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Fast Food Addiction - Can Anyone Else Relate?
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candylilacs wrote: »It's carbs and sugar! Can it not be addictive?
1) Sugar is carbs. And all carbs are eventually metabolized into simple sugars in the body.
2) Sugar is not addictive: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28330706
3) Fast foods are often very high in fat as are a lot of "treat" or "junk" foods. Why isn't fat getting the bad rap for being evil and addictive and fattening? Oh yeah, I forgot - because the keto fad.
Addressing peer reviewed evidence #2. Have you seen this? Call me skeptical of a study based on self reporting on an online survey that asks for participants to remember and classify food intake as far back as 12 months and no questions about exercise habits. The fact the author Peter Roger's is bought and paid for by the sugar and soda industry and has come out with another research paper claiming Diet Soda could help weight loss better than water makes me question his research on sugar.
https://www.naturalhealthnews.uk/newsletter/sugar-sweeteners-and-science-for-sale/
Does low-energy sweetener consumption affect energy intake and body weight? A systematic review, including meta-analyses, of the evidence from human and animal studies
P J Rogers et al
International Journal of Obesity volume 40, pages 381–394 (2016)
doi:10.1038/ijo.2015.177
Did you mean to link to a naturopathic website that also promotes homeopathy or was there originally a link to a reputable website that was supposed to go there?15 -
The fact the author Peter Roger's is bought and paid for by the sugar and soda industry and has come out with another research paper claiming Diet Soda could help weight loss better than water
If he's bought and paid for by Big Sugar, why is he advocating diet drinks, which don't contain sugar?
eta: Wouldn't he be pushing the full-sugar versions if he was also bought and paid for by Big Soda?15 -
candylilacs wrote: »It's carbs and sugar! Can it not be addictive?
1) Sugar is carbs. And all carbs are eventually metabolized into simple sugars in the body.
2) Sugar is not addictive: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28330706
3) Fast foods are often very high in fat as are a lot of "treat" or "junk" foods. Why isn't fat getting the bad rap for being evil and addictive and fattening? Oh yeah, I forgot - because the keto fad.
Addressing peer reviewed evidence #2. Have you seen this? Call me skeptical of a study based on self reporting on an online survey that asks for participants to remember and classify food intake as far back as 12 months and no questions about exercise habits. The fact the author Peter Roger's is bought and paid for by the sugar and soda industry and has come out with another research paper claiming Diet Soda could help weight loss better than water makes me question his research on sugar.
https://www.naturalhealthnews.uk/newsletter/sugar-sweeteners-and-science-for-sale/
Does low-energy sweetener consumption affect energy intake and body weight? A systematic review, including meta-analyses, of the evidence from human and animal studies
P J Rogers et al
International Journal of Obesity volume 40, pages 381–394 (2016)
doi:10.1038/ijo.2015.177
I'm pretty sure something called Natural Health News also has it's own axe to grind
I believe any argument to your post has already been said multiple times in this thread. And a "natural health" blog post doesn't make me rethink the issue.10 -
collectingblues wrote: »Katherinelittle24 wrote: »Random Thought:
Who here is addicted to fast food? Yesterday, I kind of cheated on my weight loss program and had Burger King for the first time in a while. Now, at that very moment it felt good to have a hamburger again but than later in the evening, I felt disgusting. I felt bloated, heavy, depressed and felt like I didn't want to work out at all. Honesty, since then, I have felt this desire to get more fast food, and even though I was full after I had a meal at Burger King, I still wanted more....that's how terrible my addiction is. Fast Food is the devil haha sorry don't need to be dramatic but for those that are addicted to food, I'm sure you will understand.
Long story short, since November of 2017, I've lost 52lbs. I have a long way to go but when I started my weight loss journey, I was 400lbs. I became highly addicted to fast food. Even though I love to cook and I love all of the healthy delicious foods, I ate fast food about four days a week at least and that's how I became so obese. I wanted fast food every day and yesterday, I got a glimpse of the old me and it kind of scared me because thinking about how much I've worked on myself since then, and how much I can easily gain the weight I loss because of my terrible food addiction. After I had fast food, my mind has been thinking about it ever since. Does anyone else get these thoughts as well?
