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CICO is overrated in my opinion
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I feel kind of silly having attempted a serious response assuming a debate was being sought. I guess hope springs eternal and all.
Oatmeal keeps me full. Pasta too. But then I am descended from unicorns, so...
I'm waiting for an answer to my question before I dive into a serious answer, but hopefully some of the earnest responses will help others. Who knows. :drinker:
I've been adding a serving of rice or potatoes to my meals lately and I'm seeing a big difference in my satiety. Always interesting to play around with different things and see what happens.11 -
diannethegeek wrote: »I feel kind of silly having attempted a serious response assuming a debate was being sought. I guess hope springs eternal and all.
Oatmeal keeps me full. Pasta too. But then I am descended from unicorns, so...
I'm waiting for an answer to my question before I dive into a serious answer, but hopefully some of the earnest responses will help others. Who knows. :drinker:
I've been adding a serving of rice or potatoes to my meals lately and I'm seeing a big difference in my satiety. Always interesting to play around with different things and see what happens.
I feel like the weirdest person with this. I find potatoes to be really filling, but I need to have them with protein and some fat.
It's pretty much the same for every meal. It's got to be starch, protein, fat, fiber.12 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »I feel kind of silly having attempted a serious response assuming a debate was being sought. I guess hope springs eternal and all.
Oatmeal keeps me full. Pasta too. But then I am descended from unicorns, so...
I'm waiting for an answer to my question before I dive into a serious answer, but hopefully some of the earnest responses will help others. Who knows. :drinker:
I've been adding a serving of rice or potatoes to my meals lately and I'm seeing a big difference in my satiety. Always interesting to play around with different things and see what happens.
I feel like the weirdest person with this. I find potatoes to be really filling, but I need to have them with protein and some fat.
It's pretty much the same for every meal. It's got to be starch, protein, fat, fiber.
Sames. I need the starch or I go mooching for more. There is also a psychological aspect to it too and that can't be ignored.3 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »I feel kind of silly having attempted a serious response assuming a debate was being sought. I guess hope springs eternal and all.
Oatmeal keeps me full. Pasta too. But then I am descended from unicorns, so...
I'm waiting for an answer to my question before I dive into a serious answer, but hopefully some of the earnest responses will help others. Who knows. :drinker:
I've been adding a serving of rice or potatoes to my meals lately and I'm seeing a big difference in my satiety. Always interesting to play around with different things and see what happens.
I feel like the weirdest person with this. I find potatoes to be really filling, but I need to have them with protein and some fat.
It's pretty much the same for every meal. It's got to be starch, protein, fat, fiber.
Potatoes are generally considered a high satiation food. There are people who are not satiated by them, but most people are.
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rileysowner wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »I feel kind of silly having attempted a serious response assuming a debate was being sought. I guess hope springs eternal and all.
Oatmeal keeps me full. Pasta too. But then I am descended from unicorns, so...
I'm waiting for an answer to my question before I dive into a serious answer, but hopefully some of the earnest responses will help others. Who knows. :drinker:
I've been adding a serving of rice or potatoes to my meals lately and I'm seeing a big difference in my satiety. Always interesting to play around with different things and see what happens.
I feel like the weirdest person with this. I find potatoes to be really filling, but I need to have them with protein and some fat.
It's pretty much the same for every meal. It's got to be starch, protein, fat, fiber.
Potatoes are generally considered a high satiation food. There are people who are not satiated by them, but most people are.
I remember reading the study on that.
For me, though, I need the mix of that starch (and the fiber it comes with) plus protein and fat.
Rice is starchy, right? But I don't find it filling. However, if I have it with vegetables cooked in oil and some protein, I find it filling. Because the veggies bring the fiber and I've added fat and protein.
