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CICO is overrated in my opinion
GlorianasTears
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CICO is important definitely but i think it shouldn't be a priority we want to LOSE FAT not just WEIGHT because weight includes those wonderful muscles you work so hard to build (and other stuff) . Also the human body is very intelligent if you eat low calorie for a long time like i did in the past you might come to find that your body adjust to your low calorie lifestyle and you lose weight but you look unhealthy . If you want to make your body let go of fat you have to be healthy , being malnourished is not healthy or pleasant. So please promote fat loss not weight loss .
Im not trying to rain on anyones parade but i just think that we should focus on health and nutrition more than obsessing over CICO. Have a nice day
Im not trying to rain on anyones parade but i just think that we should focus on health and nutrition more than obsessing over CICO. Have a nice day
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I don’t get it ??? Why is CICO overrated ... it’s the basic principle for fat loss. That fat isn’t going anywhere unless the body has need to burn it, and the only reason it has, is that it needs the energy from the stored fat ... and it’s only going to need that if you haven’t consumed enough calories continually to keep your body running without hitting the stores56
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I don’t get it ??? Why is CICO overrated ... it’s the basic principle for fat loss. That fat isn’t going anywhere unless the body has need to burn it, and the only reason it has, is that it needs the energy from the stored fat ... and it’s only going to need that if you haven’t consumed enough calories continually to keep your body running without hitting the stores
Thats the thing CICO done wrong can cause lots of muscle loss as well. I definitely support CICO but i feel that health and nutrition should be the main focus because its more important.50 -
I must be going nuts.... I could have sworn that 99.9999999% of posts I've seen regarding calories for weight loss also mentioned the importance of eating a nutritious diet for good health... As well as recommending slower rates of loss, adequate protein and resistance training to help maintain muscle...97
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GlorianasTears wrote: »CICO is important definitely but i think it shouldn't be a priority we want to LOSE FAT not just WEIGHT because weight includes those wonderful muscles you work so hard to build (and other stuff) . Also the human body is very intelligent if you eat low calorie for a long time like i did in the past you might come to find that your body adjust to your low calorie lifestyle and you lose weight but you look unhealthy . If you want to make your body let go of fat you have to be healthy , being malnourished is not healthy or pleasant. So please promote fat loss not weight loss .
Im not trying to rain on anyones parade but i just think that we should focus on health and nutrition more than obsessing over CICO. Have a nice day
to LOSE FAT you need a calorie deficit... so CICO has to be followed...
you can eat a nutritious diet and still be fat...65 -
TavistockToad wrote: »GlorianasTears wrote: »CICO is important definitely but i think it shouldn't be a priority we want to LOSE FAT not just WEIGHT because weight includes those wonderful muscles you work so hard to build (and other stuff) . Also the human body is very intelligent if you eat low calorie for a long time like i did in the past you might come to find that your body adjust to your low calorie lifestyle and you lose weight but you look unhealthy . If you want to make your body let go of fat you have to be healthy , being malnourished is not healthy or pleasant. So please promote fat loss not weight loss .
Im not trying to rain on anyones parade but i just think that we should focus on health and nutrition more than obsessing over CICO. Have a nice day
to LOSE FAT you need a calorie deficit... so CICO has to be followed...
you can eat a nutritious diet and still be fat...
*raises hand* I ate a nutritious diet and was fat... Now I eat a (mostly) nutritious diet within my calories limits and I'm losing weight. My blood work has never been better. Divorce from my liver is off the table. Blood glucose is firmly where it's supposed to be.
All thanks to following that totally overrated concept of CICO.
Pssst: I even eat chocolate every day and pizza on a weekly basis because I know it's not the what but the how much that matters for weight loss.55 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »I must be going nuts.... I could have sworn that 99.9999999% of posts I've seen regarding calories for weight loss also mentioned the importance of eating a nutritious diet for good health... As well as recommending slower rates of loss, adequate protein and resistance training to help maintain muscle...
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moosmum1972 wrote: »GlorianasTears wrote: »I don’t get it ??? Why is CICO overrated ... it’s the basic principle for fat loss. That fat isn’t going anywhere unless the body has need to burn it, and the only reason it has, is that it needs the energy from the stored fat ... and it’s only going to need that if you haven’t consumed enough calories continually to keep your body running without hitting the stores
Thats the thing CICO done wrong can cause lots of muscle loss as well. I definitely support CICO but i feel that health and nutrition should be the main focus because its more important.
CICO is physics. Maybe you should reopen your school text books.
