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CICO is overrated in my opinion
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CICO refers to the energy balance. I am currently taking in more calories than I burn over time so I am gaining weight. Add adequate macros and progressive lifting, and I got myself some muscle. I could eat 400g of protein per day, but if it doesn't put me in a surplus, I would not gain weight. So in the end, the most important factor is calorie intake....it is the driving force if we lose, maintain or gain.
Anyways, maybe you just misunderstood what CICO means/stands for.12 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »and here I thought lifting was the way to preserve muscle.
man- I've been doing something wrong my whole life. *handtoforehead-OHTHEWASTEDYEARS*
Yeah, and what where you thinking even attempting to pickup 335lbs off the ground? You know that's way too heavy if you do CICO because no muscle.
and obviously my vagina will fall out.
Lord help me.27 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »and here I thought lifting was the way to preserve muscle.
man- I've been doing something wrong my whole life. *handtoforehead-OHTHEWASTEDYEARS*
Yeah, and what where you thinking even attempting to pickup 335lbs off the ground? You know that's way too heavy if you do CICO because no muscle.
and obviously my vagina will fall out.
Lord help me.
Don't forget you will grow a beard too.12 -
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ladyreva78 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »GlorianasTears wrote: »CICO is important definitely but i think it shouldn't be a priority we want to LOSE FAT not just WEIGHT because weight includes those wonderful muscles you work so hard to build (and other stuff) . Also the human body is very intelligent if you eat low calorie for a long time like i did in the past you might come to find that your body adjust to your low calorie lifestyle and you lose weight but you look unhealthy . If you want to make your body let go of fat you have to be healthy , being malnourished is not healthy or pleasant. So please promote fat loss not weight loss .
Im not trying to rain on anyones parade but i just think that we should focus on health and nutrition more than obsessing over CICO. Have a nice day
to LOSE FAT you need a calorie deficit... so CICO has to be followed...
you can eat a nutritious diet and still be fat...
*raises hand* I ate a nutritious diet and was fat... Now I eat a (mostly) nutritious diet within my calories limits and I'm losing weight. My blood work has never been better. Divorce from my liver is off the table. Blood glucose is firmly where it's supposed to be.
All thanks to following that totally overrated concept of CICO.
Pssst: I even eat chocolate every day and pizza on a weekly basis because I know it's not the what but the how much that matters for weight loss.
GET THAT LOGIC OUT OF HERE! I CAME HERE FOR FAD DIETS AND A GENERAL MISUNDERSTANDING OF NUTRITION. I CAME HERE TO BE KETO-VEGAN-PALEO ONLY EAT IN A 17 MINUTE WINDOW - AND ONLY EAT CARBS WHEN MOON IS FULL.
ALSO I NEVER WANT TO STRENGTH TRAIN BECAUSE ITS BAD FOR MY KNEES. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH UNHEALTHY BODYWEIGHT
ANYONE WANNA BUY SIME HERBALIFE ?
I hope we all read that as a yelll. I typed it as a yell.44 -
ladyreva78 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »GlorianasTears wrote: »CICO is important definitely but i think it shouldn't be a priority we want to LOSE FAT not just WEIGHT because weight includes those wonderful muscles you work so hard to build (and other stuff) . Also the human body is very intelligent if you eat low calorie for a long time like i did in the past you might come to find that your body adjust to your low calorie lifestyle and you lose weight but you look unhealthy . If you want to make your body let go of fat you have to be healthy , being malnourished is not healthy or pleasant. So please promote fat loss not weight loss .
Im not trying to rain on anyones parade but i just think that we should focus on health and nutrition more than obsessing over CICO. Have a nice day
to LOSE FAT you need a calorie deficit... so CICO has to be followed...
you can eat a nutritious diet and still be fat...
*raises hand* I ate a nutritious diet and was fat... Now I eat a (mostly) nutritious diet within my calories limits and I'm losing weight. My blood work has never been better. Divorce from my liver is off the table. Blood glucose is firmly where it's supposed to be.
All thanks to following that totally overrated concept of CICO.
Pssst: I even eat chocolate every day and pizza on a weekly basis because I know it's not the what but the how much that matters for weight loss.