I have to have every meal this way. The thing is that I really only eat two main meals a day plus yogurt with fruit and nuts (and even that's mixing carbs, protein and fat!) for dessert, so it's not that big a deal.3 -
I always eat oatmeal but on a whim I added some butter and was full until lunch. Fat is where it's at. LOL6
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Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »I always eat oatmeal but on a whim I added some butter and was full until lunch. Fat is where it's at. LOL
I don't know why I never thought to do this. I generally go for sweet porridge/oatmeal with cinnamon and dried fruit being one of my go tos, a dab of butter might make it next level. I do enjoy coconut milk, or reduced fat coconut milk for calories, in my summer overnight oats (with mango and pineapple, do recommend) and that keeps me full for a goodly amount of time. God I miss summer.1 -
Having not read most of this thread, I'll just jump right on in. CICO works! OP, are you nuts or just trying to get attention? CICO worked for me. I lost over 70#. If you need help, just ask. I will be happy to help you out.
What's the deal with oatmeal? Eat it or don't.10 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »I feel kind of silly having attempted a serious response assuming a debate was being sought. I guess hope springs eternal and all.
Oatmeal keeps me full. Pasta too. But then I am descended from unicorns, so...
I'm waiting for an answer to my question before I dive into a serious answer, but hopefully some of the earnest responses will help others. Who knows. :drinker:
I've been adding a serving of rice or potatoes to my meals lately and I'm seeing a big difference in my satiety. Always interesting to play around with different things and see what happens.
I feel like the weirdest person with this. I find potatoes to be really filling, but I need to have them with protein and some fat.
It's pretty much the same for every meal. It's got to be starch, protein, fat, fiber.
Potatoes are generally considered a high satiation food. There are people who are not satiated by them, but most people are.
I remember reading the study on that.
For me, though, I need the mix of that starch (and the fiber it comes with) plus protein and fat.
Rice is starchy, right? But I don't find it filling. However, if I have it with vegetables cooked in oil and some protein, I find it filling. Because the veggies bring the fiber and I've added fat and protein.
I have to have every meal this way. The thing is that I really only eat two main meals a day plus yogurt with fruit and nuts (and even that's mixing carbs, protein and fat!) for dessert, so it's not that big a deal.
One of the things that satiate me is a baked potato with the skin. It does so far more than one without skin. It might be the fiber, I don't know. Add a protein like some roast beef, and the effect is doubled.2 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »I always eat oatmeal but on a whim I added some butter and was full until lunch. Fat is where it's at. LOL
Peanut butter works too!6 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »I always eat oatmeal but on a whim I added some butter and was full until lunch. Fat is where it's at. LOL
Peanut butter works too!
Or avocado! JK1 -
I'm embarrassed to admit this, but Quest bars have the perfect balance of protein and fiber, along with some sweetness and carbs, to keep me satiated for hours. I have one every morning and am fine until lunch. I discovered this after getting involved in one of those interminable protein bar threads. Live and learn
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Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »I always eat oatmeal but on a whim I added some butter and was full until lunch. Fat is where it's at. LOL
Peanut butter works too!
Or avocado! JK
Ya know what? Some warm oats, chopped avocado, salt, and hot sauce? I'd eat that.8 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »I always eat oatmeal but on a whim I added some butter and was full until lunch. Fat is where it's at. LOL
Peanut butter works too!
Or avocado! JK
Ya know what? Some warm oats, chopped avocado, salt, and hot sauce? I'd eat that.
Me too. I seriously need to try it soon.1 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »I always eat oatmeal but on a whim I added some butter and was full until lunch. Fat is where it's at. LOL
Peanut butter works too!
Or avocado! JK
Ya know what? Some warm oats, chopped avocado, salt, and hot sauce? I'd eat that.
Me too. I seriously need to try it soon.
It's great.1 -
BecomingBane wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »I always eat oatmeal but on a whim I added some butter and was full until lunch. Fat is where it's at. LOL
Peanut butter works too!
Or avocado! JK
Ya know what? Some warm oats, chopped avocado, salt, and hot sauce? I'd eat that.
Me too. I seriously need to try it soon.
It's great.
Seriously? Tomorrow. I have two avocados ready to go.1 -
You can enjoy that while reading all the responses from the OP!Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »I always eat oatmeal but on a whim I added some butter and was full until lunch. Fat is where it's at. LOL
Peanut butter works too!
Or avocado! JK
Ya know what? Some warm oats, chopped avocado, salt, and hot sauce? I'd eat that.
Me too. I seriously need to try it soon.
It's great.
Seriously? Tomorrow. I have two avocados ready to go.