OP is clearly wrong in her assessment of CICO but there's no need for pettiness.49 -
Good thing opinions =/= science.41
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Extreme low calories will lead to muscle loss, as will lack of exercise, but generally the fat will go first. So once you reach a healthy weight/shape, still keep to CICO with a smaller deficit and eat your exercise calories, then muscle loss shouldn't be an issue.
But you can't over-rate CICO, its fundamental to reaching/maintaining your healthy goal. Its like over-rating water.28 -
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Anything done wrong could have disastrous results. CICO is calories in/calories out - the way weight is regulated. Do you mean calorie counting? MFP is based around calorie counting. Is your mission to discourage MFP users from using MFP? MFP very explicitly encourages healthy weightloss (=fat loss). You are not allowed to close your diary if you log below a certain level. You are nudged toward balanced eating by tracking macros. There is no either/or with health, nutrition, weight management. Your health suffers if you eat too much, and you can eat too much of anything; a healthy diet implies appropriate calories; you can't eat appropriate calories for very long if you don't pay at least some attention to nutrition.GlorianasTears wrote: »I don’t get it ??? Why is CICO overrated ... it’s the basic principle for fat loss. That fat isn’t going anywhere unless the body has need to burn it, and the only reason it has, is that it needs the energy from the stored fat ... and it’s only going to need that if you haven’t consumed enough calories continually to keep your body running without hitting the stores
Thats the thing CICO done wrong can cause lots of muscle loss as well. I definitely support CICO but i feel that health and nutrition should be the main focus because its more important.27 -
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Yes, when you lose weight the amount of calories your body requires also decreases. Just like a car needs less gasoline than a truck. Your body runs more efficiently.
Obesity has become so normalized many don’t recognize what a healthy weight is anymore.22 -
Genuinely curious OP - how do you think you lose fat if not via CICO?28
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WinoGelato wrote: »Genuinely curious OP - how do you think you lose fat if not via CICO?
ACV and frequent colonics.42 -
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GlorianasTears wrote: »CICO is important definitely but i think it shouldn't be a priority we want to LOSE FAT not just WEIGHT because weight includes those wonderful muscles you work so hard to build (and other stuff) . Also the human body is very intelligent if you eat low calorie for a long time like i did in the past you might come to find that your body adjust to your low calorie lifestyle and you lose weight but you look unhealthy . If you want to make your body let go of fat you have to be healthy , being malnourished is not healthy or pleasant. So please promote fat loss not weight loss .
Im not trying to rain on anyones parade but i just think that we should focus on health and nutrition more than obsessing over CICO. Have a nice day
We definitely promote fat loss over strict weight loss if you bother to actually read the posts rather than make broad assumptions. If you read the posts you will see that we promote moderate rather than large deficits and promote exercise to preserve muscle and promote fat loss during the weight loss process, and we promote healthful eating to meet all nutritional needs.
I'm not sure where this leaves your concerns since everything you mention is something we promote. We do NOT ever promote malnutrition.22 -
moosmum1972 wrote: »AnotherPlate wrote: »moosmum1972 wrote: »GlorianasTears wrote: »I don’t get it ??? Why is CICO overrated ... it’s the basic principle for fat loss. That fat isn’t going anywhere unless the body has need to burn it, and the only reason it has, is that it needs the energy from the stored fat ... and it’s only going to need that if you haven’t consumed enough calories continually to keep your body running without hitting the stores
Thats the thing CICO done wrong can cause lots of muscle loss as well. I definitely support CICO but i feel that health and nutrition should be the main focus because its more important.
CICO is physics. Maybe you should reopen your school text books.
OP is clearly wrong in her assessment of CICO but there's no need for pettiness.
Science is important....
We can agree on that 3 -
OP every time you eat anything it's CI
everytime you go to the bathroom it's CO
It's a little hard to say CICO doesn't count in our daily living.20 -
AnotherPlate wrote: »moosmum1972 wrote: »GlorianasTears wrote: »I don’t get it ??? Why is CICO overrated ... it’s the basic principle for fat loss. That fat isn’t going anywhere unless the body has need to burn it, and the only reason it has, is that it needs the energy from the stored fat ... and it’s only going to need that if you haven’t consumed enough calories continually to keep your body running without hitting the stores
Thats the thing CICO done wrong can cause lots of muscle loss as well. I definitely support CICO but i feel that health and nutrition should be the main focus because its more important.
CICO is physics. Maybe you should reopen your school text books.
OP is clearly wrong in her assessment of CICO but there's no need for pettiness.
Starting another CICO thread in debate when there are already 6 active CICO threads is also unneeded. HTH, HAND, 20 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »I must be going nuts.... I could have sworn that 99.9999999% of posts I've seen regarding calories for weight loss also mentioned the importance of eating a nutritious diet for good health... As well as recommending slower rates of loss, adequate protein and resistance training to help maintain muscle...