Just so I'm clear. You've been eating a restrictive diet. You then ate a highly palatable food that you've not allowed yourself to have. Now you want more of this highly palatable food.
But instead of accepting that you ate something that tasted good, surely it must be an addiction, because then you couldn't have possibly had anything to do with it.
Missing the "awesome" button right about now.9 -
meganhirschi wrote: »I relate my addiction is all carbs... I had spaghetti last night and spent the rest of the night wishing i had made more so there had been leftovers. Im still thinking about it and it makes me crazy.
Thank you. This is how I feel. Pasta with sauces of all kinds . . . Meat . . . Vegetable . . . Just butter . . . Now I suddenly feel hungry.0 -
The fact the author Peter Roger's is bought and paid for by the sugar and soda industry and has come out with another research paper claiming Diet Soda could help weight loss better than water
If he's bought and paid for by Big Sugar, why is he advocating diet drinks, which don't contain sugar?
eta: Wouldn't he be pushing the full-sugar versions if he was also bought and paid for by Big Soda?
Big Sugar's check must have bounced. Isn't that always the way?10 -
Why is it people 'addicted to carbs' never have some unhealthy focus on squash, beets, peas, and beans. This makes me question whether the carbs are even a factor.16
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Not that I buy carb addiction, but possibly the perceived issue is "starchy" carbs?
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meganhirschi wrote: »I relate my addiction is all carbs... I had spaghetti last night and spent the rest of the night wishing i had made more so there had been leftovers. Im still thinking about it and it makes me crazy.
Thank you. This is how I feel. Pasta with sauces of all kinds . . . Meat . . . Vegetable . . . Just butter . . . Now I suddenly feel hungry.
Sure, but if you have pasta with a sauce, it normally has at least fat and carbs, often fat, carbs, and protein. So if you find that super tasty and want to overeat it, I don't know why carbs would be singled out as the culprit (i.e., "my addiction is all carbs").
Personally, it's not an addiction, but sure I love pasta, with all kinds of sauces. But for me the sauce is the key, it's not something I'd eat on its own (well, no often), but I often find putting it on veg (like spaghetti sauce) is almost as tasty, and when I was a kid I'd always have a little pasta, lots of sauce (at the time people would sneer and say that was so American, in Italy it would be the other way around). Plain pasta might have been okay if nothing else I liked was available, but plain pasta or plain rice or plain potatoes or bread aren't things I will overeat (unless I'm super hungry or something). It's the tasty additions, usually fat and protein, as well as simply more vegetables, that make a pasta dish (or rice with curry or so on) something hard to stop eating. At least for me.1 -
fuzzylop72 wrote: »Why is it people 'addicted to carbs' never have some unhealthy focus on squash, beets, peas, and beans. This makes me question whether the carbs are even a factor.
Yeah, if someone has a carb addiction, I recommend carrots.
Although IMO even plain potatoes are low enough cal that they are hard to overeat too much. I think people go nuts with potatoes (more often than not) when they add butter or fry them or the like.
To be fair, OP didn't introduce the carb addiction topic.3 -
candylilacs wrote: »It's carbs and sugar! Can it not be addictive?
1) Sugar is carbs. And all carbs are eventually metabolized into simple sugars in the body.
2) Sugar is not addictive: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28330706
3) Fast foods are often very high in fat as are a lot of "treat" or "junk" foods. Why isn't fat getting the bad rap for being evil and addictive and fattening? Oh yeah, I forgot - because the keto fad.