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Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »I always eat oatmeal but on a whim I added some butter and was full until lunch. Fat is where it's at. LOL
Was just speaking to a physician who is an obesity expert with years of research behind him.
A woman in the room said she was addicted to high sugar coffee beverages from Starbucks.
He suggested that she try to ween herself off of sugars and make her own coffee and use full fat whipping cream (from a carton) and put in a tsp of ghee (purified butter) in it also. It was found to be very satisfying and the participants had high energy all morning. Labs also had shown cholesterol levels came down significantly.
But no sugar or any artificial sweetners at at not even stevia.
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Oatmeal is super weird for me... it's mainly carbs, which means as a diabetic I should find that it raises my blood sugar. But according to my testing it raises it hardly at all, and sometimes it's even lower an hour after eating oatmeal than it was an hour before. It's mystifying. I assume it has something to do with fiber. Since rice, on the other hand, does really spike my sugar, I've started using steel cut oats in what used to be rice dishes, such as jambalaya and red beans with rice. I have yet to attempt steel cut oat sushi but plan to try that next. So far it's like a magic trick for keeping my levels low.quiksylver296 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »moosmum1972 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »I must be going nuts.... I could have sworn that 99.9999999% of posts I've seen regarding calories for weight loss also mentioned the importance of eating a nutritious diet for good health... As well as recommending slower rates of loss, adequate protein and resistance training to help maintain muscle...
This.
OP sounds like yet another person who doesn't understand what CICO is and makes weird assumptions about it.
Yes, obviously not a good idea to diet irresponsibly, as is said over and over on this site. That doesn't mean CICO is "overrated," it means that there are other things to keep in mind too. That it is important to keep gas in my car if I want it to go doesn't mean that following traffic laws is overrated.
Everyone who "eats clean" seems to think that CIOC, IIFYM, and free eating/calorie counting are just other terms for eating Twinkies and donuts all day. No matter how much we tell them the nutrition is separate from the calories and that, yes, eat your vegetables, they still hear "eat garbage and lose weight".
OP is taking it even a step further -- if someone does CICO, they will cut calories irresponsibly low and lose muscle. So CICO means you will try to get as close to eating nothing as possible? Weird.
I think op is projecting. Just because she did it means of course EVERYONE is.
This is what bugs me about these posts. The posters who misinterpreted what CICO means and/or made poor personal choices about how to apply the principles now want to school the rest of us abou how we should be giving advice. Similar to the thread last week where a poster filled their day with “diet” foods, weren’t satiated, then wanted to educate everyone about how CICO isn’t complete advice. Which no one, no one ever says that CICO is the whole story for weight loss, health, fitness and satiety.
Can people really not understand that? Is there no critical thinking applied at all? No further reading - just take the one line “CICO is all that matters for weight loss” at face value and that’s it?
Funny story:
When I first started counting calories, the first few days I was really hungry because I ran out of calories early in the day.
What did I do? I went to the store and bought foods that were lower calorie per volume and more filling.
No one had to tell me that it was important to choose foods that left me satisfied.
I figured it out myself because I’m a sentient adult.
Carlos_421, this was my experience as well. I'm baffled when fellow commenters don't have this experience.
it's why I don't eat oatmeal- people are like "sticks to the ribs makes you full bla bla bla"
oatmeal = insta hungry.
which is why SURPRISE! I don't eat it anymore.
people like to make this harder than it needs to be I think.
And it keeps me full for hours, which is why everyone needs to experiment for themselves.
Anyway, I wonder if the lower than expected impact on blood glucose could be connected to the reason some people feel hungry and some don't.
Back on topic - CICO isn't a thing to do, it's a description of reality: calories in equals calories out. It can sometimes be tricky to discover one or the other, but in all situations CICO is true. It's like saying "a car uses a certain amount of gas to go a certain distance." You may have trouble calculating the amount of gas, the car may get different mileage from someone else's car, either the car or the gas meter may be broken in several possible ways, but the basic principle can't be escaped: gasoline engines use gas to operate.
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Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »I always eat oatmeal but on a whim I added some butter and was full until lunch. Fat is where it's at. LOL
Was just speaking to a physician who is an obesity expert with years of research behind him.
A woman in the room said she was addicted to high sugar coffee beverages from Starbucks.