GET THAT LOGIC OUT OF HERE! I CAME HERE FOR FAD DIETS AND A GENERAL MISUNDERSTANDING OF NUTRITION. I CAME HERE TO BE KETO-VEGAN-PALEO ONLY EAT IN A 17 MINUTE WINDOW - AND ONLY EAT CARBS WHEN MOON IS FULL.
ALSO I NEVER WANT TO STRENGTH TRAIN BECAUSE ITS BAD FOR MY KNEES. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH UNHEALTHY BODYWEIGHT
ANYONE WANNA BUY SIME HERBALIFE ?
I hope we all read that as a yelll. I typed it as a yell.
Either, too much or not enough msipellings.7 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »and here I thought lifting was the way to preserve muscle.
man- I've been doing something wrong my whole life. *handtoforehead-OHTHEWASTEDYEARS*
Yeah, and what where you thinking even attempting to pickup 335lbs off the ground? You know that's way too heavy if you do CICO because no muscle.
and obviously my vagina will fall out.
Lord help me.
Don't forget you will grow a beard too.
Maybe some hair on my chest? I feel like I don't have enough hair. A girl can only dream.10 -
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »and here I thought lifting was the way to preserve muscle.
man- I've been doing something wrong my whole life. *handtoforehead-OHTHEWASTEDYEARS*
Yeah, and what where you thinking even attempting to pickup 335lbs off the ground? You know that's way too heavy if you do CICO because no muscle.
and obviously my vagina will fall out.
Lord help me.
Don't forget you will grow a beard too.
Maybe some hair on my chest? I feel like I don't have enough hair. A girl can only dream.
Just order the chest hair beard combo from amazon. Two day shipping and it worked for me7 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »and here I thought lifting was the way to preserve muscle.
man- I've been doing something wrong my whole life. *handtoforehead-OHTHEWASTEDYEARS*
Yeah, and what where you thinking even attempting to pickup 335lbs off the ground? You know that's way too heavy if you do CICO because no muscle.
and obviously my vagina will fall out.
Lord help me.
Don't forget you will grow a beard too.
Maybe some hair on my chest? I feel like I don't have enough hair. A girl can only dream.
Just order the chest hair beard combo from amazon. Two day shipping and it worked for me
Will it add 15 pounds to my deadlift?!? If so, I'm in!10 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »and here I thought lifting was the way to preserve muscle.
man- I've been doing something wrong my whole life. *handtoforehead-OHTHEWASTEDYEARS*
Yeah, and what where you thinking even attempting to pickup 335lbs off the ground? You know that's way too heavy if you do CICO because no muscle.
and obviously my vagina will fall out.
Lord help me.
Don't forget you will grow a beard too.
Maybe some hair on my chest? I feel like I don't have enough hair. A girl can only dream.
Don't forget you're going to end up all bulky and unfeminine. And how dare you even do anything that might be vaguely unwomanly.12 -
GlorianasTears wrote: »CICO is important definitely but i think it shouldn't be a priority we want to LOSE FAT not just WEIGHT because weight includes those wonderful muscles you work so hard to build (and other stuff) . Also the human body is very intelligent if you eat low calorie for a long time like i did in the past you might come to find that your body adjust to your low calorie lifestyle and you lose weight but you look unhealthy . If you want to make your body let go of fat you have to be healthy , being malnourished is not healthy or pleasant. So please promote fat loss not weight loss .
Im not trying to rain on anyones parade but i just think that we should focus on health and nutrition more than obsessing over CICO. Have a nice day
Since this is in the debate forum- could you supply us with some research to back up your theories?
Your post seems to be an opinion and it's very difficult to debate opinions. Could you post how you came to this conclusion and research to back up your assertion?
Your post comes off as though you may not really understand what calories in calories out means. What evidence can you provide so we can properly debate your theory?
Posting random opinions about dieting and health misconceptions doesn't seem like it would make a fruitful debate.17 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »and here I thought lifting was the way to preserve muscle.
man- I've been doing something wrong my whole life. *handtoforehead-OHTHEWASTEDYEARS*
Yeah, and what where you thinking even attempting to pickup 335lbs off the ground? You know that's way too heavy if you do CICO because no muscle.
and obviously my vagina will fall out.
Lord help me.
Don't forget you will grow a beard too.
Maybe some hair on my chest? I feel like I don't have enough hair. A girl can only dream.