Addressing peer reviewed evidence #2. Have you seen this? Call me skeptical of a study based on self reporting on an online survey that asks for participants to remember and classify food intake as far back as 12 months and no questions about exercise habits. The fact the author Peter Roger's is bought and paid for by the sugar and soda industry and has come out with another research paper claiming Diet Soda could help weight loss better than water makes me question his research on sugar.
https://www.naturalhealthnews.uk/newsletter/sugar-sweeteners-and-science-for-sale/
Does low-energy sweetener consumption affect energy intake and body weight? A systematic review, including meta-analyses, of the evidence from human and animal studies
P J Rogers et al
International Journal of Obesity volume 40, pages 381–394 (2016)
doi:10.1038/ijo.2015.177
You didn't really just reference Natural Health News, did you? The site so full of woo and BS that it's been blacklisted by Google and won't show up in searches?
LOLOL.18 -
Actually it does show up, thats how I found it after reading your sited piece I got curious and regardless of any opinions of it good or bad does not exclude the fact the sited piece is accurate to the extent he is getting his funding from companies that sell sugar. The authors paper even references his ties to the vary companies that would like everyone to to believe their products are not in the least full of something that other scientific research is producing data that would be be a problem for them. Just seems similar to big pharma funding research and only publishing the data that supports their next big drug but burying negative or contrary findings is all I’m pointing out. Laugh if you want but when it comes to a billion dollar sugar/ soda industry I don’t put anything past them. Anyway the study has problems and needs to be replicated using better methods than a self reporting online survey covering a 12 month period. We read all the time on mfp how many have trouble logging their food correctly day to day much less if you ask them to go back 12 months. I doubt many could do it very accurately.8
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candylilacs wrote: »It's carbs and sugar! Can it not be addictive?
1) Sugar is carbs. And all carbs are eventually metabolized into simple sugars in the body.
2) Sugar is not addictive: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28330706
3) Fast foods are often very high in fat as are a lot of "treat" or "junk" foods. Why isn't fat getting the bad rap for being evil and addictive and fattening? Oh yeah, I forgot - because the keto fad.
Addressing peer reviewed evidence #2. Have you seen this? Call me skeptical of a study based on self reporting on an online survey that asks for participants to remember and classify food intake as far back as 12 months and no questions about exercise habits. The fact the author Peter Roger's is bought and paid for by the sugar and soda industry and has come out with another research paper claiming Diet Soda could help weight loss better than water makes me question his research on sugar.
https://www.naturalhealthnews.uk/newsletter/sugar-sweeteners-and-science-for-sale/
Does low-energy sweetener consumption affect energy intake and body weight? A systematic review, including meta-analyses, of the evidence from human and animal studies
P J Rogers et al
International Journal of Obesity volume 40, pages 381–394 (2016)
doi:10.1038/ijo.2015.177
You didn't really just reference Natural Health News, did you? The site so full of woo and BS that it's been blacklisted by Google and won't show up in searches?
LOLOL.
https://google.com/search?q=Natural+Health+News&oq=Natural+Health+News&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Google is now aware of woo posters posting false posts about their company and have now reinstated Natural Health News.10 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »candylilacs wrote: »It's carbs and sugar! Can it not be addictive?
1) Sugar is carbs. And all carbs are eventually metabolized into simple sugars in the body.
2) Sugar is not addictive: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28330706
3) Fast foods are often very high in fat as are a lot of "treat" or "junk" foods. Why isn't fat getting the bad rap for being evil and addictive and fattening? Oh yeah, I forgot - because the keto fad.
Addressing peer reviewed evidence #2. Have you seen this? Call me skeptical of a study based on self reporting on an online survey that asks for participants to remember and classify food intake as far back as 12 months and no questions about exercise habits. The fact the author Peter Roger's is bought and paid for by the sugar and soda industry and has come out with another research paper claiming Diet Soda could help weight loss better than water makes me question his research on sugar.
https://www.naturalhealthnews.uk/newsletter/sugar-sweeteners-and-science-for-sale/
Does low-energy sweetener consumption affect energy intake and body weight? A systematic review, including meta-analyses, of the evidence from human and animal studies
P J Rogers et al
International Journal of Obesity volume 40, pages 381–394 (2016)
doi:10.1038/ijo.2015.177
You didn't really just reference Natural Health News, did you? The site so full of woo and BS that it's been blacklisted by Google and won't show up in searches?