He suggested that she try to ween herself off of sugars and make her own coffee and use full fat whipping cream (from a carton) and put in a tsp of ghee (purified butter) in it also. It was found to be very satisfying and the participants had high energy all morning. Labs also had shown cholesterol levels came down significantly.
But no sugar or any artificial sweetners at at not even stevia.
Very interesting!
That fat-laden, 300-500 calorie cup of greasy sludge is called "bulletproof coffee" - there's a whole woo industry built around it.
By any chance, did that "obesity expert" also espouse the theory that weight gain is caused by insulin, not excess calories?22 -
Protein ... fat ... carbs ... unicorn poo .... none of them satiate me ... I am always hungry.16
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Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »I always eat oatmeal but on a whim I added some butter and was full until lunch. Fat is where it's at. LOL
Was just speaking to a physician who is an obesity expert with years of research behind him.
A woman in the room said she was addicted to high sugar coffee beverages from Starbucks.
He suggested that she try to ween herself off of sugars and make her own coffee and use full fat whipping cream (from a carton) and put in a tsp of ghee (purified butter) in it also. It was found to be very satisfying and the participants had high energy all morning. Labs also had shown cholesterol levels came down significantly.
But no sugar or any artificial sweetners at at not even stevia.
Very interesting!
That's funny, because I follow a physician who is an obesity expert with years of experience in non-surgical bariatric medicine and he would say that is nonsense.19 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »I always eat oatmeal but on a whim I added some butter and was full until lunch. Fat is where it's at. LOL
Was just speaking to a physician who is an obesity expert with years of research behind him.
A woman in the room said she was addicted to high sugar coffee beverages from Starbucks.
He suggested that she try to ween herself off of sugars and make her own coffee and use full fat whipping cream (from a carton) and put in a tsp of ghee (purified butter) in it also. It was found to be very satisfying and the participants had high energy all morning. Labs also had shown cholesterol levels came down significantly.
But no sugar or any artificial sweetners at at not even stevia.
Very interesting!
There was a documentary aired recently about some obese patients in a weight loss clinic attached to a hospital, with a "weight loss expert" Dr, who was very in to keto, and cutting carbs (and calories). Most of the patients interviewed had seen him for a long time.... And were still obese, with food issues.15 -
Alot of people do not know how to eat properly so CICO is a good starting point for alot of people. Aslong as they are actually properly counting their calories, After that they can choose how to adjust their diet to their needs.5
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The reason why CICO is so important is the simple fact that it works. It makes weight loss accessible to literally everyone. For health, one of best things most people can do is lose weight.
Of course, we all ought to eat a healthy, balanced diet, and no one is arguing that. But this is a weight loss site, and CICO is literally the only way to lose weight, no matter what you're actually putting in your face.4 -
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Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »I always eat oatmeal but on a whim I added some butter and was full until lunch. Fat is where it's at. LOL
Peanut butter works too!
Or avocado! JK
Ya know what? Some warm oats, chopped avocado, salt, and hot sauce? I'd eat that.
That sounds delicious. I adore avocados to an almost obsessive point. I'd have to add some protein in there. Maybe some eggs.1 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »I always eat oatmeal but on a whim I added some butter and was full until lunch. Fat is where it's at. LOL
Was just speaking to a physician who is an obesity expert with years of research behind him.
A woman in the room said she was addicted to high sugar coffee beverages from Starbucks.
He suggested that she try to ween herself off of sugars and make her own coffee and use full fat whipping cream (from a carton) and put in a tsp of ghee (purified butter) in it also. It was found to be very satisfying and the participants had high energy all morning. Labs also had shown cholesterol levels came down significantly.
But no sugar or any artificial sweetners at at not even stevia.
Very interesting!
Now how many calories would be in that cup of coffee?
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As a licensed nutritionist working with people who are looking to lose weight I hear the same things over and over again... "I eat healthy and clean and I exercise but the weight just won't come off". My response to that is "How many calories a day are you consuming?" They look at me like I'm an alien because they've never actually thought about it. I'm a clean eater (insert your definition of clean here), but if I eat my clean, healthy and nutritional foods in excess, I'm going to gain weight/fat. That's all.26
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