"Common Sense Keto"...cult

KameHameHaaaa
KameHameHaaaa Posts: 837 Member
edited November 25 in Chit-Chat
Seriously though...Is anyone else in the Common Sense Keto group on Facebook? I swear its a cult. When you join, one of the statements you have to agree with is having an opinion is okay so long as you don't state it as fact. But actually, you're not allowed an opinion. One of their admins will jump down your throat and say its their way or the highway. They say not to post studies on anything, but they post their own "Jack approved" studies listed only on their website. I've also found the creator really is just trying to scam people, if you check out his "nutritional coaching" site...

My posts have been deleted for a number of reasons
1) Suggesting Mississippi roast (ranch packets are not allowed in CSK)
2) Talking about sugar free chewing gum
3) Telling an admin she shouldn't be so rude to people. She deleted my comments, the comments of the girl she was being rude to, and only her own rude comments (left her other comments) to tweak the conversation and cover her own butt
4) Suggesting stevia to someone

The list could go on and they're becoming the laughing stock of keto groups on Facebook.

Anyway yeah just a rant. If you enjoy things like stevia, cucumbers, and eating more than just butter for every meal, avoid them like the plague because they are a cancer in the keto society and probably one of the reasons why people get scared and quit.

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  • mph323
    mph323 Posts: 3,565 Member
    What's the debate?
  • KameHameHaaaa
    KameHameHaaaa Posts: 837 Member
    mph323 wrote: »
    What's the debate?

    Was hoping a CSK member was in here to strike one up with me ;) can't debate in the actual group because you get banned.
  • zyxst
    zyxst Posts: 9,149 Member
    newmeadow wrote: »
    Tell us more about these ranch packets and why they upset people.

    It's probably the buttermilk.
  • mph323
    mph323 Posts: 3,565 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    jfan175 wrote: »
    Well, the group has 104,774 members, so it must not be that bad. I don't think there's ever been a cult with that many members....so we can probably rule out that it's a cult. Your deleted posts sound like they were more confrontational or provocative than simply voicing an opinion. I don't know what the creator is selling, so you might be on to something there. I'm not a member of that group and I don't do keto.

    IIRC, the Unification Church's largest single mass marriage ceremony involved 40,000 or so people, with all those people's marital partners chosen for them by the church, and that wasn't the church's only mass marriage. . . so you might just be wrong about the scope of cults.

    OMG I remember that! Blast from the past!
  • SmittyFree
    SmittyFree Posts: 2 Member
    Read your thread and it seems you just don’t like ketogenic diets that focus on anti-inflammatory foods, which is what CSK does. Nuts (except macadamia, pecans and walnuts), seeds (small amounts of sesame oil is ok), legumes, fruits and vegetables that are actually fruit (seeds inside; exception is avocados) all contain an inflammatory compound called lectin. The CSK diet works toward minimizing dietary lectin as well as maintaining fat intake of 80-90%. Carbs at 20g and moderate protein at every meal.

    Many of us on the CSK diet aren’t necessarily seeking weight loss; we are on it because of the therapeutic effects for auto-immune disorders, brain injuries, PTSD, stroke, metabolic syndrome, hyperinsulinemia, Type 2 diabetes with neuropathy, epilepsy, leaky gut syndrome, IBS, kidney disease, Crones Disease, etc. Article below.

    In my case, my doctor recommended this specific Keto group. You might disagree with how careful the CSK FB admin moderates the group, but group members following the CSK diet greatly appreciate correct and corrected information. Thousands of people benefit from adhering to the CSK diet. You aren’t one of them and that’s ok. You’ll find your way to what works for you. But, your accusations say far more about you than they do about CSK.


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3321471/

  • 100_PROOF_
    100_PROOF_ Posts: 1,168 Member
    Yeah there's definitely some who take their diet of choice too far. They treat it like a religion rather than just food.
    It's very common. It's actually quite sad because misinformation gets spread amongst groups like that and nobody is allowed to counter it. I would look for a different group that fits you better.
  • KindSirPaul
    KindSirPaul Posts: 1 Member
    Agreed.. it is a cult- and also fell prey to the "CSK NAZI" because a recipe I shared called for erythritol. I called the site owner out on some science as well., because his Nazi wasn't bright enough to respond.
  • ferretkingdom
    ferretkingdom Posts: 4 Member
    I'm somehow blocked from the group even though I've never been in it. I'm in plenty of other keto groups, so I must be on the blacklist from having an opinion elsewhere. Lol
  • fsv360
    fsv360 Posts: 1 Member
    Only found this randomly. The group has certainly become extremely restrictive and promotes a very strict regime which is a shame as it used to be more open. So yes, it has gotten near cultish and the inclusion of admins who act like political officers enforcing the party line swung it that way. As for the numbers, a lot will be inactive I imagine, that is the way of most groups I find. As stated, the creator is viewing it as a business so I'll now class it like Scientology in that respect.
  • randrewcook
    randrewcook Posts: 1 Member
    I've found that the ketogenic diet community is a lot like religion; there are different denominations each with their own heresy; etc. I'm a member of the CSK group, and my experience is they are very up front with the group rules and that the purpose of the group is specifically to support people who want to follow the admin's nutritional recommendations; and enforce that pretty consistently. It's said over and over, "Feel free to do whatever you want, you're an adult; we just ask you don't post recommendations contrary to our program. If that's not OK, then this group is not for you." That seems pretty reasonable to me; and keeps down the confusion. I don't follow everything they recommend (for example, I have a little Splenda in my coffee, but I understand the logic behind the no sweetener rule). It's completely OK for them to admin their group as they wish, just like it's completely OK to say, "You are not for me. Bye!", and they won't condemn you for it.

    I'll just say, having actually been a member of an actual cult for 20 years, there is definitely a difference. I think it makes sense to be a member to one keto group and if it's working and supporting what you are doing, that's great! If it stops working, look at another with a different perspective. I tend to float between Dr. Berg and CSK and I've lost almost 70 lbs over the past 12 months and feel great.

    Just like in religion, the desire to be "right" can cause conflicts. The interactions I've seen go south with admins usually starts with someone being reminded not to post contrary recommendations, they get mad and then an argument about "who's the most right" ensues. "Who's the most right" doesn't matter, it's their group, and their rules, and anyone can leave at any time without any bad feelings if they want to.
  • alevera45andasaddle
    alevera45andasaddle Posts: 1 Member
    I was in this group up until a few minutes ago. I was kicked out completely because i said that fasting had health benefits and both keto and fasting could be used together. first one of the admins pounced in and totally attacked my statement in very very rude ways, then when i responded in a reasonable manner i was simply banned before i could further tarnish their pristine dietary religion. these people i must agree are quite nuts. i would steer clear, i am now following doctor berg who supports both fasting and keto because the science works.
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