LOLOL.
https://google.com/search?q=Natural+Health+News&oq=Natural+Health+News&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Google is now aware of woo posters posting false posts about their company and have now reinstated Natural Health News.
Could you clarify your meaning of the word "woo" here? Given your last several posts on the word, I'd like to be sure I'm following your current train of thought.7 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »candylilacs wrote: »It's carbs and sugar! Can it not be addictive?
1) Sugar is carbs. And all carbs are eventually metabolized into simple sugars in the body.
2) Sugar is not addictive: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28330706
3) Fast foods are often very high in fat as are a lot of "treat" or "junk" foods. Why isn't fat getting the bad rap for being evil and addictive and fattening? Oh yeah, I forgot - because the keto fad.
Addressing peer reviewed evidence #2. Have you seen this? Call me skeptical of a study based on self reporting on an online survey that asks for participants to remember and classify food intake as far back as 12 months and no questions about exercise habits. The fact the author Peter Roger's is bought and paid for by the sugar and soda industry and has come out with another research paper claiming Diet Soda could help weight loss better than water makes me question his research on sugar.
https://www.naturalhealthnews.uk/newsletter/sugar-sweeteners-and-science-for-sale/
Does low-energy sweetener consumption affect energy intake and body weight? A systematic review, including meta-analyses, of the evidence from human and animal studies
P J Rogers et al
International Journal of Obesity volume 40, pages 381–394 (2016)
doi:10.1038/ijo.2015.177
You didn't really just reference Natural Health News, did you? The site so full of woo and BS that it's been blacklisted by Google and won't show up in searches?
LOLOL.
https://google.com/search?q=Natural+Health+News&oq=Natural+Health+News&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Google is now aware of woo posters posting false posts about their company and have now reinstated Natural Health News.
Could you clarify your meaning of the word "woo" here? Given your last several posts on the word, I'd like to be sure I'm following your current train of thought.
Tonight just use the one posted by MFP in the past on that subject if you wish.5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »candylilacs wrote: »It's carbs and sugar! Can it not be addictive?
1) Sugar is carbs. And all carbs are eventually metabolized into simple sugars in the body.
2) Sugar is not addictive: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28330706
3) Fast foods are often very high in fat as are a lot of "treat" or "junk" foods. Why isn't fat getting the bad rap for being evil and addictive and fattening? Oh yeah, I forgot - because the keto fad.
Addressing peer reviewed evidence #2. Have you seen this? Call me skeptical of a study based on self reporting on an online survey that asks for participants to remember and classify food intake as far back as 12 months and no questions about exercise habits. The fact the author Peter Roger's is bought and paid for by the sugar and soda industry and has come out with another research paper claiming Diet Soda could help weight loss better than water makes me question his research on sugar.
https://www.naturalhealthnews.uk/newsletter/sugar-sweeteners-and-science-for-sale/
Does low-energy sweetener consumption affect energy intake and body weight? A systematic review, including meta-analyses, of the evidence from human and animal studies
P J Rogers et al
International Journal of Obesity volume 40, pages 381–394 (2016)
doi:10.1038/ijo.2015.177
You didn't really just reference Natural Health News, did you? The site so full of woo and BS that it's been blacklisted by Google and won't show up in searches?
LOLOL.
https://google.com/search?q=Natural+Health+News&oq=Natural+Health+News&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Google is now aware of woo posters posting false posts about their company and have now reinstated Natural Health News.
Could you clarify your meaning of the word "woo" here? Given your last several posts on the word, I'd like to be sure I'm following your current train of thought.
Tonight just use the one posted by MFP in the past on that subject if you wish.
Thank you for clarifying. So it's good/bad, and intentionally ambiguous.4 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »candylilacs wrote: »It's carbs and sugar! Can it not be addictive?