This.
OP sounds like yet another person who doesn't understand what CICO is and makes weird assumptions about it.
Yes, obviously not a good idea to diet irresponsibly, as is said over and over on this site. That doesn't mean CICO is "overrated," it means that there are other things to keep in mind too. That it is important to keep gas in my car if I want it to go doesn't mean that following traffic laws is overrated.20 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »I must be going nuts.... I could have sworn that 99.9999999% of posts I've seen regarding calories for weight loss also mentioned the importance of eating a nutritious diet for good health... As well as recommending slower rates of loss, adequate protein and resistance training to help maintain muscle...
This.
OP sounds like yet another person who doesn't understand what CICO is and makes weird assumptions about it.
Yes, obviously not a good idea to diet irresponsibly, as is said over and over on this site. That doesn't mean CICO is "overrated," it means that there are other things to keep in mind too. That it is important to keep gas in my car if I want it to go doesn't mean that following traffic laws is overrated.
Everyone who "eats clean" seems to think that CIOC, IIFYM, and free eating/calorie counting are just other terms for eating Twinkies and donuts all day. No matter how much we tell them the nutrition is separate from the calories and that, yes, eat your vegetables, they still hear "eat garbage and lose weight".32 -
Your opinion is...wrong.
Your opinion is...uneducated.33 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »I must be going nuts.... I could have sworn that 99.9999999% of posts I've seen regarding calories for weight loss also mentioned the importance of eating a nutritious diet for good health... As well as recommending slower rates of loss, adequate protein and resistance training to help maintain muscle...
This.
OP sounds like yet another person who doesn't understand what CICO is and makes weird assumptions about it.
Yes, obviously not a good idea to diet irresponsibly, as is said over and over on this site. That doesn't mean CICO is "overrated," it means that there are other things to keep in mind too. That it is important to keep gas in my car if I want it to go doesn't mean that following traffic laws is overrated.
Everyone who "eats clean" seems to think that CIOC, IIFYM, and free eating/calorie counting are just other terms for eating Twinkies and donuts all day. No matter how much we tell them the nutrition is separate from the calories and that, yes, eat your vegetables, they still hear "eat garbage and lose weight".
OP is taking it even a step further -- if someone does CICO, they will cut calories irresponsibly low and lose muscle. So CICO means you will try to get as close to eating nothing as possible? Weird.17 -
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and here I thought lifting was the way to preserve muscle.
man- I've been doing something wrong my whole life. *handtoforehead-OHTHEWASTEDYEARS*21 -
and here I thought lifting was the way to preserve muscle.
man- I've been doing something wrong my whole life. *handtoforehead-OHTHEWASTEDYEARS*
Yeah, and what where you thinking even attempting to pickup 335lbs off the ground? You know that's way too heavy if you do CICO because no muscle.12 -
moosmum1972 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »I must be going nuts.... I could have sworn that 99.9999999% of posts I've seen regarding calories for weight loss also mentioned the importance of eating a nutritious diet for good health... As well as recommending slower rates of loss, adequate protein and resistance training to help maintain muscle...
This.
OP sounds like yet another person who doesn't understand what CICO is and makes weird assumptions about it.
Yes, obviously not a good idea to diet irresponsibly, as is said over and over on this site. That doesn't mean CICO is "overrated," it means that there are other things to keep in mind too. That it is important to keep gas in my car if I want it to go doesn't mean that following traffic laws is overrated.
Everyone who "eats clean" seems to think that CIOC, IIFYM, and free eating/calorie counting are just other terms for eating Twinkies and donuts all day. No matter how much we tell them the nutrition is separate from the calories and that, yes, eat your vegetables, they still hear "eat garbage and lose weight".
OP is taking it even a step further -- if someone does CICO, they will cut calories irresponsibly low and lose muscle. So CICO means you will try to get as close to eating nothing as possible? Weird.
I think op is projecting. Just because she did it means of course EVERYONE is.
This is what bugs me about these posts. The posters who misinterpreted what CICO means and/or made poor personal choices about how to apply the principles now want to school the rest of us abou how we should be giving advice. Similar to the thread last week where a poster filled their day with “diet” foods, weren’t satiated, then wanted to educate everyone about how CICO isn’t complete advice. Which no one, no one ever says that CICO is the whole story for weight loss, health, fitness and satiety.
Can people really not understand that? Is there no critical thinking applied at all? No further reading - just take the one line “CICO is all that matters for weight loss” at face value and that’s it?28
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