Just order the chest hair beard combo from amazon. Two day shipping and it worked for me
Will it add 15 pounds to my deadlift?!? If so, I'm in!
It's like motorcycles- stickers add horse power: beards add gains.VintageFeline wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »and here I thought lifting was the way to preserve muscle.
man- I've been doing something wrong my whole life. *handtoforehead-OHTHEWASTEDYEARS*
Yeah, and what where you thinking even attempting to pickup 335lbs off the ground? You know that's way too heavy if you do CICO because no muscle.
and obviously my vagina will fall out.
Lord help me.
Don't forget you will grow a beard too.
Maybe some hair on my chest? I feel like I don't have enough hair. A girl can only dream.
Don't forget you're going to end up all bulky and unfeminine. And how dare you even do anything that might be vaguely unwomanly.
well- I'll never make it into the circus as the strong woman with no beard- so don't crush my dreams.7 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »and here I thought lifting was the way to preserve muscle.
man- I've been doing something wrong my whole life. *handtoforehead-OHTHEWASTEDYEARS*
Yeah, and what where you thinking even attempting to pickup 335lbs off the ground? You know that's way too heavy if you do CICO because no muscle.
and obviously my vagina will fall out.
Lord help me.
Don't forget you will grow a beard too.
Maybe some hair on my chest? I feel like I don't have enough hair. A girl can only dream.
Just order the chest hair beard combo from amazon. Two day shipping and it worked for me
Will it add 15 pounds to my deadlift?!? If so, I'm in!
Solid 6 kilos for sure. If you get the gold chain Chest hair combo at least a solid 9-10 kilos3 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »and here I thought lifting was the way to preserve muscle.
man- I've been doing something wrong my whole life. *handtoforehead-OHTHEWASTEDYEARS*
Yeah, and what where you thinking even attempting to pickup 335lbs off the ground? You know that's way too heavy if you do CICO because no muscle.
and obviously my vagina will fall out.
Lord help me.
Don't forget you will grow a beard too.
Maybe some hair on my chest? I feel like I don't have enough hair. A girl can only dream.
Just order the chest hair beard combo from amazon. Two day shipping and it worked for me
Will it add 15 pounds to my deadlift?!? If so, I'm in!
Solid 6 kilos for sure. If you get the gold chain Chest hair combo at least a solid 9-10 kilos
State record, here I come!!!4 -
I support gravity but I think it's highly over-rated. If you do it wrong, you can get hurt. I jumped out the window and broke my arm!
I also find the focus on health fascinating considering OP's previous priorities like enemas, laxatives, and OTC thyroid supplements.
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quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »and here I thought lifting was the way to preserve muscle.
man- I've been doing something wrong my whole life. *handtoforehead-OHTHEWASTEDYEARS*
Yeah, and what where you thinking even attempting to pickup 335lbs off the ground? You know that's way too heavy if you do CICO because no muscle.
and obviously my vagina will fall out.
Lord help me.
Don't forget you will grow a beard too.
Maybe some hair on my chest? I feel like I don't have enough hair. A girl can only dream.
Just order the chest hair beard combo from amazon. Two day shipping and it worked for me
Will it add 15 pounds to my deadlift?!? If so, I'm in!
Solid 6 kilos for sure. If you get the gold chain Chest hair combo at least a solid 9-10 kilos
State record, here I come!!!
Leather yourself in Drakkar Noir to fully dominate the competition8 -
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cwolfman13 wrote: »
I would hate for the accountant in charge of paying salaries to think like that...
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I support gravity but I think it's highly over-rated. If you do it wrong, you can get hurt. I jumped out the window and broke my arm!
I also find the focus on health fascinating considering OP's previous priorities like enemas, laxatives, and OTC thyroid supplements.
Gravity always brings me down.21 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »I support gravity but I think it's highly over-rated. If you do it wrong, you can get hurt. I jumped out the window and broke my arm!
I also find the focus on health fascinating considering OP's previous priorities like enemas, laxatives, and OTC thyroid supplements.
Gravity always brings me down.
I'm not falling for that!14 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »I support gravity but I think it's highly over-rated. If you do it wrong, you can get hurt. I jumped out the window and broke my arm!
I also find the focus on health fascinating considering OP's previous priorities like enemas, laxatives, and OTC thyroid supplements.