1) Sugar is carbs. And all carbs are eventually metabolized into simple sugars in the body.
2) Sugar is not addictive: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28330706
3) Fast foods are often very high in fat as are a lot of "treat" or "junk" foods. Why isn't fat getting the bad rap for being evil and addictive and fattening? Oh yeah, I forgot - because the keto fad.
Addressing peer reviewed evidence #2. Have you seen this? Call me skeptical of a study based on self reporting on an online survey that asks for participants to remember and classify food intake as far back as 12 months and no questions about exercise habits. The fact the author Peter Roger's is bought and paid for by the sugar and soda industry and has come out with another research paper claiming Diet Soda could help weight loss better than water makes me question his research on sugar.
https://www.naturalhealthnews.uk/newsletter/sugar-sweeteners-and-science-for-sale/
Does low-energy sweetener consumption affect energy intake and body weight? A systematic review, including meta-analyses, of the evidence from human and animal studies
P J Rogers et al
International Journal of Obesity volume 40, pages 381–394 (2016)
doi:10.1038/ijo.2015.177
You didn't really just reference Natural Health News, did you? The site so full of woo and BS that it's been blacklisted by Google and won't show up in searches?
LOLOL.
https://google.com/search?q=Natural+Health+News&oq=Natural+Health+News&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Google is now aware of woo posters posting false posts about their company and have now reinstated Natural Health News.
Could you clarify your meaning of the word "woo" here? Given your last several posts on the word, I'd like to be sure I'm following your current train of thought.
Tonight just use the one posted by MFP in the past on that subject if you wish.
Thank you for clarifying. So it's good/bad, and intentionally ambiguous.
The link to the official MFP meaning is in one of these threads of late but not sure which one since so much woo about different WOE's has been posted of late.
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Actually it does show up, thats how I found it after reading your sited piece I got curious and regardless of any opinions of it good or bad does not exclude the fact the sited piece is accurate to the extent he is getting his funding from companies that sell sugar. The authors paper even references his ties to the vary companies that would like everyone to to believe their products are not in the least full of something that other scientific research is producing data that would be be a problem for them. Just seems similar to big pharma funding research and only publishing the data that supports their next big drug but burying negative or contrary findings is all I’m pointing out. Laugh if you want but when it comes to a billion dollar sugar/ soda industry I don’t put anything past them. Anyway the study has problems and needs to be replicated using better methods than a self reporting online survey covering a 12 month period. We read all the time on mfp how many have trouble logging their food correctly day to day much less if you ask them to go back 12 months. I doubt many could do it very accurately.
How do you know it is accurate? Did you independently research their claims or verify them via reliable sources? If you did, why not share those sources instead of a discredited website that promotes known pseudoscience and quackery?10 -
If you would the entire paper you would see that it was verified in the author's own paper. They actually stated in "Declarations of interest
Rob Markus provide (free) consultancy services to ‘Kenniscentrum Suiker en Voeding’, The Netherlands. Peter Rogers has received funding for research from Sugar Nutrition UK, and has provided consultancy services to Coca-Cola Great Britain and received speaker's fees from the International Sweeteners Association." That how I know.
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If you would the entire paper you would see that it was verified in the author's own paper. They actually stated in "Declarations of interest
Rob Markus provide (free) consultancy services to ‘Kenniscentrum Suiker en Voeding’, The Netherlands. Peter Rogers has received funding for research from Sugar Nutrition UK, and has provided consultancy services to Coca-Cola Great Britain and received speaker's fees from the International Sweeteners Association." That how I know.
That's a statement to fully disclose their associations. Funding for research can be quite common and isn't usually seen as a reason to completely disregard the findings. I'm curious to know if you can give me a researcher you respect who hasn't received funding for their work or doesn't speak at industry events -- can you share their name?
This is quite different than what you said at first, that the researcher in question was "bought and paid for." What information do you have supporting that conclusion? I'm assuming you know of him burying findings that don't match what he was paid for or even promoting outright false findings from his research. Can you support your claims?5
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