that most would consider that example "eating healthy" or even "eating clean".
I'd consider it "eating healthy" (though I don't/wouldn't eat that menu, by preference). There's (IMO) a wide range of "eating healthy".
I wouldn't consider it "eating clean", because I wouldn't consider anything "eating clean": I consider the term so poorly defined as to be meaningless, so I don't use it.
Thanks Ann. It wouldn't be a Friday in the forums without quibbling over terminology.
Lol, ooooohhhhhh so terminology is a ‘thing’ in here???? Now I get it, Lol, I just got my first warning because I retaliated after someone was really sarcastic regarding terminology. I don’t see a need to be so literal, but whatever, Now I know...
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OMG I love this so much. I have so many members that get suckered by advertising and buzz words. They never check their calories. They add more exercise and think that if they add kale or chia seeds to their diet that they will lose weight. UGH.5
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