Gravity always brings me down.
I'm not falling for that!
This is getting too heavy for me.13 -
Gee, I'm impressed with how quick the quips are coming!9
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WinoGelato wrote: »moosmum1972 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »I must be going nuts.... I could have sworn that 99.9999999% of posts I've seen regarding calories for weight loss also mentioned the importance of eating a nutritious diet for good health... As well as recommending slower rates of loss, adequate protein and resistance training to help maintain muscle...
This.
OP sounds like yet another person who doesn't understand what CICO is and makes weird assumptions about it.
Yes, obviously not a good idea to diet irresponsibly, as is said over and over on this site. That doesn't mean CICO is "overrated," it means that there are other things to keep in mind too. That it is important to keep gas in my car if I want it to go doesn't mean that following traffic laws is overrated.
Everyone who "eats clean" seems to think that CIOC, IIFYM, and free eating/calorie counting are just other terms for eating Twinkies and donuts all day. No matter how much we tell them the nutrition is separate from the calories and that, yes, eat your vegetables, they still hear "eat garbage and lose weight".
OP is taking it even a step further -- if someone does CICO, they will cut calories irresponsibly low and lose muscle. So CICO means you will try to get as close to eating nothing as possible? Weird.
I think op is projecting. Just because she did it means of course EVERYONE is.
This is what bugs me about these posts. The posters who misinterpreted what CICO means and/or made poor personal choices about how to apply the principles now want to school the rest of us abou how we should be giving advice. Similar to the thread last week where a poster filled their day with “diet” foods, weren’t satiated, then wanted to educate everyone about how CICO isn’t complete advice. Which no one, no one ever says that CICO is the whole story for weight loss, health, fitness and satiety.
Can people really not understand that? Is there no critical thinking applied at all? No further reading - just take the one line “CICO is all that matters for weight loss” at face value and that’s it?
I don't understand where someone comes from thinking that if they do something, then everyone else does too... full stop. I just don't see how you can get out in the world and not experience the fact that people are different than you. This was something I pretty much remember learning about the world starting when I first left home and started school.
:shrug:
More to the topic, I just about give up trying to explain this. It seems like the phrase "CICO" as an acronym has been successfully kidnapped by the blogosphere and rebranded as something that it never was (remember that sudden spate of anti-CICO articles at the end of last year) and a lot of people have no clue what it ever really meant in the first place.
It was a propaganda battle in the dieting wars, and common sense seems to have lost for the time being.10 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »I support gravity but I think it's highly over-rated. If you do it wrong, you can get hurt. I jumped out the window and broke my arm!
I also find the focus on health fascinating considering OP's previous priorities like enemas, laxatives, and OTC thyroid supplements.
Gravity always brings me down.
I'm not falling for that!
This is getting too heavy for me.
We need a more light-hearted moment?8 -
As Jon Anderson once sang - OK, many times - "I get up. I get down."6
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quiksylver296 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »I support gravity but I think it's highly over-rated. If you do it wrong, you can get hurt. I jumped out the window and broke my arm!
I also find the focus on health fascinating considering OP's previous priorities like enemas, laxatives, and OTC thyroid supplements.
Gravity always brings me down.
I'm not falling for that!
This is getting too heavy for me.
We need a more light-hearted moment?
Ether that or get sucked into the black hole.
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »I support gravity but I think it's highly over-rated. If you do it wrong, you can get hurt. I jumped out the window and broke my arm!
I also find the focus on health fascinating considering OP's previous priorities like enemas, laxatives, and OTC thyroid supplements.
Gravity always brings me down.
I'm not falling for that!
This is getting too heavy for me.
We need a more light-hearted moment?
Ether that or get sucked into the black hole.
We're all too down-to-earth for that nonsense.7 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »I support gravity but I think it's highly over-rated. If you do it wrong, you can get hurt. I jumped out the window and broke my arm!
I also find the focus on health fascinating considering OP's previous priorities like enemas, laxatives, and OTC thyroid supplements.
Gravity always brings me down.
I'm not falling for that!
This is getting too heavy for me.
We need a more light-hearted moment?
Ether that or get sucked into the black hole.
We're all too down-to-earth for that nonsense.
Exactly, we have to hold fast to solid ground.4
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